Voice of the Fan- Amen I say to you!

[Dennis007]

With an 18-46 record as the "franchise quarterback", I believe he's already thrown 4 million Houstonians under the bus....not to mention collected 50 million dollars for his own pocket in the meantime.

Will u tell Cassely and Mc Nair what team they own?!, I think they got the blue uniforms mixed up.. they think we're the Colts!...

 

[geofb]

The playbook one would use with Young at QB is quite different than normal. Basically, it's drop back take one quick look to see if anyone is WIDE open and, if not, just take off running. It worked in college. It won't work in the NFL, at least not for long. It takes a true passer to succeed in the NFL. That Vince is not. Let Tennessee have him.

 

[stevo3883]

The playbook one would use with Young at QB is quite different than normal. Basically, it's drop back take one quick look to see if anyone is WIDE open and, if not, just take off running. It worked in college. It won't work in the NFL, at least not for long. It takes a true passer to succeed in the NFL. That Vince is not. Let Tennessee have him.

lol im trying to stay out of this for the most part, but this was so hilarious

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DAVID CARR DOES!

 

[SESupergenius]

The problem is, you cant be in year 5 of your career and be allotted a learning curve. Carr has to adjust now, as harsh as that sounds. The franchise cant give him 8 years of opportunity just to see if he COULD be sucessfull. You know why young gets a free pass to learn the system? cause he would be a ROOKIE. It takes time to develop rookie quarterbacks. However, Carr is a 4 year veteran. It should not still be taking time for him to develop. So what if you give carr your "learning curve", and gasp...he stilll isnt getting it done. Then you've wasted 7 years and several million dollars on what people are seeing now.....a lot of blown potential.

Sure you can, especially when an owner and GM are putting the offensive woes on the faults pf the coach and his system, that is the reason they were fired. You are basically saying that it's Carrs fault and that they should have fired Carr, not Capers and his staff. I guess we don't need to draft any offensive lineman because Young is going to out run them all. I'm not a Carr homer nor am I a Young hater, but I do know that this team needs an inducement of talent to succeed in 2 years. I am a proponent of trading down if a good offer comes along or selecting the best player available to us. Considering that the 2 best players are QB and RB, two positions we don't really need, that opens my eyes to whole playing field. It's been written over and over that his offensive line is horrible, but I guess the likes of you don't think so and may want to give the line another year under a new coach becaue you think it is good.

You want me to answer the question on how long it takes a QB to be good in Shanahans system? 2 years and some good drafting.

 

[The Dream]

this article is genius........hopefully CC will read this.

 

[swtbound07]

Sure you can, especially when an owner and GM are putting the offensive woes on the faults pf the coach and his system, that is the reason they were fired. You are basically saying that it's Carrs fault and that they should have fired Carr, not Capers and his staff. I guess we don't need to draft any offensive lineman because Young is going to out run them all. I'm not a Carr homer nor am I a Young hater, but I do know that this team needs an inducement of talent to succeed in 2 years. I am a proponent of trading down if a good offer comes along or selecting the best player available to us. Considering that the 2 best players are QB and RB, two positions we don't really need, that opens my eyes to whole playing field. It's been written over and over that his offensive line is horrible, but I guess the likes of you don't think so and may want to give the line another year under a new coach becaue you think it is good.

You want me to answer the question on how long it takes a QB to be good in Shanahans system? 2 years and some good drafting.

so 6 years for carr, IF you get your ideal draft for him, and if he takes to the new system...so in year 7 of our franchise, our first overall pick ever MIGHT be good? I dont have any more patience to let david carr develop. Most nfl qbs only get 3 years, carr has had 4. I refuse to give him 2 more.

 

[The Dream]

WRONG. That was last year. This year he made a point in the offseason to work on just that. That is why defenses could not stop him this year whereas some did last year. For all the people that think they can stack the box and stop VY, they are wrong. If you do that, he WILL throw, accurately I might add. That's what the best defense he faced all year (Ohio State), did and he threw the ball to beat them. I know that the NFL is a different story, but that is where his upside, leadership and work ethic come in. He has improved every single year he has played...no reason to think that he will not do the same on the pro level.

Exactly..............I went to Pearland Highschool and I remember we had a QB by the name of Noah Allen, and some people were trying to tell me that Noah would be a better QB at the college level, because of his throwing motion....they knocked VY then and they knock him now, when will they learn that he the man has a superior work ethic and that he HAS gotten better every year.

 

[BigWig]

Wow, this has been the most fun and head spinning read I have had in awhile!
AJ's cloumn is working everyone into a lather.

 

[Hervoyel]

so 6 years for carr, IF you get your ideal draft for him, and if he takes to the new system...so in year 7 of our franchise, our first overall pick ever MIGHT be good? I dont have any more patience to let david carr develop. Most nfl qbs only get 3 years, carr has had 4. I refuse to give him 2 more.

Well, it's a good thing that you're not our GM then isn't it.

Most NFL quarterbacks don't start on day one for expansion teams either nor do they find themselves playing on an offense that's been together for a few months and that runs out 5-6 rookies. Most NFL quarterbacks don't get sacked 76 times in one season.

The one thing our QB does have in common with "most" NFL quarterbacks is that they play in front of fans with no patience whatsoever. That part of "The David Carr" experience is just like everyone elses NFL quarterback ride.

 

[BeerTastesLikeVictory]

I could think of bigger problems that having to choose between 2 future hall of famers.

 

[Texans_Chick]

you could face the simple, cold truth of the matter: you don't draft a guy based on where he was from.

You don't. It doesn't happen. I am surprised that you of all people on this board would pitch such a fit about drafting Vince because he's a hometown guy.......
Because you don't draft NFL players based on where they are from. That's why.

I think most of the VY supporters would want to draft a QB with his amazing skills no matter where he is from.

It is just a plus factor that he is from Houston and really really wants to play here. There are not too many players that can say that.

You can try to be all vulcan about it and say that marketing and making fans happy and whatever doesn't matter, but that is not true. Winning will get fans in the seats and there is no guarantee that whoever we pick will result in immediate wins.

Fans in the seats matter. If you $%^& off the fans, and they don't use their corporate seats and we have a half empty stadium, it isn't condusive to winning or attracting free agents.

I want it LOUD in Reliant again. Only time that really happened this season was at the Big 12 Championship.

 

[Coach C.]

VY supporters, please list for me VY's stats, intangibles, and mannerisms that make him you all's top prospect. Nothing emotional would be great.

 

[Double Barrel]

I could think of bigger problems that having to choose between 2 future hall of famers.

heh-heh, dudes have yet to play a down of NFL football, and the Hall of Fame is ready to retire their numbers.

Excuse me if I wait a decade to make that judgement call.

 

[The Dream]

have argued against Vince' skill elsewhere, and will not repeat it here - is that you do not draft based on popularity.

let me say this, I don't care where Vince played his HS or college ball at, what I do care about is his amazing skills, leadership,will to win, and desire to be better....like Texans Chick said, him being from Houston just makes it that much better.

 

[chuckm]

VY supporters, please list for me VY's stats, intangibles, and mannerisms that make him you all's top prospect. Nothing emotional would be great.

