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What separates AJ from the other top receivers in the NFL

I have been critical of AJ as well. Unlike some people, I don't think any player is above heavy crticism no matter how good they are. But I don't see how AJ can make that catch, and Nate Clemens is one of the best corners out there. Actually, he was on AJ's grill all day. We tried going deep to AJ twice and Clemens had him totally beat twice. But that play was on Carr. That pass was hardly catchable. It was up high and Nate Clemens totally has a hand on the ball. Carr needs to make that throw. AJ wasn't the problem on that one.

And as for that 3rd down play, I don't know... I understand how Kubiak wanted to put the ball in Carr's hand and end the game there. Plus, we could have been easily stuffed on 3rd and short. A lot of people asked why we didn't run it when our run game has been working for us. The run game was not very consistent late in the game. Despite some good gains, we were getting stuffed on many plays. I can see why Kubiak thought the best way to get that 1st was by passing the ball.

In the end, VERY dissappointing loss. These are the games you need to win to get better. You need to start winning games that you are supposed to win. We definitely haven't fully turned the corner yet, despite having played well the past couple games. In 2004, we played well in a whole lot of games but we still ended up 5-11. Playing well just isn't enough anymore.
 
run-david-run said:
There is a differance between throwing at DeMarcus Faggins or a pro bowler in Nate Clemenes. It is possible for the other team to stop us from doing something, most of us Texans fans just arnt used to that because we usualy stop ourselves long before the other team has to.
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Regardless.... there is more to it, than "beating" a WR...... depending on the coverage, if the CB is on top, you underthrow the ball... David didn't.. When the DB is trailing, you lead the reciever, David's been throwing those underneath. If we're going to say that NateClemens beat AJ, and made it difficult for AJ to do his job, David has got to put the ball in the right place, & Nate has to make a play. If he's just running out there, and AJ takes a penalty on purpose to keep him from catching the ball..... we can't say that Nate "beat" anybody.

phan1 said:
But that play was on Carr. That pass was hardly catchable. It was up high and Nate Clemens totally has a hand on the ball. Carr needs to make that throw. AJ wasn't the problem on that one.
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Carr was hit pretty hard as he threw that ball....
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
AJ stinks.

Who cares about his stats. His stats don't win us games.

We still lose.

I mean, that's the line the Carr haters are carrying....so it goes for AJ and Meco. Those guys stink as bad as Carr if we apply the same logic.

Don't ya' think?
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Amen, rep coming your way.
 
Before this game, AJ was the most consistent receiver in the league. More 100 yd. or 1+ TD games than the "elite" recievers.
 
mexican_texan said:
Before this game, AJ was the most consistent receiver in the league. More 100 yd. or 1+ TD games than the "elite" recievers.
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Ok, everyone is complaining about Carr not throwing TD's and how bad he is yet AJ gets pimped because of the number of games he has played this season and caught a TD pass? Did he throw them to himself? And by the way, why are stats used to pimp guys like AJ around here so much yet so many around here say Carr's stats don't matter?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Are you really going out on a limb to hate on our two best players and sacrifice your virtual integrity for a QB that has done jack over four years? Preach on preacher!
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I'm going out on the same limb that a few others are going out on.

It's called the "Find a way to hate somebody" limb.

That's not sacrificing my integrity. It's STANDING UP for it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Both 83 yard TDs in yesterdays game, were on 5 step drops.

David went deep for Moulds & AJ, had he placed the ball where our guy could have got them, those would have been over 40 yards.

I'm just saying there have been opportunity..... the ball wasn't placed where it needed to be.
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Do what?!

Did AJ have a hand on the ball or what? He did.

How much MORE does Carr get that ball to AJ?

Pleeeeeeeeease, TK.

That's a real stretch, you gotta' be kidding me.

"Wasn't placed where it needed to be." ????????????????????

A guy throws a deep ball and AJ was right THERE when it came down. The ball wasn't 10 yards away from him. It was right there within his grasp.

You're bailing out AJ......again......and making Carr out to be the guy who failed to "get him the ball." Did AJ have to make an adjustment? Yes. But could he have made the catch? Absolutely. He's "The Man," after all.

Never ceases to amaze me....
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I'm going out on the same limb that a few others are going out on.

It's called the "Find a way to hate somebody" limb.

That's not sacrificing my integrity. It's STANDING UP for it.
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Find a way? Hardly. The data is there, the lack of perfromance is there, how this offense performs when Carr is not in the game is there (with different regimes) and lastly the results are not there. There is no limb when it comes to Carr, but the artificail limb you are promoting by going after AJ and Demeco sounds like a real winner that in my opinion not many Texan fans will join you on. I always took you to be a Texan fan, not a Carr fan.
 
