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Warren Moon A Football Life

toronto

toronto

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Anyone watching? Can't think of anything better to watch on Yom Kippur. Man what memories.
 
I watched. It is one of the programs set for series record so that I can see them all.
 
Some nuggets that I forgot or it's been too long..

The small mindedness of NFL and even college execs on black QBs. He really was up against it.

I almost forgot about his runs in Seattle and KC. I remember how ill it made me seeing him in purple. Kinda funny watching his back and forth with Cris Carter.

The highlights of the KC game where he almost took down Van Brocklins record as well as a look at the best spiral I ever saw. Loved the way they described a ball leaving his hand.

Was enjoyable, not as fun or agonizing as the 1993 Oilers Football life, but still good stuff.
 
silvrhand said:
wtf.. it's a football life, not a digression into his personal life.. People need to stop worry about what everyone does on their own time.
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Why? These are public figures. The NFL suspends players for things they do on their own time. What players do with their own time is not inconsequential, especially if your harming others with your personal behavior.


Anyway, I did enjoy watching Moon play on Sunday's as a kid growing up. By the time he was charged the Oilers had moved, I went off to college and stopped watching the NFL.
 
Lucky said:
Did they bring up Moon's domestic violence charge?
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Yes, however it was initially slanted like it never really happened. Something along the lines that the maid heard him yelling at her, called the police and the police were led to believe that he was striking her. Which Moon said both him and Felicia told them didn't happen.

Then it goes on to show the court case where he was exonerated. HOWEVER, he then admits that he JUST choked her to calm her down.

There were some things that I didn't know or remember well. I didn't realize that Moon would have been in the same draft class as Earl. I always think of Earl as being an era ahead of Moon. Which he was when it came to the Oilers (Luv Ya Blue opposed to the Run and Shoot era).

What I didn't know is that he signed in Canada before the draft. So he didn't even test the waters with the NFL draft. Of course a team could have still drafted him however I wonder if he would have been drafted had he not signed in Canada.

Also, you always hear that he would not have been drafted because he was a black QB, however the Bucs drafted Doug Williams in the 1st round that same draft.

Another thing is that he admitted that he never played relaxed. He was always too tense and he said he wished he would have just been more loose and had fun with the game. That explains a lot to me because as great as he was his issue was choking (no pun intended) when it mattered most, especially in the playoffs.

I think that was the most obvious in the Buffalo game. In the first half he lit it up and built a 28-3 lead. However when the defense started imploding and blowing the lead, Moon also started tensing up. If he would have remained calm and sustained some drives in the 2nd half the Bills would not have been able to come back no matter what the defense was giving up.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Yes, however it was initially slanted like it never really happened. Something along the lines that the maid heard him yelling at her, called the police and the police were led to believe that he was striking her. Which Moon said both him and Felicia told them didn't happen.

Then it goes on to show the court case where he was exonerated. HOWEVER, he then admits that he JUST choked her to calm her down.

There were some things that I didn't know or remember well. I didn't realize that Moon would have been in the same draft class as Earl. I always think of Earl as being an era ahead of Moon. Which he was when it came to the Oilers (Luv Ya Blue opposed to the Run and Shoot era).

What I didn't know is that he signed in Canada before the draft. So he didn't even test the waters with the NFL draft. Of course a team could have still drafted him however I wonder if he would have been drafted had he not signed in Canada.

Also, you always hear that he would not have been drafted because he was a black QB, however the Bucs drafted Doug Williams in the 1st round that same draft.

Another thing is that he admitted that he never played relaxed. He was always too tense and he said he wished he would have just been more loose and had fun with the game. That explains a lot to me because as great as he was his issue was choking (no pun intended) when it mattered most, especially in the playoffs.

I think that was the most obvious in the Buffalo game. In the first half he lit it up and built a 28-3 lead. However when the defense started imploding and blowing the lead, Moon also started tensing up. If he would have remained calm and sustained some drives in the 2nd half the Bills would not have been able to come back no matter what the defense was giving up.
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He had an ego. He yanked himself out of the draft because he was being told or asked if he could play other positions. He was also told he would be a late pick, which angered him. I too forgot that the only reason the Oilers got him was that by avoiding the draft he became a UFA.

His ex wife was pretty clear she didn't feel abused. There didn't appear to be any animosity on her part at all. They all looked quite at peace, especially his kids.

