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WolverineFan said:
I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.
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Some scouts may see Bridgewater that way, I dont.

I would be good with Clowney #1 and even though I dont really like the QB's trading up to say 25 and taking Manziel/Mettenberger etc....

Clowney is way above Bridgewater on my board. You cant pass on an elite pass rusher for a QB with a slightly above avg arm. IMHO


Rick doesn't think outside the box, so this will never happen and Bridgewater will be 1-1. But people should be careful for what they wish for.
 
WolverineFan said:
I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.
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Please support the bolded with some factual link or admit that it is your opinion and not "scouts".
 
WolverineFan said:
Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.
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The correct terminology for your use of scouts is media sportswriters see......
 
LOL I know WolverineFan can probably defend himself in this thread but I'm gonna step in here. I know y'all don't know this and there's no way you could, but I know WolverineFan outside of this message board and he actually works for a scout.

I see where y'all are coming from but the guy actually knows his stuff.
 
bah007 said:
LOL I know WolverineFan can probably defend himself in this thread but I'm gonna step in here. I know y'all don't know this and there's no way you could, but I know WolverineFan outside of this message board and he actually works for a scout.

I see where y'all are coming from but the guy actually knows his stuff.
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I stand by statement. Media sportswriters and wanna be's love them some Teddy Bridgewater. NFL draft boards will NOT share in their enthusiasm.
 
Texian said:
I stand by statement. Media sportswriters and wanna be's love them some Teddy Bridgewater. NFL draft boards will NOT share in their enthusiasm.
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1) The bolded above is absolutely false. Bridgewater is the consensus top QB among the scouting community.

2) NFL teams love potential just as much as sportswriters or "wanna be's". How else do you explain a guy like Gabbert going #10? Or Ponder going #12? What about Tannehill going #8 while Foles and Cousins go 3-4? How about Tebow going #25 or Josh Freeman going #17? What about Jamarcus Russell going #1?

Bridgewater has that upside that teams look for. McCarron does not. Does that mean Bridgewater will be the superior pro? No. But most people are expecting him to be.
 
WolverineFan said:
1) The bolded above is absolutely false. Bridgewater is the consensus top QB among the scouting community.

2) NFL teams love potential just as much as sportswriters or "wanna be's". How else do you explain a guy like Gabbert going #10? Or Ponder going #12? What about Tannehill going #8 while Foles and Cousins go 3-4? How about Tebow going #25 or Josh Freeman going #17? What about Jamarcus Russell going #1?

Bridgewater has that upside that teams look for. McCarron does not. Does that mean Bridgewater will be the superior pro? No. But most people are expecting him to be.
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Some scouts may love Bridgewater, I'm sure you do. He may be the consensus #1 QB. But I think he's no franchise QB and spending the #1 pick in the draft on a guy like him would be a mistake. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should reach for one. Reaching for a QB puts a team in the same situation as the Jags and Gabbert.

With that said, I'm sure if Rick gets to make the pick Bridgewater will be the guy. 10 more yrs of the Carr crap will ensue all over again. The Texans will never learn.
 
Over the last few weeks all of the top QBs have done little to pull away from the pack. I expect several to return to school. I still don't see an elite or "franchise" QB although some could develop. I'm still leaning towards going with Keenum and bringing in a vet FA on cheap. I could go either way with leaving yates on roster or cutting him.
 
I've watched the Redskins over the past two weeks and it has had an impact on me. They have their franchise QB, but what good is it when he's getting sacked or hit on half their plays? I get that you need a big time QB to compete for championships, and I agree with it, but I don't like the idea of drafting a top QB without the proper protection. You run the risk of hurting him either physically or changing his habits, which is what some people believe happened to Carr.

I'm starting to move into the "we need to get better in both trenches" mindset as the season progresses. Hopefully that doesn't mean we need to go tackle in round 1, pick 1-3, but if it does I am prepared to be satisfied with that.
 
