texan279 said:
I think we save $200,000 if he trade him.
and that is still only rushing yards.
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What could we get for DD?
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I think we save $200,000 if he trade him.
and that is still only rushing yards.
thunderkyss said:
I might have heard this in my sleep, but I thought Casserly said Bush could be used as a return man also. He might not return kickoffs, but I could have sworn there was some considerations for him as a punt returner. With that said, I don't like the idea at all...too much invested and too risky.
Oilers/Texans
Waterboy
Why would you even consider trading Domanick Davis?? At what point does that even start to sound like a good idea? Never!
outofhnd
Rookie
Now now lets not get hasty here and pin all our hopes on Reggie if we draft him. here are all the RB situations last year.
Pittsburgh, Bettis, Parker, Hayes 3rd down
Cincy - Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry 3rd Down
Browns - Droughns Suggs maybe got a few carrys
Ravens - Lewis, Taylor
Bills - Mcgahee, Shaud Williams 3rd Down
Jets - Martin
Pats - Dillon, used fullback Pass in pure passing downs in a single back set
Dolphins - Ricky Williams, Ronie Brown, Travis Minor Pure passing downs
Houston - Wells, DD
Indy - Edgerrin
Jags - Taylor, Greg Jones for Goaline Short yardage
Titans - Chris Brown, Travis Henry
Denver - Anderson, Tatum Bell
Chargers - LT
Chiefs - Holmes, Johnson till Holmes went down...
Raiders - Lamont Jordan
Cowboys - Julius Jones, Marion Barber
Redskins - Portis, Ladell Betts
Eagles - Westbrook because he was the only one healthy.
Giants - Tiki barber, Had some bruiser # 27 who rarely saw time
Vikings - Bennett, Moe Williams, Melwelde moore(Moe was used primarily on passing downs)
Bears - Benson, Jones, Forgot the other guy but there was another runner back there.
Lions - Jones, Artose Pinner
Packers - Davenport, Fisher, Green
Bucs - Cadillac, Alstott, Pittman
Falcons - Duckett, Dunn
Saints - Deuce, with sprinkles of Stecker till deuce got hurt.
Panthers - Davis, Foster, Goings
49ers - Beasley, Gore
Rams - Faulk, Jackson
Seahawks - Alexander, Morris
Cardinals - Shipp
So all in all about 7 teams did the 1 back... Shaun alexander has a talented backfield mate named Mike Morris who also returns kicks.
I would go with backfield by committee if it helps us win... Why have nothing in the cupboard if reggie tweaks his knee during a cut?
You guys are ridiculous for thinking we should trade DD he has more value sitting on the bench here than anywhere else because if we shop him chances are e will cut him... And teams will not deal with us for him if they feel that he will be a FA....
DD has value as 1 being a proven 100 yard rusher in case reggie has to have a learning curve and Doesnt do well. 2 with him and DD in the backfield Defensive Coordinators will be up all night trying to diagnose a way to figure out who is getting the ball... 3 Different styles, DD is a legs constantly going inside runner.. Reggie is a homerun hitter... 4 Both can catch passes...
You people that want reggie in there every down are living in the past the NFL is all situational and Tweeners. Workhorses are so 1998.. this is 2006 we have a different player and position for every situation imaginable. WE trade No one until we have a proven replacement for less money. PERIOD
Eagles, Cards, Chargers, Jets, Raiders, Cardinals Did not make the playoffs... Only the colts... And they had a pretty good set of WR and a pretty good QB too if I recall
Pittsburgh, Bettis, Parker, Hayes 3rd down
Cincy - Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry 3rd Down
Browns - Droughns Suggs maybe got a few carrys
Ravens - Lewis, Taylor
Bills - Mcgahee, Shaud Williams 3rd Down
Jets - Martin
Pats - Dillon, used fullback Pass in pure passing downs in a single back set
Dolphins - Ricky Williams, Ronie Brown, Travis Minor Pure passing downs
Houston - Wells, DD
Indy - Edgerrin
Jags - Taylor, Greg Jones for Goaline Short yardage
Titans - Chris Brown, Travis Henry
Denver - Anderson, Tatum Bell
Chargers - LT
Chiefs - Holmes, Johnson till Holmes went down...
Raiders - Lamont Jordan
Cowboys - Julius Jones, Marion Barber
Redskins - Portis, Ladell Betts
Eagles - Westbrook because he was the only one healthy.
