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What's with the Carr bashing...

Kaiser Toro said:
They kept us in the game with rookies, journeyman and a lack of sheer talent. No one has made excuses for them because they give us effort and have showed improvement all over the place. As far as AJ and Carr are concerned, in my opinion, we are limiting AJ with Carr behind center.
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OK, if were going to get into a lack of talent contest of defense vs offense, we have more cap invested in the D than the O. We have the #1 & #33 current draft picks in the D along with the most highly compensated current year FA.
We have 3 rookie starters on the O, but only one first day guy. And if you want to say AJ would do better with Roethlisberger, well I think Carr would do better with Hines Ward, who rarely drops balls while AJ is Mr. Butterfingers all too often.
You want journeyman - Salaam is playing the most important position on the
whole offense, after QB, and he's a guy who bounced around the league a
lot more than most.
 
nunusguy said:
OK, if were going to get into a lack of talent contest of defense vs offense, we have more cap invested in the D than the O. We have the #1 & #33 current draft picks in the D along with the most highly compensated current year FA.
We have 3 rookie starters on the O, but only one first day guy. And if you want to say AJ would do better with Roethlisberger, well I think Carr would do better with Hines Ward, who rarely drops balls while AJ is Mr. Butterfingers all too often.
You want journeyman - Salaam is playing the most important position on the
whole offense, after QB, and he's a guy who bounced around the league a
lot more than most.
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Did you even to bother research before you typed that drivel? We have more invested in AJ, Carr and Pitts then our whole starting defense as it was yesterday. Only one rookie who is a starter that was drafted on the first day? What does that matter, they start in the NFL or they don't.

Roethlisberger and Ward comparisions work nicely in la la land, but let's discuss Carr's performance over the last five years. What has he improved upon and how has it had a positive effect on the offense?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Carr's performance over the last five years.
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I would say that Carr's performance showed progression over the first 3
years, though it looked somewhat dubious towards the end of the 3rd year -
its hard for me to shake the memories of the 2004 finale against the Browns.
Last year was a definte regression of Carr's NFL career, while this year has been a turnaround of last year, with the exception of a very miserable performance in Nashville. I know I was very disappointed and disgusted in Carr's performance in the Titans game, and was thoughrouly bashing him as were most after that game, all which Carr roundly deserved.
Hopefully the Titans game was an aberation in what I would call new found progress under Kubiak, but I don't think we can make that judgement befor year end. In the meantime I'm certainly not ready to say that Kubiak's presence is making for a renaissance in David Carr's NFL career, but I'm hopful.
 
nunusguy said:
I would say that Carr's performance showed progression over the first 3
years, though it looked somewhat dubious towards the end of the 3rd year -
its hard for me to shake the memories of the 2004 finale against the Browns.
Last year was a definte regression of Carr's NFL career, while this year has been a turnaround of last year, with the exception of a very miserable performance in Nashville. I know I was very disappointed and disgusted in Carr's performance in the Titans game, and was thoughrouly bashing him as were most after that game, all which Carr roundly deserved.
Hopefully the Titans game was an aberation in what I would call new found progress under Kubiak, but I don't think we can make that judgement befor year end. In the meantime I'm certainly not ready to say that Kubiak's presence is making for a renaissance in David Carr's NFL career, but I'm hopful.
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I am in agreement with your take and was hoping that this was the game where the passing offense made some progress as we had seen from the defense. What we saw was the playbook opening up for the run which helped immensely. It would have been nice to leverage that in the passing game.
 
Carr is clearly playing better than at anytime in his career. Kubes has made a difference imo. What disheartens me is that is still not nearly good enough. Looking at the big picture, Carr seems to be at his best when it matters least, and is at his worst when it matters the most. His football intelligence is below avg for the position, his pocket presence and feel for the rush are still below avg, he seems to have trouble spotting open guys in the deeper routes, settling often for the underneath trash, his sidearm delivery is disconcerting, etc. All imo of course.

