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DocBar

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You could also offer your first for the next year as well. 4 firsts with three in the draft you're in would get you to #3 at least.
Trouble is, the higher up the draft order you go, the more desperate for a QB those teams will be and they just may refuse outright to trade with you.
And four firsts is pretty expensive for an unproven candidate.
That's a great way to squander draft picks. I'm checking out the projected 2024 class of QB prospects right now. Not really seeing one worth that kind of draft capital but we've got to wait for the 2023 season to play out.
 

steelbtexan

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You could also offer your first for the next year as well. 4 firsts with three in the draft you're in would get you to #3 at least.
Trouble is, the higher up the draft order you go, the more desperate for a QB those teams will be and they just may refuse outright to trade with you.
And four firsts is pretty expensive for an unproven candidate.
I can guarantee you that in the top 3 there will be one team that's willing to trade down and probably another that wants another player like some team will want Anderson in this yrs draft so a QB will fall another spot or two. So if there are 3 QB's, one will fall to say #5-6 so you will be able to get your guy, particularly with four 1st rd picks in hand.
 

Texansphan

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That's a great way to squander draft picks. I'm checking out the projected 2024 class of QB prospects right now. Not really seeing one worth that kind of draft capital but we've got to wait for the 2023 season to play out.
That's why I'm thinking we're in the best position to draft one now. There's no guarantee you're going to get one next year and it could hobble your rebuild for another year after that.
 

Texansballer74

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That's why I'm thinking we're in the best position to draft one now. There's no guarantee you're going to get one next year and it could hobble your rebuild for another year after that.
Heck yeah we’re in the best position to draft one now. And why put off what you can do now for later. Get that skit done right now Coach Ryans. Bump waiting until 2024. What some people fail to realize T, is we’re loaded with draft capital. We might not be able to fill ever hole, but you surly can draft those core players.
 
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steelbtexan

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That's why I'm thinking we're in the best position to draft one now. There's no guarantee you're going to get one next year and it could hobble your rebuild for another year after that.
You know what else could hobble the rebuild?

Picking an avg QB at 1-2 in this yrs draft.
 

KA4Texan

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You know what else could hobble the rebuild?

Picking an avg QB at 1-2 in this yrs draft.
This is why I am indifferent
While I don't particularly want them to go QB at 1-2....

Id rather they focus on a solid foundation befpre building upon it so when their guy DOES come along he has everything (or mostly everything) he needs to succeed..... but if their guy is in this draft.... I wont cry if they take QB 1-2.

I just don't want them taking QB cause its expected.
 

badboy

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That's why I'm thinking we're in the best position to draft one now. There's no guarantee you're going to get one next year and it could hobble your rebuild for another year after that.
Yeah, if i am going to start throwing picks at quarterback , it would be only one this draft and IF that failed, only one in 2024. What happened to the excitement about new WCO and how these coaches can improve even Mills? All of these QBs can be better in this system or we should begin looking for another staff immediately. If Hooker passes medical, he has as much a ceiling as others.
 

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You know what else could hobble the rebuild?

Picking an avg QB at 1-2 in this yrs draft.
Understanding you have your own analysis, still, if you combine the profiles of the '23 & '24 qbs, Young ranks second only to Williams, but ahead of those other qbs you like.
 

steelbtexan

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Understanding you have your own analysis, still, if you combine the profiles of the '23 & '24 qbs, Young ranks second only to Williams, but ahead of those other qbs you like.
Apparently there's some love of midget porn.

Hopefully the Colts trade up for him and the temptation is removed.
 

Texansphan

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You know what else could hobble the rebuild?

Picking an avg QB at 1-2 in this yrs draft.
Yeah, there's always that. Sure it is our top pick, but it is only one pick.
I think we will win too many games to finish in the top ten drafting positions next year and if you absolutely must draft one, it's gonna cost you to go get a good one.
 

steelbtexan

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Yeah, there's always that. Sure it is our top pick, but it is only one pick.
I think we will win too many games to finish in the top ten drafting positions next year and if you absolutely must draft one, it's gonna cost you to go get a good one.
What makes you think they will be picked out of the top 10-12?
 

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Just to play devils advocate.

31 other teams also believe they added "quality young guys" and expect to see "Improved play" from the coaching on down.

Some are right, some are gonna be looking foolish.

