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What will the O look like for the rest of the season?

thunderkyss

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Don't even draw up deep route combos on third and 15.
You can show a couple of receivers running the deep routes, but look for a 10 yard strike and let the receiver try to do the rest.
Draw it up so the other receivers clear a path to pick up 15+
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
This was exactly what I've been saying.
Too many long developing plays (in the first three games) that require the Oline to hold and they're not good enough for that.
They needed more shorter route combos, quick hitting plays (which we saw more of in the last game).
Yes and I expected Cobb, Fells and Akins with a dash of the Johnsons to add yardage but you have to throw it to them. This roster can beat Jags
 

Seegara

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How much can be put in place in season?

The offensive concept seems awful this year, in seeing lots of clips of ALL the receivers in the same area of the field, ALL the receivers at the same depth etc. The run game is non existent. Watson doesn’t have the ability to take off.

Can Kelly put in a spread concept and get Watson some quick throws with the option to take off? Or is that too much to put in during the season.
Putting all receivers in the same area is an attempt to help Watson, who is naturally slow on his reads. Hopefully we will see more plays run from a standard set and less emphasis on spread formations.
 

amazing80

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tomorrow will tell us a little bit. I think it will take a couple of weeks to see the full “change” we will see, but we should see glimpses tomorrow. Clearly there were issues in practice and with the players on offense and the “scheme”. Let’s see how things look going forward.

My biggest thing to watch is whether Watson runs more or not. Was it his choice or OB’s constant nagging to stop running?
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
this Is an audition for Kelly. If he can turn this offense around and it becomes legit he has a serious accomplishment added to his resume. that isn’t going to happen if he plays conservative ball. He’s gotta know his only chance of continuing forward as an OC Is for this offense to blow up. This is huge for his career.

hopefully he isn’t too dumb to realize this.
 

SeriousShizzle

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this Is an audition for Kelly. If he can turn this offense around and it becomes legit he has a serious accomplishment added to his resume. that isn’t going to happen if he plays conservative ball. He’s gotta know his only chance of continuing forward as an OC Is for this offense to blow up. This is huge for his career.

hopefully he isn’t too dumb to realize this.
I bet kelly goes PerkyForkedIcefish-max-1mb.gif then goes PoliteSilkyKomododragon-size_restricted.gif and craps his pants and gets Watson injured...........


I hope not but hell!
 

welsh texan

All Pro
Money control people what do you have to say about the highest paid LT?
The screw up wasn’t in paying Tunsil it was in allowing Duane Brown to get upset.
If you draft a good player you always have some control in keeping the bottom line money down on the contract. You can always protect your rights to him and bring him to the table a year or 2 early, guarantee more $$ in return for a little below top rate. It works for everyone.
If you lose that great player and go chasing a replacement on FA, the cost becomes double the draft assets, and then you get the player on a short contract who can leverage those draft picks you’ll be wasting to take more money out of you.

Tunsil must have let Billy have a go on his gas mask, because since he got here he’s been playing a little below expectation.

The one crumb of comfort is that they all regress under Devlin so as long as the ownership do the right thing and clean house this offseason we will hopefully see improvement.
 

thunderkyss

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Still looks like BOB's running game. I have never seen an OL that is so soft around the goal line. They are not physical at all. Look at Tunsil on the ground. One freaking yard?

I know it's not a good look for Tunsil, but the way his guy is staying low, Tunsil's doing about as good as can be there.


Pharaoh Brown is doing a good job there on the edge. Fells... I don't know what he can do. If he leaves the guy closest to him to get 52, then the guy he leaves probably makes the same play. I don't like how Kelemente gets turned around there & I don't like Martin getting rag dolled.


But if the play is designed for Johnson to hit that gap, is Tunsil supposed to stand that dude up? Looks like he's getting his guy out of the way & dropping to get out of Johnson's way.

Who is supposed to get 52?
 

thunderkyss

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Here is something different. Texans actually are lined up in the I-formation and had a successful run. I will never understand why a team that loves to run the ball will not use this formation more.

Tunsil looked good on that one & DJ looked like he had some burst there. Good patient run, then bursts when the hole opens up.

But that clothes line... For a big guy, that shouldn't happen.
 

76Texan

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I know it's not a good look for Tunsil, but the way his guy is staying low, Tunsil's doing about as good as can be there.


Pharaoh Brown is doing a good job there on the edge. Fells... I don't know what he can do. If he leaves the guy closest to him to get 52, then the guy he leaves probably makes the same play. I don't like how Kelemente gets turned around there & I don't like Martin getting rag dolled.


But if the play is designed for Johnson to hit that gap, is Tunsil supposed to stand that dude up? Looks like he's getting his guy out of the way & dropping to get out of Johnson's way.

Who is supposed to get 52?
The one thing I think we can ask of Tunsil is maybe firing off the ball a little quicker to reach his man before the cut block.
His job is to knock the Dlineman off of the B gap, and that was not achieved.