I guess we will wait another few years to see if he will develop. That seems to be the direction the team is taking. By then, Eric Moulds will be in the old folks home, and AJ will be playing dominos on the front porch, but what the heck. He was a 1st pick. We like his potential, so let's keep playing him and see what we have right?:yawn:

Oh and yes, I would take Romo at his price over Carr at his price any day of the week. He did something in one start that Carr hasn't managed to do in his entire career - beat the Colts. And his line is bad too, so don't even go there.
 
nunusguy said:
That was an excellent pass by Carr and AJ basically had the ball, but the Bills
DB took it away from him.
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The pass was in front of AJ into coverage. He streched for it, both he and Clemenes, who is the same size as AJ, came down with it. AJ hit the ground first, Clemens fell on top of him. It makes senes that Clemens would have the ball when they got up because he was on top, so both the impact with the ground and Clemenes arm's were forcing the ball out of AJ's grasp. It was a mixture of an overthrown ball (becuase of the protection, Carr was leveled on the throw) and some bad luck.
 
I still love AJ, but truth be told, an elite receiver makes that catch, he didn't...

With that said, AJ is young and will learn to make that play...I can't wait.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I still love AJ, but truth be told, an elite receiver makes that catch, he didn't...

With that said, AJ is young and will learn to make that play...I can't wait.
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AJ is young? Please don't talk up players in the NFL as being young. It's a young man's league. How old were TJ Houshmandzadeh and Chad Johnson when they started making plays every week? You make your bread the first 5 years if you are lucky enough to last that long. Carr is an old man by NFL standards. When did Brady get drafted? DelHomme? Rivers? Manning? on and on and on and on.
 
kingh99 said:
AJ is young? Please don't talk up players in the NFL as being young. It's a young man's league. How old were TJ Houshmandzadeh and Chad Johnson when they started making plays every week? You make your bread the first 5 years if you are lucky enough to last that long. Carr is an old man by NFL standards. When did Brady get drafted? DelHomme? Rivers? Manning? on and on and on and on.
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First, AJ is only in his 4th year so he still has time to "make his bread" and second, how old was Jerry Rice (his last two years not withstanding) when he retired? Steve Largent was productive his entire career, Keenan McCardell, etc. and so many more. My point here is AJ will "get it" and he won't allow balls to be wrestled away from him. I personally can not wait for that, because he will be something special to watch. I am not trying to make excuses or sugar coat anything. He did not make the play - he should have. And he will.....

Sorry dude, but I disagree about Carr being old by QB standards. Quarterbacks are more likely to succeed in their early 30's. Link to a graph, (albeit from 2001, you can still see the trend). http://www.econ.washington.edu/user/startz/482_F2002/482_F02_papers/Hadreas.pdf

The only one of the 'younger' QB's that has a play-off and SB success is Brady (obviously DelHomme from the same SB)... The list of SB winning QB's looks a little like this:
Montana, Young, Elway, Pluntkett, etc. - but guys a lot older than Carr.

Obviously there are always exceptions to the rule, and as you mention Peyton and Brady are that, but then again, they are both exceptional in a lot of ways.
 
kingh99 said:
Carr threw 22 completions in a row? I was at the game and extremely underwhelmed with his feat of high QB ranking daring do.

He doesn't make plays. Not that he wouldn't if he could, but he can't. Ok he can but not to the level needed to be a leader and a winner in the NFL. He threw 22 dinks and dunks in a row and I looked to my kid and said this reminded me of that #@$^%@#$@$%Y$ run and shoot without the rocket armed Warren Moon.

Here's the bad news.

Gary Kubiak is a good coach but I find that unless it's John Elway under the snap, this controlled roll/running QB style is awful. I want a team that keeps the QB in the pocket throwing darts and bombs downfield. I want the 92-95 Cowboys. I want the Patriots. I want a team that doesn't have as it's centerpiece an undersized, weak armed QB running for his life. Wake me when the Dave Krieg era is over in Houston. Actually that was an insult to Dave. Krieg.
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Great Post!
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Because we are the few, the brave, to watch this disaster.

Just watch video of Carr the last five years. Tell me something he is doing differently or improved upon and how it has had a successful impact on the team's performance. Don't bother, because it ain't there. People who do not improve via behavior, extra skill sets and/or results in the business world do not scale (promotions, raises, extensions). This game is not tied to him, his behavior (play on the field) and his results are who he is and not what we pay for.
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1. over the last few games his feet have settled down a bit
2. he will stand in the pocket and trust his blocking
3. he has started to step up in the pocket instead of trying to run around his protection.

Carr has improved alot this season and I expect him to continue to improve.
If he doesn't improve significantly then we should let him go. Up to this point in the season i'm happy with his and the teams overall progress
 
mganz said:
1. over the last few games his feet have settled down a bit
2. he will stand in the pocket and trust his blocking
3. he has started to step up in the pocket instead of trying to run around his protection.

