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WE have the number 1 pick

once again, I never said that he will be a good player, I think he has the right ingredients to become one, but I never threw out hypothetical situations as to why I think this... Once Again I ask where is your evidence, where are your hard facts that point to him not getting 1,000 yrds, him getting hurt...???? where have you seen a lacking in him??? You haven't...You stated something obvious, he is small...So are some of the better backs in the leauge....All I am saying is, yes they are prospects, and since all we have to judge them off of is what weve seen thus far, what makes D'brick or winston more durable than reggie...And they've both had injury problems...You are making a guess, and yes that is fine, even if you don't have the evidence to support your theory...And since you are making these guesses against him with nothing backing you besides" he is small" I think you are just a Bush basher....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
once again, I never said that he will be a good player, I think he has the right ingredients to become one, but I never threw out hypothetical situations as to why I think this... Once Again I ask where is your evidence, where are your hard facts that point to him not getting 1,000 yrds, him getting hurt...???? where have you seen a lacking in him??? You haven't...You stated something obvious, he is small...So are some of the better backs in the leauge....All I am saying is, yes they are prospects, and since all we have to judge them off of is what weve seen thus far, what makes D'brick or winston more durable than reggie...And they've both had injury problems...You are making a guess, and yes that is fine, even if you don't have the evidence to support your theory...And since you are making these guesses against him with nothing backing you besides" he is small" I think you are just a Bush basher....
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dont forget cant run between the tackles....thats an important piece of it too.
 
See thats what I mean... Does he not have success in between the tackles, or is it that he just has had so much success outside, that "we" want to label him an "outside" runner...I've seen him do it all, and I haven't really seen a lacking...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
See thats what I mean... Does he not have success in between the tackles, or is it that he just has had so much success outside, that "we" want to label him an "outside" runner...I've seen him do it all, and I haven't really seen a lacking...
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I guess we should agree to disagree. Nothing i've seen of him has shown me that he is worth all of the hype he has, but im not an nfl scout by any means. I could be wrong, god knows i've been wrong before (sean taylor). Im just putting my opinion out there in a sea of reggie bush lovers.
 
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He doesn't look that small to me. He may have been listed at 200 at the beginning of the season, but could easily be 205 or even 210 right now. The guy benches over 400 pounds, he isn't a frail back who is going to have a career ending injury the first time he gets hit.
 
Bush is a solid 200 pounds and does have some power. However why will he have to carry the ball 25-30 times a game when we have DD,


Domanick Davis=LenDale White???:cool:
 
What did DD do in college to make anyone think he would be an ok RB in the NFL? Nothing at all. The guy didnt even have the talent to start, he shared the load and then was drafted to be what? A Return man. So you can make the same argument that he didnt run in between the tackles, which in my opinion isnt a valid argument. A player can only run the plays that are called. Look at Bush's body of work, your telling me he NEVER ran in between the tackles? If so, then its a valid point. (Which I highly doubt)

For all the draft a linemen people. You can bet we will take someone with our second pick, which remember is still a player rated as worthy of being of a 1st round pick. There are only 32 picks in the first round, and hundreds of players fighting for one of those 32 picks.

If DD, and Wells, who combined did nothing in college compared to Bush, have success behind our O-Line, which is middle of the league in rushing, what would make believe that an obviously more talented player couldnt do the same or better?

To each his own though.
 
I don't understand this either. Why are people who weren't graded too high by scouts and didn't have the same success that Reggie had in college more likely to be successful than someone with the success that Reggie is having?
 
tulexan said:
I don't understand this either. Why are people who weren't graded too high by scouts and didn't have the same success that Reggie had in college more likely to be successful than someone with the success that Reggie is having?
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less preasure, more of name to make for themselves.

just a thought.
 
swtbound07 said:
I guess we should agree to disagree. Nothing i've seen of him has shown me that he is worth all of the hype he has, but im not an nfl scout by any means. I could be wrong, god knows i've been wrong before (sean taylor). Im just putting my opinion out there in a sea of reggie bush lovers.
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you weren't wrong on sean taylor. He is easily top 5 F/S in the NFL. When you wanted him on our team, look who we had this season: Colemen.

You were not wrong in your thinking, you were just thinking ahead of everyone else.
 
as much as i'd like to see bush as a Texan, I personally think the smart thing to do would be trade out of the top spot a few places down and also get a 1st round for next year. Kind of like the Chargers did with Manning(sort of). One of the teams, such as the Saints and Jets would probably jump at the chance to get someone who was hyped up way more than Eli was. That way we still have a good chance to grab Ferguson in the 1st and possibly Winston in the 2nd. And still have an extra 1st next year.

