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What could we get for DD?

David's Busted Carr

David's Busted Carr

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Now that it looks like Reggie is s done deal, we should start exploring DD trades. I think it would be in the best interest of DD and the Texans to move him. He is still a starting caliber RB, but with Reggie he's demoted to the bench and he's making too much money for that. And Vernand Morency can fill the backup role just fine.

I've read on a few boards about a rumor of the Texans trying to trade him to the Jets for DT Dewayne Robertson. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I'm the Texans, and it makes sense for the Jets to replace Curtis Martin. But if that doesn't work out, what else should we go after? Another draft pick? Perhaps a 2nd or 3rd rounder?
 
If hes is traded, I want either a pick or a starting caliber DB or OL. He has value and may be sought after. The pick would be mid 3rd early 4th.
 
Don't think that DD is going anywhere. Morency is unproven and nobody is sure if or what Bush's role will be as of yet.

I'm not going to assume he's the starting back. Remember he still needs to learn how to BLOCK in the NFL. No small task and since we saw how WELL :rolleyes: DD did at it...I'm certainly not ready to just hand RB the starting role.

I'm not sure also the salary cap implications of moving DD. I still find it crazy that our backfield (both whom will be part-time now) is valued at 70 million plus. :brickwall
 
I beleive we will keep DD because in Denver kubiak with multiple "starting" rb's...I think we will run splitback and use RB in the slot to cause mis-matches...However if we were to trade DD i'd like to get a starting Safety to compete with who we have...
 
There is no way I want to trade DD. A two back set, with Reggie and DD sounds great to me. I am sure most of the time they will rotate in and out with a FB in there, but the possibilities our mind blowing.

Kubiak systems = 2 running backs (A La Denver Broncos)
I look for Morency to fill in if one of these guys miss any time, probably not getting as many touches as who they are filling in for.

DD will not be "benched", look for him and Reggie to share the load. DD will not have to do it all by himself and therefore he will not get beat up and injured as much. I think it is going to work out great. Bush will probably run it 10-15 times and maybe a reception or two, maybe even throw in some PR's, who knows. DD will probably tote it around 15 times, with another touch or two.
 
Texas said:
I beleive we will keep DD because in Denver kubiak with multiple "starting" rb's...I think we will run splitback and use RB in the slot to cause mis-matches...However if we were to trade DD i'd like to get a starting Safety to compete with who we have...
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Denver has never had any such thing.....

Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Reuban Droughns, and Tatum Bell........ none of those guys were starters, until Denver made them starters.... If those guys hadn't gone to Denver, they more than likely wouldn't have been starters.

As soon as they felt like they had two starting running backs, one was shown the exit sign.

Nobody drafts a starting Running Back in the 4th round or later.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Now that it looks like Reggie is s done deal, we should start exploring DD trades.
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Why? We just extended his contract. If we are not going to trade Carr then its safe to say we won't be trading DD. He is a different back from Bush and Bush won't be playing RB the whole game. The variation in RB styles will keep opposing defenses guessing...
 
thunderkyss said:
Denver has never had any such thing.....

Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Reuban Droughns, and Tatum Bell........ none of those guys were starters, until Denver made them starters.... If those guys hadn't gone to Denver, they more than likely wouldn't have been starters.

As soon as they felt like they had two starting running backs, one was shown the exit sign.

Nobody drafts a starting Running Back in the 4th round or later.
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The quotation marks around "starting" means that on the DENVER squad they were starters...Tatum Bell and Reuben Drougns shared time on the field...DD would not have been a starter for any other team being drafted when he did either...
 
DD has always been an average to slightly better then average running back due to his inability to stay healthy. In a trade, I think we would get a similar type player or possibly a third round pick.

