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VY Status?

Vinny said:
blame him all you want...I didn't say Collins lost the game...he sure didn't win it with a key play in a critical situation....not saying that he is a Vince Young or anything like that.
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He couldn't be a Vince Young because he didn't turn the ball over.
 
Texans_Chick said:
What VY is able to do on 3rd downs, or as far as keeping teams honest and taking them out of what they like to do on defense is not something that easily shows up in stat lines. He can do some stunning things "off schedule" as Kubiak refers to it.

The flip side of this is that his talent is so specific and different that it is hard to install a plug and play sort of offense for his team. If he gets hurt, the QB behind him has a hard time running the offense. I do not think that VY = Vick by any means, but if he gets any injuries that keep him out for periods of time, it can screw a team's year like the year where Reeves got canned. Worse problems to have, but is what happens when you change an offensive scheme to highlight special talents of a player. The Titans defense, has played very well, but will be tested if VY has to miss significant time. (I like the way that their defense is coached).

The game will set up well for the Titans.

They win without VY, it shows they are good team.
They win with VY, it shows he is a gamer.
They lose without VY, well the loss has an asterisk.
They lose with VY, well, he was injured so it doesn't really count.

Bleh.
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Let's just hope VY plays and we win - then all will be right in the world. I don't think any of us can imagine how demoralizing a VY-led Titans victory could be for this franchise. Well, maybe we can...
 
I hope VY gets the start. Let him play. We need to show the tacs that this is our house and they will not come in here and dominate. Send them back to Nashville with battle red scars.
 
If an injured VY is still better than Kerry Collins I would rather VY be out. We need a win in a bad way this week and with our gamebreaker still possibly out i'll take any advantage we can get.
 
If only Vince could have been on the field defensively to single-handedly stop that 55 yard drive for Tampa's game winning field goal, in under a minute -07 :rolleyes:
 
Can anyone Say Madden Curse. Ha finally got him! When he was told by a reporter about the madden curse he said "I am not scared. Bring it on". Here you go vince!
 
I hope Vince plays because I go to the games to see the best play the best. I wish we would have the Patriots, Colts twice, and all of the toughest teams in the NFL I wish the NFL would load us up with killer teams every year.
 
ubecool454 said:
I hope Vince plays because I go to the games to see the best play the best. I wish we would have the Patriots, Colts twice, and all of the toughest teams in the NFL I wish the NFL would load us up with killer teams every year.
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so you can make more money off the team ??
 
Andrew6 said:
so you can make more money off the team ??
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If I had to scalp Texans tickets for a living I would be broke. I don't know why its so hard for u to understand that when people do that, its none of your business. I just like good compitition so yes I want the tough teams coming to town. Thats how you become the best...by beating the best.
 
ubecool454 said:
If I had to scalp Texans tickets for a living I would be broke. I don't know why its so hard for u to understand that when people do that, its none of your business. I just like good compitition so yes I want the tough teams coming to town. Thats how you become the best...by beating the best.
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or the fact that most folks are going to pay more to see the best play anyone?
 
Andrew6 said:
or the fact that most folks are going to pay more to see the best play anyone?
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Andrew don't you have seasons tickets? I think you do so, just don't worry about what others are doing with their tickets. I am a football fan first and would rather see Tom Brady, Manning, VY, rather than Boller, Griese and the lower rung. When you see Ubeool on Ebay scalping tickets..get back with me.
 
Vinny said:
blame him all you want...I didn't say Collins lost the game...he sure didn't win it with a key play in a critical situation....not saying that he is a Vince Young or anything like that.
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The titans scored the tying TD when Collins was in. What more could he have done? He had all of 5 seconds left after the Bucs got the go-ahead FG.

I was so sure VY was going to will his team to victory from the sidelines.
 
ubecool454 said:
Didn't I tell U and Texans chick to mind your own business once already concerning other peoples tickets?:pirate:
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Sorry pal but you can't tell me to do jack sh*t. I will do and say what ever I want and yes I do not want VY playing in this game just for that reason and that reason alone. I think it would be the funniest thing in the freakin world.
 
The titans scored the tying TD when Collins was in. What more could he have done? He had all of 5 seconds left after the Bucs got the go-ahead FG.

