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We are number 1

Wow, Vikes up 23-7 in the 4th quarter and coughed it up. Wow, this one feels familiar, and has a similarly unpleasant ending.
 
This team is so bad, now that we have the #1 spot in the draft we'll probably start winning and screw up our future as well.
 
Can someone fix the title of this thread?

We WERE #1 in the AFC South. Now we're #1 overall draft pick bound.
 
WolverineFan said:
Passing on the best QB in the draft for a RT sounds like a solid Plan B......
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#1 might be a bit steep of a price to pay for an RT .... not so much for an LT as its a bit more important position. I really try to trade back from #1 of I don't believe in the QB's.

Im really torn again as to what to use the first rounder on , QB , OT , pass rusher ...
 
Corrosion said:
#1 might be a bit steep of a price to pay for an RT .... not so much for an LT as its a bit more important position. I really try to trade back from #1 of I don't believe in the QB's.

Im really torn again as to what to use the first rounder on , QB , OT , pass rusher ...
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I think you have to go QB. That's the logical answer really. No team will go anywhere without a QB. We don't have one. After years of complaining about Schaub we will finally be in a position to do something about it.

Bridgewater is not the same caliber of prospect as Luck, but how often does that guy come along? We might be waiting a while if that's what we're holding out for. Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in this draft, JMO, and is easily an upgrade over Schaub/Keenum.
 
To All those in love with Teddy Bridgewater, take a look at his long ball and notice how much air he puts under it in order to get it there. It may be OK in college but in the NFL it's an INT waiting to happen. Can you say floater?????
 
Texian said:
To All those in love with Teddy Bridgewater, take a look at his long ball and notice how much air he puts under it in order to get it there. It may be OK in college but in the NFL it's an INT waiting to happen. Can you say floater?????
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As opposed to the floaters Keenum has been throwing or the floaters that fall short from Schaub?
 
WolverineFan said:
I think you have to go QB. That's the logical answer really. No team will go anywhere without a QB. We don't have one. After years of complaining about Schaub we will finally be in a position to do something about it.

Bridgewater is not the same caliber of prospect as Luck, but how often does that guy come along? We might be waiting a while if that's what we're holding out for. Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in this draft, JMO, and is easily an upgrade over Schaub/Keenum.
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Hard to argue against a QB .... just have to decide which one.


Im not at all sold on Bridgewater. I might take Mariota over him based upon physical talent alone , he's just a bigger , stronger , faster guy .... with a bigger arm. Just not sure which one has the better mental game .... ugh. I hate the position we're in because I think any of them could be busts.
 
Corrosion said:
Hard to argue against a QB .... just have to decide which one.


Im not at all sold on Bridgewater. I might take Mariota over him based upon physical talent alone , he's just a bigger , stronger , faster guy .... with a bigger arm. Just not sure which one has the better mental game .... ugh. I hate the position we're in because I think any of them could be busts.
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Maybe Clowney gets 53 sacks the rest of the season and then runs a 4.35 at the combine .
 
Corrosion said:
Hard to argue against a QB .... just have to decide which one.


Im not at all sold on Bridgewater. I might take Mariota over him based upon physical talent alone , he's just a bigger , stronger , faster guy .... with a bigger arm. Just not sure which one has the better mental game .... ugh. I hate the position we're in because I think any of them could be busts.
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Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.
 
WolverineFan said:
Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.
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Teddy has nimble feet to go along with what you mentioned . That's what stuck out to me .
 
mussop said:
As of today we now have the number 1 pick.
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actually....

•(8:00 PM): Top two picks looking South ... Jacksonville could have pretty much wrapped up the #1 pick at the 2014 draft with a loss today in Houston, but the suddenly resurgent Jaguars won for the second time in three weeks to really tighten up the race to acquire the first pick overall at this year's draft. However, despite the win, Jacksonville will keep the first pick for at least another week as the Jaguars have a considerably weaker strength of schedule than Houston and Atlanta, the other two teams with two losses. In fact, if the draft were held this week, Houston would pick second, followed by Atlanta at #3, with Minnesota, which got a tie with Green Bay earlier today, in the 4th slot. And in the end, who gets the top pick this year could come down to the rematch between the #1 Jaguars and #2 Texans in two weeks. As usual, the full, updated first-round selection order for the upcoming draft will be posted after tomorrow night's Monday nighter.

http://gbnreport.com/
 
WolverineFan said:
Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.
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Pretty much. He has a nfl arm in the mold of manning,kelly,eli. His poise is about the best I've seen for a guy that young. There will be people talking trading down which foolish. Makes no sense for texans.
 
WolverineFan said:
Passing on the best QB in the draft for a RT sounds like a solid Plan B......
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Trade down get a top 10 number 1 a 2014 # 2 and a 2015 # 1. Fill the holes this draft yr and use the 2 number 1;s and a 2016 # 1 to move up to take Winston,Petty or my #1 guy Hogan.

Hopefully the new regime will focus on the foundation 1st instead of the HWNSNBM all over again,

This is the right way to build a team. Hopefully the new regime will know what they're doing.
 
steelbtexan said:
Trade down get a top 10 number 1 a 2014 # 2 and a 2015 # 1. Fill the holes this draft yr and use the 2 number 1;s and a 2016 # 1 to move up to take Winston,Petty or my #1 guy Hogan.

Hopefully the new regime will focus on the foundation 1st instead of the HWNSNBM all over again,

This is the right way to build a team. Hopefully the new regime will know what they're doing.
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What if Winston is in jail ?!
 