From the way this QB class is shaping up, trading back appears to be the best option if that opportunity presented itself...IMHO of course.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some scouts may love Bridgewater, I'm sure you do. He may be the consensus #1 QB. But I think he's no franchise QB and spending the #1 pick in the draft on a guy like him would be a mistake. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should reach for one. Reaching for a QB puts a team in the same situation as the Jags and Gabbert.
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All great points. Bridgewater may or may not be a franchise QB, you never really know for sure until that guy is in the league (Luck/Manning being pretty much the only exceptions). He is certainly regarded as the guy with the highest potential for it in this draft though.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I've watched the Redskins over the past two weeks and it has had an impact on me. They have their franchise QB, but what good is it when he's getting sacked or hit on half their plays? I get that you need a big time QB to compete for championships, and I agree with it, but I don't like the idea of drafting a top QB without the proper protection. You run the risk of hurting him either physically or changing his habits, which is what some people believe happened to Carr.

I'm starting to move into the "we need to get better in both trenches" mindset as the season progresses. Hopefully that doesn't mean we need to go tackle in round 1, pick 1-3, but if it does I am prepared to be satisfied with that.
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Fair points. I would love to build up the rest of the roster as well. But it's a QB driven league and if you don't have one then you are left out in the cold.

RG3 is obviously not healthy this year. He carried a terrible team to the playoffs last year, as did Luck. Luck will do the same again this year.

Meanwhile, a team like the Browns has a good defense, a very good O-Line, and a young stud WR, and they can't sniff the playoffs because they don't have a QB.
 
WolverineFan said:
Fair points. I would love to build up the rest of the roster as well. But it's a QB driven league and if you don't have one then you are left out in the cold.

RG3 is obviously not healthy this year. He carried a terrible team to the playoffs last year, as did Luck. Luck will do the same again this year.

Meanwhile, a team like the Browns has a good defense, a very good O-Line, and a young stud WR, and they can't sniff the playoffs because they don't have a QB.
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I don't disagree. I think there is merit to both points. The question is, can we dramatically improve our protection AND get our future franchise QB. I hope so.

The thing I worry about is a run on tackles, like the Duane Brown draft. You get 8 or so tackles taken in round 1, you may not be able to get your guy in round 2-4.
 
WolverineFan said:
Fair points. I would love to build up the rest of the roster as well. But it's a QB driven league and if you don't have one then you are left out in the cold.

RG3 is obviously not healthy this year. He carried a terrible team to the playoffs last year, as did Luck. Luck will do the same again this year.

Meanwhile, a team like the Browns has a good defense, a very good O-Line, and a young stud WR, and they can't sniff the playoffs because they don't have a QB.
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I wuld rather go with more of a sure thing at 1-1. Matthews/Clowney and then trade back into the bottom of the 1st rd for a guy like Mettenberger/Bortles etc....

There's less risk at 25/32 drafting a QB this yr than taking Bridgewater at #1. Plus you get your elite pass rusher Clowney and your QB of the future. This fills the 2 most important positions on the team. Then you can use the rest of the draft to fix the OL. If this happened I would be a very happy fan.

What would be the cost to move up from 34 to say 25? A 2nd/4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? I dont have a trade value chart.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't disagree. I think there is merit to both points. The question is, can we dramatically improve our protection AND get our future franchise QB. I hope so.

The thing I worry about is a run on tackles, like the Duane Brown draft. You get 8 or so tackles taken in round 1, you may not be able to get your guy in round 2-4.
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The good thing about OT this year is it is very deep. We can still find a quality RT outside of the 1st round.
 
WolverineFan said:
How else do you explain a guy like Gabbert going #10? Or Ponder going #12? What about Tannehill going #8 while Foles and Cousins go 3-4? How about Tebow going #25 or Josh Freeman going #17? What about Jamarcus Russell going #1?

Bridgewater has that upside that teams look for. McCarron does not. Does that mean Bridgewater will be the superior pro? No. But most people are expecting him to be.
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Simple, it's the one position, with the most demand, which is also the hardest to fill. Without a good QB you cannot succeed. To many GMs don't have the patience and feel compelled to make something happen even when there is no there, there. The pressure of the job and the hot seat for a HC or GM often force them to make wrong decisions. Many of those faulty decisions are based on fear and missing on a Top QB more than actually finding a top QB. Basic human behavior. It only takes one team's desperate panic decision to prove you right or wrong. One thing that is often constant and consistent is a team or teams to make a desperate panic decisions. Because of this there will always be many more bad decisions than right decisions. It's the nature of the beast. HCs and GMs are people too.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I wuld rather go with more of a sure thing at 1-1. Matthews/Clowney and then trade back into the bottom of the 1st rd for a guy like Mettenberger/Bortles etc....