I was so sure VY was going to will his team to victory from the sidelines
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If Collins was better for the Titans than Vince then you wouldn't have posters around here hoping that Collins plays.....you people just to give the guy his props and it makes you seem like the biggest cry babies who don't know the "basics" of football...................the Titans were HORRIBLE last year when Collins started, but when VY came in it turned their entire season around and they almost made the playoffs.....it's as simple as that....if you can't respect that then your whole perspective is wack.
 
What if he doesn't play and they win anyways ?

That wouldn't be too funny...
 
VY update story that confirms the medical stuff I linked to earlier:

Dr. Mike Pagnini, orthopedic consultant to the Miami Dolphins and formerly head physician for the Nashville Predators, is not familiar with the specifics of Young's injury but saw the play on which he was hurt.

His advice to Young and the Titans: Be careful.

"Any time you have a muscle strain anywhere in the body, the sooner you rush back the greater the risk you could re-injure it or pull it worse, just like with a hamstring,'' said Pagnini, who also has served as team physician for the Pittsburgh Pirates and Chicago White Sox. "The longer you wait, the greater the likelihood that you won't re-injure it or pull it again.''

Pagnini said that as long as Young's injury doesn't involve the tendon — Fisher said it doesn't — it's not inconceivable that Young could come back as soon as Sunday.

"It can nag you. It can get better and then you pull it again and it can slow you down,'' Pagnini said. "It can be a cycle where you start to get better and you irritate it, and an injury like that can nag you for several weeks or the season.''
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Doesn't sound too good for Vince, and a concern I had pre-draft with a player who makes plays on his feet.
 
TheBigpaki said:
Can anyone Say Madden Curse. Ha finally got him! When he was told by a reporter about the madden curse he said "I am not scared. Bring it on". Here you go vince!
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Its only going to get worse I tells ya.

They are going to rush him back, then he's going to tear it and be out of for the season.

We have to make sure our guys stay off the cover of that game if we start winning.
 
More medical info from a sports injury perspective:

Injury mechanisms
The rectus femoris is mostly commonly injured in the acceleration phase of sprinting, explosive jumping (eg, long jump), kicking (especially long kicking), or when contracting and meeting a resistance (such as two players kicking a ball at the same time). Unlike other muscle pathologies such as the hamstrings, it is possible for an athlete to 'mask' a rectus femoris injury. Minor grade tears/strains tend only to become functionally limiting when at close to top-end speed sprinting (implications of this will be highlighted in rehabilitation) and when attempting to kick on the run or to kick for distance. Any activity below this, and athletes may be able to continue to compete.

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Rehabilitation running
In previous articles in this series, I highlighted the aggressive accelerated rehabilitation of hamstring injuries through use of 'rehab running'. Rehab running for rectus injuries differs from hamstrings in a number of key areas. These are outlined as follows:

1.Don't start too soon. Rectus [femoris] injuries tend to do poorly if running is started too early. Delay running until quads stretch and contraction (both knee extension and hip flexion) is normal. This differs from hamstrings, whereby running is encouraged early in the rehabilitation process to accelerate the recovery process.

The most important element of this running is to educate the athlete to run BELOW the point of pain and/or restriction. As long as the quadriceps feel good, the speed can be increased. The key difference with rehab running the quads as opposed to the hamstrings is the danger of re-injury at close to top-end speed. Athletes generally have a better appreciation of small percentage increases in speed with hamstrings. This awareness is not so acute with quads. That is, the athlete's perception of the difference between 90% speed versus 95% may be way off. This has important clinical implications when the athlete tells you he/she can run 100% speed pain-free.
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TC that injury doesn't sound too good for VY playing this week.

Sounds like if they try to rush him back they risk re-injury, and if he does play he won't run much and we know he is very limited if he is forced to pass. Sounds like he will either be forced to pass more than they/he would like to, or that he won't be able to play.

I want him to play though, he has a beating due :bat:
 
Leahmic223 said:
TC that injury doesn't sound too good for VY playing this week.

Sounds like if they try to rush him back they risk re-injury, and if he does play he won't run much and we know he is very limited if he is forced to pass. Sounds like he will either be forced to pass more than they/he would like to, or that he won't be able to play.

I want him to play though, he has a beating due :bat:
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Steve McNair playing for Fischer played through a lot of things he probably shouldn't have.

