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At #8, we aren't getting Peterson. We aren't getting Thomas.

Russell, Johnson, Anderson or Adams, Branch, and Ginn should all be gone.

So what do we do? Take Quinn and rebuild? Take Landry/Nelson for the secondary? Take Levi Brown for the O-Line? Adams or Anderson for the D-Line?

Lots of questions.
 
If we are stuck in the position that you think we will, with AP, Branch, Russell, Thomas, and Johnson being off the board then I say we drop down a couple of picks still get the same quality of player and get a couple more draft picks to shore up other problems.
 
Buckle said:
If we are stuck in the position that you think we will, with AP, Branch, Russell, Thomas, and Johnson being off the board then I say we drop down a couple of picks still get the same quality of player and get a couple more draft picks to shore up other problems.
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I like your thinking, but as the saying goes, you need to partners to dance. Who will do the two step with us? Miami? Even if they want Quinn(as a certain Dolphins fan has led us to believe), why would they trade with us? They know we have other issues more important than QB. What about Atlanta whom would they so covet to move up? Maybe a WR for Vick to throw to? Maybe, but with Johnson gone, I cant see them trading up for Gin, Jr. SF? They dont need a QB, maybe we can get them interested a DT like Okoye, but then again, he might be a couple of years away(might) and not quite ready to step in. Maybe Gaines Adams? maybe, but he might fall to them anyway. Maybe Carolina at 14 would be salavating to get Brady Quinn, but they are 7 spots away. Thats more then I think you might be thinking. If we can get a solid package from them, Id drop down to Carolina, pick up Levi Brown and go from there. What are your thoughts?
 
pollster said:
At #8, we aren't getting Peterson. We aren't getting Thomas.

Russell, Johnson, Anderson or Adams, Branch, and Ginn should all be gone.

So what do we do? Take Quinn and rebuild? Take Landry/Nelson for the secondary? Take Levi Brown for the O-Line? Adams or Anderson for the D-Line?

Lots of questions.
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I don't think there's one right answer, I think there are several. I have no problems if we choose Brown, Landry, Okoye, or several other players. The only positions I probably wouldn't draft in this spot are WR/TE and maybe QB (I'm not sold on Quinn.) We're going to have a lot of good picks in our position and as long as the player lives up to expectations, we win.

If we can find someone to dance with and trade back for a few more picks, I'd be fine with that, too. People are saying that this draft isn't as talented as last years, but there are still a lot of good players out there.

I expect good things from this draft. Which... could be a bad thing...:wacko:
 
i'm one of those who do not like the idea of drafting brady quinn...i just think he had too much offensive talent around to struggle the way he did against teams like georgia tech, lsu, and michigan...granted those are all good teams but michigan state wasn't and it wasn't until late in the game before he started playing good...so i basically am hoping he is gone before the texans pick so he is eliminated from discussion

landry/nelson would be a good choice because there isn't the top tier FS in free agency that we'll be likely to get...ken hamlin is a UFA but i can't see a scenario where seattle lets him go

adams/anderson i personally think we need an adams type DE over the anderson type...while anderson has tremendous talent and potential we already have a strongside DE in mario...we need the best pass rusher we can get and gaines would be that guy

levi brown...i have been on this board in the recent months promoting this guy and stating that i think if peterson isn't available that we should seriously consider this dude...i still stand firm on that

okoye/branch one of them should still be on the board by the time we pick...the decision to take one of them needs to be based off of the type of defense we want to run here...if we want a tampa 2 type defense okoye is the DT we should be coveting...if we want a more traditional 4-3 defense then branch is the guy...either way the problem here is the same with the adams/anderson scenario...while D-line is need for this team how can you justify continuing to take d-lineman first in your drafts 4 times in a row...to me if we go defense i would rather us going after the safties just to changes things up a bit

so to end this rather lengthy response...if peterson is not available i'm in full support of levi brown being the pick due to the lack of talent we have at the LT position and the lack of talent in this years FA along with the lack of talent in this years draft...if not him then one of the top tier safties
 
At eight their should be a talented guy that can help our team right away.