But knowin Casserly, we'll probably take Bush and then trade the rest of our 1st day picks for a low 1st rd pick on a guy who just tore his acl. either that, or trade the rest of them for some jerk like Fred Ex.
 
I've been really fickle about what the team should do with the #1, so I've decided that I'll wait to see Reggie against a real team before I start playing GM. I think what happens depends a lot on who'll be coaching the team next year.

Let the offseason begin.
 
scourge said:
as much as i'd like to see bush as a Texan, I personally think the smart thing to do would be trade out of the top spot a few places down and also get a 1st round for next year. Kind of like the Chargers did with Manning(sort of). One of the teams, such as the Saints and Jets would probably jump at the chance to get someone who was hyped up way more than Eli was. That way we still have a good chance to grab Ferguson in the 1st and possibly Winston in the 2nd. And still have an extra 1st next year.

But knowin Casserly, we'll probably take Bush and then trade the rest of our 1st day picks for a low 1st rd pick on a guy who just tore his acl. either that, or trade the rest of them for some jerk like Fred Ex.
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I doubt the Saints would trade up for Bush since they have Deuce McAllister, and they are sitting on the #2 pick and will likely take Leinart to replace Aaron Brooks, of course since McAllister missed over half the year, missing more games this year than Domanick Davis did in all three of his years, so according to some people on this board he must be injury-prone so they should look for an immediate replacement for him. That aside, the Jets, 49ers, or maybe the Packers could trade up for Bush, but I doubt the 49ers will be looking to trade off a bunch of their picks to move up from the #6/7 slot to the #1 as they are in the rebuilding process and would need to come up with a big offer to make fair value on the trade.
 
MorKnolle said:
I doubt the Saints would trade up for Bush since they have Deuce McAllister, and they are sitting on the #2 pick and will likely take Leinart to replace Aaron Brooks, of course since McAllister missed over half the year, missing more games this year than Domanick Davis did in all three of his years, so according to some people on this board he must be injury-prone so they should look for an immediate replacement for him. That aside, the Jets, 49ers, or maybe the Packers could trade up for Bush, but I doubt the 49ers will be looking to trade off a bunch of their picks to move up from the #6/7 slot to the #1 as they are in the rebuilding process and would need to come up with a big offer to make fair value on the trade.
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What do you prefer, a guy who gets hurt once and misses half a season, or a guy thats game time descion every week and you never know if he's going to be in the line up?

Deuce has gone down once, DD goes down once every 2-3 games.
 
scourge said:
as much as i'd like to see bush as a Texan, I personally think the smart thing to do would be trade out of the top spot a few places down and also get a 1st round for next year. Kind of like the Chargers did with Manning(sort of). One of the teams, such as the Saints and Jets would probably jump at the chance to get someone who was hyped up way more than Eli was. That way we still have a good chance to grab Ferguson in the 1st and possibly Winston in the 2nd. And still have an extra 1st next year.
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Ok, I can agree with your reasoning as far as the pick next yr. The thing I dont get is why would you even consider Winston in the second (don't think that'll happen) if you get D'brick in the first. That doesn't really make sense, if the Texans have so many holes why would they use 2 picks to fill 1 hole?
 
LCROD said:
What do you prefer, a guy who gets hurt once and misses half a season, or a guy thats game time descion every week and you never know if he's going to be in the line up?

Deuce has gone down once, DD goes down once every 2-3 games.
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But Deuce's one serious injury has cost him more games than all of Davis' minor injuries combined, so obviously he is injury-prone in the logic of some people on this board. Some people keep bringing up that Eric Winston will not be a sufficient OT because he tore his ACL two years ago, despite the fact that he's recovered and looks quite good, but obviously a star RB tearing his ACL is no big deal and he'll be fine, while Davis' injury this year means he can't be a starting RB when his injury was a result of being overworked rather than splitting time with his backups that were brought in to help him shoulder the work load.
 
LCROD said:
What do you prefer, a guy who gets hurt once and misses half a season, or a guy thats game time descion every week and you never know if he's going to be in the line up?

Deuce has gone down once, DD goes down once every 2-3 games.
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The Saints just gave Deuce a contract worth about $60 mill right before the season started, we are not drafting a RB with our first pick that's for sure.
 
swtbound07 said:
dont forget cant run between the tackles....thats an important piece of it too.
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This is one of the silliest arguments I've heard. So what he doesn't run it up the gut every time he runs the ball? Why dig a hole with a pitchfork?

Btw, several of his big runs this year have come between the tackles. The one against Fresno St. that's made every highlight reel was run between the tackles.

I don't care if he runs through or around guys to get to the end zone, as long as he gets there.
 
