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WalterFootball 2010 Mock Draft
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playa465
Veteran
I was wondering the same thing too...he did not perform up to par this season according to quite a few Bronco fans but they did have some injury issues on their OL too.
LonerATO
All Pro
Kuper is a ZBS guard and he would do well on he Texans OL. He didn't do well with the new system that McDaniels brought in
badboy
Hall of Fame
How did he do before O scheme changed? I can find nothing to move this guy in over Chester Pitts but 3 years younger.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Why do you pick Dwyer over TG? Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart. Interested in your thoughts.
What do you mean, "Dwyer has a faster 40 but little else comes close to Gerhart."?
Kuper was the LG on a top 5 offensive team when Shanny was there.
Check out Dennisons bio when he was OC if you want to see how Denvers OL did under Shanny/Denny.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I agree with this solution too. But there is no evidence that Kubiak is going to do this. The history has been quite opposite.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
If you want someone to bang it in form the one...Toby is your man. If you want a larger every down back, Dywer is your guy. You have to teach Dwyer to block.
But the question the Texans must answer are they desperate enough to take LeGarrette ? He's big. He's fast for a big man. He has enough wiggle to make the first guy miss. But....he's so close to Lawrence Phillips he scares me to death. That will be the drop dead thumbnail on Steve Slaton...they take Phillips er LeGarrette.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
If Johnson is posting 5.4 fifty's at the combine....he's not going to be on their board. Gotta be able to get down the field and block people down on the fly in this offense. 5.4 won't cut it in the ZBS. He's an in the box power o guy @ 5.4. I'm not arguing he isn't good because he is. He just doesn't fit what we do.
And I'm with ya on fixing something. Everyone knows who I've got the man love for by now.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Dwyers http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236248
Gerharts http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236248
I am not saying Dwyer is a bad guy just that TG is better. The former is more of a sweep around the tackles on a pitch out than up the gut like Gerhart. I want to see how Dwyer's 40 holds up in the combine. I also think Gerhart can block the blitz better than Dwyer but that can be taught.
badboy
Hall of Fame
My concern is a lot of things were different under Shanny that did not convert to our team. The old "any back can get 1000 yds" for example.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
FWIW ... I haven't seen a draft site that ranks Gerhart ahead of Dwyer .
Here's a mock I could live with .
http://www.gbnreport.com/2010projection.html
badboy
Hall of Fame
And you will not even on mine because I get my guy in 2nd and Dwyer goes late first round. I fill the CB hole with Wilson. I think my position is solid getting a shutdown type corner and then the best back at least stat wise. I had Dwyer just ahead of TG until both played their final game.
I'm not a believer in the any old RB theory either.
I've got Dwyer as my no.1 rated RB in this draft. He reminds me of Jonathon Stewart. I like Gerhart alot also but the fumbling issues concern me. After last season if I'm Smithiak stay away from RB's with fumbling issues at all costs.
I hope they try to trade a 5th rd pick for Hillis and draft L.Coker (you should check him out he can return KR/PR) in the 6th rd. This would solve the suckitude that was the Texans RB corps last year.
Or they can just sign Larry Johnson in FA. LOL
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think of Jonathan Stewart as a more up the middle power back and Dwyer as a pitch out to go around end with his speed or maybe a slant as the tackle blocks in towards the center. I think Dwyer can be effective in our scheme but prefer a Stewart type.
You obviously havent watched enough of Dwyer. He is just as good at breaking tackles as Gerhart. And I dont think its a reach to say he will be better in the pros at running up the middle that Gerhart.
Dwyer is 5'11 235 LBS.
Dwyer spent the last 2 yrs as the fullback in a triple option attack. His main strength is running up the middle. That's what he did for the last 2 yrs.
He's faster than Gerhart, they're about the the same size and Dwyer is less of a fumbler.
The difference is that Dwyer will go in the 1st rd and Gerhart will go in the 3rd rd. IMO
Making Gerhart jast as good if not a better value than Dwyer. It's a flip of the coin really.
Dwyer spent the last 2 yrs as the fullback in a triple option attack. His main strength is running up the middle. That's what he did for the last 2 yrs.
He's faster than Gerhart, they're about the the same size and Dwyer is less of a fumbler.
The difference is that Dwyer will go in the 1st rd and Gerhart will go in the 3rd rd. IMO
Making Gerhart jast as good if not a better value than Dwyer. It's a flip of the coin really.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I watched Dwyer only this year when on TV. The few times he actually carried the ball through the middle, I saw little to excite me. He seemed to operate from the option to the left side and occasionally to the right off tackle. I saw nothing to make me like him for Texans but his stats were very good. As RMARTIN65 knows, Dwyers was my guy until he told me about Gerhart. I'll take your word for his value cause I sure did not see it. In fact, I'd probably rate Mathews then Dixon over Dwyer for Houston.
Dwyer is a guy people look at his measurables and like. Then that taints the viewing of him. Just watch him play. Yes the speed for his size is impressive, but he is not a natural RB. All he does are dives up the middle, showing little to know lateral agility. Add in the amount of rushing options on that team, teams could not afford to key on Dwyer.
