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tulexan said:I can't see the problem being the players. The team has not changed very much from last year where we were 7-9 and should have been at least 8-8. Also, every game you hear the same thing. "We did not adjust in the second half". That is coaching not the players.
Marcus said:. . . are NOT the problem with this football team. What if he tells McNair that the problem with team lies mainly with the players?
Would you accept his analysis? He very well could do that, you know?
Tulip said:If the problem is the players, then how does Casserly escape?
gtexan02 said:If he told him that, then it would most likely mean that Cass and Capers aren't the problems. In which case thats fine, and we would get some new players. The thing is, Cass and Capers bring the players in, and if they aren't good, then obviously the people bringing them ARE the problems.
YoungTexanFan said:actually, our team lost two starting MLB, had a first year starter at OLB, a new CB, a 6th round pick at SS, and a SS playing F/S, had our top LB put on IR, had our top WR injured, Victor Riley started at LT, RT, RG, Mark Bruner is still our top TE, Cory Bradford is still our #2 reciever.
that, for the most part, is what hurt us this year. We have changed quite a lot from last year.
Runner said:On the offensive side of the ball every starter was available from last year, and Palmer was still here so we could have run his offense again. The coaches chose to install a new offense and install Riley as the left tackle.
The defensive side is another story.
Runner said:On the offensive side of the ball every starter was available from last year, and Palmer was still here so we could have run his offense again. The coaches chose to install a new offense and install Riley as the left tackle.
The defensive side is another story.
Tulip said:I agree. There was no reason, from a personnel standpoint, for the offense to be worse than it was last season.
The defense was gutted. I get that. But the none of the offensive starters from last year were traded or released.
Marcus said:. . . are NOT the problem with this football team. What if he tells McNair that the problem with team lies mainly with the players?
Would you accept his analysis? He very well could do that, you know?
JaguarsFan1 said:You don't really think Reeves was brought in to evaluate do you? Dan Reeves is going to be the next coach of the Houston Texans.
KYColtsFan said:Dan Reeves, reguardless of whether he's just a consultant, becomes GM, or (dare to dream) becomes the head coach, will get this team on the right track.
y'all almost had it last year, and i thought this year the South would be one of the strongest conferences in the league, with the Colts, the Jags, and the Texans. sadly, and i hope you don't mind an outsider sayin' this, your coachin' staff is a joke.
David Carr (with good protection) will win you a lot of games. Dominick Davis is a beast even without a decent O-Line. imagine if you guys can get some good offensive linemen in the upcomin' draft? he'll be runnin' wild.
your offense is there except a few pieces. i think this offseason, your defense is what should be addressed the most. get a new coach, one that's a proven defensive mind. hand him an already good offense at the core, have Reeves help plug the holes there, and let the coach build his defense. it worked in In-D.
then what? the AFC South becomes the division to beat (three viable teams for it) for those rings.
i can feel it, good times a comin'.
awtysst said:Now we all know the Texan's horrendous record, but lets look at some of the losses:
10/2: 16-10
11/6: 21-14
11/27: 33-27
12/4: 16-15
12/11: 13-10
What do all of these games have in common? They are all games the Texans could have won. For whatever reason the Texan did not. Had we won these games our record would be 6-7 and have a chance to hit .500 for the season.
In essence if you look at it, it has been coachign mistakes. Either going into superconservatie offense, or going into prevent defense, etc. This is an issue with the coaching. The Texans are not as bad as the record indicates and next year will be a big surprise for a lot of people.
awtysst said:Now we all know the Texan's horrendous record, but lets look at some of the losses:
10/2: 16-10
11/6: 21-14
11/27: 33-27
12/4: 16-15
12/11: 13-10
What do all of these games have in common? They are all games the Texans could have won. For whatever reason the Texan did not. Had we won these games our record would be 6-7 and have a chance to hit .500 for the season.
In essence if you look at it, it has been coachign mistakes. Either going into superconservatie offense, or going into prevent defense, etc. This is an issue with the coaching. The Texans are not as bad as the record indicates and next year will be a big surprise for a lot of people.
corrosion said:.... just weak in a few positions such as CENTER (No , im NOT a fan of Steve McKinney)
sakebomb said:We gave up a lot of picks for two defensive players who are very average at best. That to me sounds like the people in charge don't know what they are doing. I can understand missing on a guy every now and then. It happens. But we are constantly bringing players in here who are average, or at least can't play in our systems.
corrosion said:Probably not (unless we are talking about the O-line and TE positions) .... I think that they have the CORE group of players that they can build on in Carr , DD , AJ , Robaire , Payne and DRob ..... just weak in a few positions such as CENTER (No , im NOT a fan of Steve McKinney) , O-Guard , Free Safety and across the board at the LB positions .![]()
Marcus said:. . . are NOT the problem with this football team. What if he tells McNair that the problem with team lies mainly with the players?
Would you accept his analysis? He very well could do that, you know?
Porky said:You have a fatal flaw in your thinking.
If he tells him it's the players, ie., they are not talented enough - that's Casserly's job, with a hand from Capers.
If he tells them they have talent, but aren't "coached up" enough, well that's Capers and company.
If he tells them they have given up, or are not giving max effort, well that's Dom's responsibility.
If he tells them the schemes, plays, etc., are not utilizing the talent properly, well again, that's Dom's area.
