where are all the haters

[BuffaloglennTX]

It's times like this that I wish we could put an asterisk beside the past three wins.

*3-4

*The three wins came against teams with a combined record of 2-17, and the two wins on those teams was actually by one team (Dolphins). We beat two teams who were 0-7 and 0-6.

LOL. This board feels like a small Texas town where the high school goes winless for seven weeks, then wins a game and the whole town is throwing a parade and "all is well again"...until the team faces a REAL opponent in the next game.

Go ahead and delude yourselves all you want after we plastered a bottom-of-the-barrell team. It's fun to watch the mood swings on here. 7 years of this team has taught me to laugh about the losses and to half-chuckle about the wins.

And by your logic we can also add asterisks for the game in Jax that we lost because of a coin flip in overtime and the Indy game that we were ahead by two scores with four minutes to play, the ball, and a Rosencopter fueled up and ready to fly.

Whhoooooohooooo, three in a row baby! Go Texans.

 

[cuppacoffee]

No complaints from me about yesterday. Loved every second of it. I have been waiting for them to get an opponent on the mat, and then stomp on their throat. I have been waiting to see a killer instinct in this team, and that's what I got. Finally!

Were their nits to pick. Sure. And yes, Richard Smith still sucks. But, folks we just witnessed a 35-6 beatdown, start to finish, where all cylinders were hitting. Why complain?

The Texans in my view have had an almost linear line up all year from Pittsburg right on thru to Cinci. To me it is clear they have turned a corner. Now, is there better things to come around the corner, or is there a mack truck we can't see yet waiting to run us over. I really think the Minn game will be very, very, telling.

I have no doubt that the O will put up some points. But, will the D give up 30+ too, and we lose one like Jax? Or has the D turned some kind of corner to average (up from terribly awful stinkeroo). If this D is just avg or just not embarrasing our O is good enough to carry this team to victories very often.

This team is one coin flip and a Rosencopter away from sitting at 5-2 this morning. I know.... if if's and but's were candy and nuts....but the encouraging thing is that would not be a fluky 5-2. This is clearly the best team they have had, and we are one good offseason and one DC firing away from having a respectable D, and then it's Katy bar the door. I'm going on record now - I expect 2009 to be a huge season for this team.

Must spread rep...hate that message.

I agree with you porky...why would any Texan fan want to throw cold water on this win.

I watched the first half and was a little worried...then visitors came, so I turned off the tv and I missed the second half..

..I could not believe it when I saw the final score.

Next time my visitors will watch the game with me or they can go home.

 

[ChampionTexan]

There seems to be a reality for many folks on this board that every loss counts, and there are no good losses, but wins are only to be savored if they come "The right way" against "The right team".

I am a football fan for a singular and purely self serving reason - because it has the potential to bring me great enjoyment. When those opportunities come along, I try to make the most of them. I don't look at wins like yesterday and start believing we're a shoe-in for the playoffs. I don't look at wins like yesterday and say that our defensive problems are fixed. I don't look at wins like yesterday and believe there aren't weaknesses to be addressed. But I simply won't wait a few weeks and retroactively enjoy myself if they go well, but realize that I was miserable for the past few weeks if they don't.

Every one's entitled to be a fan in their own way. I honestly don't understand why people would take something like sports and football, and make it appear nothing more than a way to gripe and ***** unless and until some arbitrary measure of a teams quality is met or surpassed. Those folks probably don't understand me either.

Oh well, until I find something better, I'll just continue to choose to enjoy the crap out of the wins, and lament the losses while hoping for better the next time.

 

[Texecutioner]

Great win, the game was a lot of fun. Nice to see 3 straight wins. The crazy part is that it should be 5 straight wins. I don't think our defensive problems are over one bit, but I am stoked to see the offense still rolling like it has. If we have to be a team with a great offense to win games, then that is fine by me.

That was a fantastic run by Slaton to end the game the way he shifted back and forth to get inside the end zone. He fought hard to get the TD on that play. It was great to see it from the Bullpen. I still haven't gotten to see it on a highlight though. That was my favorite play of the game.

Now it's time to test some of these better teams and see if the Texans can still keep this winning streak going.

 

[spurstexanstros]

I am stoked... I will celebrate more this week cause I just turned in my thesis...wahoooo

 

[ATXtexanfan]

as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.

 

[Texecutioner]

as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.