Personally, I hope we keep him. Reggie hasn't proven to be a work horse yet and maybe injury prone as well. I just think it’s a little early for the conversation. Also, DD’s best trade value will come during the middle to late part of the season, when another team has injury problems.
 
jayseed2002 said:
We are paying superstar money for beenwie weinnies grub!
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Let's see..... we have a running back who came in off the bench, and managed to be ranked 19th in the NFL his rookie season, missing 2 games. He came back in 2004, raised his NFL ranking amoung NFL running backs to 15th, and rushing for more than 1000 yards, 1788 all purpose yards, and 14 NFL touchdowns against NFL defenses. His third year, he ranks 9th of all NFL running backs, missing 5 games... 1313 all purpose yards, 5 TDs on a team with no passing game, that went 2-14. In those three seasons, he played as well as, if not better than Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn, and Edgerin James did their first three seasons.... and he played in as many games as all of those "injury proned" runningbacks.



Oh, forgot.... he played 2 games less than Ladanian Tomlinson did his rookie year. DD avg 4.3 yards a carry, and 7.5 yards/reception, compared to LT's 3.6 ypc, and 6.2 yards/reception. 14 TDs for DD, 15 for LT. LT's longest run was 54 yards, and he had 7 carries longer than 20 yards. DD's longest was 51 yards, and he had 5 carries for more than 20 yards(remember, he played 2 games less than LT).

And, LT played on a better team than DD did.


'sides, I like Beenie Weenies...........
 
thunderkyss said:
Let's see..... we have a running back who came in off the bench, and managed to be ranked 19th in the NFL his rookie season, missing 2 games. He came back in 2004, raised his NFL ranking amoung NFL running backs to 15th, and rushing for more than 1000 yards, 1788 all purpose yards, and 14 NFL touchdowns against NFL defenses. His third year, he ranks 9th of all NFL running backs, missing 5 games... 1313 all purpose yards, 5 TDs on a team with no passing game, that went 2-14. In those three seasons, he played as well as, if not better than Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn, and Edgerin James did their first three seasons.... and he played in as many games as all of those "injury proned" runningbacks.



Oh, forgot.... he played 2 games less than Ladanian Tomlinson did his rookie year. DD avg 4.3 yards a carry, and 7.5 yards/reception, compared to LT's 3.6 ypc, and 6.2 yards/reception. 14 TDs for DD, 15 for LT. LT's longest run was 54 yards, and he had 7 carries longer than 20 yards. DD's longest was 51 yards, and he had 5 carries for more than 20 yards(remember, he played 2 games less than LT).

And, LT played on a better team than DD did.


'sides, I like Beenie Weenies...........
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Great post!
 
Most teams are become two back systems. Besides, Reggie is a tremendous receiver and I can see him and DD on the field a lot together. Put Reggie in the slot, line them up together, send him in motion, etc. I think both backs will get the ball and I think they will both have a nice year.
 
I don't think he goes anywhere. At least not this upcoming season. Remember that the Seahawks couldn't even get a third round pick for Shaun Alexander a couple seasons ago.
 
I think we also need to consider if Bush being there also allows us to use Domanick Davis more on special teams like he was originally drafted for. We have quite a few returners last year but none of them did as good a job as Davis did returning punts.
 
I doubt we will do it but if we used Reggie Bush on punt returns the open field would give him opportunity
 
DD should not be traded at all.

RBBC will help him stay off the trainer's table, and keep both fresh. The days of having a stud RB and riding him the whole season are pretty much over except for a few elite RB's.
 
I don't see the Texans trading DD for at least a year. Even with Bush, DD is going to get a lot of playing time and can still be of value to the offense.
 
Why would we trade our between the tackles, workhorse (when healthy)back? Just because we are drafting a change of pace back doesn't mean we get rid of our grinder. A big reason RB was so good was USC had NFL talent at almost every position. Lendale wore them down, & Bush finished them.
 
thunderkyss said:
Let's see..... we have a running back who came in off the bench, and managed to be ranked 19th in the NFL his rookie season, missing 2 games. He came back in 2004, raised his NFL ranking amoung NFL running backs to 15th, and rushing for more than 1000 yards, 1788 all purpose yards, and 14 NFL touchdowns against NFL defenses. His third year, he ranks 9th of all NFL running backs, missing 5 games... 1313 all purpose yards, 5 TDs on a team with no passing game, that went 2-14. In those three seasons, he played as well as, if not better than Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn, and Edgerin James did their first three seasons.... and he played in as many games as all of those "injury proned" runningbacks.



