Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?

[Bulls on Parade]

I don't think you can ever pass on a franchise QB if one is available.

Very hard to define what that is. Didn't we start the franchise out by selecting David Carr with the first overall pick in 2002? And all of us would like to go back in time and select Julius Peppers instead I'm sure. Or even Ed Reed, a young one, that was very very good. Not the washed up version we have now. In most cases, it's best to go with a defensive player or an offensive lineman with a top five pick. Especially if we end up with the first overall pick again. Right now we have the 4th pick.

 

[Corrosion]

I don't think you can ever pass on a franchise QB if one is available.

I am not sold on the fact that any of the QB's in this draft are "Franchise QB's."


Every one of them has their flaws ....

 

[Playoffs]

I am not sold on the fact that any of the QB's in this draft are "Franchise QB's."

Every one of them has their flaws ....

I'm not either, but will we suck bad enough next year to go for one on the 2015 guys? Can you wait, or do we strike when we can? Would you trade away our 2014 #1 for an extra 2015 #1 hoping to package them in 2015 draft? Can we be that long-sighted?

 

[Exascor]

I am not sold on the fact that any of the QB's in this draft are "Franchise QB's."


Every one of them has their flaws ....

100% agree. There seem to be a bunch of solid QBs and no sure things. We have a QB that is on pace for over 4000 yards and 37 TDs with no INTs yet. Did I mention that is against NFL defenses - not college?

If Luck, Griffin, Stafford, Newton or Ryan were coming out then maybe. This draft's QB class reminds me of 2003 or maybe 2011 without Newton.

 

[badboy]

I high first round pick on a LT yes. On a RT no!!!!

What Steel says. Matthews can switch sides in a blink. Who do we replace Brown with if he gets injured? Harris...no. I like players that play more than one position and will show in my next mock.

 

[Exascor]

I'm not either, but will we suck bad enough next year to go for one on the 2015 guys? Can you wait, or do we strike when we can? Would you trade away our 2014 #1 for an extra 2015 #1 hoping to package them in 2015 draft? Can we be that long-sighted?

So you would have us take a QB in the first round that isn't a franchise QB just because we have a high pick?

 

[b0ng]

I am not sold on the fact that any of the QB's in this draft are "Franchise QB's."


Every one of them has their flaws ....

We're still in the middle of the CFB season and have yet to have championship games and bowl games. Then the combine, then pro days, then free agency then comes the draft. Opinions will change.

 

[Playoffs]

So you would have us take a QB in the first round that isn't a franchise QB just because we have a high pick?

I don't see an Andrew Luck slam dunk or an RG3 pre-knee.

But I've been wrong, before... I didn't think Tom Brady was a a franchise QB.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

We're still in the middle of the CFB season and have yet to have championship games and bowl games. Then the combine, then pro days, then free agency then comes the draft. Opinions will change.

The one opinion that will not change: Case Keenum is very capable of running the current offensive system the Texans run. If we're not going to make any major coaching changes then why try to upgrade what isn't broken? I like the idea of drafting a quarterback but in round three or four, certainly not with a potential top five pick in the first round.

I would like to see what Case Keenum can do behind a good offensive line and a strong running game to compliment his play-action passes. We lost the last three games by a combined seven points, two of them on the road, against three playoff caliber teams. Case Keenum could very easily be 3-0 and not 0-3, and he's probably undefeated if we had a healthy Arian Foster and Brian Cushing.

We have to go defense in round one (Clowney, Barr, Mosley) or offensive line. Jake Matthews will probably live up to his father's shoes and become a great one for a long time. I don't mind either of those four guys. And like I said we have the 4th overall pick right now so we can definitely land one of those guys as I type this.

 

[powda]

There seem to be a bunch of solid QBs and no sure things.

No such thing as a sure thing among rookie qb's. I used to think so and sam Bradford was the last qb I thought was a sure thing. Wrong.

Before case I thought it was absolutley imperative that we draft a qb. Now I wanna see more. One thing is sure, no qb is a sure thing without a solid ol and strong supporting cast. Gimme a legit coaching staff with a pedigree for qb grooming. Gimme a legit ol, THEN give me a young qb we throw to the wolves.