Giants - Tiki barber, Had some bruiser # 27 who rarely saw time
Vikings - Bennett, Moe Williams, Melwelde moore(Moe was used primarily on passing downs)
Bears - Benson, Jones, Forgot the other guy but there was another runner back there.
Lions - Jones, Artose Pinner
Packers - Davenport, Fisher, Green
Bucs - Cadillac, Alstott, Pittman
Falcons - Duckett, Dunn
Saints - Deuce, with sprinkles of Stecker till deuce got hurt.
Panthers - Davis, Foster, Goings
49ers - Beasley, Gore
Rams - Faulk, Jackson
Seahawks - Alexander, Morris
Cardinals - Shipp
So all in all about 7 teams did the 1 back... Shaun alexander has a talented backfield mate named Mike Morris who also returns kicks.
I would go with backfield by committee if it helps us win... Why have nothing in the cupboard if reggie tweaks his knee during a cut?
You guys are ridiculous for thinking we should trade DD he has more value sitting on the bench here than anywhere else because if we shop him chances are e will cut him... And teams will not deal with us for him if they feel that he will be a FA....
DD has value as 1 being a proven 100 yard rusher in case reggie has to have a learning curve and Doesnt do well. 2 with him and DD in the backfield Defensive Coordinators will be up all night trying to diagnose a way to figure out who is getting the ball... 3 Different styles, DD is a legs constantly going inside runner.. Reggie is a homerun hitter... 4 Both can catch passes...
You people that want reggie in there every down are living in the past the NFL is all situational and Tweeners. Workhorses are so 1998.. this is 2006 we have a different player and position for every situation imaginable. WE trade No one until we have a proven replacement for less money. PERIOD
Eagles, Cards, Chargers, Jets, Raiders, Cardinals Did not make the playoffs... Only the colts... And they had a pretty good set of WR and a pretty good QB too if I recall
TwinSisters
Veteran
thunderkyss said:
Kubiak will be a genius if he throws a guy that is faster than him right behind him. Mathis Hook'n'Ladder for 6... won't even need an offensive line. Don't be thinking that Little Bush isn't wanting to wash the canvas a bit on that one either.
If Kubiak has an ounce of creativity in him, that play will get some reps on special teams hour this coming camp.
outofhnd
Rookie
NO NO NO NO
WE have enough return men without sacrifing a 49 million Dollar one!!
Mathis, Morency, DD, Buchanon,
Dont put 49 million in the training room because you wanted to get cute and design a play where reggie and mathis try and return a kickoff... The only time you even think it, is if we are down and the kickoff is the absolute last play of the game.
thats like saying you would ferrari and enter it in the demolition derby.. You just dont do it..
WE have enough return men without sacrifing a 49 million Dollar one!!
Mathis, Morency, DD, Buchanon,
Dont put 49 million in the training room because you wanted to get cute and design a play where reggie and mathis try and return a kickoff... The only time you even think it, is if we are down and the kickoff is the absolute last play of the game.
thats like saying you would ferrari and enter it in the demolition derby.. You just dont do it..
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
TwinSisters said:
Kubiak is extremely creative, IMO. He reminds me of what will be a Bill Belichick, or at least we can only hope.
I guarantee that Bush will take a few punts this year. He may be on the field for the Kick Return but there is not one chance in heck that Mathis will be removed from that position. I imagine that it would be a hard choice to have to choose between kicking it to Reggie or kicking it over to Mathis, though.
In my opinion Mathis was one of the only people that was still giving 110% by the end of last season. Maybe it's the rookie in him.... but I like it.
P.S. - I doubt DD gets traded. He has performed extremely well and Kubiak will have a lot of options in the Split Back offense.
TwinSisters
Veteran
outofhnd said:
LOL YES.
You think a starting Linebacker and Safety can't put a harder licking on your Ferrari then a few ST Gunners and a kicker?
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As for the Topic of the thread it's a little early to be talking about trading Davis.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
I think DD's trade issue this year is a very slim chance. However, next year is more likely to be traded. It is soley depend upon BUSH & MORENCY'S production this year. If these combo can handle at RB, I forsee DD with other team next year.(Keep in mind that Morency had to get some carries to prove it)
REASON
1. Too much money on one position.
2. When Kubiak was OC for Denver, most of RB were drafted in the 3rd or later rounds. Another RB will be drafted next year to fill RB
position(with zone scheme, 3rd rounder can be productive RB which proved by Denver offense)
I really like DD but, this the way I see it.