Ha ha ha! Good post man! I think everyone is happy about the win. Our best win ever. Yesterday while I was at the game I was telling my buddy that this is the biggest win that we had ever seen at a game where we attended. I didn't realize that it was the biggest win in our history of a franchise.

There are still things to evaluate though and this team is not near perfect. The D still has a lot of problems and I'm still not sold on Kubiak as our head coach, but I like what I'm seeing with this offense a lot. Our running game is moving and Andre is dominating. Walter is a true #2 WR and Daniels is doing his thing. I was always said that if we're not going to have a great team, I would at least like to see a team that has some explosiveness on offense and some big plays. We are getting that and it should continue.

 

[spurstexanstros]

Ha ha ha! Good post man! I think everyone is happy about the win. Our best win ever. Yesterday while I was at the game I was telling my buddy that this is the biggest win that we had ever seen at a game where we attended. I didn't realize that it was the biggest win in our history of a franchise.

There are still things to evaluate though and this team is not near perfect. The D still has a lot of problems and I'm still not sold on Kubiak as our head coach, but I like what I'm seeing with this offense a lot. Our running game is moving and Andre is dominating. Walter is a true #2 WR and Daniels is doing his thing. I was always said that if we're not going to have a great team, I would at least like to see a team that has some explosiveness on offense and some big plays. We are getting that and it should continue.

Next week will be the biggest win in franchise history.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Next week will be the biggest win in franchise history.

Yep ... it's truly exciting to be in this situation . I think we'll see if they've learned how to win because I suspect this game will be close at the end .

 

[BigBull17]

Big whoop? When was the last time we beat three teams in a row? Any three teams? When was the last time we beat a team by 29? Any team? When was the last time our QB had a 144 QB rating in a game against any team?

I'm not saying we need a parade down main street, but big whoop? Big whoop indeed.

Thank you. Im tired of people who sit here and say " winning is all that matters" then say it doesnt count cause "we got lucky", or "its a bad team". You cant have it both ways. This is the NFL, any team can beat you. Anyone. Im tired of people being so negative when we are slowly building Momentum that could lead us to play offs

 

[ATRAIN]

most other teams dont hate the texans IMO we are one of the most well liked fans around the league and team and one of the most ignored

the only fans that really kinda hate us are

Titans
cowboys and saints


thats about it really

its not like we are the philly or boston of the NFL LOL

why do saints hate us?

 

[HOU-TEX]

I lowered and installed the engine and tranny into my sons car Saturday and got it started and somewhat tuned early Sunday. I was absolutely, positively giddy watching the Texans finally come out and punch a team square in the face. It was a major 'pick me up' for me after busting knuckles all weekend.

All that said, it doesn't make me a hater thinking the Texans defense is still a MAJOR question mark. I still think we're soft up the middle and our OLB's aren't all that. I've yet to figure out why Faggins plays such soft coverage. Is it because he's afraid of getting beat deep? Or is it because they were in a zone coverage? Either way, why is he still on the field?

My name is HOU-TEX and I'm NOT a hater.

 

[ATRAIN]

All that said, it doesn't make me a hater thinking the Texans defense is still a MAJOR question mark. I still think we're soft up the middle and our OLB's aren't all that. I've yet to figure out why Faggins plays such soft coverage. Is it because he's afraid of getting beat deep? Or is it because they were in a zone coverage? Either way, why is he still on the field?

You mean other than DeMeco right? We need better OLBs, another pass rusher opposite or Super Mario, better Safeties, and someone other than Reeves on CB. I like our DT's and guys on our def are decent other than Okoye, Williams, Ryans, Dunta, Bennet. Im not a hater for saying this, its obvious. Yes we are playing well right now but we need some work still. WE should be 5-2 right now, but in reality are 3-4. We beat the teams we SHOULD be beating and I think we SHOULD beat the Colts and Jags and SHOULD the 2nd time around. Given that we should win the next 4(maybe 5) games. Minn will be tough. Baltimore is ok at best, im not impressed with them at all. The Colts, we had them and they havent looked good at all this season. The browns........LOL I dont need to say anything there. Jags, we could have beaten as well. Basically what is left of the season I think we can come out with at least 7 to 8 wins which would put us at 10-6 or 11-5. 9-7 could get us in the playoffs, but it might be tough.