Trouble is, a new coaching staff will want to live and die by their own handpicked qb. The remainder of the season is likely just an audition for case elsewhere.

 

[Corrosion]

We're still in the middle of the CFB season and have yet to have championship games and bowl games. Then the combine, then pro days, then free agency then comes the draft. Opinions will change.

I realize that .... but from what I've seen on the field , none of these guy's are an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning coming out of college.

I think each one has flaws , and I'm ... all over the place in evaluation of them on a week to week basis just as they are in their performances.

The most consistent performer of them to me is .... Manziel but how does his game translate to an NFL field ?? I don't think I've seen him take a snap from under center all season not to mention his size.

 

[mussop]

I realize that .... but from what I've seen on the field , none of these guy's are an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning coming out of college.

I think each one has flaws , and I'm ... all over the place in evaluation of them on a week to week basis just as they are in their performances.

The most consistent performer of them to me is .... Manziel but how does his game translate to an NFL field ?? I don't think I've seen him take a snap from under center all season not to mention his size.

All I know is every time I watch him I'm stunned at his play making ability. He's Fran Tarkington reborn. He tore up Alabamas defense. That's impressive! They are loaded with nfl talent. Of course it all depends on who the coach is and what type of system they plan on running.

Could you imagine if we brought in art briles and drafted manzel? Pick up a good RT in the second or third and use the rest if the draft on defense.

I think Case has done a really good job considering the circumstances. But in no way am I ready to hand him The reigns to the team just yet. I know he's been in tough situations but he's had opportunities to lead us to wins and hasn't come through. A true franchise QB will find a way to win those games. He has 7 more games to show he can be the guy. I'm pulling for him but I'm being very cautious of fools gold. The QB position is too important. I don't want a really good QB. I want a great QB.

Obviously the draft is a gamble but you have to bet to win. Until Case or someone steps up and shows he can carry the team on his back to victories then we should be doing what ever it takes to keep bringing in talent at that position.

 

[WolverineFan]

I realize that .... but from what I've seen on the field , none of these guy's are an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning coming out of college.

I think each one has flaws , and I'm ... all over the place in evaluation of them on a week to week basis just as they are in their performances.

The most consistent performer of them to me is .... Manziel but how does his game translate to an NFL field ?? I don't think I've seen him take a snap from under center all season not to mention his size.

I disagree. Bridgewater has completed over 70% of his passes in all but 2 games, he's thrown for 250+ in every game but 1, he's thrown multiple TD's in all but 2 games, and has really only had 1 bad game (by his standards) which was his last game. He's thrown for 2845 yards while completing 71.4% of his passes with 24 TD's and 3 INT's.

He is constantly knocked for his team losing to UCF (who will likely be in the Orange Bowl this year) despite the fact that he was 29/38 for 341 yards and 2 TD's in that game. To me, he's definitely the best NFL prospect this year at QB and is only knocked because of the level of competition he plays. What people fail to realize is that his teammates are that same level of competition. The reason his team is seen as superior to the competition is because of him.

People said the same stuff about Roethlisberger, but when a guy has the tools he has them. I don't see any of the Case fanboys complaining about his college competition....

 

[Corrosion]

I disagree. Bridgewater has completed over 70% of his passes in all but 2 games, he's thrown for 250+ in every game but 1, he's thrown multiple TD's in all but 2 games, and has really only had 1 bad game (by his standards) which was his last game. He's thrown for 2845 yards while completing 71.4% of his passes with 24 TD's and 3 INT's.

He is constantly knocked for his team losing to UCF (who will likely be in the Orange Bowl this year) despite the fact that he was 29/38 for 341 yards and 2 TD's in that game. To me, he's definitely the best NFL prospect this year at QB and is only knocked because of the level of competition he plays. What people fail to realize is that his teammates are that same level of competition. The reason his team is seen as superior to the competition is because of him.

People said the same stuff about Roethlisberger, but when a guy has the tools he has them. I don't see any of the Case fanboys complaining about his college competition....

I didn't mention Bridgewater mainly because I suspect he'll go #1 overall .... and you are right , about the only knock on him is the level of competition he's playing against. He has all the tools ... but he's nowhere near the caliber of prospect that Luck or Peymeaton were coming out.