Carr has improved alot this season and I expect him to continue to improve.
If he doesn't improve significantly then we should let him go. Up to this point in the season i'm happy with his and the teams overall progress
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I agree to a degree on all three, but there is no upside for the Texans, due to this improvement. This was my feeling and fear when we extended him as the team has invested a lot of money in and around Carr. Total Cost of Ownership goes up, but Return on Investment is flat lining and is a real fiscal issue for McNair.
 
1. AJ being out fought for the ball on the int.
2. the fumble by Jameel,
3. the two loooong TDs given up by our db's
4. the lack of pressure on Losman
5. the great gain of field possession our punter gained for us



Don't you mean that Carr was out fought for the ball, Carr fumbled the ball, Carr was burned twice for 83 yd. bombs, He didn't put any pressure on Losman, and He ( Carr ) could not make the big play on defense with 9 sec. to go in the game. Yup, it was all Carr's fault that we lost yesterday. You Carr bashers are a freakin joke!!
 
Koolbrz said:
1. AJ being out fought for the ball on the int.
2. the fumble by Jameel,
3. the two loooong TDs given up by our db's
4. the lack of pressure on Losman
5. the great gain of field possession our punter gained for us



Don't you mean that Carr was out fought for the ball, Carr fumbled the ball, Carr was burned twice for 83 yd. bombs, He didn't put any pressure on Losman, and He ( Carr ) could not make the big play on defense with 9 sec. to go in the game. Yup, it was all Carr's fault that we lost yesterday. You Carr bashers are a freakin joke!!
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Let's see, Carr and AJ hook up for an easy 2 yard bread and butter completion that is essential to the West Coast Offense to seal the game and the team overcomes for a victory! That is the point of a highly compensated #1 draft pick.

Instead, we are still with all this finger pointing like a bunch of little kids.

I don't think anyone is stating Carr is the worst QB in the league. I think the issue is that he doesn't bring enough to the table for the team to win games, particuraly win when mistakes are made or things go poorly, regardless of who made them or for whatever reason.

He is a highly paid QB and drafted #1 and that throw should have been done in his sleep. End of story. The other issues you brought up (except for some of the AJ stuff) was beyond his control, you are correct there. But, considering what he is paid and the offense he is supposed to run, that play should have been completed considering how long he has worked with Kubiak. They probably have been working on that play since day one.

See the big picture instead of this "Carr Bashing Mantra". Carr and AJ screwed up and missed a golden opportunity to save a victory despite poor play by a lot of players throughout the game.
 
Koolbrz said:
1. AJ being out fought for the ball on the int.
2. the fumble by Jameel,
3. the two loooong TDs given up by our db's
4. the lack of pressure on Losman
5. the great gain of field possession our punter gained for us



Don't you mean that Carr was out fought for the ball, Carr fumbled the ball, Carr was burned twice for 83 yd. bombs, He didn't put any pressure on Losman, and He ( Carr ) could not make the big play on defense with 9 sec. to go in the game. Yup, it was all Carr's fault that we lost yesterday. You Carr bashers are a freakin joke!!
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Hardly, the joke is people actually clicking their heels together and saying, "there is no QB like Carr. There is no QB like Carr." This is the silliest arguement, because pro Carr people have nothing to promote other than hope. The data and the behavior is there for all to view and it points to failure as he does not make this team better. Carr is not the answer for the Texans and the Texans may not be the answer for Carr. Let's move on and get this thing going.
 
texan279 said:
When Faggins and Cook basically single handedly cost us the game yesterday? I've seen about 20 threads bashing Carr, 1 about Cook, and 0 about Faggins. The one INT Carr threw was AJ's fault not Carr's, AJ had the ball taken out of his hands, again. I've read that Carr is not a leader blah blah blah because he couldn't bring us back, yet we were down 14-0 in the 1st quarter but we came back and took the lead and then our defense lets Buffalo march down the field and score a game winning TD in the last minute and a half. Faggins gets burned not once, but twice in the 1st quarter for 2 80+ yard TD's yet people come here to bash Carr. :confused:
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Yeah, and it's as if he didn't even tie the NFL record for consecutive completions, too. Where's the congratulations for THAT?

Face it: People just flat out HATE him. Why else would you not at least be able to say "Good job, David, on tying a record"?