You want stats ... I'll give you stats ..... played in Houston ... threw for an NCAA-record 4699 yards and 46 touchdowns ... shattered 26 NCAA and 15 Southwest Conference passing and total offense records ... won the heisman Trophy .... oh wait that's Andre Ware

 

[SESupergenius]

so 6 years for carr, IF you get your ideal draft for him, and if he takes to the new system...so in year 7 of our franchise, our first overall pick ever MIGHT be good? I dont have any more patience to let david carr develop. Most nfl qbs only get 3 years, carr has had 4. I refuse to give him 2 more.

Most NFL QBs didn't have the start that the Texans did. And sorry to tell you this, but Carr progressed EVERY year until last year. Farve knows what it's like to not have weapons or protection either as his team was very similar to ours. I don't care if it's year 30, if you don't address the issues of this team and keep drafting positions that don't need to be upgraded then you are going to be picking in the top 10 for a while. I don't have patience for a Vickesque QB that that MIGHT be a QB and we let our other QB go. I've seen enough of Carr to know that in the right system and with other players around him he will lead this team to do good. If we don't address the other needs of this offense, OL, TE, WR, RB, then sure, I don't mind paying some cash to watch Young dart all over the field an an unorganized fashion.

 

[Texans2005]

Washington State head coach Bill Doba:
"If you've got a linebacker covering him, you might as well start singing their fight song."


USC Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Matt Leinart:
"Every time Reggie touches the ball, anything can happen...He's an awesome weapon...A lot of people think he's an outside runner, but he's tough. He can run in between the tackles...When he first came to USC, he was running all over our first defense in fall camp, cutting back, reversing his field. We knew he was special. Anytime he has the ball, something big could happen. It's unbelievable what he can do."


Former USC All-American defensive end Kenechi Udeze:
"He's fun to watch. I remember his first day of practice, he must have run a circle around the whole defense and sprinted for a touchdown. Then to see it happen in the games was really funny."


Former USC All-American wide receiver Mike Williams:
"Reggie's the ultimate weapon."


Former USC center Norm Katnik:
"He's a special guy. He can shake people like no other. I almost tackled him two times myself. He has the ability to make people miss." USC athletic director and 1965 Heisman Trophy-winning tailback Mike Garrett: "He's going to be one of the best ever. He looks like another Gale Sayers."


USC head coach Pete Carroll:
"I told him, 'You're the most valuable guy on the field for what you're creating by your presence.'...The overriding element of his game is he's just got such fantastic hands. You can look at the speed and all the rest, but few guys catch the ball so well. I'm talking about anybody, not just running backs."


Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com:
"He releases adrenaline in every bloodstream the minute he touches the ball."


Gene Wojciechowski, ESPN.com:
"He's a human highlight tape."


Steve Bisheff, Orange County Register:
"Bush is definitely the most exciting player in college football. Bush with the football in an open space is like Barry Bonds at the plate with the bases loaded. Immediately, your senses heighten. Your pulse races. Your eyes refuse to look anywhere else...No one in college football has anyone like him. No one else is even close...The Trojans' flashy hummingbird of an all-purpose player is an amalgam of all the great USC backs through the years."


Steve Kelley, Seattle Times:
"Bush is one-of-a-kind. So good, so versatile, USC's coaching staff is just beginning to see all the ways he can be used. When he touches the ball, defensive coordinators hold their breath. Every play called for him can be a game-breaker. Every touch can be something you'll never forget...Bush zig-zags through defenses as if he has a sixth sense for the location of the next sliver of daylight. He cuts as sharply as a Ferrari in a chicane. He shimmies like a dancer in a music video. A football field is 53 yards wide, and there are plays where Reggie Bush seems to use every inch from sideline to sideline...'The President' is carving exquisite, artful-dodger runs through desperately grasping and gasping defenses. Re-awakening the echoes of all the great Trojan tailbacks who preceded him. Hail to the Chief."


Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline.com:
"They call him "The President." They might soon be calling him The King...He is that rare back with the speed and strength to run through the line and the ability to make defenders miss in space when he goes out for a pass...He is a symbol for what USC was, is and will be."


Randy Youngman, Orange County Register:
"Even if he got to carry or catch the ball on every down, I would never get tired of watching Reggie Bush, USC's electrifying running back. Bush has so many open-field moves, he's more elusive than 'The Fugitive.' Now you see him, now you don't...touchdown, Trojans!"


Arash Markazi, Daily Trojan:
"Reggie Bush looks like a creation from a video game-an almost unreal character created by a kid who finds all the secret codes to make his player faster, quicker and better than everyone else on the field...He always makes the impossible seem possible. The scary thing for USC's opponents is that this creation isn't imaginary. He's not from a video game. He's a living, breathing human joystick who terrorizes defenses with his blinding speed and ankle-breaking shimmies...His speed borders on blinding and his knack for eluding defenders borders on ridiculous."


Former Washington head coach Keith Gilbertson:
"I don't care what formation they're in, you better know where No. 5 is, OK? End of story."


Virginia Teach head coach Frank Beamer:
"If he could throw, he'd be Michael Vick." California head coach Jeff Tedford: "If he's not the best player in the country, he's one of the top, no question...He is so talented than any one-on-one situation, he's going to win. You have to pay attention to where he is."


Former Oregon State quarterback Derek Anderson:
"The kid is unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it, in the NFL or wherever."


Former Stanford head coach Buddy Teevens:
"You can't really stop Bush, to be perfectly honest. He's in a class by himself."


Former Stanford assistant coach Tom Williams:
"He is the most versatile player in the country and, in my opinion, he's the best player in the country."


Arizona State head coach Dirk Koetter:
"He can do it all. Every time he touches the ball, you hold your breath."


Former BYU head coach Gary Crowton:
"He's as good as any receiver on their team, and the next moment, he's running with power, makes one guy miss and he's so fast he can go the distance. He just has the ability to create lots of matchup problems without them changing personnel groups. That's a real luxury they have. It kind of reminds me of Marshall Faulk."


Colorado State head coach Sonny Lubick:
"The thing that makes him so darned good is he's such a confident young guy and he's never out of the play, no matter how bleak it looks, no matter how much you have him surrounded."


Kirk Herbstreit, ESPN:
"The most explosive player in college football is Reggie Bush. The best player in the country wears No. 5 for USC. If you get a chance, check him out. Reggie Bush...He's the most electrifying player in college football. Every time he touches the ball, he can score."


Bud Withers, Seattle Times:
"There is little doubt that Bush is the most dynamic player in the nation. He may not win the Heisman Trophy, but voters ought to think long and hard if defenders' broken ankles, Bush's gasp-inducing cuts and spinning, serpentine dashes matter."


Ted Miller, ESPN.com:
"Bush is Shakespeare. He's gifted with speedy brilliance and flourish. Bush is 200 pounds of sound and fury signifying touchdown. He doth rise from the ground like feathered Mercury striding the heavens...He resembles the elusive Gale Sayers or the versatile Marshall Faulk."


