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What if we beat Miami & New England?
- Thread starter thunderkyss
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barrett
All Pro
classy. real classy. you're my kind of guy. here's hoping we loose out so guys like you give up. it'd be worth it to trim some of the fat.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The Texans would have to finish 9-7, and the Ravens, Jags, Dolphins,
Patriots, AND Steelers, Jets, Titans would have to finish 8-8 or worse.
Good luck with that!
Let me turn the tables on you:
If we lose three or four out of four, will you change your mind?
jshabang
Quality Backup!
It depends on how we play. If they lay down, & don't put out the effort they have been, then yes I would change my mind.
If we give up over a hundred yards rushing. yes I will change my mind
If we can't score more than 20 points, I will change my mind (that's with Schaub & AJ for 4 Qtrs)
If the players continue to make mistakes.... no.
I understand it is the coaches job to get that out of them. But I'm willing to give him a little more time to instill a winning mindset on this franchise.
Chris you're getting soft my friend!!!! JK
No More 8-8's
Waterboy
BFD; This will be nothing new, Kubiak has been pretty successful in December when its already too late.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
I don't want Kubiak gone for my own benefit. I honestly believe he's
done all he could, and he'll be 5-7 next season at week 13. With this
team, under this coach...
If it ain't one thing, it's another....
....to land us at 8-8.
The only Quality win I remember in the second half of the season, was Chicago last year, when they were trying to sneak into the play-offs.
I see quality in the Patriots, & in Miami. If we can beat those teams, playing their best games....... I would be happy.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Then depending on how the 2 games before that go we would finish anywhere between 7-9 and 9-7. Either way, this season is a disappointment and the team needs to be held accountable.
imatexan
All Pro
Never said anything else about what you posted.
All I said is we can still finish 2nd.
I don't disagree with this in the slightest.
Last year, our offense was the pearl of this team. Defense didn't even resemble a pro outfit.
Kubiak took his attention away from the offense, & focused on the Defense. That defense has shown drastic improvement over the course of the year.
The offense has taken a step back in some areas, but we're still 13th in scoring...... which ain't bad considering the lack of a running game. We also turn red zone possessions into scores more often than we used to, & we convert third downs like nobody's business.
Now that GK has his defense "in order" & his offense "in order" he can be a head coach next year.
Yes, it's his fault he didn't have his defense in order last year. But going forward, he's doing too many right things.
If McNair was to say, "yeah he's turning it around, but it's going way to slowly." I can understand that.
But most fans here, as saying it's not going anywhere at all, & I just don't see that.
I won't ever believe that GK has taken this team as far as he possibly could.
TimeKiller
Guest
We won't make the playoffs so who cares about wins and losses?
I'll watch football because I like football and I'll watch the Texans because I'm from Houston. Other than that I won't give a **** less than two about the score or records until next year.
I'll watch football because I like football and I'll watch the Texans because I'm from Houston. Other than that I won't give a **** less than two about the score or records until next year.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Why would you change your mind now? All the games that matter are over. If you haven't made a firm opinion about what you think of Kubiak's job, I think it is folly to frame your opinion around 4 worthless games at the end of the year.
Tell me, winning out at the end of the last 2 seasons did exactly what for this team in the subsequent year? The last 3 years the Kubiak coached teams have had 5 wins going into week 14. FIVE. All two previous years this team has played well when the games don't matter. Why change your opinion based on games by a team playing out the string?
We still have a chance however slim it may be if we win out. We need the Jags to lose 3 games, then everything else seems possible (if we are destined for the playoffs). We win and go 9-7 and the following happens. (I know Im dreaming, but until we are out - I can still pray!)
Jags: 8-8 (MUST LOSE 3)
L Dolphins
L Colts
L Pats
W Browns
Dolphins: 8-8
W Jags
L Titans
L Texans
W Steelers
Steelers: 8-8
W Browns (maybe we can get lucky)
L Packers
W Ravens
L Dolphins
Ravens: 8-8 (worried about them going 9-7)
W Lions
L Chicago
L Pitt
W Oakland
Titans:8-8
W Rams
W Dolphins
L Chargers
W Seahawks
Jets 7-9
W TB
L Colts
L Atl
L Cinci
Jags: 8-8 (MUST LOSE 3)
L Dolphins
L Colts
L Pats
W Browns
Dolphins: 8-8
W Jags
L Titans
L Texans
W Steelers
Steelers: 8-8
W Browns (maybe we can get lucky)
L Packers
W Ravens
L Dolphins
Ravens: 8-8 (worried about them going 9-7)
W Lions
L Chicago
L Pitt
W Oakland
Titans:8-8
W Rams
W Dolphins
L Chargers
W Seahawks
Jets 7-9
W TB
L Colts
L Atl
L Cinci
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
That means if the Dolphins, Steelers, Ravens or Titans get their 9th win, we're
screwed. If the Texans lose just ONCE, we're screwed, and if the Jets or
Titans win their 8th game, we're screwed.
That's a LOT of hoping, pal.
Redtexan#34
Noob
Watching this Steelers vrs Browns game and thinking how the AFC is looking it just makes me Angry. If we had one just 2 of the last 4 games we would be right in the hunt for the playoffs.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I think he is assuming every team folds down the stretch like we do.
If the players quit on Kubiak in the last 4 games, I will change my mind. If the players are still buying into the system they've been buying into all year long, I see no reason to get rid of Kubiak.
It's not about winning or losing. It's not about the last 4 games of a meaningless season.
It's about how they play. If they continue to get better as they have all year long.... I'm with them, & I'm with Kubiak.
If they don't.... I'm with them, & I'm laying down on Kubiak.