There's less risk at 25/32 drafting a QB this yr than taking Bridgewater at #1. Plus you get your elite pass rusher Clowney and your QB of the future. This fills the 2 most important positions on the team. Then you can use the rest of the draft to fix the OL. If this happened I would be a very happy fan.

What would be the cost to move up from 34 to say 25? A 2nd/4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? I dont have a trade value chart.
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What makes Mettenberger or Bortles at #25 a better option than Bridgewater at #1? How is the risk less? You're trading 2-3 draft picks for that guy.

I understand landing a top prospect in Clowney, but how is that any different than taking Bridgewater #1 and grabbing a DE like Murphy, Crichton, or Martin at the top of the 2nd? In that scenario you grab a pass rusher + QB and don't lose picks.
 
WolverineFan said:
The good thing about OT this year is it is very deep. We can still find a quality RT outside of the 1st round.
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I would be very happy with a draft of

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.1 Mettenberger
Rd.3 Morgan Moses.

Later this week I hope to do a mock with a couple of trade ups.
 
Texian said:
I stand by statement. Media sportswriters and wanna be's love them some Teddy Bridgewater. NFL draft boards will NOT share in their enthusiasm.
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It's your right to stand by your statement. But I'll just point out, it is odd that you are allowed to make assessments like the one above and state them as fact, but other posters are not.
 
Texian said:
Simple, it's the one position in the most demand which is also the hardest to fill. Without a good QB you cannot succeed. To many GMs don't have the patience and feel compelled to make something happen even when there is no there, there. The pressure of the job and the hot seat for a HC or GM often force them to make wrong decisions. Many of those faulty decisions are based on fear and missing on a Top QB more than actually finding a top QB. Basic human behavior. It only takes one team's desperate panic decision to prove you right or wrong. One thing that is often constant and consistent is a team or teams to make a desperate panic decisions. Because of this there will always be many more bad decisions than right decisions. It's the nature of the beast. HCs and GMs are people too.
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Very good points. It's hard to blame HC's or GM's though because if they don't find a QB that will invigorate the fanbase and satisfy the owner then they will be looking for a new job in 3 years. At least that's the case most of the time.
 
Texian said:
Simple, it's the one position in the most demand which is also the hardest to fill. Without a good QB you cannot succeed. To many GMs don't have the patience and feel compelled to make something happen even when there is no there, there. The pressure of the job and the hot seat for a HC or GM often force them to make wrong decisions. Many of those faulty decisions are based on fear and missing on a Top QB more than actually finding a top QB. Basic human behavior. It only takes one team's desperate panic decision to prove you right or wrong. One thing that is often constant and consistent is a team or teams to make a desperate panic decisions. Because of this there will always be many more bad decisions than right decisions. It's the nature of the beast. HCs and GMs are people too.
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Good point. Most bad QB decisions in this league appear to be made by GMs and HCs who are just taking a shot in the dark trying to avoid getting fired.

Picks like Gabbert and Ponder drive me nuts. It's a surefire way to set your franchise back an additional five years.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would be very happy with a draft of

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.1 Mettenberger
Rd.3 Morgan Moses.

Later this week I hope to do a mock with a couple of trade ups.
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I prefer Barr over Clowney personally, but there is no doubting that pass rusher, QB, and OT are our biggest needs.
 
bah007 said:
It's your right to stand by your statement. But I'll just point out, it is odd that you are allowed to make assessments like the one above and state them as fact, but other posters are not.
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Standing by my statement is my opinion and doesn't necessarily make it a fact. If it makes you feel better and more comfortable, I stand by my opinion. If I ever make a statement that alludes to exactly what NFL Scouts think please ask me to provide a link for my comment. I probably won't be able to but I know plenty of links about what the media sportswriters are thinking. There are also 32 NFL teams and that likely means that there could be 32 different opinions.
 