David Leon Moore, USA Today:
"Bush is basically a sworn enemy of a straight line. He's all switchbacks and zigzags, spin moves and ankle-breaking shimmies. Some people even think he is already the most entertaining, and maybe best, college football player in the country...He is a quiet sort, polite, humble, good grades, solid citizen...On a football field, he gets around like nobody else. Here, there, this sideline, that end zone, he's running, receiving, returning, making plays, scoring touchdowns, winning games...He runs with a can't-take-your-eyes-off-him style that seems part Marshall Faulk, part Barry Sanders, part Gale Sayers."


Nick Canepa, San Diego Union-Tribune:
"Bush, who runs like a witch flies, has developed into the most dangerous player in the country."


Jeff Miller, Orange County Register:
"What defenders see are hips and elbows and ankles and forearms and shoe bottoms, all of it twisting and spinning until what remains is a trail of vapor and shadows and empty-armed opponents...USC uses him to create Maalox matchups for the opposition. When Bush is positioned anywhere but the backfield, 10 defenders can be seen pointing and waving, motioning as to his whereabouts."


USC tailback LenDale White:
"He's smooth. He's got mad, crazy speed...If Reggie's not the best there is, he's one of the best. He opens this offense up so much just by being there." Former USC All-American defensive lineman Shaun Cody: "Practicing against him was great training for us. You want to improve your quickness, try chasing a rabbit around."


Former USC tight end Alex Holmes:
"When he's in, you heard linebackers screaming every time. They were all shouting about 'No. 5.' Reggie is a guy who literally changes the game just by being out there."


Former USC All-American linebacker Lofa Tatupu:
"We just sat back on Saturday and watched the show...Not to take credit away from the offensive line because they've done a great job, but Reggie sets up his blocks so well that they can miss their man completely and he still gets through...I've even told guys on the other team, 'Don't feel bad. He got me with that play twice this week in practice, too.'"


Former USC cornerback Kevin Arbet:
"He's the best player I've ever played with or against. When he's running an option route against you, you just have to guess. It's impossible."


Patrick Kinmartin, Daily Trojan:
"His combination of track-sprinter speed and music-video shiftiness makes him a one-man show."


Dan Weber, Riverside Press-Telegram:
"Bush awes his teammates daily with his ability to get to full speed on his second step."


Todd Harmonson, Orange County Register:
"Bush is a highlight-show fixture with physiology-defying, did-he-do-that moves. The easy comparison is to Marshall Faulk because of the similarity in all-around games, but those who saw Gale Sayers recognize the speed, spins and spellbinding cuts...He is a speed demon who sees Christmas morning when a linebacker tries to defend him and a winnable challenge when a quick corner draws the assignment...Off the field, Bush is a quiet leader who is on track to graduate in 3 ½ years."


Phil Collin, South Bay Daily Breeze:
"Around USC now, they're simply wondering what Reggie will come up with next. The thing is, they know it's coming. Opponents do too...As brilliant as he can be on the football field, Bush is simply that humble off of it. He smiles sheepishly at the mention of his nickname, 'The President.'"


Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."


Michael Ventre, MSNBC.com:
"Bush is young and multi-talented. He's a running back. He's a receiver. He's a kick returner. He's a punt returner. He's even a passer. If you try to pigeonhole him, you'd better have lots of pigeonholes...Bush can stop on a dime, give you nine cents change, then blow past you before you can bend to pick it up...When it comes to pure, all-around, pound-for-pound value from a college football player, it's hard to beat what Bush brings to the table...He's a genuine once-in-a-generation player...And he's a good kid-smart, down to earth, respectful of others yet supremely confident...He has turned a run-of-the-mill punt return into an event. He causes teams to kick away from him on kickoffs. When he comes into the game, defenders cast desperate looks at their sideline for advice."

 

[Long-Spurs-Texan]

Rushing QBs dont win superbowls.QUOTE]

John Elway & Steve Young won superbowls. Fran Tarkenton took the Vikings 3 times to the SB. Mcnabb has taken the Eagles. Steve Mcnair was a former MVP, and led the Titans to the playoffs 4-5 years in his prime. If Randall Cunningham wouldn't have blown out his knee with the Eagles, he could have been even better. Michael Vick has taken the Atlanta Falcons to the NFC Championship game last year. Disagree all you want. Scrambling QB's have had some success at this level.

 

[michaelm]

Young plays in a very un-NFL offense right now...

Unfortunately, so Does Carr...!

 

[swtbound07]

Well, it's a good thing that you're not our GM then isn't it.

Most NFL quarterbacks don't start on day one for expansion teams either nor do they find themselves playing on an offense that's been together for a few months and that runs out 5-6 rookies. Most NFL quarterbacks don't get sacked 76 times in one season.

The one thing our QB does have in common with "most" NFL quarterbacks is that they play in front of fans with no patience whatsoever. That part of "The David Carr" experience is just like everyone elses NFL quarterback ride.

patience for a qb to develop is one thing. Patience for a qb that has failed to re-develop is asking a lot. Carr had his shot. he regressed. Yes, he hasnt had the greatest of circumstances. The point is, you dont know that those circumstances will go away. David carr could play here next year and it could not get any better. Does his 3 year development clock START when you put a competent team behind him? Cause if so, he might be waiting until year 9

 

[SESupergenius]

patience for a qb to develop is one thing. Patience for a qb that has failed to re-develop is asking a lot. Carr had his shot. he regressed. Yes, he hasnt had the greatest of circumstances. The point is, you dont know that those circumstances will go away. David carr could play here next year and it could not get any better. Does his 3 year development clock START when you put a competent team behind him? Cause if so, he might be waiting until year 9

Ok that makes "0" sense. When does Young development clock start, AFTER we get talent around HIM?

 

[Hervoyel]

patience for a qb to develop is one thing. Patience for a qb that has failed to re-develop is asking a lot. Carr had his shot. he regressed. Yes, he hasnt had the greatest of circumstances. The point is, you dont know that those circumstances will go away. David carr could play here next year and it could not get any better. Does his 3 year development clock START when you put a competent team behind him? Cause if so, he might be waiting until year 9

"re-develop"? He hasn't had a chance to develop once let alone do it again!

"The point is, you don't know that those circumstances will go away" and yet your answer to the problem is to throw another highly touted QB into the same circumstances.

You're right. David Carr could play here next year and it could "not get any better". That could happen. You know what else could happen? You could get Vince Young started on his first 50+ sack season and watch "year one" all over again. If we're waiting until year 9 for the Texans to put a competent team around their QB then I can tell you two things that will be absolute, indisputable facts:

1. David Carr (or Vince Young) will be dead.
2. There won't be very many people left waiting at that point.

 

[Texans_Chick]

I understand wanting it loud, and of course, fans play a big role in the financial success of the franchise.

That said, supposing that we either draft Vince Young and lose, or draft Joe Nobody and win, I would rather draft Joe Nobody and win. Moreover, winning = filled seats, no matter who is on the field, really. Losing with VY may fill seats for awhile, but the love affair will die quickly if we go 4-12.

Of course, drafting Vince is not mutually exclusive with winning. The guy may come on here and we go 10-6, to which everyone says the great champion has descended from Zeus and look at what was wrought as a result, ignoring coaches or whatever other sweeping changes were made here in the meantime.

