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When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?

When will Connor Barwin turn the corner?

  • By the end of the year he'll show he was worth a second and then some.

    Votes: 23 22.3%

  • Some time next season he'll become Mario Lite.

    Votes: 43 41.7%

  • In a couple of years he'll be a decent pass rusher.

    Votes: 27 26.2%

  • It'll never happen he's Jason Babin 2.0.

    Votes: 10 9.7%
  • Total voters
    103
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Big Lou

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I know Connor Barwin has only been playing Defense for a year and a half now, but as a second round pic he should be contirbuting at some point in the season.


When do you think he'll be worth the 2nd round pick Rick Smith used?
 
I think he has tried but those pesky RTs and LTs are in the way :spin:

seriously I am not sure when he will get it going
 
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He's already been contributing pressure and had a few passes knocked down, I don't think he's struggling as much as the stat sheet suggests
 
Big Lou said:
I know Connor Barwin has only been playing Defense for a year and a half now, but as a second round pic he should be contirbuting at some point in the season.

When do you think he'll be worth the 2nd round pick Rick Smith used?
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Sadly, I don't think he's going to do as well as we'd expect from a 2nd rounder. Had he been a 4th rounder, I'm good with what he does out there. But he took up a 2nd round pick.

Since when is a 2nd rounder used as a situational player, limited on which down-and-distance situations exist during the game? You shouldn't, IMO. Unless he is so super-duper that he's worth the limited time.

Is he worth it? I don't think so.

In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
 
GP said:
In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
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I agree here. 39 year old Zgonina has one less sack this season than Mario for God's sakes. They've improved in stopping the run but they just don't do anything rushing the passer.
 
GP said:
Sadly, I don't think he's going to do as well as we'd expect from a 2nd rounder. Had he been a 4th rounder, I'm good with what he does out there. But he took up a 2nd round pick.

Since when is a 2nd rounder used as a situational player, limited on which down-and-distance situations exist during the game? You shouldn't, IMO. Unless he is so super-duper that he's worth the limited time.

Is he worth it? I don't think so.

In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
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Ummm...... You have some mighty high expectations of draft picks in the NFL overall.. What would u expect of a second rounder? Demeco was an anomaly. Most second round picks don't even see the field on a consistent basis until year two. Do you expect him to get like 8 sacks?
 
We didn't really draft him with the expectation of being a starter. We knew we had Mario and Smith as starters, we just need Barwin to learn from these guys. I would give him at least a couple of years before I would have these high expectations for him. If he gets 2 or 3 sacks this year, doesn't make any glaring mistakes, and gives our starters a chance to catch their breath on the sidelines here and there then I think that would be considered a successful year for him.
 
who knows lwt just been fun with him and move hmm to another Position maybe


Special teams

run a Few two TE sets with him

Fullback to give Leech a rest

hell let him play some OLB
 
GP said:
Sadly, I don't think he's going to do as well as we'd expect from a 2nd rounder. Had he been a 4th rounder, I'm good with what he does out there. But he took up a 2nd round pick.

Since when is a 2nd rounder used as a situational player, limited on which down-and-distance situations exist during the game? You shouldn't, IMO. Unless he is so super-duper that he's worth the limited time.

Is he worth it? I don't think so.

In fact, I'm not too high on ANY of our d-line players right now.
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Wrong perspective! You're still thinking like an expansion franchise... Pittsburgh Steelers usually don't start their first or second round picks for at least one season, often those guys don't even see the field except on special teams. New England is the same way. Here are a few examples, off the top of my head:

Troy Polamalu
B. Meriweather
L.Timmons
Woodley
L. Sweed

there's a few off the top of my head.

Drafting for immediate contribution is short-sighted. If the Texans were confident Barwin would become a great DE, then they shouldn't avoid him simply because he may take 1-2 seasons to develop into a good one.
 
Looked like he was providing some pressure yesterday.

He is contributing by the way. It may not be a lot but he isn't exactly playing a lot is he? Now with SF 21 down (clearly they knew) they starting slinging the ball he should've been in on 2nds and maybe a few 1st downs pinning his ears back to get to the QB. He also gives Frank Bush the ability to throw in some zone blitzes to confuse....somebody.
 
dalemurphy said:
Wrong perspective! You're still thinking like an expansion franchise... Pittsburgh Steelers usually don't start their first or second round picks for at least one season, often those guys don't even see the field except on special teams. New England is the same way. Here are a few examples, off the top of my head:

Troy Polamalu
B. Meriweather
L.Timmons
Woodley
L. Sweed

there's a few off the top of my head.