Texian said:
Standing by my statement is my opinion and doesn't necessarily make it a fact. If it makes you feel better and more comfortable, I stand by my opinion. If I ever make a statement that alludes to exactly what NFL Scouts think please ask me to provide a link for my comment. I probably won't be able to but I know plenty of links about what the media sportswriters are thinking. There are also 32 NFL teams and that likely means that there could be 32 different opinions.
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All very much true. I was just curious as to why you would call out one poster for spouting off the opinions of scouts that he may or may not have access to, but then in the very next post exclaim so certainly that you know what NFL draft boards will look like.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't disagree. I think there is merit to both points. The question is, can we dramatically improve our protection AND get our future franchise QB. I hope so.

The thing I worry about is a run on tackles, like the Duane Brown draft. You get 8 or so tackles taken in round 1, you may not be able to get your guy in round 2-4.
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Picking first in the second round, I'm fairly sure we will be able to get a solid right tackle, barring a crazy run on them.
 
steelbtexan said:
What would be the cost to move up from 34 to say 25? A 2nd/4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? I dont have a trade value chart.
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By the chart 34 (560 pts) to 25 (720 pts) would cost 86 (3rd round 160 pts) or a lower half 2nd round pick next season.

WolverineFan said:
What makes Mettenberger or Bortles at #25 a better option than Bridgewater at #1? How is the risk less? You're trading 2-3 draft picks for that guy.
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I'd like an answer on this one as well. Is there not a guy who will be a good safe bet at RT in the upper 2nd?

I share some of the sure fire concerns over Bridgewater, Manziel, etc. but it sure does seem like you are accepting a game manager or much lower potential going to a McCarron or Mettenberger. Would it be so bad to have someone between Duane Brown and Winston plugged in at RT?
 
WolverineFan said:
The good thing about OT this year is it is very deep. We can still find a quality RT outside of the 1st round.
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WolverineFan said:
What makes Mettenberger or Bortles at #25 a better option than Bridgewater at #1? How is the risk less? You're trading 2-3 draft picks for that guy.

I understand landing a top prospect in Clowney, but how is that any different than taking Bridgewater #1 and grabbing a DE like Murphy, Crichton, or Martin at the top of the 2nd? In that scenario you grab a pass rusher + QB and don't lose picks.
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steelbtexan said:
I would be very happy with a draft of

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.1 Mettenberger
Rd.3 Morgan Moses.

Later this week I hope to do a mock with a couple of trade ups.
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It's not uncommon for 6-8 OT to go in the first rd. There could be 6-7 OTs that could go in the first rd of 2014 draft. After that there is a drop off to 3rd and 4th Rd value. The Texans already have that with Williams and Quess.

IMHO I think a team who can draft Mettenberger, Murray or Bortles in the middle of Rd 1 will be better served with the better/best QBs in this draft.

I am currently in the camp of trading back. Especially if a team wants to offer up 3 1st RD draft picks to do so. That's what it will take plus some to move up to #1.

My preferential today is trading back, landing Bortles, Mettenberger or Murray as a QB. Irving, Kouandjio, Richardson or Scherff as OT in RD 1. DE Aaron Donald and TE Austin Sefarian-Jenkins in Rd 2. And an additional 2015 1st rd pick.

I know I accuse many of wishful thinking and hoping and I am aware that I have engaged on a large scale of doing exactly the same here with this post.
 
Trading back is usually my favorite choice in the first round unless there is a guy we absolutely must have. All four of my top choices for us have questions.

Bridgewater - clearly the best QB in this class, but valid questions as to whether he is elite or not
Matthews - fantastic technician with limited upside, not as good as the A&M OT from last year, great but not elite
Clowney - most talented player in the draft, but valid questions about a variety of things
Barr - my top choice if we stay in a 34 with the next regime but not if we switch
 
infantrycak said:
By the chart 34 (560 pts) to 25 (720 pts) would cost 86 (3rd round 160 pts) or a lower half 2nd round pick next season.



I'd like an answer on this one as well. Is there not a guy who will be a good safe bet at RT in the upper 2nd?