I would be happy with Landry, Nelson, Okoye, Brown, Lynch, Peterson, Thomas, Anderson, Adams......

That is nine guys that can come in and contribute right away at a good level I would think. Don't think that is too bad a spot.

If we can find a trade down partner, I wouldn't complain either.... make that ten options.
 
pollster said:
At #8, we aren't getting Peterson. We aren't getting Thomas.

Russell, Johnson, Anderson or Adams, Branch, and Ginn should all be gone.

So what do we do? Take Quinn and rebuild? Take Landry/Nelson for the secondary? Take Levi Brown for the O-Line? Adams or Anderson for the D-Line?

Lots of questions.
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I'm with LCROD. If you'd like to have one of the 8 players you just named, then take whichever is still there at 8. You named 8 players.
 
Lynch or Brown should be there based on how it looks like teams may draft, although with the Cards dumping the LT, Brown may not making it past them now. I doubt AP lasts to 8th. Either is fine by me, but probably lean towards Brown more as I think the O-line is the real issue for the offense, but we still need a good RB and I like the total package that Lynch seems to bring. If we take Lynch, then we need to take an O-line guy with the 2nd. The only reason I say this is that I think we address our Defensive backfield more in FA than early in the draft. If we don't do that then a DB/FS is likely at the 2 spot. If that is the case, then I would expect that we probably picked up someone like Sithcomb (sp) and/or Pettigue for the O-line. Until they make the FA moves there are to many variables to be remotly sure the direction we will go. Heck, if we cut Carr it could be a QB at the 1st pick.
 
I like #8. Like it much better than where we were last year.
We will get a good player, probably an immediate starter and an impact player and yet he won't be a severe cap hit, something we now need to consider more than ever.
And yet we are high enough to be attractive as a tradeing partner where we can pick up additional pick(s).
#8 feels good to me.
 
lol - last week i posted that i like the #8 spot - pasted below:

First, let me say that I think we need to deal for more picks, but I like our options:

Top 8:
Will be gone (or we take them anyway): WR Calvin Johnson, OT Joe Thomas
(If the WR somehow fell to us, we could clean up on a trade down)

The Other 6:
QB - Brady Quinn - - JaMarcus Russell
Both should be gone, but seriously, if one of them is there then he is Carr's replacement.

DT - Alan Branch JR DT Michigan - Versatile and could play either tackle or end depending on the scheme. (ths guy has gotten some great reviews)
DE - Jamaal Anderson JR Arkansas
DE - Gaines Adams SR Clemson - Sack artist who could rise if he picks up where he left off as a junior.

RB - Adrian Peterson JR RB Oklahoma
[I want him to fall to us - can we be that lucky?]
Terrific physical specimen and a rare player but durability is a concern.

And a couple that could move up during the draft process:
Amobi Okoye SR DT Louisville - Very talented and unique prospect who will be a 20-year-old rookie.
LaRon Landry SR S L.S.U. - Ballhawk who has been extremely productive throughout his career.
OT Levi Brown - I don't think he fits our system and he is probably a RT - so I doubt he is our guy, but things could always change.

At this time, these guys appear to be the top 8 (per most reviews and websites). So, we either get crazy lucky and get our OT, really lucky and get a stud QB, WR or RB, or we just fill our needs along the DL (our DL is going to eat up our cap - but the team seems determined to make it dominant and any of those 3 listed could get it much closer to that level).

So, we will get a stud player at a decent salary. Sounds good.

But, if we did deal, here are some intriguing trade options based on the draft pick value chart (trading up is not suggested but listed for idea of cost):
NE gives picks 24 and 28 for pick 8.
NYJ gives 25, 37 and 89 for pick 8.
GB or Jax could give their first and second (16/17 and 46/47)for pick 8.
Buff or St.L could give their first and third (12/13 and 76/77)for pick 8.
Hou could give first 3 picks (8, 39, 73) for pick 3 (Cleve or TB).
Hou could give first 2 picks (8, 39) for pick 4 (Cleve or TB).
Hou could give 39 to Denver for 56 and 88.
Hou could give 8 to Denver for 21, 56, and 70.