Also liked the story why he chose 1 for his number. Explained his personality a lot.
 
I remember when Warren Moon signed with Edmonton. I was ticked off that Montreal didn't get him, lol. Back then, Chuck Ealey was a big CFL star & I thought he was better than Joe Theismann, so I figured Warren Moon had to be really good. Plus Edmonton was an up & coming team, so it wasn't surprising they won 5 championships. Good to see him in the CFL Hall of Fame, too.

Earl Campbell is why I cheered for the Oilers so I was screaming when they got him. Too bad they didn't play together for long. Then again, Moon was a passer & his spirals were fun to watch. I missed the game against Kansas City, though; had to work. I thought for sure he'd win a Super Bowl before he retired, though.
 
toronto said:
His ex wife was pretty clear she didn't feel abused. There didn't appear to be any animosity on her part at all. They all looked quite at peace, especially his kids.
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Here's an interview Felicia Moon gave Channel 2 News last month:

Felicia Moon says for years no one knew the pain she says she suffered at the hands of her ex-husband, Houston Oilers star Warren Moon.


I know what it's like to fight for my marriage despite the horrible mistakes my husband may have made i know what it's like to think well maybe this is that one thing that's going to change him," Moon said.


Her private suffering eventually went public. Prosecutors charged Moon with scratching, hitting and choking Felicia and tried him for spousal abuse in 1996. A jury acquitted him of the charges.


"I've been there before, I've experienced the media at your door I've experienced being the subject of conversations of radio and television and it's a difficult place for her right now it's a difficult situation."
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Also, Moon's wife filed a restraining order in 1986.

Fort Bend County records show that an action filed by a lawyer on behalf of Felicia Moon against her husband 10 years ago contended that Moon had "physically attacked her on three separate occasions."


A petition filed on Feb. 8, 1986, said Moon had "attacked her in the driveway of her home" and "beat her with closed fists in the presence of the children" on Feb. 5. The case was dismissed on July 7, 1987, "for want of prosecution," the records show.
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With no video, only those there truly know what happen. But when there's this much smoke, there's a good chance of fire.

As Hookem points out, Doug Williams went in the 1st round the year Moon was draft eligible. And Moon wasn't a prostyle QB at Washington (Williams was at Grambling). That hurt Moon as much as his race. I don't think the NFL's past prejudice against black QBs is overplayed. I do think Warren Moon's claim of discrimination is.
 
Moon was/is an asshat. A drunk that beat up on women

On the field, I think he's the last very good QB Houston has seen. McNair was gone before Houston got to see him in his prime.

*sigh*
 
Lucky said:
As Hookem points out, Doug Williams went in the 1st round the year Moon was draft eligible. And Moon wasn't a prostyle QB at Washington (Williams was at Grambling). That hurt Moon as much as his race. I don't think the NFL's past prejudice against black QBs is overplayed. I do think Warren Moon's claim of discrimination is.
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Not discrediting Doug Williams at all as he was very good, but I believe John McKay had a significant impact on drafting him. While McKay was a tough coach he was fair and didn't see color when it came to evaluating talent and keep in mind the Bucs were a terrible team so while the idea of doing something unconventional might have raised a few eyebrows, to McKay and the Bucs it was who's the best player to get us on the right track.

As far as the discrimination goes keep in mind that into the 80's, outside Doug Williams, Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham there weren't many other regular starting black QB's (Vince Exans?) to my knowledge. Maybe there just weren't many good black QB's at that time, however it's hard to quantify that given that it was still common to convert a black QB to a different position, either in college or after, to would maximize athletic ability.

That being said, I'm biased. I like Moon, I looked up to him as a kid and he's my favorite QB of all time, I've even read his autobiography. An overarching theme of it is discrimination and its unfairness and to an extent he dwells on it, but I stop at saying he has overplayed or overemphasized it. While one can see the progress that has been made I didn't walk in his shoes and he overcame a lot of issues someone like me would never even worry about simply because of the color of my skin.
 
atomictelephone said:
Maybe there just weren't many good black QB's at that time, however it's hard to quantify that given that it was still common to convert a black QB to a different position, either in college or after, to would maximize athletic ability.
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That's the key word. The NFL uses the NCAA as a developmental league. If there weren't black prostyle QBs available to draft, they couldn't draft them. I think a case can be made that Moon, Williams, and Cunningham's NFL success led to more opportunities for college black QBs in passing offenses.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Yes, however it was initially slanted like it never really happened. Something along the lines that the maid heard him yelling at her, called the police and the police were led to believe that he was striking her. Which Moon said both him and Felicia told them didn't happen.

