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Week 16: Chargers @ Texans

Number19

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The still only shows ten players as well, maybe there is a back in the right flat out of the pic who is a dump off. A still does not say much. I could be saying Charlie Heck is all set to push his guy around the QB now too with that lean and footwork, but I suspect he just got his ass beat
I agree Heck seems to have gotten beat. Which is why Mills should be releasing the ball at that instance. And I agree you can't fully read the play from a single still. But an ongoing line of conversation is whether Mills should be given the starting role next pre-season with or without competition. This play, whether on the sideline during the game or later in film study , needs to be discussed.
 

JB

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So it was 3rd & 8.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the routes on that play. Nothing wrong with the play call.

Heck does get beat. He's playing against a wide 9, guesses on the wrong angle & didn't have the time to compensate. Cheron is dealing with the same thing on the other side, but since there's a TE on his side, it's much easier to anticipate the angle the edge rusher takes.

Scharping does a really good job here.

So does Britt & Toner
Heck gets beat so badly that Mills can't set his feet properly... I bet that out wasn't his first choice either
 

thunderkyss

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My bad it wasn't the TE, it was Dorsett. Although Heck is getting beat, Mills has already opened up and releasing the throw so that is where he is going. Who else would Mills be able to potentially complete a pass to on that play? If he waits he is getting drilled, IMO.
Mills doesn't know that Heck is going to get beat. He's reading the defense & deciding where to go with the football. It would be nice to know what the defensive alignment was on the play, but I'm going to assume he read it correctly.

All I'm saying is that "there was only one viable option" is not correct. There were four viable options. The defense took three of them away, or two, or whatever.

Depending on what they were going for, & if Heck would have blocked his end, Jordan could have had a really big play.
 
Mills doesn't know that Heck is going to get beat. He's reading the defense & deciding where to go with the football. It would be nice to know what the defensive alignment was on the play, but I'm going to assume he read it correctly.

All I'm saying is that "there was only one viable option" is not correct. There were four viable options. The defense took three of them away, or two, or whatever.

Depending on what they were going for, & if Heck would have blocked his end, Jordan could have had a really big play.
I think we're splitting hairs here and will have to agree to disagree. My original reply was I didn't like the routes on the play call. Yes there were 4 total options but post snap only 1 had a chance, IMO. I stated there was only 1 "viable option" meaning 1 that had a chance at completion based on what happened not the "what ifs". I pretty much stated the same thing about Heck's man not being in play on the pass thrown because Mills had already opened up to throw the out. In order for the other 3 routes to develop Mills would have needed more time which he did not have (this is when Heck's man comes into the equation). That is the premise around the slow/long developing routes when your OL has not shown to consistently hold up the protection for them to be successful.
 

thunderkyss

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That is the premise around the slow/long developing routes when your OL has not shown to consistently hold up the protection for them to be successful
Sorry.

it’s hard for me to keep conversations straight. On the one hand we’re complaining about long developing routes on the other we’re complaining that Mills hadn’t thrown a pass over 10 yards.
 

Number19

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Here is a great review of every pass play. I like this guy's analysis because he reviews the QB's footwork and defensive coverages. Also, while watching the video look at the WR routes on most of the passes.

Very good points. Unlike prior years he is playing the called play with no improv. Showing the control over the system he is starting to get. Along with his ability to work within the system.
I think we're splitting hairs here and will have to agree to disagree. My original reply was I didn't like the routes on the play call. Yes there were 4 total options but post snap only 1 had a chance, IMO. I stated there was only 1 "viable option" meaning 1 that had a chance at completion based on what happened not the "what ifs". I pretty much stated the same thing about Heck's man not being in play on the pass thrown because Mills had already opened up to throw the out. In order for the other 3 routes to develop Mills would have needed more time which he did not have (this is when Heck's man comes into the equation). That is the premise around the slow/long developing routes when your OL has not shown to consistently hold up the protection for them to be successful.
Having watched the play, I'll agree that, as called, the out was the only option. And as SnakeEyes points out, Mills and the receivers are playing the called play. And I agree with KoolAid Sipper that I don't like the routes as run. I agree with my original post that this play should have gone to #9, had he adjusted his route on the fly and run straight down the field, past the inside defender, whom he had beat, had he done so. Of course Mills would have had to pick up on this as well. But he had his feet set for this throw. As the analyst points out, Mills ended up having to reset to make the throw to the out, for the incompletion.

Am I asking too much of Mills and the receiver? Probably. But the receiver should have recognized this and talked to Mills on the sideline. They would have then been prepared for this later in the game or the next time the play was called. The coach up in the coaches box should have seen this as well and communicated down to the field.
 

thunderkyss

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Am I asking too much of Mills and the receiver? Probably. But the receiver should have recognized this and talked to Mills on the sideline. They would have then been prepared for this later in the game or the next time the play was called. The coach up in the coaches box should have seen this as well and communicated down to the field.
Sounds like you are presupposing this play has been run before against the same defensive look with the same personnel.

We don’t know if any of that is true.
 

steelbtexan

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Sorry.

it’s hard for me to keep conversations straight. On the one hand we’re complaining about long developing routes on the other we’re complaining that Mills hadn’t thrown a pass over 10 yards.
This is the point I've been trying to make for all of the DVOA/YPA guys. Numbers lie. You will never hae a good YPA if the OL doesn't protect the QB or give the receivers time to get down the field.
 

SnakeEyes

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On the play in question it is pre snap 4 options. Post snap the DBs snuff out 3, and it happened fast. Leaving 1 potential option. From playing QB in high school it is very hard to know if Mills did or did not know a rusher was about to come free. At times you can tell by something like a leg moving farther back (of an OLman) that they either have all they can handle or they are being pushed back into you. What I mean by this is that you have to read not only the D but also your OLs traits/tells. Some great QBs know how the OL is holding by faint movement of things like a shoulder.
 


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