 

[Runner]

Thank you. Im tired of people who sit here and say " winning is all that matters" then say it doesnt count cause "we got lucky", or "its a bad team". You cant have it both ways. This is the NFL, any team can beat you. Anyone. Im tired of people being so negative when we are slowly building Momentum that could lead us to play offs

On the flipside, the "we really shoulda beat the (Titans, Jags, Colts) crowd is equally tiresome. I won't address the "early schedule was too hard and unfair" faction here.

The Texans are 3-4. Just about average.

 

[ATRAIN]

On the flipside, the "we really shoulda beat the (Titans, Jags, Colts) crowd is equally tiresome. I won't address the "early schedule was too hard and unfair" faction here.

The Texans are 3-4. Just about average.

Yeah I can see why you say that but you have to admit we HAD the colts. That was almost an impossible loss and it still hurts, thats why fans wont let it go. The Jags I understand more than anything.

 

[Runner]

Yeah I can see why you say that but you have to admit we HAD the colts. That was almost an impossible loss and it still hurts, thats why fans wont let it go. The Jags I understand more than anything.

It turns out the Texans didn't have the Colts. That game bothers me a lot too, but not for the same reasons as most people here. Some fans like to blame Sage completely for that loss, because then they can project how good the team is if they drop Sage's performance. I don't agree with that.

Sage failed dramatically at the end of that game, and those failures occurred over a period of time. However, football is a team sport. Some other player on the team should have done something in that period of time to take Sage out of his dive. Words of encouragement, a joke, a threat to beat the crap out of him in the shower afterwards, something. Instead, they joined the fans in watching a meltdown of epic proportions. There was a lack of on-field leadership from the players that matched Sage's personal mistakes.

Then there is Coach Kubiak. He should have taken some action to try to stem the tide. Sure, Sage knows what he is supposed to do, but sometimes players fold under pressure. There is a thread on another forum about how great Singletary is because he is coaching old school. Maybe Kubiak should have grabbed Sage's face mask and pulled his head out of his butt. Maybe he puts Schaub in and tells him to take care of the ball and just puke between plays. He should have tried something. He is supposed to be the expert on winning and leading this team to greatness. For that five minutes he was just an interested observer. That's our job as fans; he's not paid to stand by and watch a player melt down even if it was "just one game". For all those who absolve Kubiak of any repsonsibility for on-field play during a game, Sage is also Kubiak's hand picked, doesn't-have-to-compete-for-the-job backup.

The thing the Texans haven't proven is that they have the leadership - on the bench or on the field - to win when the going gets tough. Yes, they can do cute dances when beating up on the weak sisters of the league, but those same players were wallflowers when leadership was required to beat a tough team.

Projections based on the easy games are very good for keeping fans morale up, but they are nothing more than hopes for a bright future. The phrase "if they played the elite teams like they did the Bengals..." sounds good, but really is not indicative of the nature of the Texans. When the going gets tough, it seems most of the players wait for someone else to do something. When no one does, they are left to try to "figure out" why they weren't ready to play.

The Texans may have learned their lessons, and dancing in the end zone during a blowout may have triggered the swagger and leadership the team needs. I'm not going to assume it has though; they've spent too long being aimless.

 

[Scooter]

Sage failed dramatically at the end of that game, and those failures occurred over a period of time. However, football is a team sport. Some other player on the team should have done something in that period of time to take Sage out of his dive. Words of encouragement, a joke, a threat to beat the crap out of him in the shower afterwards, something. Instead, they joined the fans in watching a meltdown of epic proportions. There was a lack of on-field leadership from the players that matched Sage's personal mistakes.

Then there is Coach Kubiak. He should have taken some action to try to stem the tide. Sure, Sage knows what he is supposed to do, but sometimes players fold under pressure. There is a thread on another forum about how great Singletary is because he is coaching old school. Maybe Kubiak should have grabbed Sage's face mask and pulled his head out of his butt. Maybe he puts Schaub in and tells him to take care of the ball and just puke between plays. He should have tried something. He is supposed to be the expert on winning and leading this team to greatness. For that five minutes he was just an interested observer. That's our job as fans; he's not paid to stand by and watch a player melt down even if it was "just one game". For all those who absolve Kubiak of any repsonsibility for on-field play during a game, Sage is also Kubiak's hand picked, doesn't-have-to-compete-for-the-job backup.