Thats absolutely crazy. Dwyer is 10X more natural RB than Gerhart who is really nothing more than a FB with good speed who looked better than he really is because he ran behind an OL that consistantly opened huge holes for him. You put Dwyer behind Stanfords line and he blows away anything Gerhart accomplished.
There really is no comparison between the two. Dwyer is a first round talented RB, Gerhart is (at best) a 3rd round talent.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I also think Dwyer is the much better prospect. He could be a workhorse back in his rookie year IMO.
Thats a pretty big assumption - Gerhart is a physical runner with good speed , shifty moves and great balance - the only question about him is his tendancy to not keep contact with the ball on three points ..... I think he may turn out to be a very good pro if he can solve that issue. I dont think he will have a long career because of the physicality of his running but I do think with the right coaching he will be a very good back. I'd take him in the thrid round without question - pending that two of the three of the following were addressed in the forst two rounds - DL , OL and secondary.
Really? Gerhart is nothing more than a FB with good speed? Watch some games. Watch when he gets the ball with space, hell, he is more agile than Dwyer laterally.
The OLine is a bit of a concern, but look when they played superior opponents, he still averages 5+ yards per carry. If anything, Dwyer's system is better for RB's. There are 3 legitimate threats on the field. The D has account for all of them. The QB (Nesbitt) chooses the best looking option, which is normally the one with the least defenders in the area. Look what happened when GT faced a good D. Against Iowa he averaged a staggering 3.5 yards per carry.
There isn't much difference between Gerhart and Dwyer running the ball or catching the ball. Gerhart is better at pass protection. Both are what the Texans need as a RB in terms of style.
The reason I've got Dwyer rated above Gerhart is Gerharts past knee injury history and his fumbling issues.
Without the past knee injuries Gerhart is a 2nd rd pick. I dropped him to the 3rd because of this.
Do you really want to draft a RB with an injury history to be the Texans feature RB? Ahman Green
Or a RB that has fumbling issues? Slaton
I like Gerhart but am wary of making him the Texans no.1 RB. Sign a FA RB and draft Gerhart in the 3rd rd. I've got no problems with this strategy
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Gerhart will be a better NFL all around back because of his balance, his center of gravity is lower. Dwyer is a big, tall back & a much less elusive target to mark. Gerhart is short & stocky, very durable his entire Senior year & reliable hands.
Gerhart in the 3rd would be the better value then it seems.
BL Do you have any concerns about Gerhart?
How would Gerhart compare to Hillis?
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Dwyer looks to have great balance to me. I think he is quicker than Gerhart and gets more force behind his runs. I think he is more explosive. You can see that in the stats a little bit when you talk about long runs and catches. We'll see what happens when teams can get these guys out of their element during the combine. Gerhart and Dwyer can show teams what they can do in the pass catching/blocking game.
The question for me is, do you wait until the 3rd round to get Gerhart or do you make a move on a Jonathan Dwyer or Ryan Matthews earlier. Both have similiar, maybe better power than Gerhart and have better than 4.6 speed. One of them might be available in the 2nd round by our pick but it's doubtful. We'd have to trade down in the 1st round, or trade up in the 2nd round.
I'd take Gerhart in the 3rd round for sure, probably not in the 2nd round though. I expect him to run a 4.6 and that is pretty representative of his speed. He won't be a home-run hitter but may be able to wear others teams down with his physical style. Let's just hope he learns to protect the ball when he runs.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Toby seems pretty serious about Football, that is my only concern. don't give as much value to his forty as someone else like Spiller or McCluster who need that kind of speed to be elusive. His footwork in tight space is ten times that of Dwyer but in open space there is a similarity to Chuck Muncie (takes some time to reach top speed) that some team will covet.
Hillis was an underutilized FB @ Arkansas. I think he would fit perfectly in ZBS because he is a downhill runner like Gerhart with better than expected cut-back ability & you know he can block. I would have no problem trading a 5th rd. pick on him, his downside- injurys. Toby is clearly a much more productive & viable option worth a 2nd/3rd rd. grade
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Well, they are two totally different offenses. Stanford was a power running theam, they ran alot of conventional running plays out of I formation and 1 back sets. The Stanford O line was really good this year. Watch some Gerhart highlights and see the offensive line dominating people. Gerhart did a good job and showed some real power. I'd be surprised if he was available by our 3rd round pick.
I was telling people during the season that it is hard to compare Dwyer with other backs because of the system. In that scheme the FB gets hit every play because every defense has to make the dive play their #1 priority. If they don't they will have the ball ran right up the middle on them, see the Florida State game in 2008 and 2009. So the FB, Dwyer, gets hit no matter if he gets the ball or not. A guy has to be tough to endure that kind of punishment on a weakly basis. Most of the runs Dwyer had the past two years were right up the middle in really tight spaces, and he showed a knack for breaking tackles and taking it all the way.