Then it goes on to show the court case where he was exonerated. HOWEVER, he then admits that he JUST choked her to calm her down.

There were some things that I didn't know or remember well. I didn't realize that Moon would have been in the same draft class as Earl. I always think of Earl as being an era ahead of Moon. Which he was when it came to the Oilers (Luv Ya Blue opposed to the Run and Shoot era).

What I didn't know is that he signed in Canada before the draft. So he didn't even test the waters with the NFL draft. Of course a team could have still drafted him however I wonder if he would have been drafted had he not signed in Canada.

Also, you always hear that he would not have been drafted because he was a black QB, however the Bucs drafted Doug Williams in the 1st round that same draft.

Another thing is that he admitted that he never played relaxed. He was always too tense and he said he wished he would have just been more loose and had fun with the game. That explains a lot to me because as great as he was his issue was choking (no pun intended) when it mattered most, especially in the playoffs.

I think that was the most obvious in the Buffalo game. In the first half he lit it up and built a 28-3 lead. However when the defense started imploding and blowing the lead, Moon also started tensing up. If he would have remained calm and sustained some drives in the 2nd half the Bills would not have been able to come back no matter what the defense was giving up.
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Great post, and excellent point about Doug Williams. I did not realize that he was in the same draft. Very interesting, and really supports Lucky's points about NFL's prejudice against black QBs but Moon's tendency to overplay discrimination.

I like Moon, but I see him for what he is: a great regular season QB who was never clutch when it mattered the most. Joe Montana on those Oilers teams would have won Super Bowls. Too much talent, and guys like Elway, Montana, etc., would have never let a 33 point lead get away as QBs.

It was not Moon's fault, but he certainly was a part of it. He played a beautful, almost perfect, first half of football. But, the game is 60 minutes, and his self-absorbed style and lack of vocal leadership is clearly evident every time I re-watch that game....every freakin' year.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great post, and excellent point about Doug Williams. I did not realize that he was in the same draft. Very interesting, and really supports Lucky's points about NFL's prejudice against black QBs but Moon's tendency to overplay discrimination.

I like Moon, but I see him for what he is: a great regular season QB who was never clutch when it mattered the most. Joe Montana on those Oilers teams would have won Super Bowls. Too much talent, and guys like Elway, Montana, etc., would have never let a 33 point lead get away as QBs.

It was not Moon's fault, but he certainly was a part of it. He played a beautful, almost perfect, first half of football. But, the game is 60 minutes, and his self-absorbed style and lack of vocal leadership is clearly evident every time I re-watch that game....every freakin' year.
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Funny, I re-watch the Denver game and KC game over and over again (**** am I a masochist) and Montana/Elway don't lose those games either.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great post, and excellent point about Doug Williams. I did not realize that he was in the same draft. Very interesting, and really supports Lucky's points about NFL's prejudice against black QBs but Moon's tendency to overplay discrimination.

I like Moon, but I see him for what he is: a great regular season QB who was never clutch when it mattered the most. Joe Montana on those Oilers teams would have won Super Bowls. Too much talent, and guys like Elway, Montana, etc., would have never let a 33 point lead get away as QBs.

It was not Moon's fault, but he certainly was a part of it. He played a beautful, almost perfect, first half of football. But, the game is 60 minutes, and his self-absorbed style and lack of vocal leadership is clearly evident every time I re-watch that game....every freakin' year.
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Moon can be blamed for a lot of things; his horrific knack for fumbling and ego (although that's never bothered me) and obviously lack of playoff success. Obviously he was a part of it and so were other 21 starters on the team were all involved in that loss. The defense was ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS and couldn't stop a BACKUP quarterback. And this wasn't Jim Kelly we're talking about, this was Frank freaking Reich. Eddy was fired the next day for a reason. Moon was even able to bring the team back to tie the game before going into OT.

And to say Montana, Elway would have won SB's, likely with those '91 - '93 teams, is a huge disservice to both the Buffalo Bills and obviously the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas was obviously unstoppable during that time, one of the greatest teams in history, while the Bill's were rightfully unsurpassed in the AFC and a great team in their own right.
 
infantrycak said:
Damn, I didn't have you pegged for a masochist.
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He remained a fan of that franchise after they gave him the best reason to abandon them which was screwing over their fan base.