how do you know that someone didnt? how do you know what works best for sage? maybe going "singletary" on his ass is destructive and everyone patting him on the back would just eat at him. most quarterbacks need a minute to process and let go, and then go do their jobs. see favre, turnover, turnover, turnover ... game winning touchdown. no irate coach belittling him to do his job or sending him to the showers, no personal pep squad to do a little dance for him on the sidelines ... process, let it go, get back on the field.

kubiak wasnt just an "interested observer", he was the coach and playcaller. he called the most simple plays we've got to make sage's job easier and get his confidence back quickly ... handoffs, the basic bootleg into an area without a defender within 10 yards, a 3 yard pass to the sideline, and a simple drop and if noone's open throw it away. sage melted, by himself, with help and without, and outside of running for 4 yards per play against 9 in the box there isnt anything a texan could've done.

 

[Runner]

sage melted, by himself, with help and without, and outside of running for 4 yards per play against 9 in the box there isnt anything a texan could've done.

So, with Sage on the field, a big lead, and just a few minutes left on the clock against a good but not great team it was impossible for anyone on the Texans to do anything to prevent the loss. If everyone in the Texans team and coaching staff is that powerless, they are in worse shape than I think.

Leadership is important, and the Texans have shown their lack in games where Sage didn't get on the field. The Sage incident is just one example; I hope the players and coaches looked at themselves after that game instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, "It was Sage's fault".

I think that the Texans still have to prove that they can win the tough games against good teams; some others take that on faith based on this streak and style points extracted from the losses.

To each his own, but I don't see why we "haters" get called out because we don't the share purity of vision of the Texans future.

 

[Scooter]

put together a staff of vince lombardi, bill walsh, and chuck noll and last season's all-pro roster with me at quarterback ... i betcha i can lose the game in 4 minutes.

everything else i agree with. we arent a team with veteran leadership and having such a young staff doesnt make that any easier (our OC is younger than the players and the head coach hasnt finished 2 and a half seasons yet). that's why guys like alex gibbs and ray rhodes are being brought in to try to assist along the way, same as sherman when getting started. mario, demeco, and dunta are going to be that on defense but with the roster turnover during this building process they cant be everything to everybody. mario working with bulman on the sidelines is a great thing to see. the closest thing we have on offense to that veteran leadership IS sage rosenfels and ephraim salaam - neither of which are seeing the field. schaub just now crossed 1 season as a starter and look at where he is and how the offense is playing FOR him. andre's a monster; davis, anderson, walters, daniels ... a 4th & 7th rounder and a pair of castoffs. we dont have that leadership yet, but we're getting there.

i've not called anyone a hater (it's not part of my vocabulary lol), but i've been fairly adamant against the folks that are gunshy about rooting for the team and seeing the good things that we do accomplish. we've got a lot to prove, and a long ways to go. but unless the team packs up in the next 3 seasons (or starts firing everyone), i dont see how folks can not be optomistic with the direction we're heading - even if we're not getting the tingly results of winning superbowls every season. what kills me is that if we do have a bad game or with schaub's next interception, the forum will be flooded again with bile.

 

[ReliantTexan]

So, with Sage on the field, a big lead, and just a few minutes left on the clock against a good but not great team it was impossible for anyone on the Texans to do anything to prevent the loss. If everyone in the Texans team and coaching staff is that powerless, they are in worse shape than I think.

Leadership is important, and the Texans have shown their lack in games where Sage didn't get on the field. The Sage incident is just one example; I hope the players and coaches looked at themselves after that game instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, "It was Sage's fault".

I think that the Texans still have to prove that they can win the tough games against good teams; some others take that on faith based on this streak and style points extracted from the losses.

To each his own, but I don't see why we "haters" get called out because we don't the share purity of vision of the Texans future.

There is no question that Sage should take full responsibility for that loss. Our defense held Manning in check for most of the game. We were in position to win, all Sage has to do is take care of the ball in that situation we win,so what does he do? That's right, he turns it over on the last 3 possesions!. What do you think this board would be like if Schaub would have had that kind of meltdown? I don't know about you,but I get the funny feeling that none of the haters would be here making excuses for him. They can hardly find a way to find a way to give him props when he plays great, it's like they're disappointed or something.

It just seems that alot of the "haters" always try to have the view which is most detrimental to the team. JMO.

 

[Runner]

how do you know that someone didnt?

I know no one took effective action i.e. exhibited leadership to stop Sage from single-handedly losing the game because his on-field performance lost the game.