If a team has a good defense and is able to stop the dive play than the GT offense was not very good. They weren't able to throw the ball with any consistency at all, and without the dive play to hold linebackers in the middle of the field, the pitch game wasn't effective.
Toby seems pretty serious about Football, that is my only concern. don't give as much value to his forty as someone else like Spiller or McCluster who need that kind of speed to be elusive. His footwork in tight space is ten times that of Dwyer but in open space there is a similarity to Chuck Muncie (takes some time to reach top speed) that some team will covet.
Hillis was an underutilized FB @ Arkansas. I think he would fit perfectly in ZBS because he is a downhill runner like Gerhart with better than expected cut-back ability & you know he can block. I would have no problem trading a 5th rd. pick on him, his downside- injurys. Toby is clearly a much more productive & viable option worth a 2nd/3rd rd. grade
Thanks for the info.
Gerhart is my pick if he's there in the 3rd.
He may be comparable to Shonn Greene.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Gerhart's attempts were not lessened by any knee injury nor were his almost 2,000 yards. I see little to worry about especially if he comes to Texans with a Slaton and maybe a Chris Henry (OK) to pair with.
Blake
MMQB
Updated today: If this happened today, I would litteraly crap my pants.
Houston Texans: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.
Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.
Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.
Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.
Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.
Houston Texans: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.
Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.
Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.
Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.
Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.
Updated today: If this happened today, I would litteraly crap my pants.
Houston Texans: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.
Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.
Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.
Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.
Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.
That's....a decent draft...Holy cow dat would be nice. So, would Patrick Robinson wear 23? Then I could get extra milage out of my Dunta jersey.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Updated today: If this happened today, I would litteraly crap my pants.
Houston Texans: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Houston's primary goal is to beat the Colts. They came close twice this year, but ultimately failed because of missed field goals and sloppy turnovers. However, their inability to stop Peyton Manning didn't help matters. In those two contests, Manning was a combined 61-of-85, 562 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.
Eugene Wilson was placed on injured reserve in the middle of the season. Wilson has now missed 29 games in the last four years. The Texans can no longer count on him.
Houston Texans: Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone - from the owner down to the head coach - has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.
Houston Texans: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Dunta Robinson is officially an ex-Texan. Houston will need to find a cornerback relatively early in the 2010 NFL Draft.
Houston Texans: Mike Neal, DT, Purdue
The Texans are really hurting in the interior of their defensive line.
Nice, I'd be pretty happy with this too.
Dancing in the streets if the Texans can draft those 4 guys.
Then Re-sign Pitts and add Weigmann and Hamilton from Denver in FA.
That's a team that can make the playoffs.
Then Re-sign Pitts and add Weigmann and Hamilton from Denver in FA.
That's a team that can make the playoffs.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Blake
MMQB
I feel we are good at the tackle position with our 2 studs and a valuable swing tackle. But you might make the case that a Zane Beadles who could play guard or tackle in the 4th. I am thinking that Eric Olsen would be a good later round pick to eventually take over at center.
Marshall Newhouse out of TCU is an interesting player who was brought to my attention, taken later in the draft. Mike Johnson of Alabama will probably go in the top 3 rounds.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm going to be a little pissed if the Texans take Dwyer. Don't think he fits what we do at all and from what I have seen of him I'll be surprised if he becomes a starting RB anywhere that doesn't have a fantastic power blocking OL. What other RBs did you have on your board at that point?
I think he had both Gerhart and Tate in the 4th. I do not think Dwyer is a fit here either.
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Blake
MMQB
Only RB's OFF the board at this point were Best, Spiller, and Matthews.
Dixon is available to us in the 3rd. But Our 3rd round pick is Patrick Robinson. So you would have to take one of those guys in the 2nd. Or rather trade back into the 3rd and take:
1 Earl Thomas
2 Vlad Ducasse or Daryl Washington
3 Patrick Robinson
3 Anthony Dixon
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm by no means kicking your effort here, I just wouldn't even have Dwyer on my board. I'd find something else of value in the 2nd, maybe a CB (I didn't see where you posted your entire board), and then take Tate or Dixon in the 3rd.
trading a 2011 2nd to get a 2010 3rd would be the way to go. Because this draft is so deep. A 3rd this year is = to a low 1st in 2011. IMHO
I-Cak Dwyer isn't as bad as you make him out to be. But drafting Hardesty,Tate or Gerhart in the 3rd would be the way to go. IMHO One of those guys should fall to the Texans pick in the 3rd rd.
I know this wasn't diected at me but late rd OL I like are
1. Shawm Lauvao G ARZ St.
2. JaMarcus Webb Tx A&M Kingsville
3. Tony Washington Abeline Christian
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well first off I am not inclined to big backs to begin with. I am particularly not inclined to tub of goo, slow footed very long striding, not very strong big backs. Add in not having played in a pro-style offense plus coming to our one cut system and I don't particularly like him for any team that high and certainly not us.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Marion Barber IV
Definitely not as good a fit as Hardesty,Tate or Mathews.