Oh, forgot.... he played 2 games less than Ladanian Tomlinson did his rookie year. DD avg 4.3 yards a carry, and 7.5 yards/reception, compared to LT's 3.6 ypc, and 6.2 yards/reception. 14 TDs for DD, 15 for LT. LT's longest run was 54 yards, and he had 7 carries longer than 20 yards. DD's longest was 51 yards, and he had 5 carries for more than 20 yards(remember, he played 2 games less than LT).

And, LT played on a better team than DD did.


'sides, I like Beenie Weenies...........
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DD's 1st 3 seasons (40 games)
770 attempts 3195 yards 4.1 Y/A 23 TD's

Shaun Alexander's 1st 3 seasons (48 games)
668 attempts 2806 yards 4.4 Y/A 22 TD's (in 102 less rushing attempts)

Larry Johnson's 1st 3 seasons (32 games)
476 attempts 2416 yards Y/A 5.1 30 TD's (in 294 less rushing attempts)

Priest Holmes 1st 3 seasons (40 games)
459 attempts 2102 yards 4.76 Y/A 10 TD's (in 311 less rushing attempts)

Jamal Lewis 1st 3 seasons (48 games)
1004 attempts 4757 yards 4.67 Y/A 26 TD's

Warrick Dunn 1st 3 seasons (47 games)
664 attempts 2620 yards 3.93 Y/A 6 TD's (in 106 less attempts)

Edgerrin James 1st 3 seasons (38 games)
907 attempts 3924 yards 4.3 Y/A 29 TD's

DD does not compare to guys like these, DD is an average, middle of the road NFL running back. Like you stated in the 1st paragraph, he ranked 19th in the NFL among RB's his rookie season and 15th among RB's his second season, which to me is just average.
 
4Texans said:
I don't see the Texans trading DD for at least a year. Even with Bush, DD is going to get a lot of playing time and can still be of value to the offense.
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definitely...... as much as a sure thing Reggie is, he's still going to be "trying out" to be that #1 guy. Just like Tatum Bell has..... If Reggie can match those numbers, DD is gone.
 
thunderkyss said:
definitely...... as much as a sure thing Reggie is, he's still going to be "trying out" to be that #1 guy. Just like Tatum Bell has..... If Reggie can match those numbers, DD is gone.
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I don't agree. Backs get hurt all the time. The best teams have at least two good running backs.
 
texan279 said:
DD's 1st 3 seasons (40 games)
770 attempts 3195 yards 4.1 Y/A 23 TD's
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Recieving:
154 catches 1276 yards 8.3 yards/catch 1 TD
Total 4471 yards 24TDs


