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thunderkyss said:
Kevin Kolb.... 3rd round pick? Second?

for Rogers-Cromartie.. 1st rd pick.

Kolb........ riding the pine.

Rogers-Cromartie.. playing every snap.

It's a win for the Eagles & if Kolb plays the way he has shown he is capable of, it's a win for the Cardinals.
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I think it's much more likely that the Cardinals will give up Patrick Peterson for Kolb, rather than DRC.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.
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Eagles would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cardinals would not trade their prize known as Patrick Peterson aka Jesus Christ in cleats.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.
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Damnit. You were on such a long winning streak until this series of posts.

What team in NFL history traded their top-end first round pick before even seeing the guy play a down of football...even before CAMP of all things?

You over-reached. Unforced error.
 
GP said:
Damnit. You were on such a long winning streak until this series of posts.

What team in NFL history traded their top-end first round pick before even seeing the guy play a down of football...even before CAMP of all things?

You over-reached. Unforced error.
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Not to be a doucher, but if I remember correctly the Chargers traded Eli right after drafting him.

Although, I agree that the cardinals trading Petersen is unlikely.
 
Allstar said:
Eagles would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cardinals would not trade their prize known as Patrick Peterson aka Jesus Christ in cleats.
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Well, there was speculation after they made that pick, that they made it for the Eagles in exchange for Kolb once free agency starts. Kolb has been hyped up enough to where it will likely take a 1st round pick and some more to get him from the Eagles, but Peterson should be enough on his own to make that deal work. I wouldn't do it if I were the GM of the Cardinals, but they are desperate for a QB. Desperate people often make bad decisions. This is a team that's going into next season with Derek Anderson, Max Hall and John Skelton on their QB depth chart. I think they will be angling pretty hard for a QB, whether it's Kolb, VY or Hasselbeck.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Why is that so crazy? All the reports are saying it would take DRC and a high draft pick, whereas the Eagles may go for Peterson alone or with a late round pick. If I'm the Eagles, I would much rather have Peterson alone than DRC and a 2nd.
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Dutch is not insane, because there have been reports that Peterson and Kolb could possibly be both part of a trade between both teams. You guys that are acting like he is crazy here just aren't informed on these rumours being circulated. I'm not saying that it will happen, but his suggestions aren't far off at all considering what many reports have hinted at.
 
Texecutioner said:
Dutch is not insane, because there have been reports that Peterson and Kolb could possibly be both part of a trade between both teams. You guys that are acting like he is crazy here just aren't informed on these rumours being circulated. I'm not saying that it will happen, but his suggestions aren't far off at all considering what many reports have hinted at.
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There was one report that got circulated around draft day. That was quickly shot down the day after the draft. It sounded pretty ridiculous to begin with anyways. Maybe you are the one who isn't informed on these rumors.
 
Allstar said:
There was one report that got circulated around draft day. That was quickly shot down the day after the draft. It sounded pretty ridiculous to begin with anyways. Maybe you are the one who isn't informed on these rumors.
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There has been more than one report. I'm sorry if you only follow the Texans, but what Dutch stated was not some out of this world theory. I talk to quite a few Philly fans and they were mentioning it to me far before I ever heard about it. It was a lot of heavy talk about it around Philly. There was a lot of smoke in these rumors. Just because you only heard of "one report" yourself certainly doesn't mean that there weren't others that you missed. I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but Dutch's suggestion isn't as crazy as you tried to make it seem. Philly has been known to be very active in free agency and trades every season as well, so them being in talks to trade a QB that they no longer need for a pass rusher that they desperately need to a team that really needs a QB isn't far out at all if they believe that Kolb will be a great player.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I think it's much more likely that the Cardinals will give up Patrick Peterson for Kolb, rather than DRC.
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Remember franchise QB is the most valuable asset, so Peterson for Kolb would be on par...DRC is not enough even though he is a proven commodity (Iggles are rumored to want DRC + 2nd/3rd pick for Kolb)....question is: Does Kolb equal franchise QB of the present/future?
 
Texecutioner said:
Dutch is not insane, because there have been reports that Peterson and Kolb could possibly be both part of a trade between both teams. You guys that are acting like he is crazy here just aren't informed on these rumours being circulated. I'm not saying that it will happen, but his suggestions aren't far off at all considering what many reports have hinted at.
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Always knew you were British.