REASON
1. Too much money on one position.
2. When Kubiak was OC for Denver, most of RB were drafted in the 3rd or later rounds. Another RB will be drafted next year to fill RB
position(with zone scheme, 3rd rounder can be productive RB which proved by Denver offense)
I really like DD but, this the way I see it.
outofhnd
Rookie
TwinSisters said:
Linebackers are 10 yards away... gunners are 70 yeards away... yes they can put a harder lick on them because they have more time to get up to full speed and there are lots of bodies comin at you at full speed. Linebackers are not going to hit you like a gunner will be cause a gunner is just a gunner on his team that is his one shot at being noticed. a linebacker is just goin to stop you and punish you.. a gunner is looking to take your head off.. You dont put your 50 million dollar first round draft pick back there and return kicks unless you dont have time to run an offensive play and you need a touchdown to win. we have a surplus of return men on our team that make far less money and are not expected to have as much contribution to the offense as he does... I dont see caddilac, ronnie brown, LT, or any other top tier RB in the league with the exception of bryant westbrook and he stopped returning kicks when he had to play RB full time. You dont risk it with that player.
TwinSisters
Veteran
outofhnd said:
Ok. When do you feel that a player, that has superior speed, will have the greatest chance to score six: When he has to beat a kicker or when he has to beat 4 DBs?
When do you feel that a player, that has more agility than Gale Sayers and more juke than Barry Sanders and can generally leap several Walter Paytons with his eyes closed and one leg tied behind his back ( as I have been told ), will have the greatest chance to score six: When he has to dodge 4 LBs and DLs 5 - 10 yards away or when he has to side-step a 70 yard dashing cannonball ( that is moving at full speed )?
Do you have a statistic that shows return men have greater rates of injuries compared to RBs? If you do then I will say... ok keep the money on the bench and only give him the ball on third and long.
The last one I saw was that DBs in regular play have the most injuries ( or highest rate to be exact )
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_291035.html
from 2005.
I am going to mosey on over to the NFLPA to see what I can find, but I am not holding my breath. Typically they bury all the good stuff 40 layers deep, so I give up before I find what I am looking for ( however I do find that if I sic a few spiders after their repository, they usually net some good booty )
EDIT:
I don't think you see other marquee RBs returning kicks because they don't have sonic speed. Remember Deion? He returned kicks and cost a lot of MONEY ... mucho money.
EDIT:
of course Bush might not be as fast as Deion tough... I believe Deion was clocked at 4.06 in peak form
EDIT:
I found some old stats from the 80's that listed special teams injury rate at 8 times higher then the next on regular O and D, but within the Special Teams category the "hot man" or "wedge-breaker" was significantly higher ( meaning not the return man )
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_291033.html
That was the most detailed article I could find. It also explains why I couldn't find a better article.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
thunderkyss said:
Now thats what i'm talking about ! FINALLY someone else beside me that appreciates how good D.D has been for us. Good Post !
bigTEXan8
Rookie
TexansTrueFan said:
I think that DD has done a phenomenal job from where he was drafted to coming off the bench, to beinig the machine that he is. I like Bush...and I would personally love to have him on the Texans, and he would be a blast to wash. I just feel that since the Texans have a quality RB already, there are more dire needs to address with what I believe should be o-line and D.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
bigTEXan8 said:
Agree. You so not want to end up like the bears having a productive RB rushing for 1300 yards like we have in Jones and they go out and draft benson with the #4 pick overall in the draft to do what? sit on the bench and then he finally gets the chance after holding out all off season with contracts and he was the #4 pick (imagine what Bush is going to be like to sign) and then he get hurt, why? BECAUSE THE DUMB A** WAS NOT IN TRAINING CAMP conditioning and learning like he was suppose to and there we have 17 Million on the bench...
I hope the Texans take Williams and avoid this big headed part time RB ego maniac.
No matter where he goes, I will watch his first game when he finally gets introduced to a tough defense "Welcome to the NFL!" Lights out.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
DD has been injruy prone and not played a full season yet besides DD will be a great change of pace guy with Bush
bigbrewster2000 said:
At $4 million a year, don't expect that to last too long...... he's outta here.. this will be his farewell season. I think he's got this season and next on his current contract....... If the Texans are going to trade him, it will have to be next year.... Bush has to prove himself this year, so it makes sense to keep DD. but once he does that, it don't matter how well DD plays....... we won't be keeping him past 2007.