texan279 said:
Shaun Alexander's 1st 3 seasons (48 games)
668 attempts 2806 yards 4.4 Y/A 22 TD's (in 102 less rushing attempts)
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Recieving:
108 catches 844 yards 7.9 yards/catch 4 TDs
Total 3,650 yards 36 TDs(He actually had 32 rushing touchdowns.... amazing)
Steve Hutchinson most of his career, along with the Seattle Seahawks offensive line, and Mike Holmgren as a head coach
texan279 said:
Larry Johnson's 1st 3 seasons (32 games)
476 attempts 2416 yards Y/A 5.1 30 TD's (in 294 less rushing attempts)
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Recieving:
56 catches 623 yards 11.1 yards/catch 3 TDs
Total:
3039 yards 33TDs
with Willie Roaf, and Brian Waters his whole career.
texan279 said:
Priest Holmes 1st 3 seasons (40 games)
459 attempts 2102 yards 4.76 Y/A 10 TD's (in 311 less rushing attempts)
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Only played 32 games in 1997(rookie), 1998 & 1999
Rushing:
322 att 1514 yards 5 Y/A( striking his rookie season, when he didn't get the ball) 8 TDs
Recieving:
56 catches 364 yards 7 yards/catch (again, striking his first season, when he didn't catch the ball) 1 TD
Total:
1878 yards 9 TDs
Doesn't matter if he was hurt or whatever, as "injury prone" is part of the equation.
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Jamal Lewis 1st 3 seasons (48 games)
1004 attempts 4757 yards 4.67 Y/A 26 TD's
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32 games played in 2000, 2001, & 2002 completely out of the game in 2001
Rushing:
617 atts 2691 yards 4.3 yards/carry(striking the 2001 season) 12 TDs
Recieving:
74 catches 738 yards 10.2 yards/catch 1 TD
Total:
3429 yards 13TDs
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Warrick Dunn 1st 3 seasons (47 games)
664 attempts 2620 yards 3.93 Y/A 6 TD's (in 106 less attempts)
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Recieving:
147 catches 1395 yards 9.6 yards/reception 5 TDs
Total:
4015 yards 11 TDs
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Edgerrin James 1st 3 seasons (38 games)
907 attempts 3924 yards 4.3 Y/A 29 TD's
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Recieving:
149 catches 1373 yards 9 TDs
Total:
5297 yards 38 TDs
texan279 said:
DD does not compare to guys like these, DD is an average, middle of the road NFL running back. Like you stated in the 1st paragraph, he ranked 19th in the NFL among RB's his rookie season and 15th among RB's his second season, which to me is just average.
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I think he compares very well, with all these guys...... including Edgerin James who beat him in both Recieving & Rushing yards.... recieving & rushing TDs. But the point about Edgerin, is mostly the games played. I don't think any one considers Edgerin James to be injury prone.... Even though he's only played 3 full seasons in 7 years......
 
thunderkyss said:
I think he compares very well, with all these guys...... including Edgerin James who beat him in both Recieving & Rushing yards.... recieving & rushing TDs. But the point about Edgerin, is mostly the games played. I don't think any one considers Edgerin James to be injury prone.... Even though he's only played 3 full seasons in 7 years......
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2005 season

Shaun Alexander 1880 yards 370 attempts Y/A 5.1 TD 27 (#1 rusher in NFL)
Tiki Barber 1860 yards 357 attempts Y/A 5.2 TD 9 (#2 rusher in NFL)
Larry Johnson 1750 yards 336 attempts Y/A 5.2 TD 20 (#3 rusher in NFL)
Edgerrin James 1506 yards 360 attempts Y/A 4.2 TD 13 (#5 rusher in NFL)
Warrick Dunn 1416 yards 280 attempts Y/A 5.1 TD 3 (#8 rusher in the NFL)
Dom Davis 976 yards 230 attempts Y/A 4.2 TD 2 (#18 rusher in NFL)

You're telling me DD compares "well" to the other guys listed? :ok:
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Now that it looks like Reggie is s done deal, we should start exploring DD trades. I think it would be in the best interest of DD and the Texans to move him. He is still a starting caliber RB, but with Reggie he's demoted to the bench and he's making too much money for that. And Vernand Morency can fill the backup role just fine.

I've read on a few boards about a rumor of the Texans trying to trade him to the Jets for DT Dewayne Robertson. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I'm the Texans, and it makes sense for the Jets to replace Curtis Martin. But if that doesn't work out, what else should we go after? Another draft pick? Perhaps a 2nd or 3rd rounder?
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To trade a proven blue-chip RB to make a place for a guy who is going to get limited touches and has never gained a yard in the NFL would be pure folly -- so it will probably happen.
 