Certain people here do NOT want to ever cheer for the guy. Even when they say "I don't hate him" it's all baloney. They do hate him. They want him gone. They want him ran out on a rail like Homer Stokes. They just HATE him.

We have a TEAM MEMBER who tied an NFL RECORD and yet he's not worthy enough to get even a "Good job" for it around here.

David Carr is not the singular source of woes for this team.

He's got plenty of help by an entire cast of guys who are not doing anything when their chance at the ball comes their way. Peyton Manning is said to command that kind of respect: When Dallas Clark gets a chance at a ball, he has to do something special with it or he knows Peyton might go to other options if he doesn't focus and use his chance wisely.

What we have here, IMO, is a guy in Cook who doesn't understand this philosophy. He is careless with the ball. Period.

I thought he picked up some great blocks. But maybe he can do JUST that. I'd be happy with that/ But I'm telling you the truth when I say that I gasp and clutch my chest when I see him make a reception...because I know that a player is going for the ball. The word is out: Hit Cook and he coughs up the ball. Even Cook, IMO, knows this. He's beaten already.

But alas, David Carr should have helped Cook to hold onto that ball. Dang you David! DANG YOU I SAY!!!!
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Yeah, and it's as if he didn't even tie the NFL record for consecutive completions, too. Where's the congratulations for THAT?

Face it: People just flat out HATE him. Why else would you not at least be able to say "Good job, David, on tying a record"?

Certain people here do NOT want to ever cheer for the guy. Even when they say "I don't hate him" it's all baloney. They do hate him. They want him gone. They want him ran out on a rail like Homer Stokes. They just HATE him.

We have a TEAM MEMBER who tied an NFL RECORD and yet he's not worthy enough to get even a "Good job" for it around here.

David Carr is not the singular source of woes for this team.

He's got plenty of help by an entire cast of guys who are not doing anything when their chance at the ball comes their way. Peyton Manning is said to command that kind of respect: When Dallas Clark gets a chance at a ball, he has to do something special with it or he knows Peyton might go to other options if he doesn't focus and use his chance wisely.

What we have here, IMO, is a guy in Cook who doesn't understand this philosophy. He is careless with the ball. Period.

I thought he picked up some great blocks. But maybe he can do JUST that. I'd be happy with that/ But I'm telling you the truth when I say that I gasp and clutch my chest when I see him make a reception...because I know that a player is going for the ball. The word is out: Hit Cook and he coughs up the ball. Even Cook, IMO, knows this. He's beaten already.

But alas, David Carr should have helped Cook to hold onto that ball. Dang you David! DANG YOU I SAY!!!!
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The Redskins benched Mark Brunell. Maybe our franchise will make the mature move as well and not discount 4.5 expensive years of average QB'ing. You really have no basis to stand up for this guy other than love. The Texans and the future of the franchise continue to be at risk with this guy siphoning off much needed cap space to help in other areas.
 
Vinny said:
Are you still living in the capless 70's? If your superstar level salaried players aren't producing superstar quality play your team will struggle....there isn't an unlimited cap so you have to settle for lesser players at other positions since your money is tied up. The key to winning is for your big ticket players to play like big ticket players. When that doesn't happen...you get the Texans.
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OK

Who wanted to play here but we couldn't afford to sign them?
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Yeah, and it's as if he didn't even tie the NFL record for consecutive completions, too. Where's the congratulations for THAT?

Face it: People just flat out HATE him. Why else would you not at least be able to say "Good job, David, on tying a record"?

Certain people here do NOT want to ever cheer for the guy. Even when they say "I don't hate him" it's all baloney. They do hate him. They want him gone. They want him ran out on a rail like Homer Stokes. They just HATE him.

We have a TEAM MEMBER who tied an NFL RECORD and yet he's not worthy enough to get even a "Good job" for it around here.

David Carr is not the singular source of woes for this team.

He's got plenty of help by an entire cast of guys who are not doing anything when their chance at the ball comes their way. Peyton Manning is said to command that kind of respect: When Dallas Clark gets a chance at a ball, he has to do something special with it or he knows Peyton might go to other options if he doesn't focus and use his chance wisely.

What we have here, IMO, is a guy in Cook who doesn't understand this philosophy. He is careless with the ball. Period.

I thought he picked up some great blocks. But maybe he can do JUST that. I'd be happy with that/ But I'm telling you the truth when I say that I gasp and clutch my chest when I see him make a reception...because I know that a player is going for the ball. The word is out: Hit Cook and he coughs up the ball. Even Cook, IMO, knows this. He's beaten already.