However, I digress. My point throughout this thread - I have argued against Vince' skill elsewhere, and will not repeat it here - is that you do not draft based on popularity. This isn't a coffee shop, and we are not talking about trendy decor and kitsch. We are not selling out a concert here. We are talking about winning football games, which at the end of the day, the end of the week, the end of the season ... IS the end-all, be-all, most important factor toward fan recognition and appreciation.

Stuff the VY-marketing argument, because it is isn't relevant here.

The Texans need fans to have some more patience because the odds are that with next year's schedule and sweeping new changes that need to be implementing, we are not going to be winning quickly.

VY buys you more patience.

My point on the marketing is that it is just a plus factor. That taking Bush or Young is a gamble, both have potential and risk, and in your calculus of risk-reward, it is something that you should consider. Sports is not just a cold thing you can input to a computer and figure out what means winning--it is partially an emotional thing, and ignore passion to your peril.

That's all.

 

[Hervoyel]

All of which makes a weird yet highly emphatic case for building an O-line and defense.

Beats killing another QB. I just want to get the one we have another weapon (ok two, I want a TE) and a lineman or two this year.

All these Longhorn fans are raging about how the Texans will alienate them if they pass on Vince Young. Wonder how much they'll all love the Texans once Vince crosses that 200 sack line? The only thing worse than ignoring their QB will be getting him killed.

 

[nunusguy]

Since the Rose Bowl the content and tone of this board sickens me.

Yea, these discussions about the Rose Bowl are going on ad nauseam.
Pretty soon many on this Board will recommend that no players other
than those in the Rose Bowl game for UT can be considered as Draft picks for the Texans in Aprils Draft this year.

 

[Dennis007]

Texans Chick

Normally I respect your style, even if I don't agree with it. However in this case I do think you are missing the point.

We are moving from drafting for the sake of winning to drafting for marketing purposes or "buying time," which is minimally relevant. I know that you and others say go with Young because he is the best thing for us from a winning perspective, but you are moving away from that facet of the argument with each of these posts.

I, as a fan, personally do not care about "buying time." I too recognize that we are a couple of years away from the playoffs as a franchise, but I do not share your dismal outlook for the next season. With a new coaching staff and a good offseason, there is nothing that says we can't go 8-8 next year: just ask the Bengals.

I reiterate: look at the Patriots, most recently. Tom Brady was an absolute nobody, and people love the guy now. They love Brady because he is the face of a highly successful, winning team.

Read my NFL Top Ten in the Last Ten piece for a list full of popular guys who were the absolute big thing in their college days. Some of these names now serve fries at a McDonalds near you.

Fame is fleeting, in pro sports as it anywhere else. People pay, and especially in the NFL, to see winning teams. They pay to go to the game and leave with the Home score being higher than the Visiting score.

Vince Young being from Houston will mean absolutely squat when it comes to producing wins for us this next year. You and others may fight over tickets to that first game to see your new hero in action, and I say fine, that is great that you like the guy and want to see him play. But I guarantee you, if at the end of the year we are 3-12 and duking it out for another top 5 draft pick ... you won't be clamoring for tickets any more.

Winning games and drafting to win games MUST be the franchise focus. Drafting is more than stat lines, it of course involves intangibles and potential and all of that other ying-yang. It does not, however, involve picking hometown boys or the flavor of the month.

So you like the flavor of 18-46? Hmm Interesting, are you part of Casserly's camp?

Ok, next season look forward to being 18-62..

 

[Double Barrel]

All these Longhorn fans are raging about how the Texans will alienate them if they pass on Vince Young. Wonder how much they'll all love the Texans once Vince crosses that 200 sack line? The only thing worse than ignoring their QB will be getting him killed.

Ain't that the truth!

The fact of the matter is that any QB in NFL history would look pathetic behind the 2005 Texans offense. It's a no-brainer, really. Just adding one player [however dynamic with unlimited potential] won't change a darn thing. A team overhaul is required, which means only a handful of players get a pass (I'm sure we already know who they are, too).

I have no firm opinion about Bush or Young. I'd happily accept the decision to trade the pick if it was for the right price. I'm in love with no single player, because I'm a Texans fan, first and foremost. Whatever decisions help the team is all I care about (marketing be damned!).

 

[Dennis007]

Where does this even come from? Way to make a clever play on words, namely the word "flavor" which you have pulled out of my post and out of your *** and managed to steer far and wide from anything resembling a real conclusion on my argument.

Since you seemed to have grasped writing ... try reading next time.

Try reading the guy's post. Then you'll see Mr. CEO reading for the blind.

 

[Errant Hothy]

All this talk of marketing is bogus.

Why?

Because after next year, assuming we draft VY, and we go somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3-13, with VY thorwing a couple of INTs a week that great one year pop we would get from drafting the local hero would diasappear. epically once people relalize that with a new QB this team would be 3-4 yrs away from a playoff run, starting over at the most key position (with a player who will NEED extra time), and that we would still suck.

And all of this is mute till we get HC and hear if he has any say in personnel.

 

[thunderkyss]

If we were 7-9 this past year, or even 6-10, then I would agree keeping Carr would be the best thing for the continuity of this team. but at 2-14, then we could wipe the slate clean(if not for the cap rules, this wouldn't be a bad idea), and be no worse off, with a completely new team........ the only way you could have continuity, is to build on your success from the previous years, for our team, that would mean We keep the Offensive line and our running back. That is the only success we have had. Our running game is better than the Colts, Carolina & New England. Putting in a new running back, putting in a two back set...... that would be moving more backwards, than putting in a quarteback who would handle a poor pass protection differently. We're 29 in passing offense. You can't really go to much further backwards in that category, and it's hardly worth saving. Our passing game needs to be improved. I think we need two stud offensive lineman to fix the O-Line. Or 1 QB whose play can negate a lot of bad play from the O-Line.

There was a team in the NFL this year, that lost their homefield.... every game was on the road..... they didn't get to go home after one practice. They didn't go to their favorite cool down spots. Yet, they finished ahead of the Houston Texans. Another team lost their starting QB, and their Backup...... still they finished better than the Houston Texans. There's another team, who lost their head coach mid season...... still they finished better than the Texans.
I'm definitely thinking about putting young on our bench next year. If we're below 500 at mid-season, I want Carr on the bench, and I want a better option than Tony Banks taking his spot.

 

[Dennis007]

Hey guys cast your vote on Click 2 Houston regarding the draft..

FYI Vince Young is at 66%

Reggie is just about obsolete.


I say give the fans what they want!

Draft VY 2006!

 

[thunderkyss]

All this talk of marketing is bogus.

Why?

Because after next year, assuming we draft VY, and we go somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3-13, with VY thorwing a couple of INTs a week that great one year pop we would get from drafting the local hero would diasappear. epically once people relalize that with a new QB this team would be 3-4 yrs away from a playoff run, starting over at the most key position (with a player who will NEED extra time), and that we would still suck.

And all of this is mute till we get HC and hear if he has any say in personnel.

But what if don't take Young, we trade down, we shore up our offensive line, We add a quality corner........ & we'er still 3-13.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Hey guys cast your vote on Click 2 Houston regarding the draft..

FYI Vince Young is at 66%

Reggie is just about obsolete.


I say give the fans what they wany!

Draft VY 2006!

