infantrycak said:
Yeah, I guess it is boring for someone like you to read posts from a Vince Young fan like Texans Chick who would really love to have him here but can't buy into every slam Carr, slam RB argument you and others can come up with in your deluded quest that if somehow you create enough arguments real or more often purely made up, that VY will come here.
By the way, made up arguments aren't corn and this isn't the VY field of dreams.
Which slams have I bought into??
that he sacks himself?? I think Kubiak has said the same..
that a 4 year player should know not to run out of bounds with the ball behind the L.O.S.?? have you ever seen another starter do that after four years??
the fetal position thing?? You haven't seen it??
that Carr doesn't throw well on the move?? I'd like to see the numbers, but I truly believe he's better off tucking and running.
that he leaves the pocket early....... often?? tell you what, if he weren't running into the sacker, I'd overlook this one. but being as leaving the pocket early is a fault many see in Vince, I think it's a wash..... well, till you look at David's sack numbers.......
I'm sorry I can't conform to the "norm" and pat your back, and rub your belly with the "consensus" norm", when what I see tells me that Vince is that special kind of QB, & I'd like for this team to be the one that will ride his coat tails, as he turns this league inside out.
Reggie..... If he's everything ya'll think he'll be, I'd still want the QB that in my eyes will be just as spectacular.... In my book, amazing QB trumps amazing Running Back all day long.
Is Vince a sure thing?? no. are their questions about his game?? sure.
1) can he run a pro style offense??
there isn't a QB whose entered/will enter the draft, that you can't/shouln't ask that question about....... Matt Lienart may seem to be a no brainer, but they thought the same about Charlie Batch, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, etc.. etc.. etc.....
2) he's got that funny side arm thing......
So does our 4 year QB..... but Vince has a little height advantage to help him out.
3) How will his game translate??
His passing stats are on par with Lienart, with Carr...... completion percentage, YPA, passing effieciency.... his arm is stronger than Lienarts, he's demonstrated, IMHO, that the college game is too slow for him.
his rushing stats, are on par with Randal Cunningham's, Michael Vick, Donavan McNabb, Dante Cullpepper....
I think he'll be able to play, and make whatever team he plays for competetive(sp).
4) He should sit out his first year..........
Looking back, I wish Carr had.
I don't think I've made any insane arguments in favor for Vince Young. I don't believe I've made any insane arguments against Reggie.....
I agree, and have agreed for some time now, it doesn't look like they are going to draft Vince Young........ but..........
is it insane to think a new coach would like to pick the guy who will be his field general?? An extension of himself??
is it insane to think extending Carr's contract 3 years, roughly $5 mil/year was the best option considering the FAs who were out there at the time?? If I could've got Drew Bledsoe for $2mil/year, I woud. but he wasn't on the block this go 'round. Kitna?? $2mil?? you're just wasting your time...... he's a back up only.... Jeff Garcia?? I'm surprised that he's got a gig. If
You weren't happy with Carr, who would you have picked up to lead your team??
No one is going to drop Carr (who we don't know about yet..........(4 years, and you don't know??)) and look to draft a QB in the draft that you(he.....Kubiak) hadn't even talked to... remember he was still in the hunt for the SuperBowl two weeks(??) before Carr's extension came due.
We've got soooooo much talent on the offensive side of the Ball right now, I don't think Reggie is going to add too much anyway..... You've got Moulds, Jeb, AJ, Armstrong, Walther, and Mathis........ three of those six guys will be on the field on every play.... what does Reggie add?? The ability to score from the 80?? nope, all ready got it....... the ability to break an 80 yard run for a TD?? I can live without it...... get DD to our 45, with GK's run blocking, and he poses the same threat.
2006 will tell us what we need to know about David Carr...... needing to go into a season thinking that you have to evaluate your 5 year starter should tell you something.
When Denver looked at Jake, do you think there was any question as to what his abilities were?? Time and Time again, he played well, on a bad, bad team. I'm not talking about INTs, and sacks. The only reason anyone watched an Arizona game was to watch the opposing team dominate, or to watch Jake the Snake play.
Sanity would be realizing your QB isn't perfect.
Sanity would be realizing there is a potentially great QB in the Draft.
The only teams who shouldn't be interested, is Indy, Philly, Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Cincinatti, Seattle, & Arizona. I may have left someone out accidentally...... but the Texans, IMHO don't belong on the list.
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DRAMA said:
You're saying that we should take the QB, who's a leader, who has the charisma, teammates love, wins the big games, makes the big plays, and has won at the ultimate level in college? We should draft that guy? The problem is that I don't think we need Leinart. You HAD to be talking about Matt right? I mean, he is THE consensus #1 QB in this draft... There's no way you're advocating taking Vince because he's from here, are you?
Whew, because if we were all to be so 'small minded' as to simply draft a guy because he's from here, well, maybe we could take Reggie McNeal and call it even?
Small minded, because this is what you see...... you just happen to believe the Garbage that Matt's Pro day says isn't, and never was there. Yet you still don't want to believe it.......... not until all the papers tell you so I guess.
If you're looking at drafting a QB, you've got to hope he is better than the one you've got now......... I've seen nothing in Matt, to make me think he is any better than Carr. If they were both in the draft right now, I'd rank Carr over Matt...
The only positive you see in Vince, is that he is from Houston.......... small minded.
I actually like Vince alot (Even though that does wane somewhat after being called small-minded...) but I just feel that Bush is our homerun threat and I want our homerun threat now..and I promise, my mind is HUGE!!
agian, small minded....... AJ, Moulds, Mathis all homerund threats, from anywhere on the field. More so, than Reggie Bush....... DD..... get him inside the 50, he's a homerun threat.
Texans_Chick said:
This is not completely fair.
Last season, USC was #1 in both turnover margin and turnovers gained. Seeing that the other team has over 20 interceptions is not exactly a heartwarming stat to see if you are an opposing QB.
Just saying.
I remember them saying USC had the best Secondary Vince had seen...
tulexan said:
Turnover margin is a very misleading stat. I suspect it was high because they were consistently blowing out teams and forcing them to throw the ball which is riskier because there is a better chance for a turnover. Look at the Bengals this year. They had one of the highest turnover margins in the league but once they played against a good team like the Colts, they couldn't stop them. This is also similar to the Chiefs a few years ago when they lost to the Colts in the playoffs.
Wasn't UT down by two scores in the last 6 minutes of the game?? Didn't Vince have to make some pretty good throws to move the ball??
vtech9 said:
that's a good argument...since a running backs carreer usually averages about 4 years, Reggie Bush could be done by the time that Vince Young is coming into his prime.
So, that would be 3 years with David Carr and Reggie Bush. Since I have my doubts that Carr can turn his carreer around enough to be anything more than average, I can't see the Texans going very far. In saying that, I can see Bush getting more touches, and in turn, getting hit more, which could shorten his carreer.
& don't forget, no one believes Carr will turn it around in one year. Minimm two years...... Reggie will have 2 years left(if you believe the 4 year thing)
They're not named Carr either which is more likely the real distinction.