So - I love the 8 spot. But, I admit I like the idea of rolling the dice with either of the QBs (sometimes qbs pan out and sometimes they don't, but at 8 the salary is lower and the potential reward is huge).
Even ignoring the qbs, worst case would be a stud safety. So, it is a good spot. And, I remember feeling like we had a bad spot when we drafted Dunta(who i didnt have ranked that high) - so we also have to hope they have more info than us.
 
Maybe we can get lucky and some team ahead of us will consult CC and we'll get Russell or Thomas!!!! I'm still firmly hoping we draft BDPA. All the "elite" offensive guys should be gone by #8 and this is a fairly deep draft on the D side of the ball.
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Here is the worst case scenario for us imo.

Players drafted: 7players drafted ahead of us...
Jamarcus Russell
Calvin Johnson
Joe Thomas
Alan Branch
Amobi Okoye
Gaines Adams
Jamaal Anderson

Those are all players i think texans fans would like on our team. So that now leaves the rest for our selection at 8...to name a few...

Brady Quinn
Ted Ginn Jr
Levi Brown
Leon Hall
Darrelle Revis
Laron Landry
Reggie Nelson
Patrick Willis

Depending on what we do in free agency I really think it would come down to Brady Quinn, Levi Brown, Laron Landry, Reggie Nelson (and maybe one of the CB's if they shoot up the boards).

-I can see Kubiak looking at Quinn and thinking how did he fall to us? i can mold him really good and he'll be the best QB in the league in 3 years. so this is the pick
-I can also see Kubiak thinking Levi Brown is the man, he will help our o-line tremendously allowing us to have a running & a passing game. Still unsure of spencer..so this is the pick
-I can also see kubiak thinking well i'm unsure of quinn..lets see about a trade down...it's too high a pick for brown..so lets pick up laron landry..he is solid and will be a great leader in our backfield. having him, demeco, and mario will be amazing...3 really yound...good guys.

There are still some options for us but are very limited. Like i said in a worst case scenario i see us choosing between Quinn, Brown, best Cb, best FS.

what do yall think?
 
4Texans said:
I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down and aquire a couple of draft picks.
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I would love that too. The only problem is finding a trading partner. They have to be willing to trade up for a certain player. With all the 'great' ones gone it'd be a lot less likely for us to trade down. Quinn is the only one i see anybody trading up for in my worst case scenario.

If Peterson fell to us..some team might want to trade for him. If Russell fell to us some team might want to trade for him. If all the players we really want are gone...the chances that the player the other team really wanted would be gone to...thus no trade down possible.

I'd say trade down a few spots so someone grabs Quinn. Then we choose Levi Brown or Laron Landry. That'd be my best scenario for us in the worst scenario for us. lol
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Here is the worst case scenario for us imo.

Players drafted: 7players drafted ahead of us...
Jamarcus Russell
Calvin Johnson
Joe Thomas
Alan Branch
Amobi Okoye
Gaines Adams
Jamaal Anderson

Those are all players i think texans fans would like on our team. So that now leaves the rest for our selection at 8...to name a few...

Brady Quinn
Ted Ginn Jr
Levi Brown
Leon Hall
Darrelle Revis
Laron Landry
Reggie Nelson
Patrick Willis...

what do yall think?
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What no Adrian Peterson?? If hes not picked in the first 7 picks - I definitely go with AP.
 
yup peterson would definitly get picked so who drops? i'd say branch or adams.

from their i think one of them would probably be the pick.
 
XMan here is one you didn't include and one that I really like and will explain at the end.

Texans trade the #8 pick to another team who they think will honesty be a top 20 draft pick next year. My best guess is the Texans could be picking no worse than a top 15 next year. The Texans trade #8 for another teams 2nd and 3rd this year and their 1st RD pick next year.

Why (the explanation), then the Texans would most likely have two mid 1st RD picks or better. They could package them together and move up to take Booty, Brohm or the best available QB and the long term answer to their QB problems. The hard part is finding a team to do the trade but it would be a equal value trade.
 
