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VY on the doted line !

BroussardSaint said:
Kinda bad when you hope a hometown player and someone that help bring the College Championship to you're home state is a bust. What has he done for you to wish ill will against him??
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I can't speak for mexican_texan but as for me .....


I fall into a group of people that were happy UT won the Championship and were happy that the effort was led by a Houstonian ....

However, shortly after the gun sounded on the Rose Bowl there began a Vince Young saturation that became at times comical and at other times almost unbearable ... it reminded me of eating my Grandmother's peanut butter fudge at Christmas time .... the first couple of pieces were awesome but after that I didn't want to see any fudge for months ....
 
I am looking forward to Dec. 10, 2006
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So is Vince, but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Vince is the starter by the time the reg. season roles around.....but congrats on the big contract.....something tells me Bush won't be signing with N.O.
 
BroussardSaint said:
I see exactly what you're saying but do you hope that VY is a bust??
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The Texans are in the AFC South
The Titans are in the AFC South
Vince Young is a Titan
I'm a Texan fan

therefore ............


Yes I hope he's a bust .....


and I hope Joseph Addai is a bust, and I hope Matt Jones is a bust, Lendale White, ..... you see where I'm heading with this?
 
BroussardSaint said:
Kinda bad when you hope a hometown player and someone that help bring the College Championship to you're home state is a bust. What has he done for you to wish ill will against him??
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Some people in the State of Texas despise the University of Texas.
 
chuckm said:
The Texans are in the AFC South
The Titans are in the AFC South
Vince Young is a Titan
I'm a Texan fan

therefore ............


Yes I hope he's a bust .....


and I hope Joseph Addai is a bust, and I hope Matt Jones is a bust, Lendale White, ..... you see where I'm heading with this?
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'sactly. He played for my team in college, but he's an enemy now.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Really? why?? (no sarcasim here) just didn't know that. Is it a U.T/Aggie thing??
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TU has a long history of 'using' their student athletes.
True fans of College Football detest this abysmal practice.

Poor graduation rates, ill prepared for life after football.

From PFW
" Why this is important: After all, these are supposed to be student-athletes out there playing. This is a good indicator for how much emphasis a program places on academics rather than simply using the football players for their on-the-field talents."

According to CollegeFootballNews...... TU is ranked below the following Texas schools in graduating their athletes.

N Texas
UTEP
U of H
T A M
Baylor
Rice

PS..LSU also trails the above schools, only slightly ahead of TU's graduation rates

College Football News

TU fans will tell you that this practice is changing under Brown.

We'll see.

:coffee:
 
BroussardSaint said:
I really don't think that's why true football fans hate UT maybe you but not most.
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Do you have an opinion on why?

Is it all just about wins and losses?

If people do not care about the athletes, then things will never change.

I have a dislike for any school that abuses its athletes, TU is just one of them.


:coffee:
 
BroussardSaint said:
Who is you're preferred school?
I'm not trying to start an argument but just wondering.
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We're cool..:cool:

Never though we were arguing. I just present what facts I can find and let them speak for themselves.

Check my avatar and you will see that I am a fan of the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame.

College football fans either love or hate the Irish, no in-between.

The hate usually comes about because of inter-action between fans.
All teams have their share of arrogant fans, when they meet they tend to not like each other...:slap:

No one can argue that our players are not student athletes first, if they do they are just deluding themselves.:hides:

Unless they are playing my Irish I will also pull for Penn State.

Don't misunderstand.

I can enjoy a game between power house teams, but they are what they are.

Football factories that use up their players with no regard for their life after football. Thats just wrong.


:coffee:
 
Schools who are legally allowed to cheat such as Notre Dame, with a television contract, and illegally cheat like ND during Holtz's tenure like to point at graduation rates.

Whether you "cheat" by gaining an advantage through exposure, kickbacks or accepting questionable students it is all done to cut corners to get players. Some do it with professionalsim and some do it via their own standards. Just pick the poison and enjoy the game.
 
Vinny said:
I'm a "true" football fan and don't 'hate' UT. Also, I have zero ties with the school fwiw. I don't get the hate thing some of you guys carry...but that's just me.
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Vinnie

Are you quoting my post?

