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Week 5 QB Cutups (All 22)

Nitrofish

Nitrofish

Let The Big Fish Eat!
Man what can you say. You are playing your biggest division rival at home, and your head coach decides to yank his starting QB after a vicious roughing the passer penalty and put in Hoyer the Destroyer for the rest of the game. It would be a great nickname if it was not for the fact that the destroyer part is talking about his own team.

I've been off the board since the game and have not had a chance to catch up on what I will assume is not going to be pleasant, so I am not going to break down these plays with time codes. I'm just disgusted a guy can be 7/10 with a 7.1 YPA, get speared in the ribs and then not be allowed to continue. I am beginning to believe O'Brien is deliberately trying to sabotage the team for the best draft position he can get. I don't know how else to explain the decisions this man makes. Or the braniac who came up with the idea to put Hal into the game and neither he, nor Jackson decide to cover Dre in the end zone. Leave it to the Texans to make Dre look like a viable threat. This is nothing short of a royal cluster f*ck. Thanks O'Brien!

The defense sucks from top to bottom. Look for the defense snaps in a later video. It's horrendous, and it's killing any chance of winning a game.

 
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Mallett's 3 incompletions were thus:

1. A pass to Mumphrey along the sideline/end zone that went out of bounds, inc.

2. A pass to Foster in the red zone that got butterfingered into an INT.

3. Pass to Foster in the flat that fell short as Mallett gets speared in the ribs.

When Mallett took a breather and Hoyer came in, it was 13-0 and time to start slinging it. IMO, the strategy switched because of the score and Foster and the running game was not cutting it. Hoyer came in and started going vertical which was somewhat refreshing. I for one thought, Ok, this is kinda interesting.... I think it was just bad timing on Mallett's part that he was briefly injured when he was else, he could have been the one to start throwing it around.... Hoyer comes in and throws 31 passes in about 2.5 quarters....
 
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If Brian Hoyer stinks it up against the Jaguars and we lose to drop our record to 1-5 what will Bill O'Brien do then? Go back to Ryan Mallett for the next game? Maybe he'll pull Hoyer during the game. We may go 1-15 this season regardless of who's at quarterback. This quarterback BS is just over-shadowing how bad our entire team is. We're a 1-15 team I'm worried about. That would be our worst record in franchise history. Making our 2-14 teams in 2005 and 2013 look better.
 
mridge01 said:
How can anyone argue that Hoyer was not more effective than Mallett. Sitting Mallett was the right call.
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They are separate issues like CAK said.

However, the offense visibly ran smoother with Hoyer at the helm. However again, he conveniently ended the Texans chances with a boneheaded play, allowing many to focus on that play rather than the rest of his game.

I really didn't expect to see an "unbiased" breakdown of the quarterback play this week. It isn't any fun when the conclusion could turn out to be Hoyer looked adequate.*

*adequate bring the high-water malrk for Texans quarterbacks this year.
 
infantrycak said:
Two separate issues:

Not putting Mallett back in the game.

What Hoyer did with his time.
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Hoyer was putting points up and Mallett wasn't. Granted Foster screwed him with not hauling in the pass on the first drive, but after that he did nothing. Hoyer was moving the team down the field and scoring points. Why should Mallett return?
 
Runner said:
They are separate issues like CAK said.

However, the offense visibly ran smoother with Hoyer at the helm. However again, he conveniently ended the Texans chances with a boneheaded play, allowing many to focus on that play rather than the rest of his game.

I really didn't expect to see an "unbiased" breakdown of the quarterback play this week. It isn't any fun when the conclusion could turn out to be Hoyer looked adequate.*

*adequate bring the high-water malrk for Texans quarterbacks this year.
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I'll easily give Hoyer adequate. Pretty much always said that - and adequate is his ceiling.
 
mridge01 said:
Hoyer was putting points up and Mallett wasn't. Granted Foster screwed him with not hauling in the pass on the first drive, but after that he did nothing. Hoyer was moving the team down the field and scoring points. Why should Mallett return?
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Please stop trying to sell the points thing this week. Only the blind luck of 2 busted plays got Hoyer/Strong points.

Nvm
 
Arky said:
Mallett's 3 incompletions were thus:

1. A pass to Mumphrey along the sideline/end zone that went out of bounds, inc.

2. A pass to Foster in the red zone that got butterfingered into an INT.

3. Pass to Foster in the flat that fell short as Mallett gets speared in the ribs.

When Mallett took a breather and Hoyer came in, it was 13-0 and time to start slinging it. IMO, the strategy switched because of the score and Foster and the running game was not cutting it. Hoyer came in and started going vertical which was somewhat refreshing. I for one thought, Ok, this is kinda interesting.... I think it was just bad timing on Mallett's part that he was briefly injured when he was else, he could have been the one to start throwing it around.... Hoyer comes in and throws 31 passes in about 2.5 quarters....
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Vertical? Are we watching the same cutups? The one time he went vertical he overthrew Hopkins. The rest of the stuff is crossing routes and dump offs to RB's. Hoyer had a few decent throws in there, the rest were adequate as has been mentioned.