They've got to get used to winning. Doesn't matter how or when. When they get used to winning, they'll start expecting to win.
I'm not changing my opinion, unless they quit. I'm pleased with the way they've been playing. I just think they need to clean up a few mistakes.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
They buy into his system for half a game, and crap on it the other half.
When are they gonna buy in FULLY???
Let's see.
They haven't won a game since the HALFway mark of the season.
They play exactly one HALF of a game.
I thought this season was "A Tale of TWO Halves."
It's far worse than that. What was funny, was that they got beat with
"Play 60" painted on the field. Talk about a "comedy" of errors.
When are they gonna buy in FULLY???
Let's see.
They haven't won a game since the HALFway mark of the season.
They play exactly one HALF of a game.
I thought this season was "A Tale of TWO Halves."
It's far worse than that. What was funny, was that they got beat with
"Play 60" painted on the field. Talk about a "comedy" of errors.
redwhiteANDblue
Veteran
How ironic lol
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The fact that you've just uttered this phrase lets us all know where you
stand. You don't care about championships. They'd be "nice," just like
wins would be "o.k.," so long as they look good when they cough up a lead.
You weren't the LEAST bit embarrassed at that Colts game? They dominated
a full half against the undefeated Colts, only to **** away a sure win. This
didn't cause you the least bit of humiliation? At my job, I openly claim
to be a Texans fan. The way they consistently finish games the way
they did against the Colts gets us laughed at. There are more than a
few on this board who can relate to what I just said.
It's HAAAARRRDD to be a known Texans fan. This team just FINDS new ways to
stink it up!
Vinny
shiny happy fan
actually, that's nearly one of Carr's more famous quotes. He was asked about the game being a 'must win' game and I'm paraphrasing here but he said, "This isn't a must win game, it's a must play well game".
Has this defense improved over the course of the year, or haven't they?
I think Cushing is a stud, & so is Quinn they have both been getting better & better by leaps & bounds.
I'm seeing LBs contribute to pass defense. DBs hitting people as they catch the ball, knocking some of them lose, or causing the pass to be incomplete.
I believe the offensive line is playing better with Caldwell, White & Studdard in the starting Line-up, than they were when they were originally thrown into the starting line-up thanks to injury.
I think everyone will get there wish soon, & Myers will be replaced by Caldwell. Chris White & Casey Studdard are doing very well, with the occasional bone-headed (WTFWTT) moments.
AJ is on a totally different level now. Beast mode took on a new meaning this year.
& Matt is finally (over the last 3 weeks) effectively extending plays.
Consistency is the biggest issue right now, & it's gotten (is that a word?) better every week.
When I project this team into the future with Gary Kubiak, I see the end result we all want to see, & it will be soon.
I do not see the stagnant football team that others are talking about.
There are several teams in this league, IMHO that need to worry more about learning how to play the game, than winning. Especially a team with out an identity. They'll do this one week, & that the next week, & wins just happen...... they beat really, really bad teams simply because they are more talented. But when they face a real team. An organized offense that methodically accomplishes a game plan... & picks you apart defensively.... they look like we did against the Steelers two years back, or the Jets Earlier this year.
I don't mean that crazy crap GK would try, where we would run the ball again & again, & again, to pick up 2 yards. I mean that we learn how to play this game, at this level so that when we do decide to run... we pick up good gains more often than not. Even with Chris Brown in the back field.
& that's where we are at now. We weren't there in September. & regardless what everyone thought, we weren't there last year.
Everybody knows what this team & these games mean to me. I get sympathy... which I think is worse than the ribbing you get. But even they know we're playing better football than we have at any point in this franchises history.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Dex,
Come on, man. Let's be fair here for a minute. Three weeks ago, you were in the same boat and we were all calling you out.
I get that you've "seen the light," but let's hold off on being too harsh on other posters, because you damn sure wasn't saying that a few weeks ago.
I'm just saying...
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Then...what is it about?
So even if they give monster effort..but trip over their own toes and find a way to lose all 4 of the rest of the games....you're still ok with Kubiak staying. Even after regressing to a 5-11 season?
Yes.
Look we can be like the Cowboys. Change coaches, change systems, change everything about the franchise midseason, & only get to the play-offs because of the weakness of the conference they play in. They lose in the first round if they are LUCKY enough to make it to the post season, & lose in the same WTF fashion you're describing right now.
Or we can be the Colts. Learn to do something well... be the best at it, and dominate for years.
You know I'm speaking the truth. The only reason the Cowboys win, is because they are more talented than the other team. They play sloppy football, & will lose against any team that has their ducks in a row.
That's not what I want for this organization.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
A few weeks ago, we were 5-3, and it was easier to stay in the dark. The
evidence has CLEARLY risen to the surface now. 5 straight division losses
in a row, and our consistent 6-4, 7-3, finishes on our 8-8 seasons have
come to light. I'll try to back off, but the evidence is glaring now. It's
so strong, that I have to squint when I look at Kubiak's pressers.
...but I feel ya though.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Are you kidding me?
Ok, so what DO you want for this organization? 8-8?
You're right about the Cowboys. But, so what? What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
I agree that the Cowboys blew it when they fired Jimmy Johnson, because he was building a solid foundation. But, Jimmy Johnson was a BALL BUSTER. He did not play. THAT is why they won with him.
We don't have that kind of coach.
TxDavid
Veteran
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
Read my soap. The answer is NO.
We are 1-5 against our division opponents and no reasonable hopes for a playoff spot. I am tired of having nothing to play for in December so these last games don't mean squat to me.
We are 1-5 against our division opponents and no reasonable hopes for a playoff spot. I am tired of having nothing to play for in December so these last games don't mean squat to me.