Texian said:
XMan here is one you didn't include and one that I really like and will explain at the end.

Texans trade the #8 pick to another team who they think will honesty be a top 20 draft pick next year. My best guess is the Texans could be picking no worse than a top 15 next year. The Texans trade #8 for another teams 2nd and 3rd this year and their 1st RD pick next year.

Why (the explanation), then the Texans would most likely have two mid 1st RD picks or better. They could package them together and move up to take Booty, Brohm or the best available QB and the long term answer to their QB problems. The hard part is finding a team to do the trade but it would be a equal value trade.
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Wow, that's thinking outside the box. I like the idea a lot. I'd really like us to have another 2nd round pick this year because there are so many guys i like at the top of the 2nd at least.

off the top of my head, New york giants could be that team that does bad next year? they might like to trade up if peterson falls to us...but then again the giants could do really well.

i like that of having that extra pick next year to trade up for Brohm if he would be the answer for us.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Here is the worst case scenario for us imo.

Players drafted: 7players drafted ahead of us...
Jamarcus Russell
Calvin Johnson
Joe Thomas
Alan Branch
Amobi Okoye
Gaines Adams
Jamaal Anderson

Those are all players i think texans fans would like on our team. So that now leaves the rest for our selection at 8...to name a few...

Brady Quinn
Ted Ginn Jr
Levi Brown
Leon Hall
Darrelle Revis
Laron Landry
Reggie Nelson
Patrick Willis

Depending on what we do in free agency I really think it would come down to Brady Quinn, Levi Brown, Laron Landry, Reggie Nelson (and maybe one of the CB's if they shoot up the boards).

-I can see Kubiak looking at Quinn and thinking how did he fall to us? i can mold him really good and he'll be the best QB in the league in 3 years. so this is the pick
-I can also see Kubiak thinking Levi Brown is the man, he will help our o-line tremendously allowing us to have a running & a passing game. Still unsure of spencer..so this is the pick
-I can also see kubiak thinking well i'm unsure of quinn..lets see about a trade down...it's too high a pick for brown..so lets pick up laron landry..he is solid and will be a great leader in our backfield. having him, demeco, and mario will be amazing...3 really yound...good guys.

There are still some options for us but are very limited. Like i said in a worst case scenario i see us choosing between Quinn, Brown, best Cb, best FS.

what do yall think?
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Good analysis. In this worst case scenario, barring any ofers to trade down, I think you take Levi Brown or Nelson/Landry depending on which position you covet more, what your scouts are saying, and what you did in FA. Really, contrary to the original poster's sentiments, we are in a fantastic situation at the number 8 spot in the draft. Rick Smith has even echoed these sentiments saying that we have a number of instant starters available to us, on top of the fact that we are at a spot that traditionally gets a lot of action as far as trades are concerned.
 
Several options I would do:

1. Trade down and take Darrelle Revis in the 14-18 range. Then with an extra pick, go for Michael Griffin or Brandon Merriweather. That would beef up our secondary.
2. Draft Reggie Nelson
3. Draft LaRon Landry
4. Draft Levi Brown
5. Draft Jamaal Anderson

DL, CB, S, OT, & RB MUST be upgraded. If AD is picked (probably #3) we could go with Michael Bush in the 2nd.
 
Trade #8 to NE for their #24 & #28. Equal value and we REALLY need the extra pick. It would help get the bad taste out of mouth over the P-Burnt fiasco.
 
Texian said:
XMan here is one you didn't include and one that I really like and will explain at the end.

Texans trade the #8 pick to another team who they think will honesty be a top 20 draft pick next year. My best guess is the Texans could be picking no worse than a top 15 next year. The Texans trade #8 for another teams 2nd and 3rd this year and their 1st RD pick next year.