Long-Spurs-Texan said:
Why would we trade our between the tackles, workhorse (when healthy)back? Just because we are drafting a change of pace back doesn't mean we get rid of our grinder. A big reason RB was so good was USC had NFL talent at almost every position. Lendale wore them down, & Bush finished them.
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And USC had one of the best lines in college football. Make one guess what team has one of the WORST offensive lines in pro football. It amazes me that the Texans are going to use an overall first-round draft choice for a part-time player who could end up like J.J. Arrington did -- unclothed and naked due to the lack of an offensive line.
 
texan279 said:
DD does not compare to guys like these, DD is an average, middle of the road NFL running back. Like you stated in the 1st paragraph, he ranked 19th in the NFL among RB's his rookie season and 15th among RB's his second season, which to me is just average.
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DD got his #'s behind the worst offensive line in league history...enough said.
 
texan279 said:
2005 season

Shaun Alexander 1880 yards 370 attempts Y/A 5.1 TD 27 (#1 rusher in NFL)
Tiki Barber 1860 yards 357 attempts Y/A 5.2 TD 9 (#2 rusher in NFL)
Larry Johnson 1750 yards 336 attempts Y/A 5.2 TD 20 (#3 rusher in NFL)
Edgerrin James 1506 yards 360 attempts Y/A 4.2 TD 13 (#5 rusher in NFL)
Warrick Dunn 1416 yards 280 attempts Y/A 5.1 TD 3 (#8 rusher in the NFL)
Dom Davis 976 yards 230 attempts Y/A 4.2 TD 2 (#18 rusher in NFL)

You're telling me DD compares "well" to the other guys listed? :ok:
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You don't mean to tell me that you don't think that DD isn't one of the best RBs when he gained almost 1,000 yards for a 2-14 team that was constantly passing in an attempt to come from behind? Just look at the number of rushing attempts he had. He had fewer than Dunn, who was part of a RBBC! Unbelieveable, simply unbelieveable. Beam me up, Scotty ...
 
Bobo said:
And USC had one of the best lines in college football. Make one guess what team has one of the WORST offensive lines in pro football. It amazes me that the Texans are going to use an overall first-round draft choice for a part-time player who could end up like J.J. Arrington did -- unclothed and naked due to the lack of an offensive line.
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PREEEEEACH!!!! B/c I still don't get it my dang self. :brickwall
 
thunderkyss said:
definitely...... as much as a sure thing Reggie is, he's still going to be "trying out" to be that #1 guy. Just like Tatum Bell has..... If Reggie can match those numbers, DD is gone.
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Reggie Bush is far, far from a sure thing. If you doubt that fact, just ask Archie Griffin, Kiyanna Carter, Blair Thomas, Curtis Enis, J.J. Arrington and Lawrence Phillips about that. Doncha just hate that when it happens?
 
thunderkyss said:
Let's see..... we have a running back who came in off the bench, and managed to be ranked 19th in the NFL his rookie season, missing 2 games. He came back in 2004, raised his NFL ranking amoung NFL running backs to 15th, and rushing for more than 1000 yards, 1788 all purpose yards, and 14 NFL touchdowns against NFL defenses. His third year, he ranks 9th of all NFL running backs, missing 5 games... 1313 all purpose yards, 5 TDs on a team with no passing game, that went 2-14. In those three seasons, he played as well as, if not better than Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn, and Edgerin James did their first three seasons.... and he played in as many games as all of those "injury proned" runningbacks.



Oh, forgot.... he played 2 games less than Ladanian Tomlinson did his rookie year. DD avg 4.3 yards a carry, and 7.5 yards/reception, compared to LT's 3.6 ypc, and 6.2 yards/reception. 14 TDs for DD, 15 for LT. LT's longest run was 54 yards, and he had 7 carries longer than 20 yards. DD's longest was 51 yards, and he had 5 carries for more than 20 yards(remember, he played 2 games less than LT).

And, LT played on a better team than DD did.


'sides, I like Beenie Weenies...........
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These stats could be, Because LT was on a better Team. DD has been very effective at times and one of our few options on offense. This would inflate his numbers, but as seen did not help the outcomes of many games, because there were very few other options. LT is on a potent offensive team with several options. I think DD and Bush will compete for time and help both of them, along with added firepower at rec. and TE we will be a more effective Team. Carr will not have to sit back there and look like a deer in the headlights, he will have several threats and not need as much time to find his options. Limiting Sacks and hopefully 3 and outs. I don't think DD goes anywhere this year for sure.
 
