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Von Miller, Justin Houston or Brandon Harris?

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PHAROAH

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Alright guys it's time to start shifting our focus away from the 2010 season and now it's time to focus on what to do with our 1st round pick. I have been review film and the question that I have for everyone is if OLB - Von Miller isn't available at #11 who would be your choice? I was watching film on prospects and there are two players that most scouts are starting to move up the 1st round board and they are OLB - Justin Houston {UGA} & CB - Brandon Harris {UM}. I love all 3 prospects but we can only draft one of them and they are all at a position of need please add your thoughts. Justin Houston reminds me of Demarcus Ware & Von Miller is just a Beast and plays a lot like Clay Matthews up in Green Bay and CB - Brandon Harris can flat out cover, I know that this depends on what we do in free agency but give me your thoughts.



Von Millier: 6'3 240 40: 4.60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQII6vrPHE


Justin Houston: 6'3" 260 40: 4.75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0L2RVId90



Brandon Harris: 5'11 195 40: 4.45


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc

:brando:
 
PHAROAH said:
Alright guys it's time to start shifting our focus away from the 2010 season and now it's time to focus on what to do with our 1st round pick. I have been review film and the question that I have for everyone is if OLB - Von Miller isn't available at #11 who would be your choice? I was watching film on prospects and there are two players that most scouts are starting to move up the 1st round board and they are OLB - Justin Houston {UGA} & CB - Brandon Harris {UM}. I love all 3 prospects but we can only draft one of them and they are all at a position of need please add your thoughts. Justin Houston reminds me of Demarcus Ware & Von Miller is just a Beast and plays a lot like Clay Matthews up in Green Bay and CB - Brandon Harris can flat out cover, I know that this depends on what we do in free agency but give me your thoughts.



Von Millier: 6'3 240 40: 4.60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQII6vrPHE


Justin Houston: 6'3" 260 40: 4.75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0L2RVId90



Brandon Harris: 5'11 195 40: 4.45


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc

:brando:
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Just looking at the videos you posted, I really like Justin Houston. He would make a great OLB in the 3-4.
 
houston is and will be a beast...harris i like if we trade back into the late teens....i like von but he scares me a little. i can't help but think that he reminds me a bit of aaron maybin.
 
Miller if given these choices, trading down to about 20 and taking Houston would be the way to go. If they can find a trading partner.

Aldon Smith is a guy that should be in this conversation though.

That guy has a chance to be a superstar. If he plays to his potential
 
gary said:
The OP said it depends on which free agents are brought in and we may not know that for awhile.
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gotcha....meh, it's not like we ever make splashes in FA, uncle bob doesn't believe in that....we need to draft the BPA on defense.
 
Trap_Star said:
gotcha....meh, it's not like we ever make splashes in FA, uncle bob doesn't believe in that....we need to draft the BPA on defense.
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Building through the draft for the most part is fine but that does not mean you shouldn't make some big splashes in free agency every once in awhile.
 
steelbtexan said:
Miller if given these choices, trading down to about 20 and taking Houston would be the way to go. If they can find a trading partner.

Aldon Smith is a guy that should be in this conversation though.

That guy has a chance to be a superstar. If he plays to his potential
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Aldon scares me, last time Texans drafted for potential, Okoye, he has yet to turn out. Trading down scares me too. guess I'm turning into a big ol' chicken my old age :chicken:
 
beerlover said:
I think Pollard could do some of the same things as Von Miller?
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Im surprised so many feel this way. Its what I have been thinking for awhile. Houston looks like the safer more reliable pick if we go OLB IMO. I could see us going with him as an ILB as well but am hoping for Casey Mathews late in the draft.
 
DE - Aldon Smith is a major project IMO I like Houston due to the fact he has played at a high level in the 3-4 & 4-3 and he led the SEC sacks in 2009 and followed DT- Nick Fairly in 2010 as a true 3-4 OLB in the best conference in college football. I think that J. Houston will rise on a lot 3-4 teams boards after they see him in work outs he looks to be a top 15 player when it's all said & done look Demarcus Ware came out of Troy and after his workouts he shot up the boards.
 