I contend that lack of leadership is a problem with the Texans.

put together a staff of vince lombardi, bill walsh, and chuck noll and last season's all-pro roster with me at quarterback ... i betcha i can lose the game in 4 minutes.

Not if you're on the bench. I guess that was an option that was impossible to implement.*

What do you think this board would be like if Schaub would have had that kind of meltdown? I don't know about you,but I get the funny feeling that none of the haters would be here making excuses for him. They can hardly find a way to find a way to give him props when he plays great, it's like they're disappointed or something.

My example wasn't about Schaub/Sage. It was about the entire team.

I indicated that I thought Sage "failed dramatically". That isn't making an excuse for him. Frankly, I don't know what made him such a "must have" by Kubiak to be the hand selected and never-challenged back-up on this team. Focusing on Sage isn't addressing my point about leadership and the lack there of on the Texans, even if he is an easy target.

I also said the Texans as a whole, in that instance and others have failed to exhibit leadership. Call this leadership, the will to win, the guts for players to step up and challenge their teammates, the guts for the coach to pull a QB when he is single-handedly losing the game, whatever. The Texans haven't proven they have it in tough games.

Anyway, that is my case and I've presented my arguments. I don't hate Schuab, love Sage, or only post when the Texans lose. I also don't think the team is play-off bound just because of the three game streak they are on. If they continue to do well, they can prove to me that they are a very good, competitive team - I'll actually change my opinion based on new evidence. I don't evaluate them as such now just because they are in Houston, wear the right colors, "should have" won some games, and beat the Lions and Bengals.


*If Schaub was too sick to play for five minutes, then Kubiak went into a game with one QB. What if Sage had blown a knee in the first quarter? This is an example of the coach not being/not having the team prepared to win the game.

 

[Scooter]

eh, nevermind.

 

[Malloy]

Next time my visitors will watch the game with me or they can go home.

Thats what I tell people when they ask if they can come over. 'Sure you can, but I'll be watching football, but you're welcome to join me, beer is in the fridge'

 

[HOU-TEX]

Thats what I tell people when they ask if they can come over. 'Sure you can, but I'll be watching football, but you're welcome to join me, bring your own beer'

I fixed it for ya Malloy.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I know no one took effective action i.e. exhibited leadership to stop Sage from single-handedly losing the game because his on-field performance lost the game.

I contend that lack of leadership is a problem with the Texans.



Not if you're on the bench. I guess that was an option that was impossible to implement.*



My example wasn't about Schaub/Sage. It was about the entire team.

I indicated that I thought Sage "failed dramatically". That isn't making an excuse for him. Frankly, I don't know what made him such a "must have" by Kubiak to be the hand selected and never-challenged back-up on this team. Focusing on Sage isn't addressing my point about leadership and the lack there of on the Texans, even if he is an easy target.

I also said the Texans as a whole, in that instance and others have failed to exhibit leadership. Call this leadership, the will to win, the guts for players to step up and challenge their teammates, the guts for the coach to pull a QB when he is single-handedly losing the game, whatever. The Texans haven't proven they have it in tough games.

Anyway, that is my case and I've presented my arguments. I don't hate Schuab, love Sage, or only post when the Texans lose. I also don't think the team is play-off bound just because of the three game streak they are on. If they continue to do well, they can prove to me that they are a very good, competitive team - I'll actually change my opinion based on new evidence. I don't evaluate them as such now just because they are in Houston, wear the right colors, "should have" won some games, and beat the Lions and Bengals.


*If Schaub was too sick to play for five minutes, then Kubiak went into a game with one QB. What if Sage had blown a knee in the first quarter? This is an example of the coach not being/not having the team prepared to win the game.

Problem with your whole theory... and some is valid..is that no one is going to pull Sage after the 3 1/2 quarters he had and once the flood gates opened you can't really say "watch your backside at all times when running." You just hope that a player is smart enough to take the gameplan and protect the ball.

 

[Texan_Bill]

I fixed it for ya Malloy.

Cheap bastard.

 

[Malloy]

I fixed it for ya Malloy.

Dude, I'm not like that!

I would appreciate it though

 

[HOU-TEX]

Cheap bastard.

I bring my own beer everywhere I go, so I expect my guest's to do the same.

 

[Malloy]

I bring my own beer everywhere I go, so I expect my guest's to do the same.

You work-place has no alcohol policy ?

 

[HOU-TEX]

You work-place has no alcohol policy ?