 

[Corrosion]

All I know is every time I watch him I'm stunned at his play making ability. He's Fran Tarkington reborn. He tore up Alabamas defense. That's impressive! They are loaded with nfl talent. Of course it all depends on who the coach is and what type of system they plan on running.

Could you imagine if we brought in art briles and drafted manzel? Pick up a good RT in the second or third and use the rest if the draft on defense.

I think Case has done a really good job considering the circumstances. But in no way am I ready to hand him The reigns to the team just yet. I know he's been in tough situations but he's had opportunities to lead us to wins and hasn't come through. A true franchise QB will find a way to win those games. He has 7 more games to show he can be the guy. I'm pulling for him but I'm being very cautious of fools gold. The QB position is too important. I don't want a really good QB. I want a great QB.

Obviously the draft is a gamble but you have to bet to win. Until Case or someone steps up and shows he can carry the team on his back to victories then we should be doing what ever it takes to keep bringing in talent at that position.

I'm not ready to hand Case the reins yet either .... yes , he's had opportunities to win games and come up short but .... his OL has probably been just as big a part of those failures as anything he's done.


I'm still in a wait and see mode with the QB position ... I am not in that same mode when it comes to RT or LG , tho I believe Quessenberry can come in and fill the LG spot adequately next season. There is no NFL quality RT on this roster.

 

[infantrycak]

I think Case has done a really good job considering the circumstances. But in no way am I ready to hand him The reigns to the team just yet. I know he's been in tough situations but he's had opportunities to lead us to wins and hasn't come through. A true franchise QB will find a way to win those games.

Just thought I would look into this for perspective. Didn't want to argue over true franchise QB and so went with Hall of Fame + 2 we know will go.

Staubach 3 W
Aikman 3 L
Elway 2 W, 1 L - LOL, in the 2 wins he had 10 completions total, 1 in his 1st game.
Kelly 1 W, 2 L
Favre 1 W, 2 L
Manning 3 L
Marino 3 L
Brady 2 W, 1 L
Bradshaw 3 L
Young 1 W, 2 L
Montana 3 L

Total 10 W, 23 L

Draw from that what you will.

 

[WolverineFan]

I didn't mention Bridgewater mainly because I suspect he'll go #1 overall .... and you are right , about the only knock on him is the level of competition he's playing against. He has all the tools ... but he's nowhere near the caliber of prospect that Luck or Peymeaton were coming out.

No, he's not. But then again, those are the only two guys of that caliber that have come out in the last two decades. You're in for a long wait if you're waiting for that guy to come out again before you pull the trigger (although Winston has potential).

 

[Texian]

I'm not sure Bridgewater goes #1, he is a bit frail and his deep ball has a tendency to float. Several of his long passes would've been INTs in the NFL. Reminds me of Landry Jones arm.

Manziel has quickest hands, feet and release of any college QB playing this year. Has taken several snaps under center this year. Is running much less this year but still likely to rush for 1000. His mistakes don't phase him, he bounces right back with a TD. Ask yourself this question, with game on the line and you need a game winning drive, in whose hands do you want the football? For me, hands down, no question, it's Johnny Football.

I didn't see anything from Bama vs LSU that changed my thinking on why A. J. McCarron should be a 1st RD draft pick. In fact the LSU game just reinforced my opinion that A.J. will go in round 1.

 

[Trap_Star]

I'm not sure Bridgewater goes #1, he is a bit frail and his deep ball has a tendency to float. Several of his long passes would've been INTs in the NFL. Reminds me of Landry Jones arm.

Manziel has quickest hands, feet and release of any college QB playing this year. Has taken several snaps under center this year. Is running much less this year but still likely to rush for 1000. His mistakes don't phase him, he bounces right back with a TD. Ask yourself this question, with game on the line and you need a game winning drive, in whose hands do you want the football? For me, hands down, no question, it's Johnny Football.

I didn't see anything from Bama vs LSU that changed my thinking on why A. J. McCarron should be a 1st RD draft pick. In fact the LSU game just reinforced my opinion that A.J. will go in round 1.