Houston sounds like the safe pick, maybe the smart pick if the Texans go edge-rusher with their first pick but Aldon Smith is tempting, maybe too temping ? But as far as comparing him to Okoye, where's the comparison ? Smith may be a project, but Okoye wasn't thought to be. He was maybe young, but he didn't come out early, he played all years of eligibility.
Okoye just wasn't worthy of the #10 overall, but not necessarily a project because he started from Day 1.
 
i would still take Miller at 11 if his there.

but i dont mind the idea of trading down for houston either because then we can get an extra pick (along with our possible compensation pick) and be able to turn over this D in no time.

houston possibly is a safer pick....but is that what we want (safe = mediocre) im not saying houston is mediocre but what i am saying is, that we could take the risk of taking an undersized but potentially explosive player in miller and we could have a great playmaker on our team.

Its what championship teams do, they take sometimes risky players and turn them into gems.

Miller will always be undersized but once he comes into the nfl after a season or 2 he will put on a bit of weight so it isnt as much of a liability.

PS no way would i take harris at 11. We can find a corner in the later rounds.
Everyone was complaining because we had a young secondary so why take another rookie.
I believe we will get a vet CB in free agency that will fill that void.

Secondary is as much as good scheming as good players, wade will turn as around i have faith!

GO TEXANS!
 
beerlover said:
Aldon scares me, last time Texans drafted for potential, Okoye, he has yet to turn out. Trading down scares me too. guess I'm turning into a big ol' chicken my old age :chicken:
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Yeah, I'm a gambler. Smith's a player though.

The thing I want really out of this draft is to fix the secondary.

How long has it been since there has been an above avg S has played for the Texans. Answer? Never.

This crap has to stop.

Gary and Rick have to do a better job. Lord knows they have done a terrible job so far.

Look at Smith's 4 first rd draft picks

1.OyOye = Bust
2. D.Brown= OK
3.Cushing= Who knows
4.K.Jackson= Maybe a nickle CB

Hopefully things will get better. Or atleast Gary will show up at the combine.

Time will tell

I would Love to see Houston on this team. Would you agree that the there will be anabove avg player at # 11? If so, its Smithiaks job to find that guy.

Right now I would trust you to run a draft board better than Smithiak. There's 5 yrs of proof. I would take 5 yrs of your mocks over the 5yrs crap Smithiak have served up on a platter to us. But you and I both know there's alot of political crap that goes on within the Texans management.
 
steelbtexan said:
Shortened to read... Smithiak drafting of defensive players has sucked!
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Hopefully with Wade here, Smith wont have the sayso on the defensive picks. And after watching Miller in the bowl game, it would scare me if he were the pick. I don't know about Smith. Any I agree, we have to get some safety help this offseason.
 
JB said:
Hopefully with Wade here, Smith wont have the sayso on the defensive picks. And after watching Miller in the bowl game, it would scare me if he were the pick. I don't know about Smith. Any I agree, we have to get some safety help this offseason.
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Thanks for giving me a break.

I was fortunate enough to get to watch the Bear game with Bear fan.

A few adult beverages later butt kicking was complete.

Steeler/Packer SB who wins?
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for giving me a break.

I was fortunate enough to get to watch the Bear game with Bear fan.

A few adult beverages later butt kicking was complete.

Steeler/Packer SB who wins?
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I'm thinking Pack, and hope so! But the Steelers are going to be very tough.
 
Never count out the Steelers in a SB

Remember the Steelers vs Seahawks.

The worst officiated game I've ever seen.
 
I have watched a decent amount of Von Miller and he reminds me of Elvis Dumervill. Undersized, high motor, gets pressure, but heady player that does not lose his cool and get stupid 15 yard penalties.

I have not seen as much Houston, but I have seen him compared favorably to Clay Matthews and James Harrison. I don't know much about those comparisons, but if true, then it is really a matter of who do you prefer in a 3-4: Elvis Dumervill or Clay Matthews/James Harrison?

Harrison was talked up as a potential shutdown corner until he was burnt by Michael Floyd for 100+ yrds and 2 tds. So, was he doing well against inferior competition, did he have an off game, is he not as good as advertised? I don't think he is the second coming of Revis, but if we traded down I woulod consider him depending on who else is still on the board.

However, I prefer the two OLB prospects much more.
 
Doppelganger said:
I have watched a decent amount of Von Miller and he reminds me of Elvis Dumervill. Undersized, high motor, gets pressure, but heady player that does not lose his cool and get stupid 15 yard penalties.

I have not seen as much Houston, but I have seen him compared favorably to Clay Matthews and James Harrison. I don't know much about those comparisons, but if true, then it is really a matter of who do you prefer in a 3-4: Elvis Dumervill or Clay Matthews/James Harrison?

Harrison was talked up as a potential shutdown corner until he was burnt by Michael Floyd for 100+ yrds and 2 tds. So, was he doing well against inferior competition, did he have an off game, is he not as good as advertised? I don't think he is the second coming of Revis, but if we traded down I woulod consider him depending on who else is still on the board.