Drafting for immediate contribution is short-sighted. If the Texans were confident Barwin would become a great DE, then they shouldn't avoid him simply because he may take 1-2 seasons to develop into a good one.
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I expect 1st and 2nd rounders to play immediately, and to do very well.

This pick, where it was made and upon whom it was made, was a reach IMO.
 
Barwin will be fine, there is always room for an athletic pass rushing specialist. I expect him to get better, just as the defensive unit shows steady improvement. Get us a freaking Safety!
 
The negativity surrounding this guy is suffocatingly stupid. Some expectations around here need some serious reeling in. I'm as optomistic as anyone (I think I put him down for 7 sacks on a poll) but if the best outcome possible isn't what happened please, don't just freak out instead. He plays more than some would think, contributes when he does and added something the team didn't have. For a 2nd round pick that's dynamite. No, it's not a nuclear bomb but we drafted that guy in the 1st!

Get real. 2nd round picks don't start on good teams. They contribute. Who is starting from this 2nd round that we could've had? Laraunitis is the only one I can think of and he was gone way before the texans pick.
 
swtbound07 said:
It is for a highly drafted pass rush only specialist?
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No, it is not.

The kid puts pressure on QBs. He's also got his eyes on the ball. Swatted down a couple of passes (if not more). He's off to a promising start and I'm pretty happy with it.
 
NitroHonda said:
No, it is not.

The kid puts pressure on QBs. He's also got his eyes on the ball. Swatted down a couple of passes (if not more). He's off to a promising start and I'm pretty happy with it.
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we will agree to disagree. He's been damn near invisible for 7 games.
 
NitroHonda said:
I think Barwin's doing great! You guys are nuts. Sacks aren't the only thing one looks at.
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What he said.

swtbound07 said:
It is for a highly drafted pass rush only specialist?
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No it isn't. Affecting the passing game is what counts. Sometimes that is sacks. Mario isn't getting tons of those either, but both he and Barwin are consistently making the QB move, making him dump the ball, throw on the move, etc. That is affecting the passing game. The Texans are now middle of the league on passer rating against them. That's a big improvement.
 
For me the pick was for potential that Barwin may grow into. It is not the pick I would have made but I understand what Simithiac wanted. Anything we get this season is gravy and I do expect he will do well as we go thru the season. I selected #2. We do need a FS.
 
I want to say that Barwin is better utilized on artificial Turf rather than Real Grass. His speed is outstanding, and can better be utilized where he has better footing. We have yet to play a game with artificial turf. I am hoping that the INDY game he will turn some heads.
 
2-3 years. needs more reps. Calais Campbell is blowing up for Arizona but during his rookie season (08) only showed flashes which is what Barwin is doing now. give him & Kollar more time to work things out :shades:
 
TimeKiller said:
The negativity surrounding this guy is suffocatingly stupid. Some expectations around here need some serious reeling in. I'm as optomistic as anyone (I think I put him down for 7 sacks on a poll) but if the best outcome possible isn't what happened please, don't just freak out instead. He plays more than some would think, contributes when he does and added something the team didn't have. For a 2nd round pick that's dynamite. No, it's not a nuclear bomb but we drafted that guy in the 1st!

Get real. 2nd round picks don't start on good teams. They contribute. Who is starting from this 2nd round that we could've had? Laraunitis is the only one I can think of and he was gone way before the texans pick.
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You want to know the player who has the most suffocatingly stupid critics?

Jacoby Jones.

He scores TDs in special teams AND as a receiver, and there is a legion of posters on here who kill him every time he bobbles a ball.

Jacoby should get a break, when compared to his impact on our team vs. Barwin.

In Barwin, all I see is a small guy who doesn't have good enough d-linemen to help him do what he was drafted to do: Speed through gaps or around edges. If we had bruising DTs, him and Mario would be competing for most sacks every game.

Until then, the guy is not being as effective as he was drafted to be.

It was a misplaced draft pick, for what we have on the d-line. Versus the mighty 49ers, our d-line couldn't hardly push the line of scrimmage back on pass plays. That win was really a lucky win, IMO.

I won't reserve my disdain just for Barwin. The whole d-line is playing pathetic. Maybe we've shut down the run. Holding Gore down is good. But is the price that's paid is that we don't knock the QB down anymore?

(Sigh)

Just tired of trying to be positive about this d-line. I've given up.
 
GP said:
You want to know the player who has the most suffocatingly stupid critics?