Yeah listen to the fans that how you build a SB winnig team, casue we all know the fans know best:brickwall

Becasue then we would have Taylor, not D-Rob; and minus some number of other players gotten form that draft and the one that followed.

Any once again why are we giving merit to a public poll being conducted in one of the options backyard? Becasue there is no way that it not skewed or anything is there?

On average listening to the fans is the last thing a sports team should do, remember the booing McNabb got from Philly intialy? Think they are glad know that they got Donavon instead of Ricky?

 

[The Dream]

Yeah listen to the fans that how you build a SB winnig team, casue we all know the fans know best

They probably know more than CC.

 

[Nighthawk]

BTW Texan Asylum, love the avatar. I remember seeing that game as a kid (playoff game I think?).

Kudos to Texas Asylum for the avatar. Call me crazy but sometimes I just sit here and stare at it. I saw the game, too. It's wonderful and amazing.

 

[Errant Hothy]

But what if don't take Young, we trade down, we shore up our offensive line, We add a quality corner........ & we'er still 3-13.

We'd still be closer to be being better then if we drafted Young, who would probaly still not be ready after us going 3-13 in 06.

 

[Errant Hothy]

They probably know more than CC.

Doubtful. How many SB rings do you have?

That's what I thought, now stop acting like you are some undiscovered GM genius and go back to Madden. Because like me, you likely have no idea how to be a succesful NFL GM, nor are you probaly capable of being a succesful GM.

 

[thunderkyss]

We'd still be closer to be being better then if we drafted Young, who would probaly still not be ready after us going 3-13 in 06.

See, I'm thinking Young will be ready by the Preseason... comparatively speaking. I'm giving Carr the first 8 games out of respect.

I'm saying we can't be worse than 2-14 if we start Vince Week 1

 

[Nighthawk]

you don't draft a guy based on where he was from.

You don't. It doesn't happen. I am surprised that you of all people on this board would pitch such a fit about drafting Vince because he's a hometown guy.

The Young-haters are out in full force and, in the immortal words of somebody, they "just don't get it."

It's not about Young being a home town guy, it's about him being an amazing athlete and quarterback who is BETTER RIGHT NOW, coming out of college, than Carr is after four years in the league.

Sure, if we had Peyton Manning or one of the other top flight QBs in the league then we probably would not want to draft Young. We'd feel bad to lose him but we'd be satisfied that we had our QB. As it is we've got David Carr. I mean, c'mon guys, he's really not such a good QB, and even if he had a great team around him he'd probably only manage to be mid-pack. He's four years in and has shown next to nothing.

So that's the core of the problem: we have a not so good QB in hand and there's another superstar QB suddenly available to us. Nobody thought Young was coming out this year. If they had, the board would have been clamoring for him all along. The interest in Bush only developed against the context of Vince Young staying in school.

So now, suddenly, everything is different. All the calculations have to be redone. We have to think again, as a team, whether we want to draft a 15-20 touches-per-game part-time running back who clearly can't play against speed and who is small by NFL standards in the first place, or an eventual on field leader who wins the games one way or the other, a big, strong, fast, smart guy who snaps the ball to his receivers, is uncannily accurate for having such an odd throwing motion, is tall enough (maybe?) to get away with that motion at the next level, and can run pretty well to boot. I don't see Vince Young as a Michael Vick guy, but more as a polished bigger and faster Randall Cunningham, or Brett Favre type.

For my money you build with strength and while Bush would be a very nice addition to the team, he's not a central building block of any team.

 

[GoneTexan]

" I can tell you two things that will be absolute, indisputable facts:

1. David Carr (or Vince Young) will be dead.
2. There won't be very many people left waiting at that point.

I’ll be your Huckleberry! Most of all I’ll still be a Houston Texan fan! I’m here to support the organization (even if it takes a long, long time) unless the owner becomes a Jerry Jones.
Go Texans!

 

[zeplin]

I did not see anything but highlights from either of those two games, so forgive me if I am understating his abilities.

Either way, the point is that we do not draft a player based on where he is from.

Put a sock in it, already. If we draft Vince, it will be because management feels he is the best player for this franchise, in terms of his ability to lead our team to wins. Not because his grandma and all the Longhorns around here can come to all the games.

I have made no small secret of the fact that I believe he is not the best player for this franchise, but if we are going to talk about drafting him, let's do it on the basis of his skills: not what high school he went to.

That is exactly correct. It has nothing to do with his city affiliation. VY is a great talent and so is Reggie bush but the fact is the Texans have a good RB and QB. Their needs are in other areas. Both of these players could be great or they could e busts. That is something we will find out in the future.
I just want people to realize that these are not sure things.

 

[The Dream]

Doubtful. How many SB rings do you have?

Dude stop living in the past, CC has done a overall bad job as GM of this team, I know it, you know it, and I'm sure he probably knows it also......the guy on 610 broke it down best this morning when he named all the things that CC has missed on.

 

[thunderkyss]

That is exactly correct. It has nothing to do with his city affiliation. VY is a great talent and so is Reggie bush but the fact is the Texans have a good RB and QB. Their needs are in other areas. Both of these players could be great or they could e busts. That is something we will find out in the future.
I just want people to realize that these are not sure things.

I honestly don't see how any one can think we wouldn't win more games just by adding Vince Young next year. If everything else stays the same, Vince Young will win us more games. Put Bush on this team, would we have one more games??

I really like Carr, I don't believe he has been in a good situation. I think he could very well go on to be a ProBowler......... Letting Him go, with only Tony Banks to fill the spot........ you better believer there'd be trouble in H-Town.

We've got a lot of money invested in Carr, no doubt.... and I like the kid, but I don't want to give him any more money than we have to. Let him be a free agent... if He can get a better deal than the Texans are willing to offer, then fine. Now I mean to put a decent offer on the table, I want to keep him. I want to start him........ but I don't want to pay him anymore, than his fair market value...... Will anyone give us a first round pick for David Carr?? Would ou give up a first round pick for Manning?? Brady?? McNabb?? Vick??(I wouldn't for Vick, but I bet someone would)

 

[axman40]

I said, and I repeat: argue for Vince on the basis of football, not on hometown status.

http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights
Enjoy the show and picture#10 In Texan gear!

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Washington State head coach Bill Doba:
"If you've got a linebacker covering him, you might as well start singing their fight song."


USC Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Matt Leinart:
"Every time Reggie touches the ball, anything can happen...He's an awesome weapon...A lot of people think he's an outside runner, but he's tough. He can run in between the tackles...When he first came to USC, he was running all over our first defense in fall camp, cutting back, reversing his field. We knew he was special. Anytime he has the ball, something big could happen. It's unbelievable what he can do."


Former USC All-American defensive end Kenechi Udeze:
"He's fun to watch. I remember his first day of practice, he must have run a circle around the whole defense and sprinted for a touchdown. Then to see it happen in the games was really funny."


Former USC All-American wide receiver Mike Williams:
"Reggie's the ultimate weapon."


Former USC center Norm Katnik:
"He's a special guy. He can shake people like no other. I almost tackled him two times myself. He has the ability to make people miss." USC athletic director and 1965 Heisman Trophy-winning tailback Mike Garrett: "He's going to be one of the best ever. He looks like another Gale Sayers."