JackDizzle said:
This is one of the silliest arguments I've heard. So what he doesn't run it up the gut every time he runs the ball? Why dig a hole with a pitchfork?

Btw, several of his big runs this year have come between the tackles. The one against Fresno St. that's made every highlight reel was run between the tackles.

I don't care if he runs through or around guys to get to the end zone, as long as he gets there.
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Well Said JD:)
 
I believe in Bush. If we drafted him, I wouldn't be upset.

I just happen to believe that 4 picks (including a few slots lower and a 2007 1st) would help this talent deprived team more.

I'll be happy either way.
 
TheOgre said:
I believe in Bush. If we drafted him, I wouldn't be upset.

I just happen to believe that 4 picks (including a few slots lower and a 2007 1st) would help this talent deprived team more.

I'll be happy either way.
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I am with you, I can't honestly say I'd be upset if we drafted Bush, assuming we actually use him and Davis and everyone else together effectively. That said, I also think that bringing in more draft picks and/or veteran players by trading that pick away would benefit this team a lot more.
 
MorKnolle said:
I am with you, I can't honestly say I'd be upset if we drafted Bush, assuming we actually use him and Davis and everyone else together effectively. That said, I also think that bringing in more draft picks and/or veteran players by trading that pick away would benefit this team a lot more.
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Mcnair fired Capers but kept CC, indicating that he doesn't believe talent is the problem of this team.
 
CITY CAT said:
Mcnair fired Capers but kept CC, indicating that he doesn't believe talent is the problem of this team.
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Keeping Casserly doesn't mean he thinks he has done a great job, as he said yesterday he thinks the good decisions have outnumbered the bad decisions in regards to personnel moves. By firing Capers and keeping Casserly, he is saying more that he thinks we do have some talent but the coaching staff was not able to get them to play to the level they should, not that we have Super Bowl caliber talent and don't need to add any more good players. I think the biggest problem with our team was not Capers himself but the coaching staff that was aroudn him that did not develop the players properly, and then the horrendous offensive and defensive systems we were running. Sure Capers oversees all of that and should have stepped in, but I don't think he was directly the problem in coaching. That said, coaching was our #1 problem this year, not saying that our player personnel is great, but we do have more talent than what our team played like this year, and that falls on the coaching staff.
 
I agree Mork, by no means did it seem like McNair is completely sold on Casserly. Also you said earlier about getting Bush is right on in my opinion. He is a great player and may be great in the pros also, but I would like to see more talent on the team. 3 talented players or 5 talented players is the way I read it. 3 if we draft Bush and 5 if we trade the picks. Think about it this way. In the San Diego trade they lost a franchise QB more important than Bush anyday, but they gained a QB, KR, DL, rookie of the year OLB, WR. I mean it is proven that if you can swindle some team into going after Bush hard we can get some serious players. Think about this next year. Let's say we trade with ohh Packers. Favre retires and they suck top 5 pick next year plus our pick. We could be looking at a slew of talented individuals including some of the best young RBs to come out since last year. It just makes since to trade the pick away for the right price.
 
The San Diego trade with New York was different because they were looking for a QB and Rivers and Manning were neck and neck on who is better. It wasn't that they were looking for a quarterback and then got a tackle or a line backer with the next pick. Now you could say something about the San Diego trade with Atlanta because they traded a QB for a RB, but they had neither a RB or a QB so they could "settle" for LaDainian Tomlinson.
 
In my Mock the only trade I messed around with was the Texans pick going to the NY Jets in exchange for their #1 this year along with their 2nd & 3rd rounders and next years 2nd rd. pick this according to the Draft Pick Value Chart and the fact that the Jets want Bush & Bush is on record saying that he would love to play in NY.

There may be another suitor willing to cough up more for Bush (Raiders?) but I feel the Jets would be the best fit & most viable trading partner. Its not a slam dunk that very many teams would be able or willing to make the blockbuster type of trade you guys are calling for, but best of luck anyways :)
 
Beer I dont want a blockbuster deal just a fair trade value. I think alot of people are wanting to trade and stay in the top 5. I say take the best trade we have. I brought up the Packers just because they would be a good next year 1st rounder to have if Favre retires. SF or Oakland would be great though. They are gonna go after a hot coach and a big time O-coordinator to upgrade that high priced offense. I think Al Davis is just crazy enough to put togeter some package to get Bush, but that is only if he wants him. I think a 1st, 2nd, and next years 1st, 4th is the right trade value. This would be my starting asking price and then we can haggle from this start point.
 
Al Davis would be one to offer a ludicrous trade, but I'm not sure how much they'd want him after bringing in LaMont Jordan last year.
 
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