IMO, the balls that were thrown deep to AJ shouldn't have been thrown at all. Nate Clements had AJ covered like a blanket. AJ is one of the best receivers inthe league. Top 10 for sure.

I thought it was kind of humerous when he shoved Clements to prevent him from getting another pick. It definetly would've been a pick too. In addition to being pretty funny, it was the right thing to do.:twocents:
 
HOU-TEX said:
IMO, the balls that were thrown deep to AJ shouldn't have been thrown at all. Nate Clements had AJ covered like a blanket. AJ is one of the best receivers inthe league. Top 10 for sure.

I thought it was kind of humerous when he shoved Clements to prevent him from getting another pick. It definetly would've been a pick too. In addition to being pretty funny, it was the right thing to do.:twocents:
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I want to see the play again, but I felt that AJ should have made a play on the ball and not on the defender. The result was better than an interception, but that is how I felt at the game.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Find a way? Hardly. The data is there, the lack of perfromance is there, how this offense performs when Carr is not in the game is there (with different regimes) and lastly the results are not there. There is no limb when it comes to Carr, but the artificail limb you are promoting by going after AJ and Demeco sounds like a real winner that in my opinion not many Texan fans will join you on. I always took you to be a Texan fan, not a Carr fan.
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Do I really have to put the SARCASM sign after my statement about AJ and Demeco?

Come on, KT. You know better.

It is what it is: People hate Carr. How much easier does it get than that?

I can point out guys who allow sacks at critical times, holding at critical times, drop balls at critical times, let WRs blow by them multiple times, false start multiple times, shank punts multiple times, shank kicks multiple times, call bad plays multiple times, you get the picture.

I AM a Texans fan. And this TEAM has all made errors at critical times.

But one guy is having his stats tracked and the others are not.

Let's track everyone's stats and see if it's JUST Carr or if it's also a few others who are just as easily causing us to lose some games.

I don't endlessly bang on any player. I just started in on Cook and Stanley because they honestly are failing consistently in critical points of the game. And I feel it's time that others get called out for it.

I never figured YOU would question my loyalty to this team. Go read my posts and see how rah-rah I am, and how many times I rebuke those who are negative and bash this team. Unreal. Thanks, man. 'Preciate ya.
 
I never question your's and other's loyalty to the team and frankly that is not anyone's role to do so, especially in this medium. Emotions usually follow the losses and consequently old wounds that do not heal are re opened. We all want the Texans to win, but there are two fronts here that see different paths to that winning record.

I fall in to the fold that we have talent and depth issues in the secondary, depth and talent issue at LB, talent and depth issues on the Oline, injuries to the DL and lastly paying premium money at QB for minimal production and contribution to the success of the offense. I simply want to take that money back invested for non production at QB and help offset our gaps elsewhere. Feasible it is not, due to the cap implications of his extension. However, there is trending data all over the place to suggest we should try something different under center. Moreover, there are plenty of best practices by other teams, in similiar circumstances, making changes for the better in the short term and long term.

We were behind the curve when we drafted Boselli in the expansion and trading up to draft Babin and signing Smith, Wade and Greenwood in FA. These are all mistakes that have been made, it would be reasonable to think that other moves were mistakes as well. With other teams making the move this year at changing the guard at QB, we need to make sure that we do not continue to fall behind the curve for the long term and make moves through addition or addtion through subtraction that make sense for the well being of the team on the field of play and fiscally.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I want to see the play again, but I felt that AJ should have made a play on the ball and not on the defender. The result was better than an interception, but that is how I felt at the game.
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By watching the play and all of the following replays on TV (unable to attend the game due to family in town), it was clearly going to drop right in the DBs bread basket. Maybe others see it differently, but to me it was going to be a sure pick.:twocents:
 
HOU-TEX said:
By watching the play and all of the following replays on TV (unable to attend the game due to family in town), it was clearly going to drop right in the DBs bread basket. Maybe others see it differently, but to me it was going to be a sure pick.:twocents:
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Like I said, that was my feeling at the game as it was right in front of me, but do understand that replays and the residual angles of those replays usually fill in the blanks.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Do what?!

Did AJ have a hand on the ball or what? He did.

You're bailing out AJ......again......and making Carr out to be the guy who failed to "get him the ball." Did AJ have to make an adjustment? Yes. But could he have made the catch? Absolutely. He's "The Man," after all.