It's a family owned business. We most definitely have beer in the fridge. There's also wine for my Bro.

 

[Malloy]

It's a family owned business. We most definitely have beer in the fridge. There's also wine for my Bro.

I dont even know your product, but I already want it!

 

[threetoedpete]

Well I don't know about hater...I'm glad the "C" word has been buried. Look I haven't posted it yet. Others did that for me. A young team with a young o-line learning....expectations should have been marginally turned down So what happens ? They beat two teams who are the bottom feeders of the NFL, and we get "we're running the table" posts . And there is no doubt that that tide would be a whole lot higher if they had went two of three with in the division. With the colts game and the Jags game in our back pockets, the season right now looks totally different. I'll believe the run when they get on the run. They haven't beaten anyone yet. I'll believe we can beat the tacks when they actually do it. I'll believe two of three on the road when they actually do it. If they go into two hostile environments and do what they are capable of doing, they have a shot. But , it's only a shot. Nothing more. Just like the three game winning streak...they've never done it before. Until they do it ...you are what your record says you are. We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.

 

[GP]

Problem with your whole theory... and some is valid..is that no one is going to pull Sage after the 3 1/2 quarters he had and once the flood gates opened you can't really say "watch your backside at all times when running." You just hope that a player is smart enough to take the gameplan and protect the ball.

Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?

 

[dalemurphy]

Well I don't know about hater...I'm glad the "C" word has been buried. Look I haven't posted it yet. Others did that for me. A young team with a young o-line learning....expectations should have been marginally turned down So what happens ? They beat two teams who are the bottom feeders of the NFL, and we get "we're running the table" posts . And there is no doubt that that tide would be a whole lot higher if they had went two of three with in the division. With the colts game and the Jags game in our back pockets, the season right now looks totally different. I'll believe the run when they get on the run. They haven't beaten anyone yet. I'll believe we can beat the tacks when they actually do it. I'll believe two of three on the road when they actually do it. If they go into two hostile environments and do what they are capable of doing, they have a shot. But , it's only a shot. Nothing more. Just like the three game winning streak...they've never done it before. Until they do it ...you are what your record says you are. We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.

I don't think the "running the table" posts are meant to be taken literally. I think it's just a spill over of exuberance and excitement. You and I are on opposite ends of this debate. After rewatching the Indy game, I predicted this team would win 9 games. That was when we were 0-4. My optimism for this team has little to do with beating Detroit and Cincinnati- those victories only confirm what I already saw to be true... and what's that?:

1. Our offense is potent. It's one of the best in the league and it's still improving. For 5 weeks now, nobody we've played has been able to stop it... and that includes some pretty good defenses (Jacksonville, Indy, Miami)

2. We're very healthy- and Dunta is back and now close to 100%.

3. Our LB play is definitely better. Diles makes some mistakes but certainly makes more plays than any OLB we've had.

4. Our secondary isn't bad. It still gives up some plays and isn't scary but the windows are usually quite small now and we've got very good depth there- only to improve with Dunta's return

5. We're not being run on. 5 weeks in a row nobody has successful ran on us, including Jacksonville and Miami.

6. Mario is maybe the best defensive player in the NFL.

7. Our DL rotation has improved and we're playing much better up front situationally- and getting good push and pressure with the front 4.

8. Between a great K, a good P, and an excellent set of returners, we're among the best special teams in the NFL. By the way, Molden may be our best special team player on coverage right now- watch him.

9. The team is learning how to win and gaining confidence. Winning on the road this week is the last big hurdle, i think.


I still think 9 wins... hoping for 10 and believe it's possible!

 

[utahmark]

as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.

that is basically the whole point to this thread. sometimes i read all these people complaining about the team and you wonder if its really even the team that they are complaining about. a lot of posters have no other place to complain about whats really going on so they make these crazy unrealistic expectations for our team and coaches that way when the team doesnt meet these expectations they can come in here and scream for someone's job. guess it makes them feel better.

when things are going good they really dont even care to come in here and talk about the team. no i dont hate these people. just not sure where they are coming from and dont agree with what they say.

 

[utahmark]

Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?