"TU has a long history of 'using' their student athletes.
True fans of College Football detest this abysmal practice."

Quite a leap from detesting an abysmal practice to hating TU.

I did express a dislike for TU in a later post. Just wanted to clarify, never expressed a hate for anyone.



:coffee:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Schools who are legally allowed to cheat such as Notre Dame, with a television contract, and illegally cheat like ND during Holtz's tenure like to point at graduation rates.

Whether you "cheat" by gaining an advantage through exposure, kickbacks or accepting questionable students it is all done to cut corners to get players. Some do it with professionalsim and some do it via their own standards. Just pick the poison and enjoy the game.
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Must not be an Irish fan?.:cool:

Legally allowed to cheat with a television contract? :rofl:

That sounds like a jeopardy question.."Whats an oxymoron"?

Cheating during Holtz's tenure? Got links to explain this?

Who's getting kickbacks?

Who's accepting questionable students?

Some do it with professionalism? You got some "splainin' to do.



:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
Must not be an Irish fan?.:cool:

Legally allowed to cheat with a television contract? :rofl:

That sounds like a jeopardy question.."Whats an oxymoron"?

Cheating during Holtz's tenure? Got links to explain this?

Who's getting kickbacks?

Who's accepting questionable students?

Some do it with professionalism? You got some "splainin' to do.



:coffee:
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Do I need links or will the stench Holtz left behind at Minnesota, Arkansas, Notre Dame and South Carolia suffice? Probably not so go ahead and look up ND embezzler Kim Dunbar and her doings with the football team.

Having a television contract provides a distinct advantage in recruiting. The fcat ND does not win more often since the contract began is laughable due to it's history and exposure. Without it ND would be toast.
 
Young's contract effect on Bush's negotiations swings from one end to the other, depending on one's perspective. One way of looking at things is presented.......some would not agree:


Bush's chances of receiving in excess of $26 million in guaranteed money from the Saints were greatly enhanced by the signing of quarterback Vince Young with Tennessee on Thursday. Young, the No. 3 pick, received a six-year contract which includes $25.74 million in guaranteed money and a maximum value of $58 million.

No. 1 overall choice Mario Williams of Houston received a six-year deal including $26.5 million in guarantees and a maximum value of $62 million.

As for Bush, the Saints have $2.7 million in remaining rookie pool money after signing all their other draft picks, a task the team completed on Thursday. Based on that pool number, a league source said Friday that the maximum amount of guaranteed money Bush can receive in a six-year deal is $26.3 million, just a shade under Williams.

The Saints are essentially locked into guaranteeing more because of the slotting that normally goes with the signing of draft picks from the top down. The team had hoped to pay much less in guaranteed money, but that possibility disappeared with the Young deal.

The Saints had also hoped to get Bush to sign a five-year deal, but that also appears unlikely.

From at least one perspective, the Young deal is staggering. It represents an increase of nearly 30 percent over the $19.8 million guaranteed to wide receiver Braylon Edwards, the No. 3 overall pick by Cleveland a year ago. It's also approximately 25 percent more than what No. 2 overall pick Ronnie Brown got from Miami last year.

The next part of the Bush negotiations will be the remaining incentives and bonuses the Heisman Trophy winner can earn in the deal and how he gets them. For instance, bonuses are often tied to playing time. One source said that the Saints had hoped to tie a higher-than-usual percentage of playing time to the Bush deal and that agent Joel Segal was unwilling to accept that.


link
 
Appreciate the post CnD.

It appears that the lame brain decision to sign on with Major Adams was not that bad of a decision.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Do I need links or will the stench Holtz left behind at Minnesota, Arkansas, Notre Dame and South Carolia suffice? Probably not so go ahead and look up ND embezzler Kim Dunbar and her doings with the football team.

Having a television contract provides a distinct advantage in recruiting. The fcat ND does not win more often since the contract began is laughable due to it's history and exposure. Without it ND would be toast.
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Really?

How is Kim Dunbar a ND embezzler? A little loose with the facts aren't you.