Ironically they just blew another 28-3 halftime lead this weekend, setting more infamous choke records.
 
Hookem Horns said:
He remained a fan of that franchise after they gave him the best reason to abandon them which was screwing over their fan base.

Ironically they just blew another 28-3 halftime lead this weekend, setting more infamous choke records.
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Its always good to get new memories to add to the past ones. Uh, Leafs game tomorrow...ahh crap.
 
atomictelephone said:
Moon can be blamed for a lot of things; his horrific knack for fumbling and ego (although that's never bothered me) and obviously lack of playoff success. Obviously he was a part of it and so were other 21 starters on the team were all involved in that loss. The defense was ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS and couldn't stop a BACKUP quarterback. And this wasn't Jim Kelly we're talking about, this was Frank freaking Reich. Eddy was fired the next day for a reason. Moon was even able to bring the team back to tie the game before going into OT.

And to say Montana, Elway would have won SB's, likely with those '91 - '93 teams, is a huge disservice to both the Buffalo Bills and obviously the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas was obviously unstoppable during that time, one of the greatest teams in history, while the Bill's were rightfully unsurpassed in the AFC and a great team in their own right.
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Re-watch that game. Once the tide started turning Moon choked up also. A great QB would have remained calm and orchestrated a few sustained drives to stem the tide. However Moon got erratic in the 2nd half allowing the Bills to quickly get the ball back a couple of times.

After Buffalo scored their first TD, they recovered an onside kick and scored another one to make it 35-17. When Moon and the offense get back on the field they go 3 and out only gaining 3 yards. Oilers punt and Buffalo scores another TD, now it's 35-24.

Moon really needs now to sustain a drive to calm things down. What does he do? Throws a pick on the first play. From there Buffalo goes down and makes it 35-31. You knew it was over once they were within 4 points.

Sure, he finally gained some composure and drove the team down to 2 FG attempts on their next 2 drives, one was fumbled and the other was good to send it to OT. However his pick in OT sealed the deal.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Re-watch that game. Once the tide started turning Moon choked up also. A great QB would have remained calm and orchestrated a few sustained drives to stem the tide. However Moon got erratic in the 2nd half allowing the Bills to quickly get the ball back a couple of times.

After Buffalo scored their first TD, they recovered an onside kick and scored another one to make it 35-17. When Moon and the offense get back on the field they go 3 and out only gaining 3 yards. Oilers punt and Buffalo scores another TD, now it's 35-24.

Moon really needs now to sustain a drive to calm things down. What does he do? Throws a pick on the first play. From there Buffalo goes down and makes it 35-31. You knew it was over once they were within 4 points.

Sure, he finally gained some composure and drove the team down to 2 FG attempts on their next 2 drives, one was fumbled and the other was good to send it to OT. However his pick in OT sealed the deal.
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And the defense allowed four passing TD's in the second half each over 15 yards, two of which were over 25 yards and forced one punt.
 
atomictelephone said:
And the defense allowed four passing TD's in the second half each over 15 yards, two of which were over 25 yards and forced one punt.
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Yes, the defense was deplorable. Everyone choked and I am not arguing that. If Moon would have kept up what he was doing the 1st half maybe the defense would have settled down. If the defense would have finally stopped the Bills maybe Moon would have settled down. My point is Moon was key to that collapse also.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Yes, the defense was deplorable. Everyone choked and I am not arguing that. If Moon would have kept up what he was doing the 1st half maybe the defense would have settled down. If the defense would have finally stopped the Bills maybe Moon would have settled down. My point is Moon was key to that collapse also.
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Seems like it was a team effort, just not in the way coaches intend.
 
toronto said:
Funny, I re-watch the Denver game and KC game over and over again (**** am I a masochist) and Montana/Elway don't lose those games either.
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lol! Good ones! :fingergun:

infantrycak said:
Damn, I didn't have you pegged for a masochist.
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yeah, I'm a sucker for that uniform. I can't help myself. But, it also keeps my life in perspective to never let a spectator sport have that kind of impact on my emotional state. That was the game that did it for me.