What scares me about AJ is the he is rarely touched in the pocket. He has all day to throw with that o-line and it's not going to be that way in the pro's. the intangibles are there for sure though.

 

[Texian]

What scares me about AJ is the he is rarely touched in the pocket. He has all day to throw with that o-line and it's not going to be that way in the pro's. the intangibles are there for sure though.

He had some pressure from LSU, was even sacked but for the most he did a good job avoiding the pressure. He has a presence.

 

[steelbtexan]

What scares me about AJ is the he is rarely touched in the pocket. He has all day to throw with that o-line and it's not going to be that way in the pro's. the intangibles are there for sure though.

Everybody knows my thoughts on McCarron, Bridgewater may be more talented, but McCarron has a very good chance to become the best QB in this draft. Tall/accurate/leader with above avg arm strength (as good as Bridgewater.) Performs well on the big stage.

Luck had a great OL and and people didn't use that as a knock on him come draft day. I guess the Bama/Saban hate runs deep.

 

[mussop]

Just thought I would look into this for perspective. Didn't want to argue over true franchise QB and so went with Hall of Fame + 2 we know will go.

Staubach 3 W
Aikman 3 L
Elway 2 W, 1 L - LOL, in the 2 wins he had 10 completions total, 1 in his 1st game.
Kelly 1 W, 2 L
Favre 1 W, 2 L
Manning 3 L
Marino 3 L
Brady 2 W, 1 L
Bradshaw 3 L
Young 1 W, 2 L
Montana 3 L

Total 10 W, 23 L

Draw from that what you will.

I can't really draw anything from that. Well except maybe he that it's just to soon to tell. Which is why I said he has seven more games to prove it or we need to take a gamble on in the draft. Of course even 10 games doesn't mean he can't eventually become a great QB. What I'm saying is if he hast proved it without a doubt we need to go after someone else. That doesn't mean give up on Case. We might not have this chance again for a long time. Hopefully.

 

[mussop]

I disagree. Bridgewater has completed over 70% of his passes in all but 2 games, he's thrown for 250+ in every game but 1, he's thrown multiple TD's in all but 2 games, and has really only had 1 bad game (by his standards) which was his last game. He's thrown for 2845 yards while completing 71.4% of his passes with 24 TD's and 3 INT's.

He is constantly knocked for his team losing to UCF (who will likely be in the Orange Bowl this year) despite the fact that he was 29/38 for 341 yards and 2 TD's in that game. To me, he's definitely the best NFL prospect this year at QB and is only knocked because of the level of competition he plays. What people fail to realize is that his teammates are that same level of competition. The reason his team is seen as superior to the competition is because of him.

People said the same stuff about Roethlisberger, but when a guy has the tools he has them. I don't see any of the Case fanboys complaining about his college competition....

Just curious, what do you think he does better than manzel? And remember manzel IS going against the best competition in college football.

 

[Corrosion]

Just curious, what do you think he does better than manzel? And remember manzel IS going against the best completion in college football.

Honestly .... he does nothing better other than grow to the prototypical NFL QB height - I wont say size cause he don't have much sand in his pants .... where as Manziel is 5'11" / 6 ft and considered undersized.

 

[Trap_Star]

Everybody knows my thoughts on McCarron, Bridgewater may be more talented, but McCarron has a very good chance to become the best QB in this draft. Tall/accurate/leader with above avg arm strength (as good as Bridgewater.) Performs well on the big stage.

Luck had a great OL and and people didn't use that as a knock on him come draft day. I guess the Bama/Saban hate runs deep.

My statement has nothing to do with Bama/Saban so idk why you threw that in there. Luck did have a great o-line, but Luck is also a strong, very athletic QB he could run over defenders. With that said, I never said he isn't worth a first round pick. His skills and intangibles are there like i stated on my initial post. My only fear is that he won't find it as easy in the pro's like he has at Bama in the pocket. Can he overcome that? Of course.

 

[WolverineFan]

Just curious, what do you think he does better than manzel? And remember manzel IS going against the best competition in college football.