USC head coach Pete Carroll:
"I told him, 'You're the most valuable guy on the field for what you're creating by your presence.'...The overriding element of his game is he's just got such fantastic hands. You can look at the speed and all the rest, but few guys catch the ball so well. I'm talking about anybody, not just running backs."


Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com:
"He releases adrenaline in every bloodstream the minute he touches the ball."


Gene Wojciechowski, ESPN.com:
"He's a human highlight tape."


Steve Bisheff, Orange County Register:
"Bush is definitely the most exciting player in college football. Bush with the football in an open space is like Barry Bonds at the plate with the bases loaded. Immediately, your senses heighten. Your pulse races. Your eyes refuse to look anywhere else...No one in college football has anyone like him. No one else is even close...The Trojans' flashy hummingbird of an all-purpose player is an amalgam of all the great USC backs through the years."


Steve Kelley, Seattle Times:
"Bush is one-of-a-kind. So good, so versatile, USC's coaching staff is just beginning to see all the ways he can be used. When he touches the ball, defensive coordinators hold their breath. Every play called for him can be a game-breaker. Every touch can be something you'll never forget...Bush zig-zags through defenses as if he has a sixth sense for the location of the next sliver of daylight. He cuts as sharply as a Ferrari in a chicane. He shimmies like a dancer in a music video. A football field is 53 yards wide, and there are plays where Reggie Bush seems to use every inch from sideline to sideline...'The President' is carving exquisite, artful-dodger runs through desperately grasping and gasping defenses. Re-awakening the echoes of all the great Trojan tailbacks who preceded him. Hail to the Chief."


Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline.com:
"They call him "The President." They might soon be calling him The King...He is that rare back with the speed and strength to run through the line and the ability to make defenders miss in space when he goes out for a pass...He is a symbol for what USC was, is and will be."


Randy Youngman, Orange County Register:
"Even if he got to carry or catch the ball on every down, I would never get tired of watching Reggie Bush, USC's electrifying running back. Bush has so many open-field moves, he's more elusive than 'The Fugitive.' Now you see him, now you don't...touchdown, Trojans!"


Arash Markazi, Daily Trojan:
"Reggie Bush looks like a creation from a video game-an almost unreal character created by a kid who finds all the secret codes to make his player faster, quicker and better than everyone else on the field...He always makes the impossible seem possible. The scary thing for USC's opponents is that this creation isn't imaginary. He's not from a video game. He's a living, breathing human joystick who terrorizes defenses with his blinding speed and ankle-breaking shimmies...His speed borders on blinding and his knack for eluding defenders borders on ridiculous."


Former Washington head coach Keith Gilbertson:
"I don't care what formation they're in, you better know where No. 5 is, OK? End of story."


Virginia Teach head coach Frank Beamer:
"If he could throw, he'd be Michael Vick." California head coach Jeff Tedford: "If he's not the best player in the country, he's one of the top, no question...He is so talented than any one-on-one situation, he's going to win. You have to pay attention to where he is."


Former Oregon State quarterback Derek Anderson:
"The kid is unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it, in the NFL or wherever."


Former Stanford head coach Buddy Teevens:
"You can't really stop Bush, to be perfectly honest. He's in a class by himself."


Former Stanford assistant coach Tom Williams:
"He is the most versatile player in the country and, in my opinion, he's the best player in the country."


Arizona State head coach Dirk Koetter:
"He can do it all. Every time he touches the ball, you hold your breath."


Former BYU head coach Gary Crowton:
"He's as good as any receiver on their team, and the next moment, he's running with power, makes one guy miss and he's so fast he can go the distance. He just has the ability to create lots of matchup problems without them changing personnel groups. That's a real luxury they have. It kind of reminds me of Marshall Faulk."


Colorado State head coach Sonny Lubick:
"The thing that makes him so darned good is he's such a confident young guy and he's never out of the play, no matter how bleak it looks, no matter how much you have him surrounded."


Kirk Herbstreit, ESPN:
"The most explosive player in college football is Reggie Bush. The best player in the country wears No. 5 for USC. If you get a chance, check him out. Reggie Bush...He's the most electrifying player in college football. Every time he touches the ball, he can score."


Bud Withers, Seattle Times:
"There is little doubt that Bush is the most dynamic player in the nation. He may not win the Heisman Trophy, but voters ought to think long and hard if defenders' broken ankles, Bush's gasp-inducing cuts and spinning, serpentine dashes matter."


Ted Miller, ESPN.com:
"Bush is Shakespeare. He's gifted with speedy brilliance and flourish. Bush is 200 pounds of sound and fury signifying touchdown. He doth rise from the ground like feathered Mercury striding the heavens...He resembles the elusive Gale Sayers or the versatile Marshall Faulk."


David Leon Moore, USA Today:
"Bush is basically a sworn enemy of a straight line. He's all switchbacks and zigzags, spin moves and ankle-breaking shimmies. Some people even think he is already the most entertaining, and maybe best, college football player in the country...He is a quiet sort, polite, humble, good grades, solid citizen...On a football field, he gets around like nobody else. Here, there, this sideline, that end zone, he's running, receiving, returning, making plays, scoring touchdowns, winning games...He runs with a can't-take-your-eyes-off-him style that seems part Marshall Faulk, part Barry Sanders, part Gale Sayers."


Nick Canepa, San Diego Union-Tribune:
"Bush, who runs like a witch flies, has developed into the most dangerous player in the country."


Jeff Miller, Orange County Register:
"What defenders see are hips and elbows and ankles and forearms and shoe bottoms, all of it twisting and spinning until what remains is a trail of vapor and shadows and empty-armed opponents...USC uses him to create Maalox matchups for the opposition. When Bush is positioned anywhere but the backfield, 10 defenders can be seen pointing and waving, motioning as to his whereabouts."


USC tailback LenDale White:
"He's smooth. He's got mad, crazy speed...If Reggie's not the best there is, he's one of the best. He opens this offense up so much just by being there." Former USC All-American defensive lineman Shaun Cody: "Practicing against him was great training for us. You want to improve your quickness, try chasing a rabbit around."


Former USC tight end Alex Holmes:
"When he's in, you heard linebackers screaming every time. They were all shouting about 'No. 5.' Reggie is a guy who literally changes the game just by being out there."


Former USC All-American linebacker Lofa Tatupu:
"We just sat back on Saturday and watched the show...Not to take credit away from the offensive line because they've done a great job, but Reggie sets up his blocks so well that they can miss their man completely and he still gets through...I've even told guys on the other team, 'Don't feel bad. He got me with that play twice this week in practice, too.'"


Former USC cornerback Kevin Arbet:
"He's the best player I've ever played with or against. When he's running an option route against you, you just have to guess. It's impossible."


Patrick Kinmartin, Daily Trojan:
"His combination of track-sprinter speed and music-video shiftiness makes him a one-man show."


Dan Weber, Riverside Press-Telegram:
"Bush awes his teammates daily with his ability to get to full speed on his second step."