But alas, David Carr should have helped Cook to hold onto that ball. Dang you David! DANG YOU I SAY!!!!
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I am not trying to make a joke here, but if completing 22 consecutive passes was such a great accomplishment and really so important, why couldn't he make one for 2 yards on a simple play to his favorite receiver with the game on the line? They probably have been running since day one when Kubiak arrived.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
The Redskins benched Mark Brunell. Maybe our franchise will make the mature move as well and not discount 4.5 expensive years of average QB'ing. You really have no basis to stand up for this guy other than love. The Texans and the future of the franchise continue to be at risk with this guy siphoning off much needed cap space to help in other areas.
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I believe we're under the cap. We're not at the top, but we're doing fairly well.

Kubiak is not spending the cap money. Isn't that correct?

Hasn't this team ALWAYS been under the cap? I believe it has. I believe McNair is primarily responsible for making sure we stay under the cap. And we even had a guy (Payne, IIRC) who settled for less money and we're STILL under the cap.

Saying that Carr takes up all our cap is not realisitic IMO. Show me where this team is in the red and has zero cap room. I just don't see it from what I remember about things I've read.

Here's a post from way back in Feb 2006 where a member posts a lot of data on our cap: http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=16789

Looking at that, and then vs. other teams' cap numbers....I'd say we're not suffering from David's salary.

But maybe I'm wrong. It happened one time back in 1987.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I believe we're under the cap. We're not at the top, but we're doing fairly well.

Kubiak is not spending the cap money. Isn't that correct?

Hasn't this team ALWAYS been under the cap? I believe it has. I believe McNair is primarily responsible for making sure we stay under the cap. And we even had a guy (Payne, IIRC) who settled for less money and we're STILL under the cap.

Saying that Carr takes up all our cap is not realisitic IMO. Show me where this team is in the red and has zero cap room. I just don't see it from what I remember about things I've read.

Here's a post from way back in Feb 2006 where a member posts a lot of data on our cap: http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=16789

Looking at that, and then vs. other teams' cap numbers....I'd say we're not suffering from David's salary.

But maybe I'm wrong. It happened one time back in 1987.
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Managing the cap means not maxing it out ever. If you do, you get the Tennessee Titans a couple of years ago. Look at the Patriots and how they manage the cap.

It is what you spend per position that is relevant. Carr is a very well compensated QB, and therefore should be providing similar play as his well compensated counterparts.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I believe we're under the cap. We're not at the top, but we're doing fairly well.

Kubiak is not spending the cap money. Isn't that correct?

Hasn't this team ALWAYS been under the cap? I believe it has. I believe McNair is primarily responsible for making sure we stay under the cap. And we even had a guy (Payne, IIRC) who settled for less money and we're STILL under the cap.

Saying that Carr takes up all our cap is not realisitic IMO. Show me where this team is in the red and has zero cap room. I just don't see it from what I remember about things I've read.

Here's a post from way back in Feb 2006 where a member posts a lot of data on our cap: http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=16789

Looking at that, and then vs. other teams' cap numbers....I'd say we're not suffering from David's salary.

But maybe I'm wrong. It happened one time back in 1987.
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The best thing about Mario and Demeco is that they are the future of the franchise. However, whether I like it or not, the perception is that this is still DC's team. Whether that is the thinking of free agents and their respective agents is unknown, but it does have an impact on free agency on who the team is being built around. Once we make the change at QB you will start to see some names in FA that are serious about coming to Houston in my opinion. We are beyond hope when it comes to Carr, we need proof that his performance makes this team better. Being liked and contributing to wins are two different measures - the former being Homecoming King and the latter being an NFL QB. And Homecoming Kings should not be commanding 7.2 million.

I obviously have science on my side.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Managing the cap means not maxing it out ever. If you do, you get the Tennessee Titans a couple of years ago. Look at the Patriots and how they manage the cap.

It is what you spend per position that is relevant. Carr is a very well compensated QB, and therefore should be providing similar play as his well compensated counterparts.
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David Carr, again, is not the singular source of our woes.

Brady has had tons of better players placed around him.

And even HE stinks it up a few times. They didn't look so hot early in the season.

To say that David is not earning his money is a lie.

He'd get snatched up within 30 seconds of being cut loose from our team.

He is not the singular source of our woes.