This is somewhat of a myth. If by that you mean Alabama, then yes that is the best competition. But the rest of the SEC is not that great defensively outside of Florida and LSU. There are some good defenses, but the SEC carries that reputation because of the 2-3 top tier teams and media hype. The Big Ten has 4 teams in the top 11 in total defense and the ACC has 3. The SEC has 2. Yet you never hear the hype about those defenses. Anyway....

Bridgewater takes better care of the ball than Manziel. Manziel has great improvisation, but running around and chucking the ball up to 1 WR and 3 DB's rarely works in the NFL. I've also seen a lot of QB's in this system put up insane numbers and never do a thing in the NFL. Manziel will have to learn a pro system with pro reads and progressions. That takes time. The NFL doesn't have any one-read then scramble offenses. Bridgewater has a huge head-up on him as far as experience in a pro-style offense goes.

Also, the majority of Manziel's effectiveness is based on his play out of the pocket. Just look at what NFL teams have done to Robert Griffin this year. They keep him in the pocket and make him beat them with his arm. They are dedicated to limiting his dual-threat ability. He's also been injured 4-5 times in a season and a half. Manziel is tough, but if he runs around like that in the NFL he won't last 3 seasons. His improv style won't be nearly that effective in the NFL and he won't have a guy like Mike Evans to bail him out. Evans is one of the best players in college football IMO. He is just an outright mismatch on 99% of the DB's he goes up against.

Bridgewater stands in the pocket and destroys everyone he plays against. He ripped apart a top 5 defense last year in Florida and rookie Raven Safety Matt Elam said he was the best QB they faced all season (UF played against Manziel, Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray, and E.J. Manuel). He is mobile enough to escape pressure and keep plays alive, but he's mobile like Andrew Luck not Robert Griffin. He's a natural pocket passer despite his athleticism.

 

[bhsman]

Throw in another vote for Manziel, but that's me.

He had some pressure from LSU, was even sacked but for the most he did a good job avoiding the pressure. He has a presence.

As much as it pains me to say it, LSU's sole sack came from an unblocked defender on a naked boot. McCarron also attempted only four passes greater than 20 yards but completed none of them; in addition, the only third down they completed (when put in that position) that was longer than 3rd-and-4 was a 3rd-and-8 with a penalty.

I think McCarron gets way too much credit for not losing games on a team that plays safe football and is stacked with talent. Maybe he'll turn into Tom Brady but nothing tells me he should be taken higher than, say, Murray.

Another interesting stat from Saturday's game? Lamin Barrow, an LSU linebacker, had 11 tackles during the game but only three were solo. Mosley had 12, of which 7 were solo.

 

[Corrosion]

Throw in another vote for Manziel, but that's me.



As much as it pains me to say it, LSU's sole sack came from an unblocked defender on a naked boot. McCarron also attempted only four passes greater than 20 yards but completed none of them; in addition, the only third down they completed (when put in that position) that was longer than 3rd-and-4 was a 3rd-and-8 with a penalty.

Sounds like a guy who's currently sitting on the Texans bench ....

 

[bhsman]

Yeah, except one is a veteran with an injury history and the other is still in college.

 

[htownfan32]

This is somewhat of a myth. If by that you mean Alabama, then yes that is the best competition. But the rest of the SEC is not that great defensively outside of Florida and LSU. There are some good defenses, but the SEC carries that reputation because of the 2-3 top tier teams and media hype. The Big Ten has 4 teams in the top 11 in total defense and the ACC has 3. The SEC has 2. Yet you never hear the hype about those defenses. Anyway....

Bridgewater takes better care of the ball than Manziel. Manziel has great improvisation, but running around and chucking the ball up to 1 WR and 3 DB's rarely works in the NFL. I've also seen a lot of QB's in this system put up insane numbers and never do a thing in the NFL. Manziel will have to learn a pro system with pro reads and progressions. That takes time. The NFL doesn't have any one-read then scramble offenses. Bridgewater has a huge head-up on him as far as experience in a pro-style offense goes.

Also, the majority of Manziel's effectiveness is based on his play out of the pocket. Just look at what NFL teams have done to Robert Griffin this year. They keep him in the pocket and make him beat them with his arm. They are dedicated to limiting his dual-threat ability. He's also been injured 4-5 times in a season and a half. Manziel is tough, but if he runs around like that in the NFL he won't last 3 seasons. His improv style won't be nearly that effective in the NFL and he won't have a guy like Mike Evans to bail him out. Evans is one of the best players in college football IMO. He is just an outright mismatch on 99% of the DB's he goes up against.