I think it will be interesting if he practices much this week.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Anyone think they'll announce his status in the days before the game? I think its a gametime decision myself.
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If you follow Fisher's history with McNair....no way he discloses it since he will want the Texans to have to practice defending two styles of QB....effectively cutting down the reps to in practice for either QB.
 
Vinny said:
If you follow Fisher's history with McNair....no way he discloses it since he will want the Texans to have to practice defending two styles of QB....effectively cutting down the reps to in practice for either QB.
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Never understood the injury report to be honest? why it only helps the opposition. Too many people complain about the Texans injury report, but why help the other side?
 
Leahmic223 said:
Its only going to get worse I tells ya.

They are going to rush him back, then he's going to tear it and be out of for the season.

We have to make sure our guys stay off the cover of that game if we start winning.
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The wheels of the Madden Curse are starting to turn.....
 
Specnatz said:
Never understood the injury report to be honest? why it only helps the opposition. Too many people complain about the Texans injury report, but why help the other side?
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The NFL mandates that you disclose injuries...part of the reason is so the gambling people don't get deep inside scoops and further infest the sport. Fisher has always walked the line of credibility with his QB injury reports historically.

"The principal purpose of the injury report is to ensure there are no hidden injuries, or clubs hiding that players might not be available, and then that player ends up not being able to play and nobody knew about it," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's vice president of public relations.

Injury reports date from the 1940s, when the NFL commissioner, Bert Bell, was dealing with the aftermath of the 1946 championship game between the New York Giants and Chicago Bears. As chronicled in Michael MacCambridge's book "America's Game," there were concerns at the time that two New York players, Merle Hapes and Frank Filchock, had been approached by gamblers and that the game could be part of a fix. Bell ended up suspending both players and reached the conclusion that professional football could not survive unless it was base on absolute honesty. Starting in the 1947 season, Bell required all teams to publish a list of all injured players.
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Vinny said:
If you follow Fisher's history with McNair....no way he discloses it since he will want the Texans to have to practice defending two styles of QB....effectively cutting down the reps to in practice for either QB.
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Agreed.

Even if he practices some this week, he may not play. If you don't use full effort with sprinting, a sprained quad may not give you issues.
 
NFL Network reports that VY won't practice this week but it doesn't mean that he isn't going to play. That he is going to get treatment twice a day all week.
 
I recall in the movie "North Dallas Forty", the RB chose to take a needle to his hammy in order to play. Hammy stiffened up during a screen to the left side and a defensive player leveled him.

Not that I would root for an injury to Uncle Rico, I'm just saying it's a big risk if he's still gimpy on Sunday.
 
Vinny said:
Fisher has always walked the line of credibility with his QB injury reports historically.
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How much of that do you think were really injuries v. Fisher accommodating McNair not wanting to practice? Seemed like McNair always had niggling injuries like sore ribs, etc.

I just saw the VY injury play yesterday--that looked like pulling something fairly significantly. I suspect he'll play, but like TC's post said, it may not be the best idea long term for the Titans this season. That looked like an injury which could be made worse.
 
I think it's risking a lot to play VY this week. Of all games to ask him to not give it his all, I'd think this is the one that he tries to go above and beyond for his hometown crowd and to continue his grudge against the Texans for not picking him.

With what TC is reporting, I don't see him stopping himself from doing what he does, and that could lead to longer term repercussions.
 
Oh no! Ingle Martin!

"The Titans on Tuesday released punter Josh Miller, a move that gives the team roster flexibility as it waits to see how quarterback Vince Young recovers from his injury. The Titans now have an open spot on their 53-man roster and could fill it later in the week by elevating from the practice squad quarterback Ingle Martin, who played at Montgomery Bell Academy. It all depends on how Young's condition is in the coming days. Titans Coach Jeff Fisher said on his weekly radio show Tuesday night Young is improving, though he is not expected to practice today as the team begins preparation for Sunday's game at Houston. Because there is potential future risk involved with what Fisher called a "significant strain," the Titans will be careful with the injury."

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/SPORTS01/710170426/1328/SPORTS
 
I like Ingle Martin quite a bit...he is a heck of a young prospect. I know that RP over at HPF was drooling over him as a sleeper when he was coming out.
 