We've got lots of blame togo around. We've got four years of residual side effects going on. I am angry at Kubiak, and yet also feel sorry for him at the same time with what he has had to sort through around here.

Must've been like picking corn out of you-know-what.

David's not holding us back.

IMO, we've got personnel management who are playing it way too safe with our cap savings.

Every year when I see how much we've got under the cap...and I don't see us go after a premiere guy out on the market...I rock back in my chair and pull some hair out.

Capers and Co. were overpaying sub-par talent like Todd Wade and force-feeding us that those guys were high-end guys. Yeah, right.

It still amazes me that 6 out of 7 head coach candidates say Carr is the man...that Kubiak says Carr can do it...that he just set a record for consecutive completions...that his mistakes are waaaaaayyyyy down....that he's managing the field and taking it onto his shoulders to get big first downs in the clutch (on his own, barreling over a defender)...that he's hitting people on hitches, clants, crossing patterns, deep passes to AJ, clutch conversions to Walter, etc....and yet he's overpaid.

I think he's overpaid, too. Overpaid for being on a team where punters punt 30 yards, kickers miss chip-shots, FBs catch-and-fumble balls in inoportune times, get balls taken away from them TWICE this year, etc., etc.

There's a team effort here. David is not the singular source of our woes.

But he's the QB. He's got good looks. He makes a good whipping post, I guess.

Still bothers me that nobody else is getting chewed out on the sidelines or told that "If you do x,y,or z one more time, you're getting benched."

I think Kubiak probably respects David more than he does anybody else on the team. He might not say it, but I think he does. I think he knows that the guy was almost ruined by four years of complete ineptitude and neglect.

(sigh)

Ol' Stinky David Carr. We'd be in the playoffs if Sage were leading us....
 
hollywood_texan said:
He is a highly paid QB and drafted #1 and that throw should have been done in his sleep. End of story.
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Exactly. And AJ is a first round pick, too. That play should have been automatic if this team ever plans on going anywhere with both of these guys as our 'superstars'.

The fact of the matter is that these two players did not lose the game (that was a team meltdown), but they sure as heck did not seal the deal and win it, either (which that play would have done). And that is the difference between 'superstar' players and guys that make a lot of money because of their potential. Right now we hoped to have the former, but it's turning out to be the latter at this point. We can only hope that Kubiak can coach them to the next level.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
It still amazes me that 6 out of 7 head coach candidates say Carr is the man...that Kubiak says Carr can do it
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If you want a job, you say want the interviewer wants to hear. It is clearly documented how bad Kubiak wanted the position!

Not to mention, Kubiak is suppossed to be a QB wizard and refute Dan Reeves consulting that Carr is not the problem.

I don't think so.

I am speculating here, but McNair didn't hire Dan Reeves to get his opinion really as much as ammunition to get he wanted in the candidate process in looking for Capers successor.

That is just my experience with high powered guys that have made their money running a business. They find ways of getting what they want in business and very successful at doing that. Unforunately, building an NFL championship team doesn't work the same because the pie is severly limited because there is a very limited talent pool to select from.

You are right, Carr is not the single reason for the Texans woes. But, it isn't clear he is really apart of the solution to a winning program either.
 
I am not sure, I mean it wasn't like Kubiak was on the street corner begging for food, He was with the Bronco's and a super bowl caliber team. Why would he bank his future on Carr when they could have cut ties and draft either Leinart,Cutler(hello broncos), or Vince Young?
 
It still amazes me that 6 out of 7 head coach candidates say Carr is the man...that Kubiak says Carr can do it...that he just set a record

If you heard Kubiak on the radio , he told Carr he expects him to make the throw that wins the game along with the 22 in a row .
 
I know this is way, way out there, but...

Suppose Kubiak said Carr was the QB of the future for the franchise, but he was mistaken!

What is more unbelievable, Carr isn't the man, or Kubiak made a mistake? Both things couldn't have both happened at the same time, could they? What are the odds??!!!
 
hollywood_texan said:
Carr is a very well compensated QB, and therefore should be providing similar play as his well compensated counterparts.
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While Carr makes good coin, he is at about the middle range salary wise for starting QBs on their second contract. He is also not the highest salary guy on the team.
 
edo783 said:
While Carr makes good coin, he is at about the middle range salary wise for starting QBs on their second contract. He is also not the highest salary guy on the team.
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I believe Carr is paid about $8 million a year, which I believe is within the average of the top 5 or so of QBs. So, I think he is paid a little more than middle range.