Todd Harmonson, Orange County Register:
"Bush is a highlight-show fixture with physiology-defying, did-he-do-that moves. The easy comparison is to Marshall Faulk because of the similarity in all-around games, but those who saw Gale Sayers recognize the speed, spins and spellbinding cuts...He is a speed demon who sees Christmas morning when a linebacker tries to defend him and a winnable challenge when a quick corner draws the assignment...Off the field, Bush is a quiet leader who is on track to graduate in 3 ½ years."


Phil Collin, South Bay Daily Breeze:
"Around USC now, they're simply wondering what Reggie will come up with next. The thing is, they know it's coming. Opponents do too...As brilliant as he can be on the football field, Bush is simply that humble off of it. He smiles sheepishly at the mention of his nickname, 'The President.'"


Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."


Michael Ventre, MSNBC.com:
"Bush is young and multi-talented. He's a running back. He's a receiver. He's a kick returner. He's a punt returner. He's even a passer. If you try to pigeonhole him, you'd better have lots of pigeonholes...Bush can stop on a dime, give you nine cents change, then blow past you before you can bend to pick it up...When it comes to pure, all-around, pound-for-pound value from a college football player, it's hard to beat what Bush brings to the table...He's a genuine once-in-a-generation player...And he's a good kid-smart, down to earth, respectful of others yet supremely confident...He has turned a run-of-the-mill punt return into an event. He causes teams to kick away from him on kickoffs. When he comes into the game, defenders cast desperate looks at their sideline for advice."

As I was reading this I expected the Academy Awards acceptance speech music to come through my computer or if you prefer Chappelle, "Wrap it up G, you know what the music means."

 

[aj.]

My yahoo email account exploded into a million pieces today but it's been about 12:1 in favor of the article. Those who oppose have been extremely rude -- they think I'm the anti-christ or a UT homer or something, or they're Ags -- but it humors me ... in fact, I've spent most of the last three hours laughing my *** off at the responses. It's good 2-14 offseason therapy (or 18-46 if you're on the four year plan)

I have responded to every one of those vile and obnoxious emails I have received with the same message: I'm a University of Houston graduate who roots for the Ags when they play the 'horns, and while I may be wrong, I think Vince Young is going to be a special NFL talent, better than David Carr or Reggie Bush when they close the books on their respective careers.

Glad I could help 'facilitate' the debate

 

[Texans86]

Most of you who recognize my name know that I am against both drafting Bush or Young. Since this thread is about Young, I'll discuss Young. I am amazed at the number of people who have watched Vince Young in his college career and still think he is the ultimate quarterback. I do not deny his physical talents and many of his "intangables" that led the University of Texas to it's first National Championship in 36 years. However, many of you blanket his skills as amazing and do not list any of his flaws. Many of you have noticed that Bush only carried the ball more than 20 times twice this season, and therefore has the possibility that he might not be durable enough for the NFL. Also, he is not the type of back that will go between the tackles. Both are very good arguements to not draft Reggie Bush with the first pick. Unfortunately, I have not seen many people note any of Vince's weaknesses. If they have, they are not as prevelent as Bush's detractors. This surprises me because I respect many of the posters on this board, and realize they know more about football than I do. As a student at UT, I have had the opportunity to watch Vince regularly, and I have seen many of his superhuman heroics to win games.
Since many people have the best recollection of this past week's game, I will use examples from that game. Vince Young completed many passes this year, as shown by his NCAA leading passer efficiency rating. That is good, however many of his throws did not hit his recievers in stride, leaving them to get hit. They did get the yardage, which is great, but many of those passes could have gone for many more yards with the athleticism of his recievers. Also, Young has a little trouble throwing far downfield. He has an above average arm, and as I have seen overthrows wide open recievers. As for his scrambling ability, he is amazing once out of the pocket, and defenses do have to pay special attention to his unique combination of size and speed. As some of you may remember from the game, the announcers said that Texas had over 30 fumbles this season, but luckily recovered most of them. I realize most of them are not Young's fault, but some of them were. Once Young is outside of the pocket, and past the line of scrimage, he continues to hold the ball in his passing hand out in the open. Rarely have I seen him put the ball in his arm to hold it better, and never have I seen him actually go into a hit with both arms over the ball. Many times this season have I had to hold my breath because the ball was easily hit out of his hand, and I had to wait to see who recovered it.
I will conclude by saying Vince is an amazing athlete, but his flaws should not be overlooked. Some of them will need work when he gets to the NFL level, or he will not succeed. Finally, I do not believe that the Texans will be worse by drafting Vince Young, I just believe there are better and more efficient ways to make our team better. We're all on the same team.

 

[kbourda]

Washington State head coach Bill Doba:
"If you've got a linebacker covering him, you might as well start singing their fight song."


USC Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Matt Leinart:
"Every time Reggie touches the ball, anything can happen...He's an awesome weapon...A lot of people think he's an outside runner, but he's tough. He can run in between the tackles...When he first came to USC, he was running all over our first defense in fall camp, cutting back, reversing his field. We knew he was special. Anytime he has the ball, something big could happen. It's unbelievable what he can do."


Former USC All-American defensive end Kenechi Udeze:
"He's fun to watch. I remember his first day of practice, he must have run a circle around the whole defense and sprinted for a touchdown. Then to see it happen in the games was really funny."


Former USC All-American wide receiver Mike Williams:
"Reggie's the ultimate weapon."


Former USC center Norm Katnik:
"He's a special guy. He can shake people like no other. I almost tackled him two times myself. He has the ability to make people miss." USC athletic director and 1965 Heisman Trophy-winning tailback Mike Garrett: "He's going to be one of the best ever. He looks like another Gale Sayers."


USC head coach Pete Carroll:
"I told him, 'You're the most valuable guy on the field for what you're creating by your presence.'...The overriding element of his game is he's just got such fantastic hands. You can look at the speed and all the rest, but few guys catch the ball so well. I'm talking about anybody, not just running backs."


Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com:
"He releases adrenaline in every bloodstream the minute he touches the ball."


Gene Wojciechowski, ESPN.com:
"He's a human highlight tape."


Steve Bisheff, Orange County Register:
"Bush is definitely the most exciting player in college football. Bush with the football in an open space is like Barry Bonds at the plate with the bases loaded. Immediately, your senses heighten. Your pulse races. Your eyes refuse to look anywhere else...No one in college football has anyone like him. No one else is even close...The Trojans' flashy hummingbird of an all-purpose player is an amalgam of all the great USC backs through the years."


Steve Kelley, Seattle Times:
"Bush is one-of-a-kind. So good, so versatile, USC's coaching staff is just beginning to see all the ways he can be used. When he touches the ball, defensive coordinators hold their breath. Every play called for him can be a game-breaker. Every touch can be something you'll never forget...Bush zig-zags through defenses as if he has a sixth sense for the location of the next sliver of daylight. He cuts as sharply as a Ferrari in a chicane. He shimmies like a dancer in a music video. A football field is 53 yards wide, and there are plays where Reggie Bush seems to use every inch from sideline to sideline...'The President' is carving exquisite, artful-dodger runs through desperately grasping and gasping defenses. Re-awakening the echoes of all the great Trojan tailbacks who preceded him. Hail to the Chief."


Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline.com:
"They call him "The President." They might soon be calling him The King...He is that rare back with the speed and strength to run through the line and the ability to make defenders miss in space when he goes out for a pass...He is a symbol for what USC was, is and will be."