Nobody is saying Dutch is insane. You've taken our hyperbole and made into reality. We're saying it's highly unlikely. And if it is just rumors, as is the "rumor" Francesca is floating about Houston being a lock to get Aso, then it is what it is: Rumors. What's so bad about us saying a rumor is unlikely?

I can see the deal being made for FUTURE draft pick considerations, but not for a guy the Cardinals have obviously picked to be a starting CB. Why would you trade off a rookie's salary for Kolb who is going to want starting QB money?
 
Texecutioner said:
There has been more than one report. I'm sorry if you only follow the Texans, but what Dutch stated was not some out of this world theory. I talk to quite a few Philly fans and they were mentioning it to me far before I ever heard about it. It was a lot of heavy talk about it around Philly. There was a lot of smoke in these rumors. Just because you only heard of "one report" yourself certainly doesn't mean that there weren't others that you missed. I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but Dutch's suggestion isn't as crazy as you tried to make it seem. Philly has been known to be very active in free agency and trades every season as well, so them being in talks to trade a QB that they no longer need for a pass rusher that they desperately need to a team that really needs a QB isn't far out at all if they believe that Kolb will be a great player.
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I believe the one report was re-reported by multiple "sources". You know exactly how that goes. The day after the draft that rumor was squashed.
 
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Dutchrudder said:
Well, there was speculation after they made that pick, that they made it for the Eagles in exchange for Kolb once free agency starts. Kolb has been hyped up enough to where it will likely take a 1st round pick and some more to get him from the Eagles, but Peterson should be enough on his own to make that deal work. I wouldn't do it if I were the GM of the Cardinals, but they are desperate for a QB. Desperate people often make bad decisions. This is a team that's going into next season with Derek Anderson, Max Hall and John Skelton on their QB depth chart. I think they will be angling pretty hard for a QB, whether it's Kolb, VY or Hasselbeck.
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Keep Peterson and trade the other corner + a second and you have a starting Qb and possible a franchise CB.
 
Kolb's value can't be higher than Schaub's was when we traded for him. Kolb has looked pretty unimpressive from what I've seen, no way I'd think he's a franchise QB.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Kolb's value can't be higher than Schaub's was when we traded for him. Kolb has looked pretty unimpressive from what I've seen, no way I'd think he's a franchise QB.
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Not sure if you were responding to my post or just stating your thought. My post was a starting QB & possible franchise corner.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Kolb's value can't be higher than Schaub's was when we traded for him. Kolb has looked pretty unimpressive from what I've seen, no way I'd think he's a franchise QB.
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Matt Schaub as a Falcon:
84-161 52.2% 1033yds 6 TDs 6 INTs 69.2 QB rating

Kevin Kolb as an Eagle:
194-319 60.8% 2082yds 11 TDs 14 INTs 73.2 QB rating

I'm not suggesting that Kolb will be as good as Matt Schaub. What I'm saying is that Kolb has had at least as much success as Schaub had as a Falcon, but with more experience. So yeah, his value has to be at least as high as Schaub's was in 2007.
 
Allstar said:
Icing te one report was re-reported by multiple "sources". You know exactly how that goes. The day after te draft that rumor was squashed.
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Look, you can believe what you want. I'm not here to convince you. I was just stating that Dutch's idea wasn't as lopsided and crazy as you suggested considering what rumors were swirling out there. I don't think that Peterson will be traded, but if it somehow happens I won't be shocked either considering the rumors around the draft. My guess is that it will involve D Cromartie and some other pieces of value.
 
Lucky said:
Matt Schaub as a Falcon:
84-161 52.2% 1033yds 6 TDs 6 INTs 69.2 QB rating

Kevin Kolb as an Eagle:
194-319 60.8% 2082yds 11 TDs 14 INTs 73.2 QB rating

I'm not suggesting that Kolb will be as good as Matt Schaub. What I'm saying is that Kolb has had at least as much success as Schaub had as a Falcon, but with more experience. So yeah, his value has to be at least as high as Schaub's was in 2007.
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Thanks for posting. I almost posted I thought Kolb compared favorably to Matt but was to tired to research.
 