If I embezzled from my employer would that make me a Houston Texan embezzler because I am a fan of the team? Cheeze

She was not employed by ND. She embezzeled from her employer but did in fact buy gifts for ND players.

Dunbars only connection to ND was paying $25 to join the QB club.

"According to the NCAA, Dunbar became a Notre Dame booster on June 22, 1995, when she paid $25 to join the now-disbanded Quarterback Club. Two NCAA groups, however, could not decide whether Dunbar was, in fact, a representative of the University's athletic interests.

It took an overseer's vote in a tiebreaker to determine she was a booster, leaving many to wonder how athletes should have understood Dunbar's representation of Notre Dame and the NCAA."
Kim Dunbar Article

Agree...this is not an excuse for players to accept gifts.

The Irish were placed on probation for two years, losing a scholly each year.

A definite black eye for the Irish program.

The fact the Irish had not been winning lately is another story. Charlie Weis will remedy that problem.

But you know what? We still graduated our athletes.

Many of the teams who belong to conferences resent the independent Irish having their own network contract. No one is forced to join a conference, this is done for financial reasons also. Does the phrase "bowl tie in" ring a bell?

I never claimed that Notre Dame was perfect, only that the Irish actually recognize the 'student' in student athlete.

Your attempt to deflect the issue of this post (graduating your student athletes) is the only thing "laughable" that I see here.

Yes we do point proudly to our graduation rate, all universities should do the same but sadly they cannot.

I take it by your post that this is really irrelevent to you...whatever.

Not real sure how a VY thread morphed into this.:confused:


:coffee:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Because you brought up graduation rates.

I will take Irony for $600 Alex.
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Alex speaking, "KT, the most talked about player on the Texans MB in the last 4 months will suit up for their most bitter rival ... what is his name?"
 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/football/stories/MYSA072606.1C.FBCforward.pass.338f2a2.html

UT is to Texas, as Texas is to football; both define the game. From Winston to Royal to Young is what it's been about.

UT, SMU, TCU, UH, Baylor, Texas Tech, and Rice ( in that order ).

"Wait a minute! What is Baylor doing there?", you may retort.

There had been some turmoil about college football in l906. President Teddy Roosevelt had decided it was a brutal game. There had been many deaths in one year.
___They used an offensive system called the "flying wedge," which basically was just line up and run over people with virtually no equipment. It was an offshoot of rugby and soccer. They were maiming and killing people. Roosevelt called together coaches of the day and said they were to either change it or he would eliminate it. That handful of coaches rewrote the game of football and set it on the road that it eventually took. They instituted the forward pass.
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- Grant Teaff, Baylor

"The founders of that certainly did a great favor for football," he says. "It'd be hard to accomplish much (without passing). Everybody would be in a goal-line defense all the time. You'd see an awful lot of punting."
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- Royal and UT agrees

On Nov. 9, 1906, UT's Winston McMahon threw the state's first recorded TD pass — a 17-yarder to Bowie Duncan — in a 28-0 victory over Haskell. That came 10 days after Arkansas had tried to throw a pass against Texas — only to have a Longhorns player intercept it and return it 100 yards for a game-clinching TD.
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It's the Longhorns that are making it work since 1906. That's almost 100 years ago to date. Certainly a few years ahead of the Saint's Show.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/app...NDSports15/607280458/-1/SPORTS/CAT=NDSports15

Baugh, now 92, was the first in a long line of Texas-bred, Texas-based quarterbacks who helped football get off the ground and into the air, laying the groundwork for the sport's modern era.
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Baugh's Horned Frogs and the SMU ( and later Baugh with the Redskins ) saved football from soccer and rugby. We could all be cheering for large flocks of men dressed in shorts, tied up in one big group hug. Or we could be watching a bunch of European's prance around in an open field, playing footsy with a ball on Sundays. But we don't. Thank you Winston. Thank you Sammy. Thank You Ray Morrison.

Detract you say, "You still have UH and Rice in a list. Obviously you do not know what you are talking about."