Do I like what I see so far? Mostly. Yes.

However, personally I still expect growing pains. I expect next season to look more promising than good. I still think we end up with a low enough pick that if their guy is in next draft cycle, paired with the Browns 1st.... we still have some bargaining power.

Add in that the foundation you build this draft would have had a year of growth in the NFL. Neither outcome is guaranteed to pay off... but I'd think the odds of building a foundation through the draft THEN acquiring your QB is a better path to success than drafting the QB and hope he swims rather than sinks.

I could be way off but thats how I see it.

Early round QB are no strangers to busting. A solid foundation with protection/targets even if the QB isn't your future... can make the season more bearable.

And at least then, you really are a QB away.
 

steelbtexan

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None of those quarterbacks are average. The same could be said with any other player being drafted in the first round. It’s a crap shoot, hit or miss.
I think they will be 10-15 range which is pretty avg. You dont I get it.

I'm actually looking forward to giving whoever the new QB is, the Mills treatment. This should be very entertaining.
 

sandman

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What is the Mills' treatment? Is that really a thing?
Depends on who you ask.

The Mills Treatment by his supporters is to continually make excuses for his on the field performance. Which was lacking and worthy of criticism regardless of the difficult situation.

The Mills Treatment by his detractors is to constantly point out that on field performance while never acknowledging that he was put in a difficult situation.

The truth is somewhere in the middle of both of those positions. The situation sucked. He didn't show enough. Not that he didn't show anything. Just not enough. It's just business.
 
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steelbtexan

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What is the Mills' treatment? Is that really a thing?
I'm expecting the new QB to be like a vet QB after 5-6 games and if something goes wrong like pressure because the center gets blown up or Cooks drops a ball because it's below his waste but still hits him in the hands, it's the QB's fault. Just like last yr basically.
 

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The Athletic polled nine people — a combination of general managers, personnel executives, head coaches and assistant coaches who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely — with a simple question: Who was your favorite head-coaching hire?

Panthers head coach Frank Reich received 5.5 votes to edge out DeMeco Ryans (3.5 votes) of the Texans. (One executive split his vote between the two.) Sean Payton (Broncos), Shane Steichen (Colts) and Jonathan Gannon (Cardinals) did not receive any votes. No one from the coaches’ current or most recent organizations was polled to avoid personal biases.

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Ryans, who played for the Texans for six of his 10 seasons in the league, spent the past two years as the 49ers’ defensive coordinator. The 38-year-old has been tabbed as a premium head-coaching candidate since the 2021 season, and he has also assembled a strong staff.

“I love DeMeco,” an executive said. “He is a leader, motivator and can maximize his players.”

Naturally, there were questions about the direction of the Texans organization. They have had back-to-back one-and-done head coaches — just the third time that’s happened since the 1970 merger — and are a league-worst 11-38-1 over the past three seasons.

But there is a resounding belief in Ryans, and the Texans should be able to find a franchise quarterback with the No. 2 pick in the draft. As an added boost, Ryans is regarded as a hometown hero because of his playing career, so his arrival should restore some faith among the fan base.

“DeMeco will be a good coach, and (general manager) Nick Caserio, contrary to public gripes, is a phenomenal person to work with who will be a great help,” an assistant coach said. “They should work well together but need time.”

Ryans led the NFL’s top-ranked defense in yards and points allowed last season. Aside from the 49ers’ waves of talent, a coach whose team played against them last season said Ryans does a good job of putting his players in positions to be successful.

Their scheme wasn’t overly complicated, but they were well coached and good at what they were instructed to do. Ryans understood how opposing offenses would try to beat their coverages, so they spent the practice week just repping against those route concepts over and over again. They were afforded that time because they were so comfortable with their system in the early going.

That will take time for the Texans as they work to restock their roster, of course.

“DeMeco is a perfect fit,” a second executive said.
 

badboy

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Just to play devils advocate.

31 other teams also believe they added "quality young guys" and expect to see "Improved play" from the coaching on down.

Some are right, some are gonna be looking foolish.

Do I like what I see so far? Mostly. Yes.

However, personally I still expect growing pains. I expect next season to look more promising than good. I still think we end up with a low enough pick that if their guy is in next draft cycle, paired with the Browns 1st.... we still have some bargaining power.