David's Busted Carr
Waterboy
1) No team has 2 QUALITY NFL starting RBs. They may have a solid backup, but no team wants to pay 2 staring RB salaries. There is no reason to tie up $70 million in one position.
2) Since when is DD a "pound it between the tackles" RB? He's not! And not only he's not he is way to injury prone for that kind of workload. So making the argument he is the "compliment" to Reggie Bush is wrong. Morency can fill the "power back" role just fine, and he's making minimal money.
Please understand I am not anti DD. In fact I think he's a solid player. I just think it would be wise to trade him NOW while he still has solid value rather than wait until he has a more serious injury.
However I would not give him away, and I don't think I'd even want just a draft pick for him. I'd much rather see a trade for a solid NFL starter in return. Possilby an OL or maybe defensive help.
2) Since when is DD a "pound it between the tackles" RB? He's not! And not only he's not he is way to injury prone for that kind of workload. So making the argument he is the "compliment" to Reggie Bush is wrong. Morency can fill the "power back" role just fine, and he's making minimal money.
Please understand I am not anti DD. In fact I think he's a solid player. I just think it would be wise to trade him NOW while he still has solid value rather than wait until he has a more serious injury.
However I would not give him away, and I don't think I'd even want just a draft pick for him. I'd much rather see a trade for a solid NFL starter in return. Possilby an OL or maybe defensive help.
David's Busted Carr said:
I'm thinking the only way we trade him this year, is if we package him with a linebacker(we have too many of the wrong kind) & try to get a Starting safety/LB and a quality backup LB/safety.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
David's Busted Carr said:
You mean other than Carolina for the last couple years with Steven Davis and DeShaun Foster or say Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams or maybe Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson or Steven Jackson and Marshall Faulk. Nah--nobody has two starting RB's.
I'm sorry but looking at DD's track record over the last three years and Morency's and declaring DD hasn't shown a between the tackles ability and declaring Morency can be the power back looks like time for a TV replacement to see the jersey numbers better.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Hi Bobo, I'd read some of you quote in the past and I personally do not enjoy reading your quotes(No offense, I just do not enjoy reading negative points of view like you have been). This may be the first and last time I reply your quote. However, I do realize that you have the rights to your own opinion.Bobo said:
I didn't even try to mention about Bush. He is very talented rare prospect(once in every 10yrs or so) and he is the first overall pick(naturally cost us a big $$$). Bush is able to take to the house anytime he touches the ball. He can be RB or Slot receiver and he does the job so well. This is why he is likely going to be selected #1 overall draft pick.
Now DD is a good RB and I really like DD. However, if you compare DD and BUSH, I will take BUSH. Of course, Morency and Bush have to prove RB position this yr(Which I expect them to).
After one year under Kubiak & Co., they should be able to find out their needs by position. Next yr, we can use DD as trading bait to fill our needs.
Bush will be a core of RB position teamed up by good RB drafted 3rd or later rounds. So, I see us drafting another RB after 3rd round next year.
This is the way I see it.
SAMURAITEXAN said:
We already know what Davis can do and he is a stud. He very nearly gained 1,000 yards on a team that was 2-14 and missed two games via injury in the process. Plus, he did all that running behind a questionable line and for a team that didn't run all that much because it was trying to come from behind. On top of that, he is an excellent receiver coming out of the backfield. Bush is nothing but a huge question mark. He is just as capable of falling flat on his face and becoming another Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Blair Thomas or Archie Griffin as he is a Barry Sanders or Gayle Sayers. Why the heck would you throw the dice on another RB when you already have a good one and that position is not one of your many weaknesses. As for if Bush will be the likely choice, it doesn't sound like he will be if you are listening to the Texans flagship station, KILT. Most are saying that Williams will be the one. But then again, we'll know in less than 24 hours now.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
I don't mind us taking Williams. But that will be a lots of money on DL as well. IF we draft Williams, we would likely to trade Peek or Babin this yr or next. (same scenario like DD's mentioned on my previous post)Bobo said:
Did you read my post"This is why he is likely going to be selected #1 overall draft pick. " GET IT?