Vinny said:
I like Ingle Martin quite a bit...he is a heck of a young prospect. I know that RP over at HPF was drooling over him as a sleeper when he was coming out.
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Hey, it was all I could come up with to lead that link off with!

You probably won't find that name, though, in the 10 manliest names thread on this board.

Think you can read anything into that move (if it happens) with regards to VY and that strain?
 
Vinny said:
The NFL mandates that you disclose injuries...part of the reason is so the gambling people don't get deep inside scoops and further infest the sport. Fisher has always walked the line of credibility with his QB injury reports historically.
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OK that I understand but question if it is to prevent the gamblers or help. If they dont know then they screw up on a line it could cost them huge dollars. There has been a long history of teams fudging the report. For examle a guy cut his toenail to close and all of a sudden it list him as having a sore foot and probable or questionable on the injury report.
 
drewmar74 said:
Hey, it was all I could come up with to lead that link off with!

You probably won't find that name, though, in the 10 manliest names thread on this board.

Think you can read anything into that move (if it happens) with regards to VY and that strain?
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If VY doesn't play then Collins will need a back up if he gets hurt...that's about all I can see. Both Collins and VY are 55% passers lifetime so their passing game will be about the same with either QB. VY improves their running game if he is healthy unlike Collins would however. When Young is in the game the RB has one less defender keying on him since Young does a lot of option reads where he reads the end and takes off with the ball depending on if the end is crashing or taking a wide angle. It's very veer-like, but teams have to spy Young...that gives their running backs a bit of an edge. It's no coincidence that the team started running the ball better when Young started playing last year. He just changes how you scheme your defense.
 
Vinny said:
I like Ingle Martin quite a bit...he is a heck of a young prospect. I know that RP over at HPF was drooling over him as a sleeper when he was coming out.
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A play:

Texan fan: The (other team's) quarterback _________ is (old)(inexperienced)(coming off a terrible performance) and/or (just awful). Everyone rejoice!

Game recap: And the (other team's) quarterback just got a career high (amazingly high) completion percentage, (astounding) QB rating, and (big number) TDs. They were able to convert (stomach turning)% of third downs. The Texans were unable to put consistent pressure on the quarterback with their vanilla schemes, __________ got comfortable in the pocket and dinked and dunked on the Texans secondary all day.

Texan fan: I thought Groundhog's Day was in February? When will I ever learn that there is no quarterback too awful to move the ball against the Texans defense? I will blame it all on Mario because that is what John McClain does.

The End.

Fade to black.


FWIW, VY did not practice today.

The biggest help to this young Texans defense is not what quarterback is playing, but winning the field position battle and having the offense keep them off the field by playing well and not turning the ball over. As they are currently configured and coached, they are not a dominant defense.
 
Texans_Chick said:
A play:

Texan fan: The (other team's) quarterback _________ is (old)(inexperienced)(coming off a terrible performance) and/or (just awful). Everyone rejoice!

Game recap: And the (other team's) quarterback just got a career high (amazingly high) completion percentage, (astounding) QB rating, and (big number) TDs. They were able to convert (stomach turning)% of third downs. The Texans were unable to put consistent pressure on the quarterback with their vanilla schemes, __________ got comfortable in the pocket and dinked and dunked on the Texans secondary all day.
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You're not saying we've been down this road before, are you?
 
From profootballtalk.com

"That's enough about the injury, please, I'm begging you,'' Young said. "It's enough. I can't do nothing about it. What do you want me to say? I am saying the same thing over and over, the same question. Y'all are just re-wording it.

"I can't just tell you I'm playing and then don't play,'' Young added. "That is like me lying not only to my teammates, but to the rest of the people in the world that want to see me play.'
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That doesn't sound like a guy who thinks he is going to play.
 
I have seen and heard several interviews with VY in the last day or so and he does not seem like the same guy. He made a point fo stressing how this is just one game on the schedule and is no more important than any other game. He even came right out and said he was annoyed at having to answer the question about it being Houston and his home town. That does not sound like the same guys who stays laid back about everything, even stating last year how special it is to play at home if front of family and friends. I am not shrink but I did stay at a holiday in express last night so here goes, my guess is either he does not feel he is going to play and is down playing the importance of this game, or being 2-0 against us last year he wants to down play his game in case they lose.
 
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