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Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?

DocBar

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I posted this in another thread. If you like Russel Wilson as a QB and consider him top 5, Watson has to be in the discussion for top 6.
Not to mention coaching and offensive system being ran. Watson has a career completion % of 66.8% and Wilson has a career completion % of 64.5 with a completion % of 63.4 after 3 seasons. Wilson was 794 for 1,252 with 72 TDs and 26 INTs after 3 seasons. Watson was 804 for 1204 with 71 TDs and 29 INTs after 3 seasons. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts. Facts can be pesky to a personal narrative.If you care to bring up sacks, Wilson had 119 through 3 seasons and Watson has 125. IMO, playcalling and coaching separate these two QBs much more than pure talent and abilities. The stats and facts bear that out.
Wilson
Watson
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Why do you guys want the QB position unsettled again? This just blows my my mind. We finally, finally, finally, finally get the QB that’s good enough to take us there, so why even entertain trade talk?

i understand what’s going on here. Some of you draftnicks are just so incredibly butt hurt that we don’t have 1st and 2nd round draft picks anymore, that you’re willing come up with some perverted circle logic to justify getting rid of THE player that can take us there.

O’Brien has really infected some some of you.
 

OptimisticTexan

Hall of Fame
Why do you guys want the QB position unsettled again? This just blows my my mind. We finally, finally, finally, finally get the QB that’s good enough to take us there, so why even entertain trade talk?

i understand what’s going on here. Some of you draftnicks are just so incredibly butt hurt that we don’t have 1st and 2nd round draft picks anymore, that you’re willing come up with some perverted circle logic to justify getting rid of THE player that can take us there.

O’Brien has really infected some some of you.
Simple question....do you see Watson leading the Texans to the AFCCG much less the SB with OB and his staff at the helm?

If your answer was no, then someone has to go. I believe Cal is under the impression he can't do this without OB.
 

RGV82

Random guy
Simple question....do you see Watson leading the Texans to the AFCCG much less the SB with OB and his staff at the helm?

If your answer was no, then someone has to go. I believe Cal is under the impression he can't do this without OB.
That is a complex question. In short, no, I do not think that Watson will lead us to an AFC Championship, but not because of his talent. There are way too many factors. The state of our entire franchise is in shambles right now. Not only BOB, but the front office, coaching staff, defense, etc. all need to be rebuilt, and by the time that happens, Watson will be an afterthought. None of this falls on Watson though. He is just in the wrong place, wrong time right now.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
That is a complex question. In short, no, I do not think that Watson will lead us to an AFC Championship, but not because of his talent. There are way too many factors. The state of our entire franchise is in shambles right now. Not only BOB, but the front office, coaching staff, defense, etc. all need to be rebuilt, and by the time that happens, Watson will be an afterthought. None of this falls on Watson though. He is just in the wrong place, wrong time right now.
So trading him away, and making the position again a question mark accomplishes what exactly?

Some of you need to take a deep breath. Seriously, because I’m wondering if you’re even realizing how desparste you sound.
 

RGV82

Random guy
So trading him away, and making the position again a question mark accomplishes what exactly?

Some of you need to take a deep breath. Seriously, because I’m wondering if you’re even realizing how desparste you sound.
What? Where did I say I would trade him away? I definitely do NOT want to trade him away. My point was that I do not think any QB would be successful under our current circumstances.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Stop and think for a minute. Assuming you’re correct that BOB isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Let’s just assume, for the sake of argument it’s a fact. Well, BOB just announced yesterday that he fully intends on keeping Watson here for the rest of his career, and pay him accordingly.

So since the idea, or even the thought, of trading Watson is never going to happen, I’m interested in what other options you might have. I’m all ears.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
What? Where did I say I would trade him away? I definitely do NOT want to trade him away. My point was that I do not think any QB would be successful under our current circumstances.
Sorry if I misread you. Op-Tex sure sounds like he does, and the title of this thread sure sounds like others are entertaining it, if that‘s the right word to use.
 