Carr is at least the 3rd highest paid player on the team. Mario Williams and AJ may be paid more, but that is it.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
David Carr, again, is not the singular source of our woes.
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Nobody is saying he is the only source of our problems...... just the biggest. As David Carr goes, so the team goes.

gpshafer_1976 said:
Brady has had tons of better players placed around him.
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bull... caca.....

nobody would remember any of those offensive players had Bledsoe remained the starter in New England.

Since we're talking about ole Bledsoe, his new team also seems to be doing better without him.

That was the only change on both teams..... the QB, because he makes that much of a difference.

How much do you want to bet that the Seahawks will return to their winning ways once Hasselback suits up??

How much do you want to bet the Falcons would be on top of that division if they had Drew Brees??
gpshafer_1976 said:
Ol' Stinky David Carr. We'd be in the playoffs if Sage were leading us....
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Well I wouldn't go that far...... there is still a lot of football to be played..
 
Superstar said:
As the guys on ESPN 790 said it best.......

QB rating is so overated. Carr proved that it is overated. Romo has a low QB rating and he has better talent than Carr.
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No, he has a team of players that were drafted well by a management personnel that has had about four years head start on us.

And that's THAT.

That Dallas team is a team of well-drafted pros.

We were stuck with capers and Casserly who were playing games with one another for four years. Capers wanted guys that didn't fit his scheme, and Casserly tried to sneak in guys that might do well IN SPITE OF CAPERS' lack of an eye for good talent.

I mean, can you not see the difference in just ONE draft class with Kubiak and his staff vs. the old regime?

If they keep this up, we're going to be looking pretty good in a couple years.
 
i just don't understand why and undrafted QB Like tony romo who has never had a regular season snap until this year looks much better than carr that is unreal *undrafted* im just tired of the carr excuses which the homers will always have one its not all david's fault but he could do so much more with what he has for @#$%^&$%^^&&$$^$%#$$@sake the line is protecting we have a running now we have AJ and Eric moulds Owen daniels he has the weapons what the hell is wrong no touchdowns in the second half not even close to sniffing the endzone.


i guess the answer to why the carr bashing people are tired of mediocre play from david i dont see why they should be used to i mean we have seen it for a number of years.:twocents:
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
i just don't understand why and undrafted QB Like tony romo who has never had a regular season snap until this year looks much better than carr that is unreal *undrafted* im just tired of the carr excuses which the homers will always have one its not all david's fault but he could do so much more with what he has for @#$%^&$%^^&&$$^$%#$$@sake the line is protecting we have a running now we have AJ and Eric moulds Owen daniels he has the weapons what the hell is wrong no touchdowns in the second half not even close to sniffing the endzone.


i guess the answer to why the carr bashing people are tired of mediocre play from david i dont see why they should be used to i mean we have seen it for a number of years.:twocents:
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I'll tell you why, Marc Colombo, Marco Rivera, Flozell Adams, Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Julius Jones, Jason Witten, and Patrick Crayton.
 
texan279 said:
I'll tell you why, Marc Colombo, Marco Rivera, Flozell Adams, Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Julius Jones, Jason Witten, and Patrick Crayton.
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Marc Colombo, Marco Rivera, Flozell Adams........ go to the Cowboys-Forum.com. All those guys are pretty much hated. They are the reason every team in the league(including us) were ringing Bledsoe's bell all game long. They suck.... with Bledsoe under center.... now with Romo, they're going to look like ProBowlers.

TerrellOwens (AndreJohnson), Terry Glenn (Eric Moulds)... it's a wash. I understand both Glenn is a more potent deep threat than Moulds is, but Romo hasn't been able to hit T.G. on any deep patterns as of yet..... as a matter of fact, I often wonder if Romo is aware that T.G. is on the field.

Jason Witten (Owen Daniels)... I think it's a wash, I wouldn't trade Owen for Witten straight up, you'd have to sweeten the pot a bit. But we've also got Bruener, who hasn't dropped one pass this season, and he's a better blocker than Witten/fasano.

Patrick Crayton (??).... it would be nice if we had a Patrick Crayton..

Julius Jones(the guy looks kinda injury prone to me. He's aweful small. But there is no doubt about it, we'd have been a lot better off if we had a better run game. that doesn't mean undefeated, but we'd have won at least 4 games I can think of if we were able to consistently run the ball, especially in the 4th Qtr.
 
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