Bridgewater stands in the pocket and destroys everyone he plays against. He ripped apart a top 5 defense last year in Florida and rookie Raven Safety Matt Elam said he was the best QB they faced all season (UF played against Manziel, Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray, and E.J. Manuel). He is mobile enough to escape pressure and keep plays alive, but he's mobile like Andrew Luck not Robert Griffin. He's a natural pocket passer despite his athleticism.

Bold 1: You're right, but I'm willing to excuse that for the same reason that Matt Stafford chucks it up in double coverage to Megatron. If you know your guy or no one is going to come up with it, you go for it.

Bold 2: Fully agree.

Bold 3: Manziel's been throwing some lasers of late. He's good in the pocket and can extend plays. He also is much smarter about contact and only really goes for the hits on the goal line, but he needs to not do that in the NFL. He's not Cam Newton.

Bold 4: Yep, and if it's a habit in the pros it's going to make him bad. However, Manziel has been getting his other WRs involved too. Malcome Kennedy is talented but Manziel makes no names like Travis Labhart look good. Derel Walker catches his fair share of TDs but I would like to say that three interceptions are direct results of Derel Walker's hands tipping the balls (i.e. not on Manziel).


The problem with drafting Manziel is that it's basically a gigantic boom/bust gamble, and you don't want to do that if you're the Texans, I think.

 

[WolverineFan]

Bold 1: You're right, but I'm willing to excuse that for the same reason that Matt Stafford chucks it up in double coverage to Megatron. If you know your guy or no one is going to come up with it, you go for it.

Bold 2: Fully agree.

Bold 3: Manziel's been throwing some lasers of late. He's good in the pocket and can extend plays. He also is much smarter about contact and only really goes for the hits on the goal line, but he needs to not do that in the NFL. He's not Cam Newton.

Bold 4: Yep, and if it's a habit in the pros it's going to make him bad. However, Manziel has been getting his other WRs involved too. Malcome Kennedy is talented but Manziel makes no names like Travis Labhart look good. Derel Walker catches his fair share of TDs but I would like to say that three interceptions are direct results of Derel Walker's hands tipping the balls (i.e. not on Manziel).


The problem with drafting Manziel is that it's basically a gigantic boom/bust gamble, and you don't want to do that if you're the Texans, I think.

That's a good point about Stafford and Megatron. I tend to forgive Stafford because Johnson is just that much better than NFL DB's and I hold it against Manziel because I think about him developing bad habits. That may be a double standard on my part.

Manziel also has a pretty good arm that he doesn't get credit for. My point about the injury thing is I distinctly remember him initiating contact against Auburn and hurting his shoulder. That was such a dumb play by him considering. I see him slide only when he absolutely has to and he doesn't always avoid contact. The guys in the NFL are a lot faster and hit a lot harder.

Manziel has seemingly made no name WR's better. I refuse to give him credit for Evans but I'm pretty sure sure Labhart is a walk-on. I will say though, I think the offensive system has a lot to do with it. I won't say all, but I won't say Manziel is the only reason either.

And I agree. He is the definition of boom/bust.

 

[aussie_texan]

personally i stack the O-line and give keenum every chance possible then if he doesn't succeed go after a winston, hundley or Hogan next year.
My opinion is that you have to give keenum a good shot at becoming that QB we want.

 

[bhsman]

Honestly, if we enjoy watching Keenum throw it up for Andre/Hopkins to grab, I don't see why Manziel doing the same with Evans is so egregious.

 

[aussie_texan]

I haven't seen a mock that has Mosley outside of the top 15 .... You'd have to be real careful not to move back too far and miss him if he's your guy.

I wouldn't be against doing so if you could get enough compensation from trading down a few spots to move back into the first round and get one of the elite tackle prospects.

I prefer Florida St OT Cameron Erving .... but many mocks have him going top 15 also.

