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CloakNNNdagger said:
RTP (and performance level) can only be determined by real game play...............not by medical staff physicals. If a player can walk and run, they are likely to pass the physical.
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That's the truth! Until a player participates in game-related football activities, who knows how the injured area will respond. With Brown, it's only a $3M gamble, but the team already has an idea what the return to play and performance trajectory looks like for an offensive tackle with that type of injury.
 
badboy said:
To voke or not to voke, that is the question! I keep telling you my friend to stop voking; and if you would stop voking, you wouldn't have to go back and redo anything. Also, I would stay completely away from anything dealing with sausage or you could turn out to be cannibal. Just a thought.
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Food for thought…wait I don’t want to eat myself for thinking. I will just invoke your voting ban and call it a day.
 
JB said:
ACL was once a career ender also
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ACLs are also a lot more common. Maybe surgeons just don't see PTs or QTs, in NFL-caliber athletes, to refine their techniques as they have with ACLs, etc.
 
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cland said:
I feel like his extremely low salary on a one year deal needs to be taken into account. When you take the 55.4% return rate and a salary that is up to 3M I feel it's worth it.

I'd hypothetically take take 3 Trent Browns for up to 9M and have a 156.2% chance that you'll get a year out of one of them. (I realize RTP is one game, but I haven't seen numbers for a full year.)

We also haven't taken into account that the Texans medical staff have given Brown a physical, so that should improve the RTP number by some (unknown) amount.

At the end of the day you have to hope for some luck (A perfectly healthy OT can pull their ACL in training camp.) Bringing in veteran starters on a cheap one-year deal is going to require some good fortune.
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That math isn't mathing very well for me. I see what you did. It just doesn't make sense to me.
 
DocBar said:
That math isn't mathing very well for me. I see what you did. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Maybe the answer is LT = √(RTP²x3)?

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DocBar said:
That math isn't mathing very well for me. I see what you did. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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So I've started this poker game I'll send you the invite... bring lots of cash. :fingergun:

My overall point was that the value is worth the risk. If 3M gets you a solid tackle a third of the time, I'd make that bet.
 
badboy said:
What is the increased chance of those 3 players being hurt again? 2 or 3 times more likely? Getting 6 games out of each gets a healthy season? You more likely get 8 to 9 games total.
I'm not against Robinson or Brown particularly not against $3 m for Trent. If it stops Nick drafting OL, then I have more to say.
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Not only that , ol need cohesion. DL normally rotate guys in and out, but oline works on a string
 
The1ApplePie said:
Solid, cheap move. Considering the draft is maybe two good tackles, a hurt guy, and a bunch that will make better guards, I like it. Gives the Texans the option of taking a WR in the first, since one of Burden/Golden/Ohio St. Guy I can't spell will be there.
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It would take a lot of unpredicted moves for the Texans not to be able to get a very good player at 25. It just may not be the one we want or expect.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Solid, cheap move. Considering the draft is maybe two good tackles, a hurt guy, and a bunch that will make better guards, I like it. Gives the Texans the option of taking a WR in the first, since one of Burden/Golden/Ohio St. Guy I can't spell will be there.
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It would be nice if one of the receivers or tight ends fell. I'd like them to have a few options at 25
 
BullRushTX said:
It would be nice if one of the receivers or tight ends fell. I'd like them to have a few options at 25
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Currently, there are several good wide receivers in round 3. Take that position and offensive line off the high priority need and that suggests trade down in round one and round two in my view. I believe there will be several applicants that want to trade up to 25 and 58.
 
Jaylin Noel & Kyle Williams in later rounds plus Skattebo in round 3 with Charles Grant in third?
 
I would be happily surprised if Brown played well, especially for a full season. I dont think he will fully get the strength fully back in his leg and him being such a huge man playing on a weakened leg doesn't bode well for Trent's future IMHO. I hope I'm wrong.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The return rate for patellar rupture is 55.4% (not 58%) [keep in mind that return to play was defined as returning to play in only at least 1 regular season game after injury.] And QT (quadriceps tendon) injuries resulted in a greater rate of return to prior performance level and a quicker return to performance compared with PT (patellar tendon) injuries.