Add in that the foundation you build this draft would have had a year of growth in the NFL. Neither outcome is guaranteed to pay off... but I'd think the odds of building a foundation through the draft THEN acquiring your QB is a better path to success than drafting the QB and hope he swims rather than sinks.

I could be way off but thats how I see it.

Early round QB are no strangers to busting. A solid foundation with protection/targets even if the QB isn't your future... can make the season more bearable.

And at least then, you really are a QB away.
Again I ask why get your QB or build foundation 🤔? Why not both? If Stroud, Young or Levis at 2; Quentin Johnson at 12 as many are suggesting; 33 + two thirds and a 4th can bring starters, and then a backup RB or corner in round 5.

Cooks may decide to stay and Okoronkwu should return.

Free agency can bring a center, RG and at least one high profile Dlineman. Payne and Edmunds stop the run issue.
 

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Again I ask why get your QB or build foundation 🤔? Why not both? If Stroud, Young or Levis at 2; Quentin Johnson at 12 as many are suggesting; 33 + two thirds and a 4th can bring starters, and then a backup RB or corner in round 5.

Cooks may decide to stay and Okoronkwu should return.

Free agency can bring a center, RG and at least one high profile Dlineman. Payne and Edmunds stop the run issue.
Ideally, yes... you fix both QB and foundational issues at the same time and turn a rebuild year into a miracle year.

Problem is, though it may be entirely possible to fix the team in one draft, its not very probable because the odds of hitting it perfect in the draft aren't in our favor.

IF they go QB #1-2 I wont be mad, but IMO if they go QB they either got their guy or they are hoping for a miracle to win now. IF they got their guy, great. IF they are trying to rush a rebuild I become concerned, I want them to win as much as any fan... but I would rather they do it right than fast.... if both are possible... then absolutely.
 

badboy

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Ideally, yes... you fix both QB and foundational issues at the same time and turn a rebuild year into a miracle year.

Problem is, though it may be entirely possible to fix the team in one draft, its not very probable because the odds of hitting it perfect in the draft aren't in our favor.

IF they go QB #1-2 I wont be mad, but IMO if they go QB they either got their guy or they are hoping for a miracle to win now. IF they got their guy, great. IF they are trying to rush a rebuild I become concerned, I want them to win as much as any fan... but I would rather they do it right than fast.... if both are possible... then absolutely.
You keep going to extremes. I never said fix the team or have a miracle year in 2023. However we can start a rookie quarterback behind a solid offensive line with good receivers and a deep core of running backs.
 

KA4Texan

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You keep going to extremes. I never said fix the team or have a miracle year in 2023. However we can start a rookie quarterback behind a solid offensive line with good receivers and a deep core of running backs.
How do I "keep going to extremes"? I made one post...not exactly a long track record of extremisim.

In my one post it was to simply illustrate that we have much better odds of fixing foundational issues rather than hoping we strike QB gold.

IF improvement is all you are looking for, you still dont need to take a QB #1-2 over all in order to do so. There is FA and later rounds.

IF Mills last season is the bar to improve upon its not very high for most to qualify as "improvement"
 

badboy

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How do I "keep going to extremes"? I made one post...not exactly a long track record of extremisim.

In my one post it was to simply illustrate that we have much better odds of fixing foundational issues rather than hoping we strike QB gold.

IF improvement is all you are looking for, you still dont need to take a QB #1-2 over all in order to do so. There is FA and later rounds.

IF Mills last season is the bar to improve upon its not very high for most to qualify as "improvement"
One post but two extremes 🙂. You said 1. Fix team.. no one thinks a great let alone good off season will fix this team but it can be made much, much better. 2024 offseason is where the team should be fixed.

IF we don't get QB now and then miss in 2024 draft for whatever reason, I doubt many want to be hoping for a QB in 2025.

2. Turn rebuild into miracle team this season is about extreme as one can get.

Didn't mean to attack but I had already read another thread with posters indicating one or the other...

QB or trenches. We've got the $, players are there to get and we now should have coaching staff players will want to come here to play for. We better hit it out of ball park by May 1st.
 