Jacoby Jones.

He scores TDs in special teams AND as a receiver, and there is a legion of posters on here who kill him every time he bobbles a ball.

Jacoby should get a break, when compared to his impact on our team vs. Barwin.

In Barwin, all I see is a small guy who doesn't have good enough d-linemen to help him do what he was drafted to do: Speed through gaps or around edges. If we had bruising DTs, him and Mario would be competing for most sacks every game.

Until then, the guy is not being as effective as he was drafted to be.

It was a misplaced draft pick, for what we have on the d-line. Versus the mighty 49ers, our d-line couldn't hardly push the line of scrimmage back on pass plays. That win was really a lucky win, IMO.

I won't reserve my disdain just for Barwin. The whole d-line is playing pathetic. Maybe we've shut down the run. Holding Gore down is good. But is the price that's paid is that we don't knock the QB down anymore?

(Sigh)

Just tired of trying to be positive about this d-line. I've given up.
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Don't give up. This time next week we will be 5-3 and talking Super Bowl!:ant:
 
Not counting the Niners game, we have a combination of 90 QB sacks/hurries/hits through 6 games (ave. 15) as compared with 191 in 16 games (ave. 11.93) last year.

Mario and Cody have battled injuries.
And Barwin needs time.

But, yes, I expect more from Antonio Smith (about 10-15% more in outputs.)
 
76Texan said:
Not counting the Niners game, we have a combination of 90 QB sacks/hurries/hits through 6 games (ave. 15) as compared with 191 in 16 games (ave. 11.93) last year.

Mario and Cody have battled injuries.
And Barwin needs time.

But, yes, I expect more from Antonio Smith (about 10-15% more in outputs.)
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Thank you. That is a gigantic difference and folks judging the pass rush on sacks alone are being ignorant.
 
swtbound07 said:
we will agree to disagree. He's been damn near invisible for 7 games.
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I agree with you Barwin was a reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhh.

I wonder if Glenn Cofee or Shaun Greene could have gotten that one yard we needed in two games. As I and SWT said on draft day we had other needs to be addressed with the second round pick. I felt RBs was one of them especially if Slaton hit the sophomore wall (and he has had issues) or got injured.


Barwin did have the one sack...I guess he is tied with Zgonina in the sack department. Was a second round pick worth one sack in 7 games? IMO ....no
 
spurstexanstros said:
I agree with you Barwin was a reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhh.

I wonder if Glenn Cofee or Shaun Greene could have gotten that one yard we needed in two games. As I and SWT said on draft day we had other needs to be addressed with the second round pick. I felt RBs was one of them especially if Slaton hit the sophomore wall (and he has had issues) or got injured.


Barwin did have the one sack...I guess he is tied with Zgonina in the sack department. Was a second round pick worth one sack in 7 games? IMO ....no
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If you pro-rate the number of plays he participated in, Barwin's production is only slightly below Okoye's level.
 
badboy said:
I have to admit it is higher than I thought. Now if Smith will kick it into higher gear.
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It's not so strange!
You're right about us still not having enough pressure, because we sucked last year in this department.

I expect/hope that our guys will become more efficient as they play together longer.
 
Jacoby is in his 3rd year, only now coming around to the player we saw flashes of his first preseason. With PLENTY of gut shattering moments in between. He earned his criticism and while I think we're all happy to see him improve some deficiencies and produce on the field he has to know that the expectation now is for him to take another step.

I guess I can't make you like Barwin but it seems like your criticisms of him are built on sand.
 
spurstexanstros said:
I agree with you Barwin was a reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhh.
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So Barwin was a reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhh but taking either of two RB's the NFL collectively decided were 3rd round talent in the mid 2nd wouldn't have been a reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhh? Ummm, ok.
 
infantrycak said:
Affecting the passing game is what counts. Sometimes that is sacks. Mario isn't getting tons of those either, but both he and Barwin are consistently making the QB move, making him dump the ball, throw on the move, etc. That is affecting the passing game. The Texans are now middle of the league on passer rating against them. That's a big improvement.
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I do not understand why everyone is harping on the Texans pass rush. While they may not be racking up the sack stats, there is no question in my mind that they are getting consistent pressure on the opposing quarterback. How many times do you find yourself coming out of your seat saying "oooooh oh oh get 'em Mariooooo oh ahh gahhhhh" only to see the quarterback barely get the pass off or scramble out of the pocket for safety? Speaking for myself, ALL THE TIME.