However, I prefer the two OLB prospects much more.
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Hopefully he'll drop down and we can snag him in the 2nd round.
 
TimeKiller said:
Von Miller is undersized at 6/3 240? I mean even if you wanted him to gain 10 pounds that's a good sized LBer....
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alot of ppl think he plays around 230 or maybe even less. i agree that he scares me a bit aswell. his game is all about speed. fans will argue he compares to clay but he could just as easily be another maybin or the numerous other bust who just have speed and no moves. plus hes hasnt played 3-4 olb. big risk imo

dont know much about houston but his basement seems on another level to von's.. plus lets not forget his ceiling is a great edge rusher also. imo it seems a pretty easy decision between those two
 
aussie_texan said:
i would still take Miller at 11 if his there.

but i dont mind the idea of trading down for houston either because then we can get an extra pick (along with our possible compensation pick) and be able to turn over this D in no time.

houston possibly is a safer pick....but is that what we want (safe = mediocre) im not saying houston is mediocre but what i am saying is, that we could take the risk of taking an undersized but potentially explosive player in miller and we could have a great playmaker on our team.

Its what championship teams do, they take sometimes risky players and turn them into gems.

Miller will always be undersized but once he comes into the nfl after a season or 2 he will put on a bit of weight so it isnt as much of a liability.
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im calling BS on this one

good team generally hit on their early picks... crap teams are more likely to take your advice looking for that risky homerun player- who more often than not flames out and their back at square run.

houston just played a great season at 3-4 olb, is a passrusher & playmaker, has good power & closing speed. so why feel the need to take the chance on a much lighter & weaker player, who hasnt played the position & by your own admission needs a couple yrs to put on the weight to be a possible impact olb and whose pass rushing moves are quite limited. just because hes faster and IF he puts all those things together, he'll be a great olb
 
Maddict5 said:
im calling BS on this one

good team generally hit on their early picks... crap teams are more likely to take your advice looking for that risky homerun player- who more often than not flames out and their back at square run.

houston just played a great season at 3-4 olb, is a passrusher & playmaker, has good power & closing speed. so why feel the need to take the chance on a much lighter & weaker player, who hasnt played the position & by your own admission needs a couple yrs to put on the weight to be a possible impact olb and whose pass rushing moves are quite limited. just because hes faster and IF he puts all those things together, he'll be a great olb
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good teams yes generally get good value for their picks however sometimes they do take the risky option.

my man argument for miller is that he is a playmaker with instinct and that is something that you cant teach and can be only natural.

Miller probably would take an extra season then houston to be the pass rusher we wont him to be but its not like we are going to be competing for a superbowl next year (but i do see as having a winning season)

However they both have great potential and i would be happy with either.
 
aussie_texan said:
good teams yes generally get good value for their picks however sometimes they do take the risky option.

my man argument for miller is that he is a playmaker with instinct and that is something that you cant teach and can be only natural.

Miller probably would take an extra season then houston to be the pass rusher we wont him to be but its not like we are going to be competing for a superbowl next year (but i do see as having a winning season)

However they both have great potential and i would be happy with either.
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Good teams become good teams by making safe picks that pan out. Good teams become great teams by taking the risky player that ends up producing. Conversely, good teams still remain good teams if the risk does not work out. On the other hand, the bad teams taking risky players continue to be bad teams. See Detroit Lions under Matt Millen.
 
I think Miller is the safest OLB we can take in the draft. He just makes plays, hustles, and is smart.
 
i see maybin as well. he's a boom or bust prospect, there won't be an in between with him. houston is the safest IMO. he's going to be a d-ware type player.
 
TimeKiller said:
Von Miller is undersized at 6/3 240? I mean even if you wanted him to gain 10 pounds that's a good sized LBer....
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Miller weighed-in at the Senior Bowl @ 237. That's real small for an NFL LB, and if he adds 10 or 15 pounds he compromises his greatet asset which is his speed & quickness.
 
JB said:
Miller just scares the hell out of me. Much like Maybin.
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Trap_Star said:
i see maybin as well. he's a boom or bust prospect, there won't be an in between with him. houston is the safest IMO. he's going to be a d-ware type player.
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IDEXAN said:
Miller weighed-in at the Senior Bowl @ 237. That's real small for an NFL LB, and if he adds 10 or 15 pounds he compromises his greatet asset which is his speed & quickness.
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This is just what is being reported. But some scouts and draft sites are saying there is 0% chance that Miller drops out of the top 10.
 