3 in a row is better than we have ever done before. thats why people are happy. you can find all the flaws in our win streak but seem to ignore the postives in our 4 loses(such as we could of easily won two of those and all 4 games came against pretty good teams).

i dont see things in a vacuum. i was talking about the team playing better after the first 3 games. started a whole thread about predicting a 10 and 6 season. people arent laughing quite as hard now.

its not really about seeing things in a vacuum its more of some people see the positives and some see the negatives. its a glass half full/empty type of thing. unfortunatly some people around here are walking around with totally empty glasses. not even a drop of water in that b####.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?

I'm not sure how your post or whatever had ANYTHING to do with the area you quoted me on.

My response was in regards to someone being a leader and stepping up and telling Sage to get his act together or some how for the coaches to stop the bleeding during the Colts game. If you want to constantly be the poopoo platter regarding the wins, be my guest. I'm realistic about the competition but also realistic about how they finally put 4 quarters together..bad or good teams. Afterall, if all it took was bad teams on the schedule 3 games in a row should have happened a long time ago.

On your Carr note, I basically wrote your last paragraph for 2 years and people like you and others just tore into me.

 

[Porky]

I predicted 8-10 wins before the season with a bullseye on 9. When we went 0-4, I didn't post anything here but I remember telling my wife, well there goes my 9 win prediction, and I was thinking more like 5 or 6 tops because they just seemed snake bitten.

Maybe I am drinking too much kool-aid, but I am back in the 9 win camp, and maybe I will be proven right after all. That would take a 6-3 finish. I don't think that is unrealistic given that this offense is on fire, and the D is working it's way toward respectibility with a semi-healthy Dunta and Eugene Wilson providing a much needed boost to the secondary.

 

[drewmar74]

....that way when the team doesnt meet these expectations they can come in here and scream for someone's job. guess it makes them feel better.

Does calling for Petey's head count?

I predicted 8-10 wins before the season with a bullseye on 9. When we went 0-4, I didn't post anything here but I remember telling my wife, well there goes my 9 win prediction, and I was thinking more like 5 or 6 tops because they just seemed snake bitten.

Maybe I am drinking too much kool-aid, but I am back in the 9 win camp, and maybe I will be proven right after all. That would take a 6-3 finish. I don't think that is unrealistic given that this offense is on fire, and the D is working it's way toward respectibility with a semi-healthy Dunta and Eugene Wilson providing a much needed boost to the secondary.

I think this pretty well sums up how I feel about things. I was GREATLY discouraged after Pittsburgh and didn't feel much better after losing to TN again. However, after watching us over the past five weeks, I think that we are improving. We have a ways to go, but we're getting there. I think 8-8 is probably realistic and that would be damn impressive after starting 0-4 (especially given our schedule).

I think that the message board has gotten quiet but I don't necessarily think that it is because the haters have nothing to hate on. I think that, for the most part, our issues are a lot more clear cut than they have been in the past.

• Rosencopter plus Schaub's play has cooled some of the QB controversy.
• We've got a working RB rotation.
• The O-line is playing better but we all know that we have problems with big DT's in a 3-4.
• The secondary is better but still needs to improve.
• OLB is dicey but Diles is improving and Morlon needs to go.
• Bulman > TJ.

Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

In short, I think the board is quiet simply because rehashing a lot of topics like the bullets above would amount to beating a dead horse. Most of the threads that pop up now aren't serving as therapy to the diehard fans who want to vomit after a game. Rather, we're seeing threads about positive press, great performances, and passing the kool-aid.

So, yes, the board is quiet. But I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

 

[SICLICK]

Im starting Vikings D this week on my ff league.

 

[GlassHalfFull]

Does calling for Petey's head count?



I think this pretty well sums up how I feel about things. I was GREATLY discouraged after Pittsburgh and didn't feel much better after losing to TN again. However, after watching us over the past five weeks, I think that we are improving. We have a ways to go, but we're getting there. I think 8-8 is probably realistic and that would be damn impressive after starting 0-4 (especially given our schedule).

I think that the message board has gotten quiet but I don't necessarily think that it is because the haters have nothing to hate on. I think that, for the most part, our issues are a lot more clear cut than they have been in the past.

• Rosencopter plus Schaub's play has cooled some of the QB controversy.
• We've got a working RB rotation.
• The O-line is playing better but we all know that we have problems with big DT's in a 3-4.
• The secondary is better but still needs to improve.
• OLB is dicey but Diles is improving and Morlon needs to go.
• Bulman > TJ.

Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

In short, I think the board is quiet simply because rehashing a lot of topics like the bullets above would amount to beating a dead horse. Most of the threads that pop up now aren't serving as therapy to the diehard fans who want to vomit after a game. Rather, we're seeing threads about positive press, great performances, and passing the kool-aid.