Bobo said:
You don't mean to tell me that you don't think that DD isn't one of the best RBs when he gained almost 1,000 yards for a 2-14 team that was constantly passing in an attempt to come from behind? Just look at the number of rushing attempts he had. He had fewer than Dunn, who was part of a RBBC! Unbelieveable, simply unbelieveable. Beam me up, Scotty ...
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Gaining 1,000 yards in an NFL season for a RB is nothing anymore, and Houston ranked 28th in the NFL last season in pass attempts per game, so I'm not sure where you get this constantly passing thing. And yes Dunn had 50 more attempts than Davis, but Dunn had 440 yards more than Davis, and that averages out to 8.8 yards per carry for every carry. Dunn also averaged 5.1 yards per carry compared to Davis' 4.2.
 
texplayer2 said:
These stats could be, Because LT was on a better Team. DD has been very effective at times and one of our few options on offense. This would inflate his numbers, but as seen did not help the outcomes of many games, because there were very few other options. LT is on a potent offensive team with several options. I think DD and Bush will compete for time and help both of them, along with added firepower at rec. and TE we will be a more effective Team. Carr will not have to sit back there and look like a deer in the headlights, he will have several threats and not need as much time to find his options. Limiting Sacks and hopefully 3 and outs. I don't think DD goes anywhere this year for sure.
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So you are saying it's a wise move to burn a #1 overall pick on a guy who you say is going to be basically just a part-time player when this team has so many other needs -- including the lack of an offensive line that this guy is supposed to run behind? Yeah, like Flanagan is going to be able to get out ahead of Bush and "lead the way" outside. Tsk, tsk. There is no way this kind of move can be defended.
 
BREAZE said:
DD got his #'s behind the worst offensive line in league history...enough said.
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Worst PASS blocking line in history maybe. Houston ranked 15th in the NFL last season in average rushing yards per game with 113.5. If we had the worst run blocking O line in history last season, we probably would have been ranked dead last in that category. And by the way, Houston as a whole had 1816 rushing yards for the season, Davis accounted for 976 of those yards. And for the record Wells rushed for 4 TD's in 90 attempts compared to Davis' 2 TD's in 230 attempts, and no I am not saying Wells is a better back.
 
Bobo said:
So you are saying it's a wise move to burn a #1 overall pick on a guy who you say is going to be basically just a part-time player when this team has so many other needs -- including the lack of an offensive line that this guy is supposed to run behind? Yeah, like Flanagan is going to be able to get out ahead of Bush and "lead the way" outside. Tsk, tsk. There is no way this kind of move can be defended.
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You are trying to make the team better. He might only get the ball 15 times a game, maybe some he gets 25. It would depend on the D. Avg. & YPC(stats)don't tell you wether your Team wins on Sunday. If he gets the D. off balance with 1-2 plays and the rest of our team runs over them he is well worth it.
 
texan279 said:
2005 season

Shaun Alexander 1880 yards 370 attempts Y/A 5.1 TD 27 (#1 rusher in NFL)
Tiki Barber 1860 yards 357 attempts Y/A 5.2 TD 9 (#2 rusher in NFL)
Larry Johnson 1750 yards 336 attempts Y/A 5.2 TD 20 (#3 rusher in NFL)
Edgerrin James 1506 yards 360 attempts Y/A 4.2 TD 13 (#5 rusher in NFL)
Warrick Dunn 1416 yards 280 attempts Y/A 5.1 TD 3 (#8 rusher in the NFL)
Dom Davis 976 yards 230 attempts Y/A 4.2 TD 2 (#18 rusher in NFL)

You're telling me DD compares "well" to the other guys listed? :ok:
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Is the best QB in the league the guy with the most passing yards?? How 'bout the guy with the most TDs?? How does he rank with the guy with the least INTs??

It's a mixture of all that, wouldn't you agree??
Same thing with the running back... guess what??

DD is in the top 10

And he's done it on the worst team in the NFL........ or at least the worst offense, nothing any of those guys can say.