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Again I ask why get your QB or build foundation 🤔? Why not both? If Stroud, Young or Levis at 2; Quentin Johnson at 12 as many are suggesting; 33 + two thirds and a 4th can bring starters, and then a backup RB or corner in round 5.
I’d be fine with that if DeMeco were here last season and the “systems” & schemes were in place. Where most of the team knew what to do & we’re only integrating a few pieces.

I just don’t like “everyone” trying to learn at the same time. Then you’re making a dozen adjustments every week & it’s harder to figure out what is working and what isn’t.

QB has so much to learn I’d rather everyone else not be learning their little parts at the same time
 

badboy

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I’d be fine with that if DeMeco were here last season and the “systems” & schemes were in place. Where most of the team knew what to do & we’re only integrating a few pieces.

I just don’t like “everyone” trying to learn at the same time. Then you’re making a dozen adjustments every week & it’s harder to figure out what is working and what isn’t.

QB has so much to learn I’d rather everyone else not be learning their little parts at the same time
If everyone knew what to do last year and we had that record I'm OK with trying with a team that doesn't know anything.
 

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One post but two extremes 🙂. You said 1. Fix team.. no one thinks a great let alone good off season will fix this team but it can be made much, much better. 2024 offseason is where the team should be fixed.

IF we don't get QB now and then miss in 2024 draft for whatever reason, I doubt many want to be hoping for a QB in 2025.

2. Turn rebuild into miracle team this season is about extreme as one can get.

Didn't mean to attack but I had already read another thread with posters indicating one or the other...

QB or trenches. We've got the $, players are there to get and we now should have coaching staff players will want to come here to play for. We better hit it out of ball park by May 1st.
IF we cant get a deal done with our first and the Browns first next year..... then clearly they aren't in as desperate need for a QB as we thought and spending the #2 on a QB this time around still isn't necessary.

IF we can do both, Im for it... as I previously said..... I wont be mad if we go QB, I actually expect they do. I just hope its the guy they want.
 

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IF we cant get a deal done with our first and the Browns first next year..... then clearly they aren't in as desperate need for a QB as we thought and spending the #2 on a QB this time around still isn't necessary.

IF we can do both, Im for it... as I previously said..... I wont be mad if we go QB, I actually expect they do. I just hope its the guy they want.
Dont worry, they have plenty of draft capital to trade up in 2024 and get the QB they want and there will be atleast 3 better than any QB in this class. There are some posters that like midget porn and believe in unicorns. They also like to put themselves through mental masturbation every 3 or so yrs. They are impatient and want instant gratification. Thing they dont realize there's probably more risk involved in taking a QB this yr vs waiting and risk picking a QB in the 2024 draft.

I mean really? Picking a 5'10 185-190 pound QB at 1-2? SMH
 

Earl34

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I'm expecting the new QB to be like a vet QB after 5-6 games and if something goes wrong like pressure because the center gets blown up or Cooks drops a ball because it's below his waste but still hits him in the hands, it's the QB's fault. Just like last yr basically.
It sounds no different than the Schaub or Derrick treatment. In fact, it sounds very similar to the treatment the majority of starting QBs get.

At the end of the day, Mills have now started 26 games. Ironically, you gave up on Watson after the Carolina game in his 3rd season after he was sacked 6 times and had started only 26 NFL games. Seems like your tolerance for the performance of a young QB has evolved. :kitten:
 

Texansballer74

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It sounds no different than the Schaub or Derrick treatment. In fact, it sounds very similar to the treatment the majority of starting QBs get.

At the end of the day, Mills have now started 26 games. Ironically, you gave up on Watson after the Carolina game in his 3rd season after he was sacked 6 times and had started only 26 NFL games. Seems like your tolerance for the performance of a young QB has evolved. :kitten:
Let us draft Young or Stroud. That tolerance metric will swing back to the way it was with Watson.
 

steelbtexan

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It sounds no different than the Schaub or Derrick treatment. In fact, it sounds very similar to the treatment the majority of starting QBs get.

At the end of the day, Mills have now started 26 games. Ironically, you gave up on Watson after the Carolina game in his 3rd season after he was sacked 6 times and had started only 26 NFL games. Seems like your tolerance for the performance of a young QB has evolved. :kitten:
Derrick did start for 3 years in college.

And he had Foster/Hopkins WFV etc .. to work with.

I'm not saying I think Mills is the future at QB. I don't think he got a fair chance with the coaching and talent around him being subpar.