In the actual raw data of the study (not posted in the abstract), it reveals that only 1 Olineman returned to play as many games in a season as pre-injury, and only 2 returned to close to preinjury performance level after 2 years post injury (only 1 after 1 year post injury).
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And this is why I always look forward to your posts. Have some hope an injury to a Texans player isn't that bad? Well, stop right there, Cloak is going to set you straight and ground those hopes into a fine mist and scatter them along the Galveston island coastline. LOL. In all seriousness, I truly appreciate your insight here and your injury prognostications are things of legend around here. You are the expert here when it comes to those things, but I'll keep mainlining that Texans Kool-Aid until I lose hope for the season (usually around Week 11).

badboy said:
The Texans and player have to have the same information. In your opinion, why do they make this type of move? Is it strictly because it seems to be low risk money wise? Is Trent Brown the player delusional or just greedy or just believes he can be the outlier? I suppose he could be all three.
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I think a big part of this "overhaul" with injured players/"has beens"/"never was-es" was culture reset. I think they are picking veterans that they know are grinders to surround the young guys on the roster and presumably the players they draft this year. We look at the players they signed and rightfully think they won't be anywhere as good as they were, but the Texans organization may be thinking they just need some leadership in that room. The way Nick talks about Juice leads me to believe that he doesn't think they've got the most out of him. We shall see who is correct.
 
House of Pain said:
And this is why I always look forward to your posts. Have some hope an injury to a Texans player isn't that bad? Well, stop right there, Cloak is going to set you straight and ground those hopes into a fine mist and scatter them along the Galveston island coastline. LOL. In all seriousness, I truly appreciate your insight here and your injury prognostications are things of legend around here. You are the expert here when it comes to those things, but I'll keep mainlining that Texans Kool-Aid until I lose hope for the season (usually around Week 11).


I think a big part of this "overhaul" with injured players/"has beens"/"never was-es" was culture reset. I think they are picking veterans that they know are grinders to surround the young guys on the roster and presumably the players they draft this year. We look at the players they signed and rightfully think they won't be anywhere as good as they were, but the Texans organization may be thinking they just need some leadership in that room. The way Nick talks about Juice leads me to believe that he doesn't think they've got the most out of him. We shall see who is correct.
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Agreed, this really comes down to being a smarter ol. Is Scruggs a smart guy and can he stay healthy? So far the results aren't promising.
 
thunderkyss said:
He’s played 3 different positions in two seasons. Sounds like he was playing for a group of dummies with poor planning skills.
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They wanted him to be the long term center, but he was to dumb to make the ol calls. Hopefully this won't be an issue at OG. What would you think if they went into next year with Howard at LG and Scruggs at RG, with Tomlinson and Ingram in reserve?
 
steelbtexan said:
They wanted him to be the long term center, but he was to dumb to make the ol calls. Hopefully this won't be an issue at OG. What would you think if they went into next year with Howard at LG and Scruggs at RG, with Tomlinson and Ingram in reserve?
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I was hoping they’d leave him at RG for divisional round. That was the best OL configuration of the season. Let him compete for the spot in camp.
 
steelbtexan said:
They wanted him to be the long term center, but he was to dumb to make the ol calls. Hopefully this won't be an issue at OG. What would you think if they went into next year with Howard at LG and Scruggs at RG, with Tomlinson and Ingram in reserve?
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C'mon , dumb? How about overthinking?
 
leebigeztx said:
C'mon , dumb? How about overthinking?
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Call it what you want, he obviously wasn't getting the job done and the false start issues stopped after Patterson took over at C. Hopefully he can stay healthy and be the long term answer at RG. He doesn't need to be playing C except in cases of emergency.
 
steelbtexan said:
Call it what you want, he obviously wasn't getting the job done and the false start issues stopped after Patterson took over at C. Hopefully he can stay healthy and be the long term answer at RG. He doesn't need to be playing C except in cases of emergency.
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Alot of issues they had looked like players had different line calls. They all were in different level during pass pro. They never seemed to create that cup, especially on twists and stunts. I'm not saying it was Strausser or Slowik fault alone, but something was being lost
 
leebigeztx said:
Alot of issues they had looked like players had different line calls. They all were in different level during pass pro. They never seemed to create that cup, especially on twists and stunts. I'm not saying it was Strausser or Slowik fault alone, but something was being lost
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I'm thinking Strausser and Slowik know what they're doing. Scruggs was unable to grasp what he was being taught. Patterson was able to grasp what he was being taught.
 
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