Texecutioner said:
Look, you can believe what you want. I'm not here to convince you. I was just stating that Dutch's idea wasn't as lopsided and crazy as you suggested considering what rumors were swirling out there. I don't think that Peterson will be traded, but if it somehow happens I won't be shocked either considering the rumors around the draft. My guess is that it will involve D Cromartie and some other pieces of value.
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First of all, sorry for the gibberish in that post, it was on an iPhone and I was in a hurry :)

I understand you completely, It's just very rare for a top 5 pick to get drafted, visit the team the next day with a press conference with his family there and they assure him that they are gonna keep him and how he is a big part of their future just for him to get traded at the first opportunity. I can't remember the last time a first round pick in the NFL was moved after draft day but before his first snap for that team.
 
Allstar said:
First of all, sorry for the gibberish in that post, it was on an iPhone and I was in a hurry :)

I understand you completely, It's just very rare for a top 5 pick to get drafted, visit the team the next day with a press conference with his family there and they assure him that they are gonna keep him and how he is a big part of their future just for him to get traded at the first opportunity. I can't remember the last time a first round pick in the NFL was moved after draft day but before his first snap for that team.
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Well that may be unprecedented, but this is still a business. I don't believe many players in this league are untouchable, including first round picks. If the GM in Arizona believes that getting Kolb will improve the team more than what Peterson could, then I think he would make the trade. I don't think DRC is a great CB, I think he would be better suited as a #2, so I just don't see the Eagles going for him unless the Cards throw in a 2nd. Sounds a bit pricey versus Peterson, who hasn't played a down in the NFL yet. The Eagles may outright demand Peterson as well, who knows, but if I'm Andy Reid I'm going for Peterson.
 
Lucky said:
Matt Schaub as a Falcon:
84-161 52.2% 1033yds 6 TDs 6 INTs 69.2 QB rating

Kevin Kolb as an Eagle:
194-319 60.8% 2082yds 11 TDs 14 INTs 73.2 QB rating

I'm not suggesting that Kolb will be as good as Matt Schaub. What I'm saying is that Kolb has had at least as much success as Schaub had as a Falcon, but with more experience. So yeah, his value has to be at least as high as Schaub's was in 2007.
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Well, guess I was wrong obviously. But I would say his value would be similar to Schaub's. Certainly not worth an insanely talented CB.
 
Texecutioner said:
...and they were mentioning it to me far before I ever heard about it.
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How does that work, exactly.........?

Texecutioner said:
...so them being in talks to trade a QB that they no longer need for a pass rusher that they desperately need to a team that really needs a QB isn't far out at all if they believe that Kolb will be a great player.
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I thought we were talkimg about Kolb for Peterson....the CB.
 
I was commenting on the part that you "think it's much more likely" that the Cardinals would get rid of Peterson. We've all read the rumors, we know it's out there. My comment was towards your apparent confidence level of Peterson being involved in the trade.

Could it happen? Absolutely. It could be a win-win for both teams. The rumors have been out for a while, Kolb for DRC (or Peterson). That's because it makes sense. I just think it's "much more likely" that the Cardinals give up DRC plus a draft pick or two. :handshake:
 
TheIronDuke said:
Well, guess I was wrong obviously. But I would say his value would be similar to Schaub's. Certainly not worth an insanely talented CB.
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I wouldn't call DRC an insanely talented CB personally, but that's just me.

And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof. I'd say that Kolb's value right now is right on par to what Schaub's was at the time. They both had pretty limited playing time when they had their opportunities and both showed flashes of being very good at times where potential was there. Personally, I think Kolb has a lot of potential to be a good QB in this league.
 
badboy said:
Keep Peterson and trade the other corner + a second and you have a starting Qb and possible a franchise CB.
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Or, keep both CBs and trade a couple of 2nd rounders to the Eagles like the Texans did for Schaub.

It's better to give up what you don't yet have (future draft picks) and keep all three players (Peterson, DRC, and Kolb) that can help you immediately.

Can't miss what you don't yet possess.
 
Texecutioner said:
I wouldn't call DRC an insanely talented CB personally, but that's just me.