To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, they win and we watch. I'm no longer a "we man", but just a fan.

atomictelephone said:
Moon can be blamed for a lot of things; his horrific knack for fumbling and ego (although that's never bothered me) and obviously lack of playoff success. Obviously he was a part of it and so were other 21 starters on the team were all involved in that loss. The defense was ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS and couldn't stop a BACKUP quarterback. And this wasn't Jim Kelly we're talking about, this was Frank freaking Reich. Eddy was fired the next day for a reason. Moon was even able to bring the team back to tie the game before going into OT.
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Yeah, "Moon was even able to bring the team back to tie the game before going into OT"...

...and what was the last pass he threw in OT? That's right, a freakin' pick.

Give me a break. :smiliepalm:

atomictelephone said:
And to say Montana, Elway would have won SB's, likely with those '91 - '93 teams, is a huge disservice to both the Buffalo Bills and obviously the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas was obviously unstoppable during that time, one of the greatest teams in history, while the Bill's were rightfully unsurpassed in the AFC and a great team in their own right.
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I lived those Oilers years, and Moon was NEVER clutch when it mattered most. And I witnessed year after year of playoff games, not just the Oilers but every single playoff game as they happened, so I've see the great ones in action. It is what it is. No whitewashing required. I'm a fan of pro football, you know, the NFL, not just a misguided Oilers fan with delusions.

You can fanboy the truth all you want, but it still remains the truth. I loved the Oilers and have tremendous respect for Moon as a QB, but it is intellectually dishonest to not see his career for what it was in reality. He's not on the same level as Montana, Aikman, Elway.

He's very much like another great HoF QB: Dan Fouts.
 
Double Barrel said:
lol! Good ones! :fingergun:



yeah, I'm a sucker for that uniform. I can't help myself. But, it also keeps my life in perspective to never let a spectator sport have that kind of impact on my emotional state. That was the game that did it for me.

To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, they win and we watch. I'm no longer a "we man", but just a fan.



Yeah, "Moon was even able to bring the team back to tie the game before going into OT"...

...and what was the last pass he threw in OT? That's right, a freakin' pick.

Give me a break. :smiliepalm:



I lived those Oilers years, and Moon was NEVER clutch when it mattered most. And I witnessed year after year of playoff games, not just the Oilers but every single playoff game as they happened, so I've see the great ones in action. It is what it is. No whitewashing required. I'm a fan of pro football, you know, the NFL, not just a misguided Oilers fan with delusions.

You can fanboy the truth all you want, but it still remains the truth. I loved the Oilers and have tremendous respect for Moon as a QB, but it is intellectually dishonest to not see his career for what it was in reality. He's not on the same level as Montana, Aikman, Elway.

He's very much like another great HoF QB: Dan Fouts.
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Great Post

Except how can you respect a man who hangs out at the gentlemans clubs /has a side piece and when he gets called out by his wife, he beats said wife? Yeah, that Warren Moon's a peach alright. That doesn't even include all of the choking you mentioned above. If he would've spent more time at his craft MAYBE he would've been on the level of Montana/Elway/Aikman/Kelly.

But hey, maybe I expect too much out of my team leaders. `
 
toronto said:
I'd take Fouts over him. In a heartbeat.
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Me too,


Fouts had a bad habit of tipping when he called a pass play. It had to do with how he stood when taking a snap before a pass play. Greg Bingham figured this out and it lead to the Neilsen/Carpenter upset it San Diego. One of the greatest upsets in NFL history.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great Post

Except how can you respect a man who hangs out at the gentlemans clubs /has a side piece and when he gets called out by his wife, he beats said wife? Yeah, that Warren Moon's a peach alright. That doesn't even include all of the choking you mentioned above. If he would've spent more time at his craft MAYBE he would've been on the level of Montana/Elway/Aikman/Kelly.

But hey, maybe I expect too much out of my team leaders. `
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Notice I said "respect for Moon as a QB".

As a man, 'eh, not so much.
 
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I finally got to watch the episode on Moon last night. Good job by NFL Films, as always.

It looks like Moon has turned his domestic life around, and good for him! He appears to be a good guy from the outside looking in, so I have no desire to disrespect the man for his past transgressions.

Like Texans Bill said, he man had a perfect spiral on his passes. It looked like that ball was spinning on a string.
 
Watched parts of it today. Rusty Hardin was the go to guy back then, too. Jumped out at me just because of all the AP stuff today.
 