Never ceases to amaze me....
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on the INT by Nate, AJ did what every other WR in the league would've done. He had no play on that ball. David got hit, and the ball did not go where he wanted it to.

On a play where the CB is leading our reciever, the ball should be underthrown. When the CB is trailing, the ball should be thrown over the top. He's put the ball in the wrong spot for AJ, Eric, & Walter......

There are things AJ is doing that he should be criticised about.... dropping balls... not securing the ball.. poor routes.... like that double move he put on Jacksonville.... he never took his eyes off the corner. if the corner was worth his billing, he wouldn't have bit on the first move, because AJ did a poor job of selling the out route.

but to think AJ could have made a play on the deep routes that were thrown to him.... or Moulds for that matter is asinine.
 
Since we're hating on Carr's #1 target, what happened to the Weatherman? He's supposed to be Carr's safety valve. No way two rookie safeties shut him down...right?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Like I said, that was my feeling at the game as it was right in front of me, but do understand that replays and the residual angles of those replays usually fill in the blanks.
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I understand. I wasn't questioning what you'd seen at the game. I was just trying to help clear things up on what happened. :redtowel:
 
thunderkyss said:
on the INT by Nate, AJ did what every other WR in the league would've done. He had no play on that ball. David got hit, and the ball did not go where he wanted it to.

On a play where the CB is leading our reciever, the ball should be underthrown. When the CB is trailing, the ball should be thrown over the top. He's put the ball in the wrong spot for AJ, Eric, & Walter......

There are things AJ is doing that he should be criticised about.... dropping balls... not securing the ball.. poor routes.... like that double move he put on Jacksonville.... he never took his eyes off the corner. if the corner was worth his billing, he wouldn't have bit on the first move, because AJ did a poor job of selling the out route.

but to think AJ could have made a play on the deep routes that were thrown to him.... or Moulds for that matter is asinine.
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The ball that Carr threw that was picked off was in AJ's hands and the DB ripped it out of his hands as they were falling down.
 
AJ drops way to many passes and he freely admits it. He is a great talent, and he will make the hard catches, but the run of the mill catches he seems to drop.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;506929 said:
All homerism aside, who will legitimately make the Pro Bowl this year for you guys?
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AJ deserves it and Demeco Ryans deserves it. Beyond that, I'm not sure we have any worthy players this year. AJ might get squeezed because of the competition and some big-name players that often get fan votes despite actual production.
 
texan279 said:
The ball that Carr threw that was picked off was in AJ's hands and the DB ripped it out of his hands as they were falling down.
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Nate Clements had perfect position. AJ hit the ground with one hand on the ground, and another hand on the ball. Nate had two hands on the ball, not AJ. AJ was not in position to get that ball.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Like I said, that was my feeling at the game as it was right in front of me, but do understand that replays and the residual angles of those replays usually fill in the blanks.
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At game speed, Johnson was preventing a tragedy of an interception for sure. At that point, couldn't afford the risk of a turnover. I thought it was smart to give them a chance to keep the ball... He knows it was taken away from him once, and had the same thoughts again I am sure with only a split second to decide.
 
eriadoc said:
AJ deserves it and Demeco Ryans deserves it. Beyond that, I'm not sure we have any worthy players this year. AJ might get squeezed because of the competition and some big-name players that often get fan votes despite actual production.
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Sadly, I think AJ falls short unless he can post another 4-5 tds in the last few games. Pro Bowlers need to find the end zone and a bunch of receptions isn't probably enough vs. Chad Johnson and others coming on late with yards and tds.
 
***REQUEST***
I'm not one to usually ask the mods to do something (serious or jokingly), but can somebody please force anybody making a comment on Carr's pick in the Buffalo game to watch.the.freaking.play before they make a post?

You people and your need to bring somebody down has, for some reason, led you to believe that AJ had any remote chance of catching that ball. I most wholeheartedly assure you, he did not.

There have been plays where AJ had his hands on the ball and the defender comes and just takes it from him (the Titan's game, I believe), but this was not one of them. Nate Clements had the ball the entire way. His arm was wrapped around the ball far before AJ even had a chance to touch it and when a corner has his arm wrapped around the ball--especially one as tough as Clements--he is not letting go.

Face it. Hate Carr, or love him, the ball was thrown in such a way that Clements became the receiver and AJ the corner. A corner cannot beat a perfectly thrown ball.

And that was a perfectly thrown ball. To Clements.
 
I didn't see it.. all i know when I played WR in highschool, if I got a hand on it no matter the throw and didn't catch it.. I ran laps..