Super Mario said:
This is just what is being reported. But some scouts and draft sites are saying there is 0% chance that Miller drops out of the top 10.
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That's what I was wondering in another post. I saw PFT stated he's projected as a top 10 pick, which sounds like he won't fall to us.
 
Super Mario said:
This is just what is being reported. But some scouts and draft sites are saying there is 0% chance that Miller drops out of the top 10.
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That very well may be true, but I went and took a gander at the top 10 teams and came away thinking he could easily fall. Then again, it only takes 1 to fall in love with him.

Carolina- They're in need of a QB and everything else. I think they're a 4-3 anyway.
Denver- Moving back to a 4-3, I think.
Buffalo- They need a QB among other things, but maybe
Cincinnati- They're a 4-3
Arizona- They need a QB, Oline, LBs, but maybe
Cleveland- I think they're going to a 4-3 too. If not, maybe here.
San Francisco- They need a QB
Tennessee- They need a QB, Dline and 4-3 LBs
Dallas- Maybe, but they have Ware and Spencer
Washington- Who friggin knows what the skins do, but they have Orakpo

So, in the end, I didn't prove a damn thing. Other than there are more teams that need a QB than I thought.
 
HOU-TEX said:
That very well may be true, but I went and took a gander at the top 10 teams and came away thinking he could easily fall. Then again, it only takes 1 to fall in love with him.

Carolina- They're in need of a QB and everything else. I think they're a 4-3 anyway.
Denver- Moving back to a 4-3, I think.
Buffalo- They need a QB among other things, but maybe
Cincinnati- They're a 4-3
Arizona- They need a QB, Oline, LBs, but maybe
Cleveland- I think they're going to a 4-3 too. If not, maybe here.
San Francisco- They need a QB
Tennessee- They need a QB, Dline and 4-3 LBs
Dallas- Maybe, but they have Ware and Spencer
Washington- Who friggin knows what the skins do, but they have Orakpo

So, in the end, I didn't prove a damn thing. Other than there are more teams that need a QB than I thought.
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Scott Wright has Buffalo talking him #3.

Or Arizona?

"I also noticed a representative of the Arizona Cardinals speaking with Texas A&M OLB Von Miller and upon further inspection it was none other than their Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt. The two spoke for at least five minutes and once again this player / team combo seems like a perfect match. Could the Cardinals, who run a 3-4 scheme and really need a pass rusher, take Miller at #5 overall?"

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl-Blog.php
 
Super Mario said:
Scott Wright has Buffalo talking him #3.

Or Arizona?

"I also noticed a representative of the Arizona Cardinals speaking with Texas A&M OLB Von Miller and upon further inspection it was none other than their Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt. The two spoke for at least five minutes and once again this player / team combo seems like a perfect match. Could the Cardinals, who run a 3-4 scheme and really need a pass rusher, take Miller at #5 overall?"

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl-Blog.php
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True, I mentioned Arizona, Buffalo and Cleveland (unless they switch) as maybes. Arizona and Buffalo both need QBs in a bad way, among other things. But you're right, who friggin knows.

If Miller doesn't fall, I'm not sure yet of who'd be worthy of the 11th pick that also might fit a need. Smith, Houston and Ayers are late 1st early 2nd, right? Maybe a CB?
 
this is from the texags propaganda machine, and I'm wholeheartedly slanted towards building von up, but this isn't some average joe talkin' here...

“Two words,” said [THE NFL NETWORK's] Mayock. “Defies. Gravity. Bends parallel to the ground. This guy comes off the edge and it’s scary how quick he gets to the quarterback. In my notes from the season, I had the word ‘wow’ written (about Miller) more than any other player.”
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from: linky

also, a link from mcshay regarding von: linky
 
Lance Zeilien said on 1560 this morning that none of the scouts have any problem with VMs size and he thinks he's gone atleast by the 8th pick,
so if he's right sounds like the Texans are gonna have to target somebody
besides Miller for their OLB.
 
even if miller goes before 11, we know that there are 3 incredible drafts prospects for his position

Guinn

Miller

Houston

if we pick up any of these guys i will be happy
 
Texan_Bill said:
VM!!! But yes, JimBaker quoted (or paraphrased) LZ as alas, he'll be gone by the 11th pick! :pissed:
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Hmm, hopefully he accidentally pisses on somebody's hand during the drug test at the Combine or something. Or maybe a huge shart during weigh-ins. Causing him to fall a few spots
 
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