And the numbers you quoted were from guys well past their third year in this league. And they were all fortunate enough that their teams didn't give up on them, and label them injury prone.
 
thunderkyss said:
Is the best QB in the league the guy with the most passing yards?? How 'bout the guy with the most TDs?? How does he rank with the guy with the least INTs??

It's a mixture of all that, wouldn't you agree??
Same thing with the running back... guess what??

DD is in the top 10

And he's done it on the worst team in the NFL........ or at least the worst offense, nothing any of those guys can say.

And the numbers you quoted were from guys well past their third year in this league. And they were all fortunate enough that their teams didn't give up on them, and label them injury prone.
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DD is in the top 10 in average yards per game with a whopping 88.7 yards per game. And the numbers I quoted were from all of the guys you said Davis was comparable to in an earlier post, so I compared them all. And I have no idea where you got the idea that the Texans gave up on DD.
 
texplayer2 said:
These stats could be, Because LT was on a better Team. DD has been very effective at times and one of our few options on offense. This would inflate his numbers, but as seen did not help the outcomes of many games, because there were very few other options. LT is on a potent offensive team with several options. I think DD and Bush will compete for time and help both of them, along with added firepower at rec. and TE we will be a more effective Team. Carr will not have to sit back there and look like a deer in the headlights, he will have several threats and not need as much time to find his options. Limiting Sacks and hopefully 3 and outs. I don't think DD goes anywhere this year for sure.
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Of course SanDiego is a better team, just like Detroit is a better team. I don't remember how they ended up that season, but they didn't have Antonio Gates, Brees was underperforming, and I can't recall who their Wideouts were. If memory serves correctly, LT had to carry that team. How that may inflate a stat line, I don't know.
 
If teams didn't want to trade for the Edge and Alexander what makes you think DD has more value than they did. I'm not knocking DD, it's just the name of the game these days. DD has no trade value!!!
 
thunderkyss said:
name them
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Tampa Bay-Cadillac Williams and micheal pittman....3 if you call alstott a back
Miami-Ricky Williams(pre suspension), Ronnie Brown
Atlanta-Warrick Dunn, TJ Duckett
Denver-Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson
Tennessee-Travis henry, Chris Brown
St. Louis-Marshall faulk, stephen jackson
Dallas-Julius Jones, MArion barber
New York Giants-Tiki Barber, Branden jacobs

Those are the ones that pop into my head immediately
 
texan279 said:
DD is in the top 10 in average yards per game with a whopping 88.7 yards per game. And the numbers I quoted were from all of the guys you said Davis was comparable to in an earlier post, so I compared them all. And I have no idea where you got the idea that the Texans gave up on DD.
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DD & Bush will play together next year. If you think we will pay one of our them $8 million/yr, and the other $4 million a year, for more than one year, then you are more delusional than Vince.

If you are going to prove to me, with Reggie Bush's rushing stats alone, that he is the #1 runningback in the 2006 draft, we can stop right there. If you want to use his recieving yards to prove his versatility and his explosiveness, then you've got to give me DD's all purpose yards......... in which, he compares Very Well with the running backs I mentioned, which include Shaun Alexander..... the 2005 rushing leader, and all time TD leader. Tiki Barber, the best little back in the league, and Ladainian Tomlinson, the best runningback to enter the NFL in the last Decade, and who ever else you might want to throw in there.

88.7 yards per game rushing, is good enough to get him into the top 10 nfl rushers....... that's still the top ten. Shaun Alexander led the league, with 117.5 yards per game....... a whoping 28.8 more yards per game.

Warrick Dunn, Cadillac, McGahee, Droughns, JuJones, LaMont Jordan, Steven Jackson, Mike Anderson, & Jamal Lewis, all carried the ball more than DD, and on better teams...... and didn't get 88 yards per carry. None of these guys, would be considered Chumps..... all of them, I believe are considered by most to be franchise backs...
 
Bush's salary does not cover a RB position alone. Its returner, RB, WR, and maybe even QB one play a game.