Why (the explanation), then the Texans would most likely have two mid 1st RD picks or better. They could package them together and move up to take Booty, Brohm or the best available QB and the long term answer to their QB problems. The hard part is finding a team to do the trade but it would be a equal value trade.
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I would love that kind of deal if we could do it. The hard part is finding a team willing to deal future #1 picks (a lot them are afraid of their team collapsing and then they look really bad for trading away a top 5 pick). But, there are teams that would deal - so it is worth a shot. Teams like Denver/Seattle/Washington take risks - and that Washington pick could be nice. There may be a few teams that think they are on the cusp that might deal - Seattle(again)/NOrleans/Cincy/Balt/Philly/etc. But, their future #1 should be pretty low - unless injuries hamstrng them.

It could also be #8 for a low first this year (#26 from Philly or #29 from Balt for ex.) and their #1 next year. Then we could either use the pick or trade down again. I would even deal it to a team for their next 2 first round picks (in 2008 and 2009).
 
DocBar said:
Trade #8 to NE for their #24 & #28. Equal value and we REALLY need the extra pick. It would help get the bad taste out of mouth over the P-Burnt fiasco.
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I honestly would like to see this happen, but I do not see NE doing this. NE has more value with 2 low 1st round picks than we do with the 8th pick.
 
The Texans are in a great spot. Not every top-talent player will be taken by the eighth spot. Any top-tier talent player that can bolster the RB, offensive line, defensive line, linebacker, or defensive secondary positions will be an awesome upgrade.

I see:

- The Texans finally answer the line problems by drafting a tackle in the first round. Instantly, the Texans give Carr a major line upgrade and the protection he needs.

- The Texans draft a sensational running back, say by some miracle, Adrian Peterson. Fills what was the most obvious and glaring offensive hole last year and takes pressure off the passing game.

- The Texans draft a DE to create one of the most powerful young DE pairings in the league. This is the focal point of the Texans team - pass rush and run stuffing all in one.

- The Texans draft an elite Defensive Tackle, adding a stop-gap to the pass presence. Again, the Texans line is officially loaded with talent and the focus of a dominant defensive team.

- The Texans draft the best linebacker availabe, providing a great one-two punch in their linebacker corps.

- The Texans draft a Cornerback/Safety, answering many questions they have had over the past three or so years. Quarterbacks of the AFC South beware.
 
santo said:
I honestly would like to see this happen, but I do not see NE doing this. NE has more value with 2 low 1st round picks than we do with the 8th pick.
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I don't think it'll happen, but I wish it would. That's all this mock draft stuff is, anyway-wishlists, regardless of how informed some people are.
 
santo said:
I honestly would like to see this happen, but I do not see NE doing this. NE has more value with 2 low 1st round picks than we do with the 8th pick.
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I do not think we can go with two low picks that might start. We need an IMPACT player in first round this season. One should be there @ #8. Even if Levi Brown or Okoye is reaching, each should be a starter for several years. I see a trade down only if Quinn is there and someone wants him very, very badly.
 
Meloy said:
I do not think we can go with two low picks that might start. We need an IMPACT player in first round this season. One should be there @ #8. Even if Levi Brown or Okoye is reaching, each should be a starter for several years. I see a trade down only if Quinn is there and someone wants him very, very badly.
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I think 24 and 28 would give us two impact starters (since we have holes to fill), with potential to be more.

We could get any of: Houston/Revis CB, Posluzsny/Johnson/Timmons/Willis OLB, Meriweather/Griffin S, variety of OL, Lynch RB, etc.

Polu at OLB and Houston at CB would be strong - then maybe Griffin in the 2nd - add in a FA signing at DE and our D would be strong . . . on paper
 
Meloy said:
I do not think we can go with two low picks that might start. We need an IMPACT player in first round this season. One should be there @ #8. Even if Levi Brown or Okoye is reaching, each should be a starter for several years. I see a trade down only if Quinn is there and someone wants him very, very badly.
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we should be able to have both our 1st & 2nd round picks start day one & hope the 3rd & 4th round guys can step in as well.

here I color coded to match up players if they are selected by the Texans-

8th- Levi Brown, LT Penn State
8th- LaRon Landry, FS LSU
8th- Amobi Okoye, DT Louisville