Or maybe they aimed to have David hitting the C gap inside the double team. In that case, Tunsil didn't help either because he was in the way.
 

justmy2cents

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Tunsil looked good on that one & DJ looked like he had some burst there. Good patient run, then bursts when the hole opens up.

But that clothes line... For a big guy, that shouldn't happen.



For such a big guy, he has always seemed a little dainty to me. More aggressive play calling might help, but ........ what is causing such a rapid regression of the offensive line ?
 

Texansballer74

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Back to back 30 point games.

Watson: 695 yards 7 TDs and 2 interceptions

Rushing by committee: 211 yards and 1 TD

Last week Cooks led the team in receptions (8) and yards (161) and he scored a TD.

Yesterday Fuller was the main man with 6 receptions, 123 yards and a TD. Cook led the way with 9 receptions.

So all in all the offense has improved. The running game still has a ways to go.
 

thunderkyss

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Back to back 30 point games.
30 points should be achievable next week as well.


So all in all the offense has improved. The running game still has a ways to go.
Hmmmm...

In so much as they should have scored 40 against a depleted Minnesota defense, yeah. There's nothing here to suggest we could score 30 points on a team with a quality secondary & true pass rush.

Green Bay has a better pass rush than Jacksonville or Tennessee & they don't give up those big plays Watson feeds on.

But no, I'm not seeing improvement just worse opponents.

& there was a big difference between the first & 2nd half. I'd love to hear your thoughts on why that was.
 

Texansballer74

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30 points should be achievable next week as well.



Hmmmm...

In so much as they should have scored 40 against a depleted Minnesota defense, yeah. There's nothing here to suggest we could score 30 points on a team with a quality secondary & true pass rush.

Green Bay has a better pass rush than Jacksonville or Tennessee & they don't give up those big plays Watson feeds on.

But no, I'm not seeing improvement just worse opponents.

& there was a big difference between the first & 2nd half. I'd love to hear your thoughts on why that was.

The Buccaneers just hung 38 points on them. That pass rush didn’t get after the old man either. So we can put up 30 + on them.


We are finally utilizing our receivers skill set. The tight ends are becoming a factor in this offense as well.


IMO they have improved, especially the play calling
 

CWTexansFan

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The screw up wasn’t in paying Tunsil it was in allowing Duane Brown to get upset.
If you draft a good player you always have some control in keeping the bottom line money down on the contract. You can always protect your rights to him and bring him to the table a year or 2 early, guarantee more $$ in return for a little below top rate. It works for everyone.
If you lose that great player and go chasing a replacement on FA, the cost becomes double the draft assets, and then you get the player on a short contract who can leverage those draft picks you’ll be wasting to take more money out of you.

Tunsil must have let Billy have a go on his gas mask, because since he got here he’s been playing a little below expectation.

The one crumb of comfort is that they all regress under Devlin so as long as the ownership do the right thing and clean house this offseason we will hopefully see improvement.
Well said
 

thunderkyss

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The Buccaneers just hung 38 points on them. That pass rush didn’t get after the old man either. So we can put up 30 + on them.
I agree. I'm saying 30 points on the Packers is an achievable goal for this offense against the Packers. They do not have a quality secondary or a true pass rush. Their pass rush is like ours, productive at times, but inconsistent.

So next week won't be much of a gauge of how well the offense has improved any more than the Jags/Titans. So the only way, I think, we can say we have seen improvement is comparing the Jags/Titans games to the Vikings. Another defense we should have scored 30 on & if the chin didn't take over play calling, we may very well have scored 30 on them.

We are finally utilizing our receivers skill set. The tight ends are becoming a factor in this offense as well.
I think a lot of people have been complaining that we need to stop with all the long developing plays. That's our receiver's skill set. Fuller, Cooks, & Stills. So if we're finally using that skill set, it's only because we've been playing teams that can't get after the QB.

IMO they have improved, especially the play calling
I'm not seeing it. Again, we're calling the same deep shots... I haven't looked at the Titans game a 2nd time, but I feel like we made an effort to work on the short game in the first half & in the 2nd we let the dogs run. Why?

True, the Titans have been giving up 5.5 yards on the ground, so you'd think there's an opportunity for us to get the run game going. But five games in & you know that is not your strong suit. We should have been attacking that secondary at every level from the first play of the game.

Then, when they're bleeding, pound them on the ground.

We came out the 2nd half with this goofy idea that we're going to establish the run.... why? That's BO'b. That's not an improvement.
 

76Texan

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I agree. I'm saying 30 points on the Packers is an achievable goal for this offense against the Packers. They do not have a quality secondary or a true pass rush. Their pass rush is like ours, productive at times, but inconsistent.

So next week won't be much of a gauge of how well the offense has improved any more than the Jags/Titans. So the only way, I think, we can say we have seen improvement is comparing the Jags/Titans games to the Vikings. Another defense we should have scored 30 on & if the chin didn't take over play calling, we may very well have scored 30 on them.