OptimisticTexan

Hall of Fame
Sorry if I misread you. Op-Tex sure sounds like he does, and the title of this thread sure sounds like others are entertaining it, if that‘s the right word to use.
OB isn't going anywhere since he's talking about keeping and signing Watson for the long term. See, I really like Watson but OB will be in charge of the second regime to destroy a RD1 QB in the Texans short history. I would like to see what Watson could do in the NFL with a different organization.
 

DocBar

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So trading him away, and making the position again a question mark accomplishes what exactly?

Some of you need to take a deep breath. Seriously, because I’m wondering if you’re even realizing how desperate you sound.
It's the off season and a message board. It's not like Cal is reading these posts and thinking maybe we're on to something.
Personally, I'd give two 1sts and two 2nds for someone to take OB off our hands. Just a bunch of thought exercises.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Below is the drive chart for the Texans. Highlighted yellow are the drives after the last FG.
View attachment 5446
And Houston won the TOP by dang near 10 minutes. But the longest KC TD drive was 3:55 so it's a bit misleading. Just a bad, bad, display of football. Coaching and playing.
We didn’t have the ball much either. Only 2 times in the the 3rd and 3 times in the 4th. You can’t generate much like that big timer.
 

ATXtexanfan

Hall of Fame
I would much more blame on who coaches Watson's side of the ball than Watson himself. Mahomes has a coach who actually understands how to attack an defense, Watson doesn't.
This is true. Watson needs to make a business decision. It ain't happening under OB
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
OB should have been fired by now. His offense doesn't belong in the NFL after watching these 4 teams that were left.
Take the Packers off of this list too. They look horrendous out there tonight. The 49ers are giving them a grade A ash whipping. Total domination

Embarrassing to say the least
 

santo

All Pro
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Take the Packers off of this list too. They look horrendous out there tonight. The 49ers are giving them a grade A ash whipping. Total domination

Embarrassing to say the least
The 49 defense is that good though. So I give the Packers a pass. Plus Aaron is getting up there in age too.
 

ubecool454

Veteran
Though we lost, I’m still kind of happy. watching Watson vs top tier qbs is the same entertainment value as watching the super bowl. He looked like a top 3 Qb prime cam mix with Rodgers. It’s a reason why we’ve been prime time since we drafted him. The gm knew that at the time. Watson’s going toe to toe with the best. He’s been clutch but the defense keeps letting him down (Pats, hawks, eagles, saints). Which leads me to ask after week 1 after watching every qb highlights, where would you rank Watson at his position.
Watson=Andre Luck. He will quit soon.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Then someone has to go? Trading him away helps the situation? How? What does that accomplish?

Yeah , trading him away does actually help the situation …. It means no more 9-7 / 10-6 for OB.
He'll go 0fer16 with this craptastic squad he's put together …. and that likely gets him fired …. finally.

Its a step backwards …. to finally go forward.

(This is suppose to be humorous , not serious)
 

DocBar

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Yeah , trading him away does actually help the situation …. It means no more 9-7 / 10-6 for OB.
He'll go 0fer16 with this craptastic squad he's put together …. and that likely gets him fired …. finally.

Its a step backwards …. to finally go forward.

(This is suppose to be humorous , not serious)
It's also sad but true.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Then someone has to go? Trading him away helps the situation? How? What does that accomplish?
because it allows building team with 3-5 starters and allows OBrien to bring in QB that he wants and believes fits his system. Another benefit is if he convinces CAL he could get to SB with "his guy" and then doesn't it hurts him. Too many of us keep :slapfight: and saying here's the problem but nothing get fixed. OB is not leaving--ask Greg Olsen--if Watson remains we keep ending up same place. A +B = C unless A or B changes.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Stop and think for a minute. Assuming you’re correct that BOB isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Let’s just assume, for the sake of argument it’s a fact. Well, BOB just announced yesterday that he fully intends on keeping Watson here for the rest of his career, and pay him accordingly.