Randy Youngman, Orange County Register:
"Even if he got to carry or catch the ball on every down, I would never get tired of watching Reggie Bush, USC's electrifying running back. Bush has so many open-field moves, he's more elusive than 'The Fugitive.' Now you see him, now you don't...touchdown, Trojans!"


Arash Markazi, Daily Trojan:
"Reggie Bush looks like a creation from a video game-an almost unreal character created by a kid who finds all the secret codes to make his player faster, quicker and better than everyone else on the field...He always makes the impossible seem possible. The scary thing for USC's opponents is that this creation isn't imaginary. He's not from a video game. He's a living, breathing human joystick who terrorizes defenses with his blinding speed and ankle-breaking shimmies...His speed borders on blinding and his knack for eluding defenders borders on ridiculous."


Former Washington head coach Keith Gilbertson:
"I don't care what formation they're in, you better know where No. 5 is, OK? End of story."


Virginia Teach head coach Frank Beamer:
"If he could throw, he'd be Michael Vick." California head coach Jeff Tedford: "If he's not the best player in the country, he's one of the top, no question...He is so talented than any one-on-one situation, he's going to win. You have to pay attention to where he is."


Former Oregon State quarterback Derek Anderson:
"The kid is unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it, in the NFL or wherever."


Former Stanford head coach Buddy Teevens:
"You can't really stop Bush, to be perfectly honest. He's in a class by himself."


Former Stanford assistant coach Tom Williams:
"He is the most versatile player in the country and, in my opinion, he's the best player in the country."


Arizona State head coach Dirk Koetter:
"He can do it all. Every time he touches the ball, you hold your breath."


Former BYU head coach Gary Crowton:
"He's as good as any receiver on their team, and the next moment, he's running with power, makes one guy miss and he's so fast he can go the distance. He just has the ability to create lots of matchup problems without them changing personnel groups. That's a real luxury they have. It kind of reminds me of Marshall Faulk."


Colorado State head coach Sonny Lubick:
"The thing that makes him so darned good is he's such a confident young guy and he's never out of the play, no matter how bleak it looks, no matter how much you have him surrounded."


Kirk Herbstreit, ESPN:
"The most explosive player in college football is Reggie Bush. The best player in the country wears No. 5 for USC. If you get a chance, check him out. Reggie Bush...He's the most electrifying player in college football. Every time he touches the ball, he can score."


Bud Withers, Seattle Times:
"There is little doubt that Bush is the most dynamic player in the nation. He may not win the Heisman Trophy, but voters ought to think long and hard if defenders' broken ankles, Bush's gasp-inducing cuts and spinning, serpentine dashes matter."


Ted Miller, ESPN.com:
"Bush is Shakespeare. He's gifted with speedy brilliance and flourish. Bush is 200 pounds of sound and fury signifying touchdown. He doth rise from the ground like feathered Mercury striding the heavens...He resembles the elusive Gale Sayers or the versatile Marshall Faulk."


David Leon Moore, USA Today:
"Bush is basically a sworn enemy of a straight line. He's all switchbacks and zigzags, spin moves and ankle-breaking shimmies. Some people even think he is already the most entertaining, and maybe best, college football player in the country...He is a quiet sort, polite, humble, good grades, solid citizen...On a football field, he gets around like nobody else. Here, there, this sideline, that end zone, he's running, receiving, returning, making plays, scoring touchdowns, winning games...He runs with a can't-take-your-eyes-off-him style that seems part Marshall Faulk, part Barry Sanders, part Gale Sayers."


Nick Canepa, San Diego Union-Tribune:
"Bush, who runs like a witch flies, has developed into the most dangerous player in the country."


Jeff Miller, Orange County Register:
"What defenders see are hips and elbows and ankles and forearms and shoe bottoms, all of it twisting and spinning until what remains is a trail of vapor and shadows and empty-armed opponents...USC uses him to create Maalox matchups for the opposition. When Bush is positioned anywhere but the backfield, 10 defenders can be seen pointing and waving, motioning as to his whereabouts."


USC tailback LenDale White:
"He's smooth. He's got mad, crazy speed...If Reggie's not the best there is, he's one of the best. He opens this offense up so much just by being there." Former USC All-American defensive lineman Shaun Cody: "Practicing against him was great training for us. You want to improve your quickness, try chasing a rabbit around."


Former USC tight end Alex Holmes:
"When he's in, you heard linebackers screaming every time. They were all shouting about 'No. 5.' Reggie is a guy who literally changes the game just by being out there."


Former USC All-American linebacker Lofa Tatupu:
"We just sat back on Saturday and watched the show...Not to take credit away from the offensive line because they've done a great job, but Reggie sets up his blocks so well that they can miss their man completely and he still gets through...I've even told guys on the other team, 'Don't feel bad. He got me with that play twice this week in practice, too.'"


Former USC cornerback Kevin Arbet:
"He's the best player I've ever played with or against. When he's running an option route against you, you just have to guess. It's impossible."


Patrick Kinmartin, Daily Trojan:
"His combination of track-sprinter speed and music-video shiftiness makes him a one-man show."


Dan Weber, Riverside Press-Telegram:
"Bush awes his teammates daily with his ability to get to full speed on his second step."


Todd Harmonson, Orange County Register:
"Bush is a highlight-show fixture with physiology-defying, did-he-do-that moves. The easy comparison is to Marshall Faulk because of the similarity in all-around games, but those who saw Gale Sayers recognize the speed, spins and spellbinding cuts...He is a speed demon who sees Christmas morning when a linebacker tries to defend him and a winnable challenge when a quick corner draws the assignment...Off the field, Bush is a quiet leader who is on track to graduate in 3 ½ years."


Phil Collin, South Bay Daily Breeze:
"Around USC now, they're simply wondering what Reggie will come up with next. The thing is, they know it's coming. Opponents do too...As brilliant as he can be on the football field, Bush is simply that humble off of it. He smiles sheepishly at the mention of his nickname, 'The President.'"


Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."


Michael Ventre, MSNBC.com:
"Bush is young and multi-talented. He's a running back. He's a receiver. He's a kick returner. He's a punt returner. He's even a passer. If you try to pigeonhole him, you'd better have lots of pigeonholes...Bush can stop on a dime, give you nine cents change, then blow past you before you can bend to pick it up...When it comes to pure, all-around, pound-for-pound value from a college football player, it's hard to beat what Bush brings to the table...He's a genuine once-in-a-generation player...And he's a good kid-smart, down to earth, respectful of others yet supremely confident...He has turned a run-of-the-mill punt return into an event. He causes teams to kick away from him on kickoffs. When he comes into the game, defenders cast desperate looks at their sideline for advice."

All this praise and yet he wasn't on the field to get the greatest team of all time 2 yards to seal the deal for a Rose Bowl win. Nuff said!

 

[kbourda]

Unfortunately, so Does Carr...!

LMAO

 

[Hookem Horns]

So you like the flavor of 18-46? Hmm Interesting, are you part of Casserly's camp?

Ok, next season look forward to being 18-62..

Maybe he thinks 18-46 is ok just as long as we "play well".