The defense is much improved over last year's, and I think the sacks will soon start to come in bunches.
 
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I do not understand why everyone is harping on the Texans pass rush. While they may not be racking up the sack stats, there is no question in my mind that they are getting consistent pressure on the opposing quarterback. How many times do you find yourself coming out of your seat saying "oooooh oh oh get 'em Mariooooo oh ahh gahhhhh" only to see the quarterback barely get the pass off or scramble out of the pocket for safety? Speaking for myself, ALL THE TIME.

The defense is much improved over last year's, and I think the sacks will soon start to come in bunches.
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Bringing more men to the LOS helped (which we did.)
The good thing is we're not burned too much lately by doing that, unlike last year!

(But who knows, things can change in a hurry in the NFL) LOL!
 
Also, our secondary is still average at best. They are improving but are still definately not among the best in the league. This is HUGE when it comes to the sack totals, because the opposing QB's have a lot easier time getting rid of the ball sooner if somone is open, instead of looking down 2 or 3 options and not being able to find a target.
 
TexCanada said:
Also, our secondary is still average at best. They are improving but are still definately not among the best in the league. This is HUGE when it comes to the sack totals, because the opposing QB's have a lot easier time getting rid of the ball sooner if somone is open, instead of looking down 2 or 3 options and not being able to find a target.
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I think we've battled three pretty good teams in Jacksonville (2nd half which is where it all started to come together), Arizona, and Cincinnati. We're mainly recovering from our horrendous NFL worst defensive start to the season. I don't know the numbers but it sure seems like the Houston Texans have probably the NFL's best defense since that 2nd half verses the Jaguars. I'm feeling pretty good about our defense right now. We're gelling pretty good.

Bring on Buffalo in the cold.
 
NitroHonda said:
I think we've battled three pretty good teams in Jacksonville (2nd half which is where it all started to come together), Arizona, and Cincinnati. We're mainly recovering from our horrendous NFL worst defensive start to the season. I don't know the numbers but it sure seems like the Houston Texans have probably the NFL's best defense since that 2nd half verses the Jaguars. I'm feeling pretty good about our defense right now. We're gelling pretty good.

Bring on Buffalo in the cold.
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I agree, I'm just saying that a lot goes into getting a sack. It is just as much about the execution as the defense as a whole, as it is a personel effort from a player. Like you said, we are starting to gel, and I think the sack numbers will rise as we continue to do so.
 
TexCanada said:
I agree, I'm just saying that a lot goes into getting a sack. It is just as much about the execution as the defense as a whole, as it is a personel effort from a player. Like you said, we are starting to gel, and I think the sack numbers will rise as we continue to do so.
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Yeah but you're saying that our secondary is average at best. It's really not what I've seen over the last four games. Arizona was a beaut to watch. Especially after seeing them rack on the passing yards after our game. Interceptions are great but so are three and outs. I'll take a steady dose of three and outs over an interception here and there.

I'm not saying that we have a great defensive line nor a great secondary. I'm saying we've got a defensive unit that's working extremely well... to the likes of... the best in the NFL since that second half. Personal gaudy stats be damned.
 
infantrycak said:
Thank you. That is a gigantic difference and folks judging the pass rush on sacks alone are being ignorant.
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Sacks? I'd be happy with touching the QB once in awhile.

A glancing blow. A shove. Something that resembles contact.

49ers beat themselves. Cincy, to a degree, beat themselves. We don't scare any team's opposing o-line and/or QB. Teams will figure out that the way to beat us is through the air. The Cardinals game (1st half) and the 9ers game (second half) is the blueprint to beat us.

We clamped down on the run. What o-coord is going to blow us up for 59 points in the coming weeks? Colts, for starters. The Bills will be our toughest test since the Jets. Road game, two good RBs who catch out of the backfield really well, and a QB who has T.O. and Lee Evans. And nothing to lose.
 
I'm not reading every post so if I repeat something oh well .

Connor Barwin is a smart , athletic guy with a nonstop motor . To me , those guys very seldom fail .
 
According to GP, Anthony Thomas (RB) was a great pick. After all, he was offensive rookie of the year. Who cares what happened to his career after that. Everyone knows that you grade 1st and 2nd round picks based on what they do as rookies!
 
GP thinks Mike Vick was a pretty good draft pick but Carson Palmer was a bad pick because he sat behind John Kitna his rookie season while Vick shared snaps with Chandler.

Leftwich= good pick
Rick Mirer= good pick

Drew Brees= Bad pick!

this is all according to GP!
 
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