Desubfutercate I reply. Rice is home to one Jess Claiborne Neely. While U of H was the stage of Bill Yeomon's Veer Option. ( parts of the run'n'shoot also )

http://www.ricehistoricalsociety.org/cornerstone/issues/JessNeely.pdf

So what do we got here:
UT - passes, runs, options from the Wishbone.
TCU spread and SMU - throwing and using the shotgun from a spread formation a little sooner then Red Hickey and the 49ers.
UH and Rice - the option, and all out passing attacks
Baylor - Grant Teaff and the "Miracle on the Brazos"; where you win when everyone else thinks you are going to lose.


and then Vincent Young.

Vincent Young and 100 years of football in Texas, all packed into 4 evenly divided quarters.

Running, throwing, spread option shotgun, and winning.

( For the 2-points after, both Winston McMahon and Young pitched their TD passes with a sidearm delivery. )

That's the pinnacle of modern conversation about football in Texas. Always starts with UT and ends somewhere with Vince Young. Conversation about football without UT and Vince Young ends with how elongated nappes are fashionable accouterments.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Because you brought up graduation rates.

I will take Irony for $600 Alex.
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Hmmmmm

Irony?

College football and graduation rates? What was I thinking? This is Texas after all.

Q. What is a 6?


Can't justify in my own mind debating further with anyone who apparently doesn't care about the athletes education, only W's and L's.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Hmmmmm

Irony?

College football and graduation rates? What was I thinking? This is Texas after all.

Q. What is a 6?


Can't justify in my own mind debating further with anyone who apparently doesn't care about the athletes education, only W's and L's.
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Let's finish this dance once the college football season begins. ;)

We got Texans TC to talk about and I have some wake boarding and golfing to do this weekend.
 
TwinSisters said:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/football/stories/MYSA072606.1C.FBCforward.pass.338f2a2.html

UT is to Texas, as Texas is to football; both define the game. From Winston to Royal to Young is what it's been about.

UT, SMU, TCU, UH, Baylor, Texas Tech, and Rice ( in that order ).

"Wait a minute! What is Baylor doing there?", you may retort.

- Grant Teaff, Baylor

- Royal and UT agrees



It's the Longhorns that are making it work since 1906. That's almost 100 years ago to date. Certainly a few years ahead of the Saint's Show.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/app...NDSports15/607280458/-1/SPORTS/CAT=NDSports15



Baugh's Horned Frogs and the SMU ( and later Baugh with the Redskins ) saved football from soccer and rugby. We could all be cheering for large flocks of men dressed in shorts, tied up in one big group hug. Or we could be watching a bunch of European's prance around in an open field, playing footsy with a ball on Sundays. But we don't. Thank you Winston. Thank you Sammy. Thank You Ray Morrison.

Detract you say, "You still have UH and Rice in a list. Obviously you do not know what you are talking about."

Desubfutercate I reply. Rice is home to one Jess Claiborne Neely. While U of H was the stage of Bill Yeomon's Veer Option. ( parts of the run'n'shoot also )

http://www.ricehistoricalsociety.org/cornerstone/issues/JessNeely.pdf

So what do we got here:
UT - passes, runs, options from the Wishbone.
TCU spread and SMU - throwing and using the shotgun from a spread formation a little sooner then Red Hickey and the 49ers.
UH and Rice - the option, and all out passing attacks
Baylor - Grant Teaff and the "Miracle on the Brazos"; where you win when everyone else thinks you are going to lose.


and then Vincent Young.

Vincent Young and 100 years of football in Texas, all packed into 4 evenly divided quarters.

Running, throwing, spread option shotgun, and winning.

( For the 2-points after, both Winston McMahon and Young pitched their TD passes with a sidearm delivery. )

That's the pinnacle of modern conversation about football in Texas. Always starts with UT and ends somewhere with Vince Young. Conversation about football without UT and Vince Young ends with how elongated nappes are fashionable accouterments.
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If you want to use big words while posting you really should pay closer attention to the spelling...:D

Webster
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Hold on professor, I am going to need a judge's ruling on the definition of desubfutercate.