DD could be shopped at some point, but so could a pro bowl return man that likes to wreck motorcycles and who doesn't realize the opportunity he has in front of him. In other words, whatever positions Bush can play are up for grabs and will be competed for...
 
thunderkyss said:
DD & Bush will play together next year. If you think we will pay one of our them $8 million/yr, and the other $4 million a year, for more than one year, then you are more delusional than Vince.

If you are going to prove to me, with Reggie Bush's rushing stats alone, that he is the #1 runningback in the 2006 draft, we can stop right there. If you want to use his recieving yards to prove his versatility and his explosiveness, then you've got to give me DD's all purpose yards......... in which, he compares Very Well with the running backs I mentioned, which include Shaun Alexander..... the 2005 rushing leader, and all time TD leader. Tiki Barber, the best little back in the league, and Ladainian Tomlinson, the best runningback to enter the NFL in the last Decade, and who ever else you might want to throw in there.

88.7 yards per game rushing, is good enough to get him into the top 10 nfl rushers....... that's still the top ten. Shaun Alexander led the league, with 117.5 yards per game....... a whoping 28.8 more yards per game.

Warrick Dunn, Cadillac, McGahee, Droughns, JuJones, LaMont Jordan, Steven Jackson, Mike Anderson, & Jamal Lewis, all carried the ball more than DD, and on better teams...... and didn't get 88 yards per carry. None of these guys, would be considered Chumps..... all of them, I believe are considered by most to be franchise backs...
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First off if we traded or cut Davis, it would cost more to do that than keep him. Second, Domanick averaged more carries per game than all of the guys you mentinoned that did not average 88 yards per game, so of course he would average more yards per game than the other guys. And Shaun Alexander might have only averaged 28.8 yards a game more than DD, but he scored 27 TD's compared to DD's 2 TD's. He also averaged one yard per carry more than DD.
 
swtbound07 said:
Tampa Bay-Cadillac Williams and micheal pittman....3 if you call alstott a back
Miami-Ricky Williams(pre suspension), Ronnie Brown
Atlanta-Warrick Dunn, TJ Duckett
Denver-Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson
Tennessee-Travis henry, Chris Brown
St. Louis-Marshall faulk, stephen jackson
Dallas-Julius Jones, MArion barber
New York Giants-Tiki Barber, Branden jacobs

Those are the ones that pop into my head immediately
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Now how many of those guys are making $4 mil a year??

Pittman is a backup/relief runner...... he got 70 attempts last year....... in 16 games. Cadillac had 290 attempts....... hardly a 2 back system.

It's speculation. but I believe Ricky was just supposed to get his trade value up, & try to get some return for what they've paid him. He kinda screwed them again.

Warrick Dunn has never gotten any respect....... they've been trying to replace him since he's gotten into the league...... he's too small, and you wouldn't think he could hold up. Year after year, the little bugger just keeps on ticking, and he proves to be the better back out of whoever they bring in.

Denver: I'll give you that one as well, so that's 2 teams with a 2 back system. but if you watch Denver very long, you'll see last year was simply the changing of the gaurd. Ron Dayne won't get the number of carries M.Anderson had last year. Tatum Bell is their man.

Travis who?? Chris what?? sorry, these two don't belong on the list.

Marshall Faulk........... 4 carries per game. Stephen Jackson...... 16.9.

Marshall is on his way out.... changing of the gaurd, again.

Julius Jones, Marion Barber...... Marion is depth...... JJ will be the guy, so they hope. Marion won't be making $4 mill anytime soon..... may never make $1 mil/year.

Tiki Barber & who??

Sorry, but the best backs in the league has backups, not partners.
 
BREAZE said:
Bush's salary does not cover a RB position alone. Its returner, RB, WR, and maybe even QB one play a game.

DD could be shopped at some point, but so could a pro bowl return man that likes to wreck motorcycles and who doesn't realize the opportunity he has in front of him. In other words, whatever positions Bush can play are up for grabs and will be competed for...
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If Kubiak uses reggie as a return man, then we're all in trouble........

He'll make Capers look like a genius.
 
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