Maybe you can enlighten me on what it is "about the players" that wouldn't lead back to Dom, Charlie, or both?
Runner said:We seem to have a problem with overpaying for average (or below talent), and that is certainly not good. However, half the players in the league are below average at their position. A team made up of lots of average players with a sprinkling of very good to superstar players will be successful.
You just have to pay people appropriate to their worth and avoid too many below average positions, both of which seem easier said than done.
It's pretty simple really...."Free" agents are "free". Bad teams have to overpay for talent. Why else would someone who is competitive and wants to play in a Super Bowl want to play for a start up franchise or a bad team that needs to be rebuilt and is several years away? Also (for instance), why in the heck would any WR want to come here and not get thrown to? Agents watch game film too.touttail said:The texans seem to want to lock in mediocre players for alot of money. They seem to lock them in for a lengthly time period so they won't have to deal with them in a couple of years or get someone else.
Bobby 119C:brickwall
Vinny said:It's pretty simple really...."Free" agents are "free". Bad teams have to overpay for talent. Why else would someone who is competitive and wants to play in a Super Bowl want to play for a start up franchise or a bad team that needs to be rebuilt and is several years away? Also (for instance), why in the heck would any WR want to come here and not get thrown to? Agents watch game film too.
Who chose the players. Blames shifts back to C&C Get them outta heregtexan02 said:If he told him that, then it would most likely mean that Cass and Capers aren't the problems. In which case thats fine, and we would get some new players. The thing is, Cass and Capers bring the players in, and if they aren't good, then obviously the people bringing them ARE the problems.
Sounds like extreme butt kissing to me .Marcus said:Some food for thought for the pink soap club.
Except for each of their records, Capers and Reeves are cut from the same mold. They think alike, and have the same philosophy in regards to personnel, game planning, etc. If you're sick of the "we failed to execute" line that Capers hands out after every loss, if Reeves gets the HC job, don't plan on getting 'well' soon. Go to the Broncos and Falcons message boards and ask them if you don't believe me.
When Ch. 13's Bob Allen interviewed Capers after the announcement, he asked him if he felt uncomfortable with what McNair, did. His reply went something like, "Not when I found out it was Dan Reeves." Now, of course you wouldn't expect him to say anything else, but I think he was being sincere.
I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, but I also won't be surprised if events turn out this way. When Reeves gets through with his 'investigating' and makes his 'report' to McNair, he'll have Capers' back, and throw Casserly under the bus. And I see Capers telling McNair that with Reeves as GM, they both will truly be on the same page in regards to evaluating talent and who to draft, and what free agents to pursue.
And if it indeed turns out this way, then they will have sold it that Casserly and the scouting department are to blame for past mistakes.
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Marcus said:Except for each of their records, Capers and Reeves are cut from the same mold.
and a winning recordDouble Barrel said:yeah...except for those NINE Superbowl appearances and two NFL championship rings (as a player and as a coach) that Reeves has on his resume...![]()
Double Barrel said:yeah...except for those NINE Superbowl appearances and two NFL championship rings (as a player and as a coach) that Reeves has on his resume...![]()
Marcus said:Not to be a smartass or anything, but . . . what is it about . . .
Except for each of their records, Capers and Reeves are cut from the same mold.
. . . that you don't understand?
Marcus said:Not to be a smartass or anything, but . . . what is it about . . .
Except for each of their records, Capers and Reeves are cut from the same mold.
. . . that you don't understand?
Marcus said:. . . are NOT the problem with this football team. What if he tells McNair that the problem with team lies mainly with the players?
Would you accept his analysis? He very well could do that, you know?
Hervoyel said:I don't think this is possible. If Reeves comes back and tells Bob that the coach isn't the problem then we've been drafting lousy players and that means Charlie is the problem in all likelyhood. If he comes back and tells Bob that the players are fine then that means Dom and his staff are the problem.
If he comes back and tells Bob that neither Dom nor Charlie are the problem then where is the problem? If it is the players then that can't mean Charlie is off the hook. What else could it be? The staff? Maybe he's going to recommend that they fire the coordinators though I don't see that happening. They won't make Dom fire everyone (or most everyone) under him but then leave him as the HC.
Dom is gone, Charlie is either gone or about to be moved out of the talent finding business. Reeves is going to recommend people who have worked well with him in the past and it's anyones guess what Bob will end up doing.
eriadoc said:Not to add to a pissing match or anything, but IMO it's faulty logic to exclude a condition like that. I mean, as a Texans fan, all I care about is championships.
No, we don't expect them tomorrow either. Championships are the reason they play the game....they don't play just to play, and we don't root for ties or losses.Bobo said:Don't you think that's a little much to expect for a team that has only been in existence for four years?
Robaire, Payne ? they are on their way out and you call them building blocks ?corrosion said:Probably not (unless we are talking about the O-line and TE positions) .... I think that they have the CORE group of players that they can build on in Carr , DD , AJ , Robaire , Payne and DRob ..... just weak in a few positions such as CENTER (No , im NOT a fan of Steve McKinney) , O-Guard , Free Safety and across the board at the LB positions .![]()
Marcus said:WOW DD, just a second there, I thought maybe you were someone I could have a decent conversation with about a particular topic.
Thanks for setting me straight.![]()