I share some of the sure fire concerns over Bridgewater, Manziel, etc. but it sure does seem like you are accepting a game manager or much lower potential going to a McCarron or Mettenberger. Would it be so bad to have someone between Duane Brown and Winston plugged in at RT?
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Thanks, I would be willing to move up and give up a 3rd. Then hope Moses fell to the top of the 4th or trade up 5-7 spots back into the 3rd and pick Moses. I've watched him several times and while he's on a horrible team with a terrible QB. Moses appears to be very strong in the run game and can pass protect very well too. He's a mountain of a man with very long arms. Another good thing about Moses is that he's played RT before moving to LT this yr, so the learning curve shouldn't be as great.

With an arm like Mettenbergers you consider him to be a game manager? He has an elite arm and has played in a pro system under Cam Cameron this yr. He has made great strides this yr and is just begining to scratch the surface of his potential. IMHO. Mettenberger reminds me of Ben/Flacco/Rivers. You could do alot worse. While I like McCarron alot, the combine will be huge for him. I think he can be more than a game manager.

I like Mettenbergers potential at 25 much more than Bridgewater at 1-1. Plus you get to add the best pass rusher in the draft. Clwney, who is going to light up the combine MW style, or Barr. IMHO Either way you address the 2 most important positions on the team.
 
Watch Beidgewater film, kid throws lasers, quick decision maker who can extend plays. My biggest concern as of now is who will be coaching him. Would Tony Dungy be interested in a return to coaching?
 
bah007 said:
All very much true. I was just curious as to why you would call out one poster for spouting off the opinions of scouts that he may or may not have access to, but then in the very next post exclaim so certainly that you know what NFL draft boards will look like.
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I should've have used IMHO. However, based on history I don't think there has ever been an active NFL Scout who has publicly discussed prior to the draft the potential of a player, their positives, negatives and draft ranking. If they've one must be leery of false or misleading information. False and misleading information seem to be more of the norm when NFL teams release information about perspective draft picks. Another thing that I have learned by what has been said by NFL GMs is that team draft boards are not even set until 2-3 weeks prior to the draft. So at this point there is no consenus #1 draft pick on an NFL draft board (this season isn't even over). Also based on history I don't know of any sportswriter or any journalistic draft scout wannabe who has picked the correct order of players drafted or 100% of a team's draft picks. You're right I shouldn't assume that everyone knows this.
 
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For me, I have to wait and see how the evaluation process goes. Bridgewater could put up ridiculous numbers in an Oregon or A&M offense, but they kind of run a slow plodding offense. I like his moxy though and what he brings to the table from an intangibles standpoint.

Clowney is simply a freak of nature. He made some plays the other night that guys his size shouldn't be making. The fact that he's played bored all year scares me though. He'll have to prove that this was something that won't translate to the next level. Seeing as how we just wasted a draft pick last year dealing with the same thing isn't a comforting feeling, but his talent level is hard to overlook.
 
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For me, I have to wait and see how the evaluation process goes. Bridgewater could put up ridiculous numbers in an Oregon or A&M offense, but they kind of run a slow plodding offense. I like his moxy though and what he brings to the table from an intangibles standpoint.

Clowney is simply a freak of nature. He made some plays the other night that guys his size shouldn't be making. The fact that he's played bored all year scares me though. He'll have to prove that this was something that won't translate to the next level. Seeing as how we just wasted a draft pick last year dealing with the same thing isn't a comforting feeling, but his talent level is hard to overlook.
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Cant really blame Clowney especially after seeing Lattimore get hurt last yr and fall from a 1st rd ( losing millions $$$$) to the 5th/6th rd.
 
steelbtexan said:
Cant really blame Clowney especially after seeing Lattimore get hurt last yr and fall from a 1st rd ( losing millions $$$$) to the 5th/6th rd.
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I think this is exactly what happened. I don't blame him one bit. He's pro ready and knows he's just buying time. In his position most would do the same thing. Especially aftet seeing first hand what happend to a teammate.
 
Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the only guys I can think of off the top of my head that probably could've gone straight to the NFL after high school.
 
steelbtexan said:
Cant really blame Clowney especially after seeing Lattimore get hurt last yr and fall from a 1st rd ( losing millions $$$$) to the 5th/6th rd.
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bah007 said:
Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the only guys I can think of off the top of my head that probably could've gone straight to the NFL after high school.
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His high school highlights are ridiculous. You can't watch them without laughing.
 
bah007 said:
All very much true. I was just curious as to why you would call out one poster for spouting off the opinions of scouts that he may or may not have access to, but then in the very next post exclaim so certainly that you know what NFL draft boards will look like.
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and FWIW, people who actually do have some access to inside information @AlbertBreer @NFLosophy are saying the Bridgewater is not necessarily the consensus #1 pick and it's possible A.J. McCarron could be 1st QB drafted.
 
Texian said:
and FWIW, people who actually do have some access to inside information @AlbertBreer @NFLosophy are saying the Bridgewater is not necessarily the consensus #1 pick and it's possible A.J. McCarron could be 1st QB drafted.
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You yourself have already acknowledged the dangers of hearing false and misleading information from those in the know during this time of year so excuse me if I choose not to believe that. But thank you for your take.

I do, however, acknowledge that while I have Bridgewater graded as the #1 QB it is far from a guarantee that he ends up the first one drafted.

I also admit that I am higher on McCarron than most seem to be. But I don't see him being the first QB drafted. His ceiling simply doesn't appear high enough.
 
Texian said:
and FWIW, people who actually do have some access to inside information @AlbertBreer @NFLosophy are saying the Bridgewater is not necessarily the consensus #1 pick and it's possible A.J. McCarron could be 1st QB drafted.
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That's the reason why I said consensus and not unanimous. There are some who disagree, but the majority favor Bridgewater.
 
WolverineFan said:
That's the reason why I said consensus and not unanimous. There are some who disagree, but the majority favor Bridgewater.
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and just who is the majority? you and bah007? The consensus and unanimous in NFL draft rooms that you speak of don't exist in NFL draft rooms today. Currently teams are trying to finish the last 25% of the regular season. Somewhere around a month before the draft those consensus and unanimous opinions will be formed along with each team's respective draft board. And the consensus and Unanimous may have 32 different varieties.
 
bah007 said:
Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the only guys I can think of off the top of my head that probably could've gone straight to the NFL after high school.
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The kid at Ole Miss Robert Nkemdiche could probably hold his own.
 
Texian said:
and just who is the majority? you and bah007? The consensus and unanimous in NFL draft rooms that you speak of don't exist in NFL draft rooms today. Currently teams are trying to finish the last 25% of the regular season. Somewhere around a month before the draft those consensus and unanimous opinions will be formed along with each team's respective draft board. And the consensus and Unanimous may have 32 different varieties.
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Yeah guys, listen to Texian. Nobody in the NFL is scouting college players during the season, or watching their games, or making up their draft boards. Nobody does any of that until March, when the NFL season is over. That's when they buckle down and get to work. It's not like these NFL teams have dozens of scouts and an entire division devoted to doing stuff like that! Take it from this guy, he's got an Insider subscription to ESPN, so he knows what he's talking about!
 
Dutchrudder said:
Yeah guys, listen to Texian. Nobody in the NFL is scouting college players during the season, or watching their games, or making up their draft boards. Nobody does any of that until March, when the NFL season is over. That's when they buckle down and get to work. It's not like these NFL teams have dozens of scouts and an entire division devoted to doing stuff like that! Take it from this guy, he's got an Insider subscription to ESPN, so he knows what he's talking about!
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Au Contraire - ALL NFL scouting departments have been busy for many months scouting hundreds of teams and players. In addition they have been busily filling out scouting reports on all players eligible for the upcoming draft. Between now and the middle of January NFL scouting departments will be busy evaluating and completing their scouting reports on the 70-80 underclassmen who are currently in the process of declaring for the 2104 NFL draft. And no I cancelled my ESPN insider several years ago after reading one to many Todd McShay insider evaluations and predictions. I figured ESPN Insider was a waste of my time and money and I still do.
 
bah007 said:
Maybe so. He isn't near the specimen that Clowney was as a high school senior though.
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You're right, he's even more so. At 18 and already 300lbs, plays like a LB and is already a man among boys. Reggie White in the making.
 
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