The Texans with Mallett should get the defensive personnel they want on the field and then go up tempo allowing no substitutions. It's what Mallett does best and they should play to that strength, but they don't. I keep waiting on these "multiple" game plans O'Brien talks about. But the only thing multiple I have seen is QB's. Being down 13-0 in the 2nd quarter is not something to panic over, have your starter who you have game planning with all week take a roughing penalty and decide to put Hoyer in and start slingin' it. That's bad football.
 
Runner said:
They are separate issues like CAK said.

However, the offense visibly ran smoother with Hoyer at the helm. However again, he conveniently ended the Texans chances with a boneheaded play, allowing many to focus on that play rather than the rest of his game.

I really didn't expect to see an "unbiased" breakdown of the quarterback play this week. It isn't any fun when the conclusion could turn out to be Hoyer looked adequate.*

*adequate bring the high-water malrk for Texans quarterbacks this year.
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Agree with the above.

I respect and enjoy that somebody has the passion to do all the work it takes to make these videos possible. But I also see a heavy bias in these threads and am not surprised that we get no breakdown this week, because the only thing these threads are really used for is an excuse to trash Hoyer and praise Mallett.

I don't really have a problem with that, as Hoyer is complete garbage. But it's clear to me that he's the better option at QB if this team wants to win (which actually could be an honest discussion at this point).
 
bah007 said:
Agree with the above.

I respect and enjoy that somebody has the passion to do all the work it takes to make these videos possible. But I also see a heavy bias in these threads and am not surprised that we get no breakdown this week, because the only thing these threads are really used for is an excuse to trash Hoyer and praise Mallett.

I don't really have a problem with that, as Hoyer is complete garbage. But it's clear to me that he's the better option at QB if this team wants to win (which actually could be an honest discussion at this point).
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I find the suggestion that I do not breakdown because I am biased interesting. If that were the case I simply would not waste my time producing the videos. Everything is there for you to see. That's like last week being accused of only showing certain camera angels of Hoyer so as to make him look bad.

I gave my opinion, and the reason why I am not going to break down plays via time stamps. If that makes me biased in your eyes, so be it. One thing to keep in mind while you are coming up with excuses of your own is that Hoyer has yet to win a game. And if any game was winnable, It was this one. There is no need for me to trash Hoyer for he does a good enough job of that on his own. What I find humorous is those who say "Hoyer played better than Mallett, except for one play." That is some statement right there. Mallett did not get a fair shot to win the game, and Hoyer blew it when he did. What else needs to be said in that regard?

All I am advocating is that Mallett get the season to play and gain valuable game experience and then make a solid judgement at seasons end on what to do at QB. Everyone --except you and a few others-- know what Hoyer brings, and he proved it again on TNF against a wounded Colts team he could not beat, even with the best of luck on his side.
 
I don't think you need to try to make Hoyer look bad. He looks bad enough on his own. And I think your work with the video is fine. The bias is in what you see in the video, not in the way you create it.

The fact that you get so amped up by any comment that could possibly be portrayed as favorable of Hoyer over Mallett is pretty clear evidence of your bias. I have never advocated that Hoyer is anything other than what we all know he is. I never even said he played better than Mallett in this game. Only that he was adequate. If it makes you feel better, I don't think that Mallett should have been yanked. But that's another issue entirely and it has little to do with Hoyer vs. Mallett and mostly to do with how inept our coaching staff is.

I do think Hoyer gives this team a better chance to win. I also think that the difference between 4 wins and 6 is meaningless. That is why I do not care who starts. If you need a whole season of Mallett to make a solid judgment that is fine, and not unfair either. But there are some here who already see what Mallett is, and just because you don't see it yet does not mean that we are somehow Hoyer fans or some other nonsense.
 
bah007 said:
If you need a whole season of Mallett to make a solid judgment that is fine, and not unfair either. But there are some here who already see what Mallett is
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Because that is what a reasonable person would do when it comes to evaluating someone who has very little game experience. I guess for you it is more important to "know it" before anyone else rather than "know it" for sure. You have experts in the game saying the think Mallett is special like Mayock and Cowher, but as long as you and "some here" already know better than them, it's good enough for me I guess.
 
Nitrofish said:
So if I reply, or retort I am "Amped Up?" Seems legit.
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It's the tone of your reply not the fact that you reply. There are plenty of people who have had unfair criticisms of Mallett and you have rightly shot those down. There are also a lot of people who have legitimate criticisms of Mallett and for the most part you make excuses for him or accuse them of thinking Hoyer is better than he really is, as if that somehow relates to their evaluation of Mallett.