So since the idea, or even the thought, of trading Watson is never going to happen, I’m interested in what other options you might have. I’m all ears.
Interesting, please provide link OBrien said he is intending to keep Watson.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Interesting, please provide link OBrien said he is intending to keep Watson.
Um OK.....


Relative to those things, I really don’t want to talk about those things publicly,” O’Brien told reporters Monday. “I can tell you publicly, though, that we obviously want the Deshaun Watson here for a long, long time. We want him to be a Houston Texan for his career. He is a great person, he’s a great football player and he means a lot to this organization, to this city, to this league.”

He already has the QB that he wants. What is it exactly that gives the idea that he doesn’t?
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
He also said he intended to Watson here for the rest of his career at the last press conference, when he was asked for his reaction to Watson defending him.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
So trade away the only positive thing the franchise has going for it in order to keep OBrien? That right?

NO …. to get rid of Obrien , otherwise we're likely 9-7 / 10-6 every year and OB isn't going anywhere under those circumstances.

The fact is that as long as OB is the coach , this team is going nowhere fast.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Um OK.....



He already has the QB that he wants. What is it exactly that gives the idea that he doesn’t?
I think you miss the point here …. Its not about OB having the QB he wants , its about us having the coach we want. One that can take us to a Super Bowl - OB isn't that guy.

Would you give up Watson to finally rid the city of OB ? Or do you prefer the status quo …. 9-7 / 10-6 and maybe a WC game win and then throw a party when they lose in the divisional round ?!?
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Why do you guys want the QB position unsettled again? This just blows my my mind. We finally, finally, finally, finally get the QB that’s good enough to take us there, so why even entertain trade talk?

i understand what’s going on here. Some of you draftnicks are just so incredibly butt hurt that we don’t have 1st and 2nd round draft picks anymore, that you’re willing come up with some perverted circle logic to justify getting rid of THE player that can take us there.

O’Brien has really infected some some of you.
Did you see Mahomes yesterday? DW4'S not catching up with that, regardless of who the HC is.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
I think you miss the point here …. Its not about OB having the QB he wants , its about us having the coach we want. One that can take us to a Super Bowl - OB isn't that guy.

Would you give up Watson to finally rid the city of OB ? Or do you prefer the status quo …. 9-7 / 10-6 and maybe a WC game win and then throw a party when they lose in the divisional round ?!?
Hey, I was just responding to badboy’s request that I provide a link to OB’s desire that Watson play here his entire career. Badboy had this mistaken impression that O‘Brien didn’t think that Watson fit his system.

You guys can make your point perfectly clear about O’Brien not being the one to take the team to the next level. Bringing Watson into it just mucks your point up.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Did you see Mahomes yesterday? DW4'S not catching up with that, regardless of who the HC is.
So what are you trying to say? That he’s not good enough?

Spit it out. I want you and anyone else here on record as saying that Deshaun Watson is not good enough for this team.

And leave O’Brien out of it.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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So what are you trying to say? That he’s not good enough?

Spit it out. I want you and anyone else here on record as saying that Deshaun Watson is not good enough for this team.

And leave O’Brien out of it.
I've been on record and I'm trying to keep my DW4 thoughts in the DW4 multiple threads. I'm more than willing to talk about this but would like to take this to the DW4 is a top 5 QB thread. Top 5 LMAO

But to answer your question, he ain't good enough and is nowhere in the same class as Mahomes is as a QB. Mahomes is a rare gifted player.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
I've been on record and I'm trying to keep my DW4 thoughts in the DW4 multiple threads. I'm more than willing to talk about this but would like to take this to the DW4 is a top 5 QB thread. Top 5 LMAO

But to answer your question, he ain't good enough and is nowhere in the same class as Mahomes is as a QB. Mahomes is a rare gifted player.
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
 


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