And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof. I'd say that Kolb's value right now is right on par to what Schaub's was at the time. They both had pretty limited playing time when they had their opportunities and both showed flashes of being very good at times where potential was there. Personally, I think Kolb has a lot of potential to be a good QB in this league.
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My problem with Kolb is the TD-to-Interception ratio compared to Schaub. Although Kolb did have more TDs than Schaub, which offsets the difference in interceptions. Who knows, Brett Favre did OK when he left Atlanta and went to GB. I'm only questioning the aspect of trading a high first rounder for Kolb who, IIRC, was a 2nd rounder.

When I watch Kolb, I see some bad decision-making too often. I think he started off fairly well, but started to fizzle. That's when Vick came aboard and the rest is history.
 
Texecutioner said:
I wouldn't call DRC an insanely talented CB personally, but that's just me.

And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof. I'd say that Kolb's value right now is right on par to what Schaub's was at the time. They both had pretty limited playing time when they had their opportunities and both showed flashes of being very good at times where potential was there. Personally, I think Kolb has a lot of potential to be a good QB in this league.
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I was talking about Peterson.

I think Kolb's value is about equal to Schaub's was when we got him. I personally think Peterson is far worth more than two 2nd round picks. I wasn't impressed watching Kolb, he seemed easy to rattle if you got pressure on him.
 
I don't see Kolb being worth the #5 overall pick either.

Here's a thought though: What if the Cardinals trade DRC plus a 2012 2nd round pick for Kevin Kolb. Then sign Asomugha. That's a nice CB tandem to have of Asomugha and Peterson with Adrian Wilson and Kerry Rhodes as safeties. Zona is way under the "cap".
 
Texecutioner said:
And I don't know what kind of value you thought Schaub had before coming here. He had some, but it wasn't out the roof.
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I'd say both have similar trading value. Guess it depends on what you define as out of the roof. There were reports more than one team offered a 1st and 3rd for Schaub the year before we got him. And many people around here bitched about 2 2nds for him.
 
I believe the ringing endorsement Andy Reid (who is known to be a great QB developer) gave Kolb to be the Eagles starting QB last year gives a lot of teams reason to believe that he is the real deal. Atlanta never claimed that Schaub was a franchise guy.
 
Allstar said:
I believe the ringing endorsement Andy Reid (who is known to be a great QB developer) gave Kolb to be the Eagles starting QB last year gives a lot of teams reason to believe that he is the real deal. Atlanta never claimed that Schaub was a franchise guy.
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Yeah, I think that is contributing quite a bit to his hyped up value. Reid had been saying for the past few years that Kolb would succeed McNabb as the franchise's next QB, but Vick turned out to be better. I just don't think the Eagles are going to go for two 2nds (Kolb was a 2nd round pick) after giving the Cardinals a good QB. Kolb + Fitz ought to get them 8-10 wins and a playoff berth in that crappy division, which would mean the picks would be lower value. I think the Eagles are smarter than to take that, and the Dolphins, Raiders and Broncos may make offers too. Either way, the Eagles should get at least a 1st and 2nd round pick for this guy who was the #36 pick overall just a few years ago.
 
TheIronDuke said:
I think Kolb's value is about equal to Schaub's was when we got him. I personally think Peterson is far worth more than two 2nd round picks.
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Or put it this way: Would Arizona have taken (2) 2nd round picks to trade up for the #5 pick? No way.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6783433/nnamdi-asomugha-headlines-2011-free-agent-class

2011 free agency: It's going to be wild

Asomugha is the headliner; look for Redskins (again) to be among most active teams

By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Originally Published: July 24, 2011

Get ready for the wildest free-agency period in the history of the NFL.

With the next NFL labor agreement nearly in place, here's a look at the top 10 free agents and where they might land. More than 400 free agents will be available if free agency begins Saturday.

(And remember, teams still must sign their own draft choices and scramble to sign undrafted free agents. Plus, trades soon will be allowed.)

1. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland Raiders: Julius Peppers topped last year's market because of his ability to sack the quarterback. Asomugha, 30, the headliner of this free-agent class, closes off his side of the field to quarterbacks. Over the past three seasons, only 52 passes were completed against him. Like Charles Woodson, who left the Raiders to join the Packers, Asomugha has the type of body that could allow him to play until his mid-30s.

Leading suitors: Houston, Tampa Bay. Dark horses: Baltimore, San Francisco
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