Nitrofish said:
Because that is what a reasonable person would do when it comes to evaluating someone who has very little game experience. I guess for you it is more important to "know it" before anyone else rather than "know it" for sure. You have experts in the game saying the think Mallett is special like Mayock and Cowher, but as long as you and "some here" already know better than them, it's good enough for me I guess.
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Whoever knows it first is irrelevant, as I'm sure you know. There are no brownie points awarded in the order of who came to the conclusion first. At this point, I simply have enough evidence to be thoroughly convinced of what I have seen. I have no qualm with anyone who disagrees with my assessment as that is their right. If you disagree with me you are free to move on. I am not trying to convince you of anything. I only merely pointed out that you have a bias in favor of Mallett over Hoyer, which is true.

There are situations that require a lot of evidence before I can make a solid judgment and there are cases that don't require as much. It depends on what the evidence is. I take it that you wouldn't need my 10 year old nephew to start 16 games before you could make a judgment on his ability to be a starting NFL QB? That is an extreme example but the point is clear. Not every case is the same. People made up their minds about JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf long before they got to their 16th start. Was that unfair of them? Did Keenum start 16 games here? Did Austin Davis get a full 16 with the Rams before they moved on from him?

You conveniently only seem to value the opinions of the experts who think Mallett is special. Why is that? There are plenty of experts who have been on ESPN and said that they think Hoyer is better and the Texans should start him. Where is the line on who's opinion matters? And why does Mayock have enough evidence to support his opinion but those who disagree do not?
 
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Nitrofish said:
So if I reply, or retort I am "Amped Up?" Seems legit.
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Well, I did think it was humorous that you quoted one of my posts and counter-pointed it with a Hoyer-is-worse comment. It was funny to me because my post was the final one in a short string theorizing that Mallet's Texans uniform is like the suit in The Greatest American Hero and, like Ralph, Mallet has lost the instruction book.

I didn't think that theory needed a retort, but I will give you your credit - Hoyer's lob pass interception was certainly worse than Mallett losing the instruction book to his super suit.

:)
 
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bah007 said:
I only merely pointed out that you have a bias in favor of Mallett over Hoyer, which is true.
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Just because I prefer Mallett over Hoyer does not mean I am biased. I have credited Hoyer when he threw good passes in the preseason when he surprised me, as well as I have credited him with a few nice passes in week 5.

It's weird that you can decipher my "tone" in text messages where I have not implied any given the knowledge that I have the emoji's at my disposal. Is it possible you are reading into it what you want based on your biases?

Runner said:
Well, I did think it was humorous that you quoted one of my posts and counter-pointed it with a Hoyer-is-worse comment. It was funny to me because my post was the final one in a short string theorizing that that Mallet's Texans uniform is like the suit in The Greatest American Hero and, like Ralph, Mallet has lost the instruction book.

I didn't think that theory needed a retort, but I will give you your credit - Hoyer's lob pass interception was certainly worse than Mallett losing the instruction book to his super suit.

:)
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I'm glad to hear you are amused. I certainly will sleep better tonight knowing that. Thanks. :)
 
Nitrofish said:
The Texans with Mallett should get the defensive personnel they want on the field and then go up tempo allowing no substitutions. It's what Mallett does best and they should play to that strength, but they don't.
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Praise God and pass the ammunition! I've
been saying this for at least 2 weeks!

Set the tempo and rhythm with Mallett, early, in an uptempo no-huddle offense, putting the defense in their heels. That's Mallett at his best.

I know the downside is that the defense gets back on the field, earlier; still, it looks like points will win us games, anyway, so they should have went for it.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Praise God and pass the ammunition! I've
been saying this for at least 2 weeks!

Set the tempo and rhythm with Mallett, early, in an uptempo no-huddle offense, putting the defense in their heels. That's Mallett at his best.

I know the downside is that the defense gets back on the field, earlier; still, it looks like points will win us games, anyway, so they should have went for it.
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Apparently none of the teams we have played are susceptible to up tempo. Gotta wait until we play us.
 
Nitrofish said:
Just because I prefer Mallett over Hoyer does not mean I am biased.
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:)

I would like to see more of Mallett, myself (see my handle). I watched just about all of his college games. He's grown up a lot, but still an inexperienced NFL QB. I wanna see him go vertical and by that, I mean, more passes greater than 10 yards. He had a nice throw to Hopkins for about 30 or so (that somehow didn't get in the stats, i.e. 4 incompletions total). Hopkins heel came down out of bounds so incomplete. But I'd like to see more of that.... The mishandling of the QB situation is bad but I wouldn't quite call it a felony.... more like a misdemeanor.... I kinda sensed at the time (13-0), there were others like myself who felt, WTF, let's see what Hoyer can do... That when he (Hoyer) stinks it up, OB will put Mallett back in - but that didn't happen right away and Hoyer was allowed to finish the game.


infantrycak said:
Apparently none of the teams we have played are susceptible to up tempo. Gotta wait until we play us.
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Yes, as has been said, gotta get that first 1st down to make that work.....
 
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