I don't think you can get Mosley & an elite tackle prospect , its pick your poison & the talent at the tackle spots really drops off after that first ~4-5 guys.

as i said depending where we draft. if its in the top 5 i would be happy to trade back around 9-12 and pick Mosley.

I exactly in the same position has you. I really want both mosley and the elite tackle.
The only way we get is i think trading foster for a 1st round pick. that way you pick matthews first and use foster to get mosley. However this is not madden so its not going to happen.

 

[WolverineFan]

as i said depending where we draft. if its in the top 5 i would be happy to trade back around 9-12 and pick Mosley.

I exactly in the same position has you. I really want both mosley and the elite tackle.
The only way we get is i think trading foster for a 1st round pick. that way you pick matthews first and use foster to get mosley. However this is not madden so its not going to happen.

Agree. Nobody is giving up a high pick for Foster. He has a laundry list of injuries and a big contract. Not to mention he's had way too much work in recent years and is probably on the downside of his prime as a RB.

Would love to have Mosley. He's a freakin' beast.

 

[Texian]

Throw in another vote for Manziel, but that's me.



As much as it pains me to say it, LSU's sole sack came from an unblocked defender on a naked boot. McCarron also attempted only four passes greater than 20 yards but completed none of them; in addition, the only third down they completed (when put in that position) that was longer than 3rd-and-4 was a 3rd-and-8 with a penalty.

I think McCarron gets way too much credit for not losing games on a team that plays safe football and is stacked with talent. Maybe he'll turn into Tom Brady but nothing tells me he should be taken higher than, say, Murray.

Another interesting stat from Saturday's game? Lamin Barrow, an LSU linebacker, had 11 tackles during the game but only three were solo. Mosley had 12, of which 7 were solo.

On average teams don't throw deep much more than that. And the decision to go deep is not really McCarron's call. That call is Saban and the OC who are conservative by nature. LSU did bring pressure (more than base) often and Bama's biggest pass plays came as a result of McCarron decsion and playmaking vs LSU's blitz (5 or more).

 

[Rey]

If we get the #3 pick, I think I'd take clowney and stick him at olb.

 

[Rey]

Just felt it. Got the draft bug now. Ready to start looking at these prospects a bit closer.

 

[steelbtexan]

If we get the #3 pick, I think I'd take clowney and stick him at olb.

As much as I want Matthews, the thought of Watt and Clowney rushing the passer for the next decade is very appealing.

 

[Corrosion]

as i said depending where we draft. if its in the top 5 i would be happy to trade back around 9-12 and pick Mosley.

I exactly in the same position has you. I really want both mosley and the elite tackle.
The only way we get is i think trading foster for a 1st round pick. that way you pick matthews first and use foster to get mosley. However this is not madden so its not going to happen.

Foster wouldn't net us a 6th right now I don't think .... big contract & injuries.


BUT pending we end up with a top 5 pick , there is the possibility of getting both a tackle (doubtful its Erving) and Mosley .... depending upon what compensation you get by trading back ~5-7 picks.
If you get a 2nd as compensation , you could easily package that along with your own #2 to get back up in the middle of the first round giving you two selections from ~10-12 and ~12-15.
You might even be able to keep one of those second rounder's and give up a 2nd & 3rd instead , picking somewhere around ~18.


Maybe you end up with Mosley & Antonio Richardson of Tennessee who is very comparable to Erving.

 

[Blake]

Why , so he can get killed behind the likes of Wade Smith and Derek Newton ... ??? Just take a look at the first and last plays the Texans offense ran yesterday for prime examples.

They really missed Foster yesterday too as he's very good at picking up the right guy in blitz situations , Dennis Johnson made multiple blocking errors in the second half.

Why? Because we need a franchise QB. In this league you live and die by the QB and I want the best. As far as Newton and Smith are concerned you can get right tackles and left guards in other rounds or free agency. The same goes for a RB, especially in today's NFL. Franchise signal callers are what its all about. They make the bus go. Just look at what Schaub did to us this season.

The first round is where you have the best shot at getting a franchise QB. That should be pretty apparent.

 

[infantrycak]

The first round is where you have the best shot at getting a franchise QB. That should be pretty apparent.