I think a lot of people have been complaining that we need to stop with all the long developing plays. That's our receiver's skill set. Fuller, Cooks, & Stills. So if we're finally using that skill set, it's only because we've been playing teams that can't get after the QB.



I'm not seeing it. Again, we're calling the same deep shots... I haven't looked at the Titans game a 2nd time, but I feel like we made an effort to work on the short game in the first half & in the 2nd we let the dogs run. Why?

True, the Titans have been giving up 5.5 yards on the ground, so you'd think there's an opportunity for us to get the run game going. But five games in & you know that is not your strong suit. We should have been attacking that secondary at every level from the first play of the game.

Then, when they're bleeding, pound them on the ground.

We came out the 2nd half with this goofy idea that we're going to establish the run.... why? That's BO'b. That's not an improvement.
Do you mind breaking this up into separate posts? And expound on them.
You're getting at too many points and none seem clear to me.
 

76Texan

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I'm asking for clarification on what is meant by, "Finally calling plays to suit our receivers skill set."
I'm looking at the game now; one more series before the half.

All short to medium concept.
The last series before the half was a long drive, so I expect the same.

We'll see if the second half tells a different story.
 

Mr teX

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The one thing I think we can ask of Tunsil is maybe firing off the ball a little quicker to reach his man before the cut block.
His job is to knock the Dlineman off of the B gap, and that was not achieved.

Or maybe they aimed to have David hitting the C gap inside the double team. In that case, Tunsil didn't help either because he was in the way.
When you're that close in on the goal line, you don't get cute, you power it straight in from a tight I formation to where you don't even give the LB enough time to diagnose that play like he did........he/they were sitting so far back......... or you go from a deep I formation to where the RB has enough time to bounce it if there aren't any lanes on the inside......like DJ has done before on the goal line. That side handoff set up is just terrible...always has been & unless you have studs on the o-line....or an elusive QB..both of which Baltimore has which is works so well for them, it doesn't work that well.

But in any event, Why does it have to be someone's fault? why can't it be the LB just made a great play?
 

thunderkyss

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When you're that close in on the goal line, you don't get cute, you power it straight in from a tight I formation

......... or you go from a deep I formation
Bingo

But in any event, Why does it have to be someone's fault? why can't it be the LB just made a great play?
I don't know about a great play... he was unaccounted for. & that's my biggest issue with that play on the goal line.
 

Earl34

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When you're that close in on the goal line, you don't get cute, you power it straight in from a tight I formation to where you don't even give the LB enough time to diagnose that play like he did........he/they were sitting so far back......... or you go from a deep I formation to where the RB has enough time to bounce it if there aren't any lanes on the inside......like DJ has done before on the goal line. That side handoff set up is just terrible...always has been & unless you have studs on the o-line....or an elusive QB..both of which Baltimore has which is works so well for them, it doesn't work that well.

But in any event, Why does it have to be someone's fault? why can't it be the LB just made a great play?
Exactly!! I will never understand the logic behind using so much shotgun on the one yard line. This shotgun crap limits the number of options and really makes it easier for the defense.
 

Corrosion

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Bingo



I don't know about a great play... he was unaccounted for. & that's my biggest issue with that play on the goal line.

There's 11 defenders and 9 potential blockers .... Someone's always going to be unaccounted for.
That free defender is the whole reason for the I or offset I formation giving you a lead blocker and the defense really can't overcompensate because it would expose them on the outside.

On that play from the video - Tunsil actually does his job by washing his man inside and to the ground. Fells does pretty much nothing on the play until both LBers start downhill and he can only block one.

Poor play design for that part of the field.

They should have been in an I or offset I giving them a lead blocker to account for that extra guy while still being able to threaten the outside.
 

76Texan

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I'm asking for clarification on what is meant by, "Finally calling plays to suit our receivers skill set."
Done with the second half.
Nothing I hadn't mentioned before.
Quick strikes, mixed with some play action passes, RPOs...
Nothing fancy, but everything designed to help the Offensive line, the receivers, and the QB.
 

banned1976

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Now all of the receivers are on the trading block. Lol yeah let’s take the weapons away from the kid again. This is the epitome of dysfunction lol
A fire sale is in order. Get rid of all the receivers if they can get some middle to late round picks for them. Run on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs the rest of this season if that’s what it takes to build a team that isn’t just treading water (at best) for the next 3 years.

It’s badboy season!
 

Corrosion

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Now all of the receivers are on the trading block. Lol yeah let’s take the weapons away from the kid again. This is the epitome of dysfunction lol

Is this legit or just from our discussions around here ? I haven't heard that (not that I was listening).

If so - Its not such a bad thing. I can't see them keeping WFV beyond this season due to cost and injury issues - You can't give that guy a big contract.

They aren't winning anything this year - May as well clear the decks and have a fresh start for next season , take all those salary cap lumps now.

There's going to be a whole lot of talent available in free agency this year at bargain bin prices - Clearing the decks now lets you take advantage of that.
 


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