Double Barrel said:
It looks like Moon has turned his domestic life around, and good for him! He appears to be a good guy from the outside looking in, so I have no desire to disrespect the man for his past transgressions.
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He always did. That's what was so surprising about the allegations when the story first broke. Moon always seemed to be a boy scout. It's like the guy has multiple personalities.
 
Lucky said:
He always did. That's what was so surprising about the allegations when the story first broke. Moon always seemed to be a boy scout. It's like the guy has multiple personalities.
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Seeing the story of his life, losing his dad at 7 yo, and then always being 'daddy Moon' to the players on his different teams was enlightening about the guy.

I think he's one of those water-goes-deep kinda' guys, where the calm on the surface does not necessarily reflect what's going on deep inside his head.

It used to drive me crazy as an Oilers fan when he'd sit by himself on the bench during games. Even during 35-7, you see him with a sort of sulking vibe where he'd sit by himself. He obviously does not have a fiery personality, but it's like he never let himself get worked up about anything.

People like that, who bottle up their emotions, tend to be like inactive volcanoes. You never know when it'll erupt, and I guess that's obvious when hearing about his fights with his ex-wife. We never saw that kind of emotion when he wore a football uniform.
 
Double Barrel said:
Seeing the story of his life, losing his dad at 7 yo, and then always being 'daddy Moon' to the players on his different teams was enlightening about the guy.

I think he's one of those water-goes-deep kinda' guys, where the calm on the surface does not necessarily reflect what's going on deep inside his head.

It used to drive me crazy as an Oilers fan when he'd sit by himself on the bench during games. Even during 35-7, you see him with a sort of sulking vibe where he'd sit by himself. He obviously does not have a fiery personality, but it's like he never let himself get worked up about anything.

People like that, who bottle up their emotions, tend to be like inactive volcanoes. You never know when it'll erupt, and I guess that's obvious when hearing about his fights with his ex-wife. We never saw that kind of emotion when he wore a football uniform.
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He's/was a coward.
 
Was anyone surprised that his ex-wife had a major role in the episode? I can understand that his current wife wasn't featured since she was not in that part of his history, but I was surprised to see Felicia throughout the program.
 
I don't remember watching Earl play at all and the only thing I remember from the Oilers was that loss to Buffalo. Barely remember Warren Moon. I just remembered Moon Hall that he donated at the church I attended growing up...the church he attended also.

Spent a good chunk of my football cognitive years without a team in Houston. Texans didn't get here until I was in high school.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't remember watching Earl play at all and the only thing I remember from the Oilers was that loss to Buffalo. Barely remember Warren Moon. I just remembered Moon Hall that he donated at the church I attended growing up...the church he attended also.

Spent a good chunk of my football cognitive years without a team in Houston. Texans didn't get here until I was in high school.
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In many ways, you are lucky. The historical chokes of the Oilers - from the '70's Luv Ya Blue years to the epic and consistent choking year after year of the run and shoot - left indelible impressions on many of us old Oilers fans.

I will forever be a cynical sports fan, never truly believing "my team" can win it all until it happens. I expect to see huge leads choked away, never expect "my team" to make huge come from behind wins, and honestly wonder if this city suffers from some kind of football 'curse', even though I'm not superstitious. All of this from being an Oilers fan.

Funny, because my buddies who are/were Cowboys fans are the exact opposite because of the historical Cowboys championship histories. 'cak and I have talked about that, and it comes from how we were formed as football fans at impressionable ages.
 
Double Barrel said:
Seeing the story of his life, losing his dad at 7 yo, and then always being 'daddy Moon' to the players on his different teams was enlightening about the guy.

I think he's one of those water-goes-deep kinda' guys, where the calm on the surface does not necessarily reflect what's going on deep inside his head.

It used to drive me crazy as an Oilers fan when he'd sit by himself on the bench during games. Even during 35-7, you see him with a sort of sulking vibe where he'd sit by himself. He obviously does not have a fiery personality, but it's like he never let himself get worked up about anything.

People like that, who bottle up their emotions, tend to be like inactive volcanoes. You never know when it'll erupt, and I guess that's obvious when hearing about his fights with his ex-wife. We never saw that kind of emotion when he wore a football uniform.
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This is a massive problem for me - I can be incredibly passive aggressive and when it builds up too much, man am I no fun when it explodes.
 
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