You don't just play the odds. You make an evaluation of the particular players involved. Seeing the need and forcing a QB pick results in David Carr, Joey Harrington, Blaine Gabbert, etc. If they really believe a guy is a franchise QB then fine, take him.

 

[Texian]

Why? Because we need a franchise QB. In this league you live and die by the QB and I want the best. As far as Newton and Smith are concerned you can get right tackles and left guards in other rounds or free agency. The same goes for a RB, especially in today's NFL. Franchise signal callers are what its all about. They make the bus go. Just look at what Schaub did to us this season.

The first round is where you have the best shot at getting a franchise QB. That should be pretty apparent.

Blake gets it!

This week the Texans 2-7, .555, have the 5th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft; http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

 

[htownfan32]

What happens if we end up with the first pick? Worst case scenario. We are only one game ahead of Tampa and the Jags.

Do you pull the trigger on Teddy Bridgewater or no?

 

[Corrosion]

Why? Because we need a franchise QB. In this league you live and die by the QB and I want the best. As far as Newton and Smith are concerned you can get right tackles and left guards in other rounds or free agency. The same goes for a RB, especially in today's NFL. Franchise signal callers are what its all about. They make the bus go. Just look at what Schaub did to us this season.

The first round is where you have the best shot at getting a franchise QB. That should be pretty apparent.

I'm not against taking a QB - don't get me wrong .... I just don't see any real franchise QB's in this draft. Every one of them is a huge gamble tho some greater than others.


I do want to see Keenum finish the season before we make the decision we have to draft a QB .... he's played pretty damn well so far despite unfavorable conditions - no running game and a sh!t OL.

Also filling those holes at LG & RT via FA .... will cost premium $$$$.


Lets at least get to the end of the season before we finalize our evaluations of the QB spot - its a near complete unknown , those other spots (LG , RT , ILB , NT) aren't.

What happens if we end up with the first pick? Worst case scenario. We are only one game ahead of Tampa and the Jags.

Do you pull the trigger on Teddy Bridgewater or no?

Tough question .... one I wouldn't want to make just yet.

 

[steelbtexan]

Foster wouldn't net us a 6th right now I don't think .... big contract & injuries.


BUT pending we end up with a top 5 pick , there is the possibility of getting both a tackle (doubtful its Erving) and Mosley .... depending upon what compensation you get by trading back ~5-7 picks.
If you get a 2nd as compensation , you could easily package that along with your own #2 to get back up in the middle of the first round giving you two selections from ~10-12 and ~12-15.
You might even be able to keep one of those second rounder's and give up a 2nd & 3rd instead , picking somewhere around ~18.


Maybe you end up with Mosley & Antonio Richardson of Tennessee who is very comparable to Erving.

If they make that trade give me Nix and Erving and Skov later.

Building in the trenches is where this team has been lacking. It's time to build from the inside out and find another nickle CB.

 

[Texian]

What happens if we end up with the first pick? Worst case scenario. We are only one game ahead of Tampa and the Jags.

Do you pull the trigger on Teddy Bridgewater or no?

No, Johnny Football

Actually you hire David Shaw as HC and let him figure it out.

 

[Blake]

You don't just play the odds. You make an evaluation of the particular players involved. Seeing the need and forcing a QB pick results in David Carr, Joey Harrington, Blaine Gabbert, etc.

I agree you dont just play the odds. All the QB's you mention were selected because teams evaluated them and judged their value in the top 10 of their draft class. Gabbert, Carr and Harrington werent the only QBs left on the board. They were judged to be top signal callers and worthy of a top 10 pick.

Obviously if you dont feel that the QB prospect is a top signal caller and have another position player rated higher you can go with that. But with a top 5 pick (and Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley potentially coming out) we would virtually be a lock for a highly rated signal caller. And it wouldnt be out of the question to move up a couple of spots to land your guy.

 

[Blake]

No, Johnny Football

Actually you hire David Shaw as HC and let him figure it out.

No, Mariota. And you are headed in the right direction, but the coach you should be thinking about coaches in Waco Texas.

 

[htownfan32]

No, Mariota. And you are headed in the right direction, but the coach you should be thinking about coaches in Waco Texas.

I'm not sure what you see in what is basically an inferior version of Johnny Manziel.