So, yes, the board is quiet. But I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

Good points, and the only area I can disagree with you on is whether it is a bad thing or not. You guys are going to have to step it up starting next week. I go back to work starting Monday and will join the posting from work crowd.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Im starting Vikings D this week on my ff league.

Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

 

[beerlover]

Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

don't worry its just a troll

 

[Specnatz]

Im starting Vikings D this week on my ff league.

Cool so after Schuab, AJ, OD, and Walker light them up you will get negative points. I am sure the people in your league are happy your in it.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Personally, I've been very positive about this team and even starting 0-4 didn't dampen that enthusiasm. I'm not enthusiastic about beating the Lions or the Bengals. They're bad teams. But I am happy with how we beat them.

I'm glad we got down to the Dolphins and had to fight our way back to a victory. We learned something from that. I'm glad we jumped on the Lions and then almost had it slip away from us. We learned something from that. I'm glad we demolished the Bengals worse than they'd been beaten up to that point in the season because it showed we'd learned from the other games. We didn't let them hang around. We didn't relax and let them back into the game.

I think this team has learned a lot the past 5-6 weeks... about winning, about losing, and about what it's capable of doing.

People can find negatives about this team. But if you think there's a single team out there that you can't find negatives about, then you're delusional. Most teams have weaknesses and deficiencies and we definitely have our share. But that doesn't mean we can't go out and beat good teams and go to the playoffs. We just have to go out and win the games. And hopefully, we've learned how to do that.

We'll see.

 

[Polo]

Pencil Neck is a Hater...

 

[Señor Stan]

Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

Here are some of the gems he has posted this season...

We suck again

We suck again. Miami will win the next game.

I told yall plain and simple ...We suck again

Doesnt matter who we put in...were gonna lose

We wont win

Plan of attack: Pray for a miracle.

Its just as I suspected. We suck again. Were easily going 0-5 ...im still watching and wearing my Texans gear. GO TEXANS!!!!

We basically sucked on Sunday

We suck.

I hate to say it but we suck again

 

[Double Barrel]

Man, to see an 0-4 Texans team fire off three wins in a row against any opponents gets me inspired.

I don't own a crystal ball, so I won't bother projecting anything. But, the fact remains, for all this team's weaknesses, they still have heart and did not let 0-4, Ike, or Rosencopter, kill their spirits. They still hit the practice field and they still came out of the bull's belly the past three Sundays ready to play some NFL football.

We can slice and dice this team all day long. Hater or not, I'll let others decide the labels. They certainly give us a lot to chat about.

BUT, at the end of the day, there are still 9 games left in this season, and we could be .500 at the halfway mark after going 0-4. One game at a time, my fellow Texans fans, and let's just enjoy the ride. All that matters is that this season is not lost, and we have a long way to go in a very volatile and potentially week conference.

4 IN A ROW, LET'S GO!!!

 

[Hooston Texan]

8. Between a great K, a good P, and an excellent set of returners, we're among the best special teams in the NFL. By the way, Molden may be our best special team player on coverage right now- watch him.

I'm surprised I haven't seen that mentioned here yet. Molden was an absolute beast on kickoff coverage against the Bungles. That comes a week after he worked so well with Davis in downing the punts inside the 5 in the Lion game. The kid is definitely contributing.

 

[DexmanC]

The Texans DO have onfield leadership. It's mainly when Schaub is under
center. I dare you to point to ONE time Matt Schaub has melted down
in the 2-minute drill to win a game. Matt was booed after two interceptions
in the Dolphins game, yet LEAD HIS TEAM to victory in spite of it.

In Carolina, last season, the Texans were down 14-0 after Schaub screwed
up, yet he LEAD HIS TEAM to defeat the then-good Panthers in their OWN
HOUSE. At least we know Matt doesn't get rattled when the team has
a lead, he becomes iceman and kicks their ass up one side of the field
down the other. Just as Kubes was right about Diles becoming a good player,
just like when coach didn't give up on Jacoby, when there were many-a-preseason-thread about cutting him, coach believes Schaub has the tools
to be a GREAT quarterback. The last three games are looking too much
like right. Most of his passes are right on the MONEY.

Houston, we are ONE STEP from being called "contenders." I'm looking
forward to graduation to that rank on Sunday.