When did some on here start griping about the Mills pick? They weren't happy even though he had the best rookie season of any QB.

It's not just Mills, it's the difference in the way Culley was treated vs the way Ryans will be treated.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Just so we're clear here, McNairs have always made the head coach hires. Nick didn't hire Lovie as DC or HC, didn't hire Culley.

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Matt Schaub on Texans’ hiring DeMeco Ryans: ‘One of the better decisions that has been made around there .. he’s walked in their footsteps’

HOUSTON – The new quarterback was about to meet the quarterback of the Texans’ defense. Acquired in a trade from the Atlanta Falcons and installed as the replacement for David Carr, Matt Schaub was eager to indoctrinate himself into the offense and get to know his new teammates.

“Coming in as the new quarterback, a priority of mine was to get to know my new teammates,” Schaub said in a telephone interview from his home in Atlanta. “Knowing DeMeco had already established himself as the leader on defense, I could tell he was wise beyond his years. He saw the game like a seven-year or eight-year vet and he had just finished his rookie season. It was telling how he worked at the game, not just as a middle linebacker. He wanted to know everything he could about football, both sides of the football. He was always asking, ‘Hey, what are you guys doing with that formation?’ He was so immersed in the chess game. It was so impressive to watch and communicate with him. We had such a great relationship.”

Fast forward to now and Ryans, 38, is the sixth head coach in franchise history with the AFC South franchise optimistic that he’ll provide strong leadership and stabilize a team that has gone 11-38-1 over the past three seasons. Signed to a six-year contract, Ryans figures to have a long runway to build the team in his vision.

“I think hiring DeMeco was one of the better decisions that has been made around there,” Schaub said. Why? It all comes back to Ryans’ credibility and roots in Houston as an accomplished former player, his personality as an authentic, relatable leader not far removed from playing the game at an elite level as a former NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year and his handiwork as the architect of the San Francisco 49ers’ top-ranked defense and NFL Assistant Coach of the year. Schaub emphasized the intellectual, ultra-detailed nature of Ryans’ approach to football,

“He’s one of the few in this newer generation of coaches who has most recently played at a high level,” Schaub said. “He doesn’t have to coach. He wants to coach. He dove right into it and got into the mix. He wanted to ascend. He wanted to learn. His passion that he played with, it shows in his coaching ability and coaching style. That jumps out to you with that passion. He had that same smile you saw in his introductory press conference in the fourth quarter against the Colts. He was enjoying it all and loving the game. That credibility and authenticity, hes’ going to be that way all the time. That’s who he is. He’s sat in those seats in that exact same room, that linebacker room. He’s walked in their footsteps. That carries a lot of weight. He coached at a high level in San Francisco. He has that track record as a coach. You can’t help but respect that and bust your tail for a coach like that. He’s seen it. He knows what it should look like. You’re going to buy into that and he’s going to bring out the best in you.”

Days before Ryans was hired by Texans chairman and CEO Cal McNair by popular acclaim, excitement was spreading among his former teammates. Schaub and several former Texans players, including tight ends Owen Daniels and Garrett Graham and punter Shane Lechler, attended a retirement dinner for defensive end J.J. Watt at B&B Butchers in Houston. Ryans kept coming up in conversation as they reminisced.

“We were all catching up on old times,” said Schaub, a candidate for NFL Players Association executive director. “We’ve all gone in different directions in our careers and retirements. We knew DeMeco coming back as the coach was floating around. It was awesome to see it come to fruition. When you have a guy who you can connect with who’s lived the same experience, that’s so valuable. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him as a leader and how much passion he brought to the every-day grind. To see him in every kind of setting and scene from training camp to games, you know what he’ll bring to the Texans. It doesn’t happen overnight. There’s a lot of building to be done, but DeMeco will piece it together. I have so much confidence and belief in him as a person.”
 

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True but I think this time it’s different.
I have to agree, Lovie lost me game one. I still was willing to give him the season but I think Lovie is the fastest I have ever soured on a HC.

Ryans would have to equate to the entirety of OB era failures and idiocy condensed into game one in order for him to beat that record set by Lovie.

Possible, but highly unlikely.
 

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I had to do a double take on that picture.

At first I wondered why the weed dude was flipping me off.

Scrolling on a phone can sometimes lead to mistaken messages.
 


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