39th- Chris Houston, CB Arkansas or Jonathan Wade, CB Tennessee
39th- Ryan Kalil, C USC
39th- Kenny Irons, RB Auburn
 
beerlover said:
we should be able to have both our 1st & 2nd round picks start day one & hope the 3rd & 4th round guys can step in as well.

here I color coded to match up players if they are selected by the Texans-

8th- Levi Brown, LT Penn State
8th- LaRon Landry, FS LSU
8th- Amobi Okoye, DT Louisville

39th- Chris Houston, CB Arkansas or Jonathan Wade, CB Tennessee
39th- Ryan Kalil, C USC
39th- Kenny Irons, RB Auburn
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My exact thinking...down to the t.
 
tulexan said:
Or we could take Lynch with the 8th pick. I don't think some people here realize how good he is going to be.
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Well, that is one advantage of having so many holes, we could trade down and try to get him wth a lower pick (and if he is gone, then we fill another hole with BPA). If Lynch is the target, I would say try to trade down to 14/15 (we could ask for a 3rd and 4th to trade down but maybe we are willing to take just the 3rd (or try to get a 3rd next year also) - point trade chart says we should get a 3rd and 4th).

Logis behind targeting spot 15 is Lynch is the target:

There are only a few teams that will consider a RB in the first round (either they have a good one or they have other really pressing needs):

Teams that need RB:
Cleveland (pick 3/4) - they pick in front of us and are the most likely to take AP.
Green Bay (pick 16) - So, we could trade down to 15 and feel safe on Lynch. - the wildcard with GB would be if they trade up.
Giants (20)
Jets (25) - They really need a RB and might deal up - but they have so many holes I doubt they pay the price to move up.
Philly (26)

Teams that have a decent veteran and just drafted a young RB: Atl (Dunn/Norwood), Carolina, NE, Jax, Dallas, Indy, Chic, NO
Teams that have one solid RB: Oakland, Detroit, TB, AX, Wash, Minn, Miami, SF, St.L., Pitt, Cncy, KC, SD, Seattle, Buff
Probably only look for RB after round 1: Balt (JLewis is still solid), Denver (the Bell combo doesnt work but they like lower RBs)

Teams that will look for RB - and might even deal up:
Cleveland - Droughns is not the answer
Green Bay - Ahman is probably gone and not reliable
Philly - Westbrook is solid but they could use a big back
Jets - NEED a RB
Giants - might look for a small back with Tiki gone
 
If we don't get the players we want at the 8 spot, I say we move down and pick up more picks in the middle rounds. We have so many areas of need anyway and I think this draft will be heavy with quality players in the 3rd, 4th rounds.
 
Clash_Fan3605 said:
Several options I would do:

1. Trade down and take Darrelle Revis in the 14-18 range. Then with an extra pick, go for Michael Griffin or Brandon Merriweather. That would beef up our secondary.
2. Draft Reggie Nelson
3. Draft LaRon Landry
4. Draft Levi Brown
5. Draft Jamaal Anderson

DL, CB, S, OT, & RB MUST be upgraded. If AD is picked (probably #3) we could go with Michael Bush in the 2nd.
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I know a lot of people don't believe me, but I really don't thin Micheal Bush gets past the Jets first round pick. They set the selves up for the pcik of the RBs last draft. they've not going to move up for Lynch. And if Bush Tests out well Sunday, why would they pass on the guy ? Curtis is probably done and Bush fits the rooster to a tee. If they know he's going to be long gone in the second round by the time they pick again, why would they let him float on by to give someone else a shot at him in the top of the second ? There will be tallent on the board with their first second round pick. The running backs however, are going to start to fall.
 
keyfro said:
i'm one of those who do not like the idea of drafting brady quinn...i just think he had too much offensive talent around to struggle the way he did against teams like georgia tech, lsu, and michigan...granted those are all good teams but michigan state wasn't and it wasn't until late in the game before he started playing good...so i basically am hoping he is gone before the texans pick so he is eliminated from discussion

Quinn probably could have one of those games but it seemed like every BIG game Notre Dames defense played garbage. It seemed like they were always playing while behind.
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