I am not saying Aj could or could not catch it I am just saying.
 
The thing is that he got a hand on it after Clements got his arm around it. If you had to run laps for that kind of a play, it was for allowing the corner to do so, hence, why AJ committed pass interference the second time it happened.
 
gameguy89 said:
***REQUEST***
I'm not one to usually ask the mods to do something (serious or jokingly), but can somebody please force anybody making a comment on Carr's pick in the Buffalo game to watch.the.freaking.play before they make a post?

You people and your need to bring somebody down has, for some reason, led you to believe that AJ had any remote chance of catching that ball. I most wholeheartedly assure you, he did not.

There have been plays where AJ had his hands on the ball and the defender comes and just takes it from him (the Titan's game, I believe), but this was not one of them. Nate Clements had the ball the entire way. His arm was wrapped around the ball far before AJ even had a chance to touch it and when a corner has his arm wrapped around the ball--especially one as tough as Clements--he is not letting go.

Face it. Hate Carr, or love him, the ball was thrown in such a way that Clements became the receiver and AJ the corner. A corner cannot beat a perfectly thrown ball.

And that was a perfectly thrown ball. To Clements.
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Let us not forget the DE in David Carrs face while young Winston was getting acclimated to his condition/position. I think David Carr thought he was going to get it away before contact. I do believe Dre had a good amount of his arm around the ball when they both came down, I even thought he had it for a moment. It was just a bad situation/Winston/Carr/Dre they were all trying to get things done.
 
gameguy89 said:
The thing is that he got a hand on it after Clements got his arm around it. If you had to run laps for that kind of a play, it was for allowing the corner to do so, hence, why AJ committed pass interference the second time it happened.
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well maybe in the offseason Carr needs to take meteorology classes and read the wind :heh:
 
gameguy89 said:
***REQUEST***
I'm not one to usually ask the mods to do something (serious or jokingly), but can somebody please force anybody making a comment on Carr's pick in the Buffalo game to watch.the.freaking.play before they make a post?

You people and your need to bring somebody down has, for some reason, led you to believe that AJ had any remote chance of catching that ball. I most wholeheartedly assure you, he did not.

There have been plays where AJ had his hands on the ball and the defender comes and just takes it from him (the Titan's game, I believe), but this was not one of them. Nate Clements had the ball the entire way. His arm was wrapped around the ball far before AJ even had a chance to touch it and when a corner has his arm wrapped around the ball--especially one as tough as Clements--he is not letting go.

Face it. Hate Carr, or love him, the ball was thrown in such a way that Clements became the receiver and AJ the corner. A corner cannot beat a perfectly thrown ball.

And that was a perfectly thrown ball. To Clements.
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I watched the whole game, and like I said before maybe the ball should not have been thrown, but AJ had the ball in his hands and had the ball taken from him by Clements. Here watch this clip...http://www.buffalobills.com/multimedia/, about half way into the clip they show the INT and you can clearly see that AJ and Clements are fighting for the ball on the way down and Clements even said while the clip is playing that "we were fighting for the ball and I just came up with it."
 
After watching that clip about 6 times, AJ should have had that ball, Clements just plain outjumped AJ and made a helluva play on the ball.
 
thunderkyss said:
First, that was not a jump ball. David was getting hit as he threw it, and I'm sure it didn't go anywhere near where he wanted it to go. Secondly, NateClements was in better position to get that ball than AJ was. Third, AJ is not a defensive back, and forth....... AJ should have came down with that ball.

if we're going to consider him Elite.

But...... every other pass that he or Eric, or Jameel, or anyone who caught a ball this season... has been thrown behind them. That's just where David likes to put them I guess.

there may have been a few that were in front, but for the most part, David likes to throw behind his recievers.

And considering the YAC Andre's been getting, I'd say he's Elite.
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It was mention in last week's Denver game that Shan teaches the QB to throw short of the receiver. They do not want to overthrow the receiver. I assume Kubiak is doing the same thing. Its their belief that the receiver has a better shot at the ball under those circumstances. I'm just conveying what the theory is, not whether it is right or wrong.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;506929 said:
All homerism aside, who will legitimately make the Pro Bowl this year for you guys?
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Right now, I don't see anyone on our team that I really like for the Pro Bowl. The two closest would be AJ and Demeco.

If Owen Daniels wasn't going up against Gonzalez and Gates for the spot, I'd say he was a good choice. Especially if he duplicates the success he had the first half of the season. I think 10 td's for a TE is a pretty good stat.
 
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