WolverineFan said:
Bridgewater definitely has the better mental game. That's why so many scouts like him. Watch his pocket presence and his progressions. Look at how unconcerned he is with the blitz and how quickly he gets the ball out under pressure. The only knock on him is competition. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's more than enough. IMO, the only reason he's not a consensus can't miss QB prospect is because he doesn't have the arm cannon that Stafford, Flacco, etc have.
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After the last 8 yrs of Schaub, I would rather draft McCarron in the 3rd (Same size/arm stegth/taler etc in the 3rrd rd than take Bridgewater #1 over all. They have many of the same attributrs.
 
leebigeztx said:
Pretty much. He has a nfl arm in the mold of manning,kelly,eli. His poise is about the best I've seen for a guy that young. There will be people talking trading down which foolish. Makes no sense for texans.
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Unless you think the 2015 QB ckass is better and you can use the 2014 class to build the team correctly. We tried what you're suggesting repeating the HWNSNBM mistake again?
 
steelbtexan said:
They did: 2010
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I meant "first pick of the draft" meltdown. It would have been nice to have to choose between Luck and RG3.

I think they are some very good FB players available in the upcoming draft, but I'm not sure there is a sure fire stud. I think talent wise it's Clowney but I hate hearing a player has motor issues
 
steelbtexan said:
After the last 8 yrs of Schaub, I would rather draft McCarron in the 3rd (Same size/arm stegth/taler etc in the 3rrd rd than take Bridgewater #1 over all. They have many of the same attributrs.
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And with that torn ACL he suffered this week he is just as mobile as Schaub too.

*Disregard - I'm a dumba$$*
 
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I bet anything Teddy Bridgewater prays every day that we fall to the first round pick so he can end up here in Houston rather than in Jacksonville :kitten:
 
steelbtexan said:
After the last 8 yrs of Schaub, I would rather draft McCarron in the 3rd (Same size/arm stegth/taler etc in the 3rrd rd than take Bridgewater #1 over all. They have many of the same attributrs.
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So you would rather have Schaub Jr instead of a guy who compares favorably to Andrew Luck, albeit not quite that talented?

Bridgewater has the same quick release, quick feet, great pocket presence, and quick decision making that Luck does. The only thing he doesn't have is Luck's experience calling plays and making adjustments at the line or his elite arm.

I've seen what Schaub and McCarron can do. We don't need a game mananger. Game managers don't win championships unless they have the 2000 Ravens defense behind them. The league has changed and you need a Quarterback to win big.
 
WolverineFan said:
So you would rather have Schaub Jr instead of a guy who compares favorably to Andrew Luck, albeit not quite that talented?

Bridgewater has the same quick release, quick feet, great pocket presence, and quick decision making that Luck does. The only thing he doesn't have is Luck's experience calling plays and making adjustments at the line or his elite arm.

I've seen what Schaub and McCarron can do. We don't need a game mananger. Game managers don't win championships unless they have the 2000 Ravens defense behind them. The league has changed and you need a Quarterback to win big.
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I'd say Teddy doesn't have Luck's size . Teddy is quicker in his movements , sliding in the pocket and release . Like Luck , Teddy operates an offense used in the pros WCO . Like Luck , Teddy graduates in December of his junior year .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I'd say Teddy doesn't have Luck's size . Teddy is quicker in his movements , sliding in the pocket and release . Like Luck , Teddy operates an offense used in the pros WCO . Like Luck , Teddy graduates in December of his junior year .
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I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.
 
WolverineFan said:
I agree. My point to Steel though was why take McCarron and perpetuate the cycle. You can't win championships in the NFL with game managers. If you see him as Schaub Jr then why are you contemplating drafting him instead of running as fast as you can in the other direction.

Scouts see McCarron as an average or above average starter in the league. He's a guy who won't turn the ball over and can solidify a team's QB position. But he'll never take you to the promised land. He's basically Alex Smith.

Scouts see Bridgewater as a guy who can take his team to the next level, a lot like Luck did immediately with the Colts. The Colts have a horrible O-Line, a few good WR's and TE's and some not very good RB's. Luck carried them to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year.

If you see that guy, you grab him and build around him. You don't build around nothing and just wait 10 years for that guy to hopefully come along and you hopefully be in a position to grab him.
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I was just saying the same thing yesterday to a friend. Why spend a draft pick on a "game manager"? If that's all you want at the QB position bring in a vet with those qualities at the vet minimum.

I want a gun slinger. A guy that has attributes that will allow him to carry a team at times. I don't care which ever one of Bridgewater, Manzel or Mariota rise to the top in the draft process is fine with me. Hell it may be another guy like Carr or metenburger (sp). Whatever!

If none of the QB's stand out then and only then I would trade down. Even then I would still target QB with first pick. I could see a scenario where we use our second round pick to trade up into the first for our QB but no later than that.
 
WolverineFan said:
So you would rather have Schaub Jr instead of a guy who compares favorably to Andrew Luck, albeit not quite that talented?

Bridgewater has the same quick release, quick feet, great pocket presence, and quick decision making that Luck does. The only thing he doesn't have is Luck's experience calling plays and making adjustments at the line or his elite arm.

I've seen what Schaub and McCarron can do. We don't need a game mananger. Game managers don't win championships unless they have the 2000 Ravens defense behind them. The league has changed and you need a Quarterback to win big.
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I really dont want a QB from this draft. Teddy doesn't have elite arm strength, I want my franchise QB to have elite arm strength and to have played against top competition. Teddy is a media darling who will be a good not great QB.

Now the 2015 QB's have all of the qualities I look for in a franchise QB. I just hope they dont reach for a QB because they need one.
 
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