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What has Carr done in 4 years?

Doesn't that say more about our defense? That we let a 3rd stringer from Harvard play like that?
 
tulexan said:
Doesn't that say more about our defense? That we let a 3rd stringer from Harvard play like that?
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Not really the Rams defense was equally as bad and we still did not Win if i remember correctly they had no namers playing secondary.
 
You're right, but if I remember correctly, that was one of those games where we would get a lead and then have the most conservative offensive play calling, just to make sure that we didn't turn the ball over.
 
The guy asks where Carr's remarkable potential has been shown over the last four years and after 60 posts there are only a couple games mentioned?

I'd call that game, set, match for the anti-Carr contingent.

This has got to be a tough thread for Carr supporters.

Or maybe, just maybe, a wake up call.
 
Whats the weather like in your little world Nighthawk?

Go check out some of the other threads... its not that there isnt plenty of information to support taking Young, taking Bush, trading down, keeping Carr.. or whatever other subject you support.. its just that people are tired of repeating the same arguements in every thread.

If you want to see more of the arguements in support of Carr.. they are out there.
 
Carr has shown flashes of his potential very rarely, and even his strongest supporters have to question that after leaving year four, especially with VY possibly in the next draft. On the other hand, look at what Carr has had to work with. No gamechanging RB, no reliable dual threat TE, no #2 receiver, an absolutely broken offensive line, and an absolutely broken offensive scheme, period. Who can blame him for not producing when he's had so little help. He may not be a QB that can take a team on his shoulders and will them to win, but then again as seen this year, neither is Brett Favre. I think with a decent supporting cast, Carr could become an above average quarterback for us. Vince Young could become an elite quarterback for all we know, but if Bob McNair wants to win now - Reggie Bush is probably a very appealing choice. That and trading down and drafting OL.
 
blockhead83 said:
He may not be a QB that can take a team on his shoulders and will them to win, but then again as seen this year, neither is Brett Favre.
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I'm not going to compare Brett to David, but you do make an intriguing point. Look at the difference between the Packers when they have their best RB, best WR, TE, and a good line compared to this year when they have none of those. They go from a playoff team to a bottom of the barrel team. You can't expect a quarterback to be successful without a line or weapons.
 
Grid said:
Whats the weather like in your little world Nighthawk?

Go check out some of the other threads... its not that there isnt plenty of information to support taking Young, taking Bush, trading down, keeping Carr.. or whatever other subject you support.. its just that people are tired of repeating the same arguements in every thread.

If you want to see more of the arguements in support of Carr.. they are out there.
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Nope, afraid not. The question was where specifically over the last four years did Carr burn it up and thus show his great potential. The answer is, he hasn't.

There are, as you point out, many arguments for keeping Carr, but NONE OF THEM are based on what Carr's actually done in the last four years.

The fact is that he has NEVER SHOWN THE FABULOUS POTENTIAL that his supporters imagine he has. The reason for that is simple: he really DOESN'T have all this fantastic potential. It's a myth, a construct, wishful thinking based on a pretty good small college career and some of the physical attributes of a big time QB.

I was hoping that some of the Carr-fans would stop and reflect a little on his performance over his tenure with us. It's one thing for Casserly and Capers and the beat writers and so on to SAY HE HAS POTENTIAL, it's quite another for Carr to actually DEMONSTRATE THAT POTENTIAL. He hasn't.

There are a lot of excuses, I'll agree. But you'd think that over four years and 64 games his supporters would have more than a couple quarters of good play to point at, wouldn't you?

I feel bad about it, yoo, but I don't think that we ought to handicap the franchise out of loyalty to a pick that didn't quite work out.
 
You're absolutely right when you say Carr has rarely demonstrated his potential aside of a few games over his four game career. Based on ESPN's reports of us not wanting VY, it appears as though Dan Reeves, Bob McNair, and the Texans front office disagree with you about his potential being a myth.

Surround the guy with some good talent, don't force him to go out and win the game for us single handedly, and I think he'll work out. It's hilarious seeing all these threads that make it out to be either we draft VY or it's the death of the franchise. VY would be great, but I believe Carr can get us where we want to go if we can give him some help. We don't need a hall of famer behind center to win a superbowl.
 
blockhead83 said:
You're absolutely right when you say Carr has rarely demonstrated his potential aside of a few games over his four game career. Based on ESPN's reports of us not wanting VY, it appears as though Dan Reeves, Bob McNair, and the Texans front office disagree with you about his potential being a myth.

Surround the guy with some good talent, don't force him to go out and win the game for us single handedly, and I think he'll work out. It's hilarious seeing all these threads that make it out to be either we draft VY or it's the death of the franchise. VY would be great, but I believe Carr can get us where we want to go if we can give him some help. We don't need a hall of famer behind center to win a superbowl.
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True but if you remeber correctly that was the same thing with tim couch. thye gave him the bonus on his contract becuase they believed he had potential.:twocents:
 
I think the fact that he never quit this team after year one shows his potential. It shows the fact that he cares, he's a leader, he's a man. Not one person on this board who had his talent going into his rookie year would have stuck around this krap organization after year one. Everyone and their mother knows the ridiculous BS that this team put Carr through. The fact that Carr has never once turned his back on this organization shows the fact that he is the leader of this team, that he wants to be the face of this franchise.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I think the fact that he never quit this team after year one shows his potential. It shows the fact that he cares, he's a leader, he's a man. Not one person on this board who had his talent going into his rookie year would have stuck around this krap organization after year one.
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This is just so absurd.
 
McClain's artical this morning, as I'm sure has already been posted elsewhere, indicated that Casserly and Co. said that they haven't singled out either Bush or Young as their choice yet. They'll be waiting to see what the new coaching staff says after seeing what FA brings. They may end up drafting Carr's replacement after all.
 
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