Otherwise great post. :)
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Custom wordsmith, even looked up myself before I used it. I invoke Twain law that states mangling is allowed after the rules have been studied.
 
cuppacoffee said:
If you want to use big words while posting you really should pay closer attention to the spelling...:D

Webster
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No Idaho. You should read more about Knute Rockne before you go around talking about what a clean program the Irish run.

Then you need to figure out what a nappe is.

After you figure what two sizes you need... then you can figure what two words match.

EDIT:
not that typos don't accure, becuase they do... but in the stated case, there is not.
 
TwinSisters said:
Custom wordsmith, even looked up myself before I used it. I invoke Twain law that states mangling is allowed after the rules have been studied.
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You're excused. Just do not skip on or splice our Texan linguistic contractions, especially y'all. :)
 
TwinSisters said:
No Idaho. You should read more about Knute Rockne before you go around talking about what a clean program the Irish run.

Then you need to figure out what a nappe is.

After you figure what two sizes you need... then you can figure what two words match.

EDIT:
not that typos don't accure, becuase they do... but in the stated case, there is not.
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ever hear of spell check?

It helps me when I look up the words to see what they mean. :D

accouterments?

Please refer to my previous posts and show me where I ever discussed "clean programs". Thats another topic.

Unless you equate 'clean' to graduating your players?

Clean..to me... means not having Marcus Vick type players on your team.
But thats just my opinion.

And I am certain that Ricky never smoked a joint until after leaving TU.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
ever hear of spell check?

It helps me when I look up the words to see what they mean. :D

accouterments?

Please refer to my previous posts and show me where I ever discussed "clean programs". Thats another topic.

Unless you equate 'clean' to graduating your players?

Clean..to me... means not having Marcus Vick type players on your team.
But thats just my opinion.

And I am certain that Ricky never smoked a joint until after leaving TU.

:coffee:
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Ah how nice. You know what a spell checker is. Idaho finally got computers AND a software upgrade.

I would like to indulge you knickerbocker wearing pudwinkle Catholic boys a little more on the use of language, but I don't see much of the point in doing so. Because as it is, the English still owns you.

( Go ahead, put your thinking cap on. It might help you figure it out )

And while you were using that spell checker did you run across Noter Dame and desubfutercate? Maybe then it'll make some sense to you? 'But' then again, you are still most likely 'not' going to be able to understand it. Which is understandable, because the point of the conversation will always be above your head ( read it again and see if you catch on ). If you do, I personally garuntee, that you are the first graduate that learned something without getting a gimme degree to help out your graduation rates.

Yeah... figure it out yet?

Go ahead and show me something that the Irish can do outside of the Box. I haven't seen it yet. I saw USC and Michigan fall on Vince Young's watch. Which is what we are talking about here... which is what I detailed out for you representing schools that deliver degrees worth something. You know that foreign concept of earning what you get? Not having things handed it to you.

I could of course detail out a list of accomplishments from the Saint's school too... but we are talking about football and Vince Young here. Not gambling, fornicating, church, booster pay, and so forth. It is a school for Catholics' after all. Pious on Sunday, working up reasons to be so the rest of the week.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
I hope that that was sarcasm.
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Yep. You most certainly will graduate Magna Cum Laude... or whatever it is that they give out. The Dan Quayle Merit badge or something like that.
 
cuppacoffee said:
TU has a long history of 'using' their student athletes.
True fans of College Football detest this abysmal practice.

Poor graduation rates, ill prepared for life after football.

From PFW
" Why this is important: After all, these are supposed to be student-athletes out there playing. This is a good indicator for how much emphasis a program places on academics rather than simply using the football players for their on-the-field talents."

According to CollegeFootballNews...... TU is ranked below the following Texas schools in graduating their athletes.

N Texas
UTEP
U of H
T A M
Baylor
Rice

PS..LSU also trails the above schools, only slightly ahead of TU's graduation rates

College Football News

TU fans will tell you that this practice is changing under Brown.

We'll see.

:coffee:
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I wonder about the graduation rates.. is it they dropped out of UT and never went back or did they go to one of the other colleges in Austin(isn't there like 5?ACC,houston-tilson(or something like that) and the others escape me)
 
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