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Vince Young

David's Busted Carr

David's Busted Carr

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I really think with our first pick we need a DIFFERENCE maker on OFFENSE. If for some reason we don't get Bush (either don't get the #1 pick or trade down). What do you guys think about drafting Vince Young to replace Carr?

Since we are going to have to rebuild, we may as well start from the ground up. Vince would give our offense another dimension and would take pressure off our Oline with his running ability. And don't tell me he can't pass at least as well as Carr. Carr rarely completes any downfield passes.

Decline Carr's option, let him go start fresh somewhere else and hand the reins to Vince. He's a hometown kid so would put fans in the seats and he's very exciting to watch. You have Vince, DD, AJ, & draft a solid TE and that's a formidable offense! Better than what Atlanta has with Vick and look how they win every year.

I think we could trade our #1 or #2 pick back to 7-8 and draft Vince while picking up 3-4 extra picks in the process. Not a bad deal!!! This of course all hinges on Vince coming out, but if the Texans expressed interest I bet he would...
 
Drafting Young and releasing Carr would set our team back another 4 years. Young is not that much better of a runner than Carr is and Carr has a much stronger arm. Having a scrambling QB doesn't necessarily take pressure off the OLine, sometimes it probably actually adds to it. If you have a pocket passer, the OL knows he will stay in the pocket and deliver the ball, so all the OLine has to worry about is creating that pocket. If they have a running QB like Michael Vick, then the OLine has to worry about him getting jittery in the pocket and dancing around everywhere and the Line will have a hard time knowing where the QB will be and trying to stave off the pass rushers. As much as the "we must draft Reggie" parade had gotten out of control, it was nice not having to hear Vince's name in the last month in reference to wearing a Texans jersey.
 
MorKnolle said:
Young is not that much better of a runner than Carr is and Carr has a much stronger arm.
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Ridiculous sentence of the year. Carr has zero running back skills. Young as a runner is in a totally different class of player and it is silly to think they are even remotely similar when it comes to running the ball. I'll agree with the balance of your other point that states that running QB's don't equate to a team having less sacks.

I'd love for us to have the balls to draft Young. I'm not sure McNair and this org has them though.
 
I love VY in burnt Orange and dislike Carr in Liberty Blue. But at this point in time I would not do a switcheroo. VY has progressed leaps and bounds this year as a signal caller and passer. But our need is elsewhere and VY could use one more year in school (admittedly this may be part UT homer). Early on in the year I thought VY was an early second round selection, but I would put him in the middle of the first right now - pending interviews, mental/physical tests, background checks etc.
 
If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it. He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
 
I think VY needs to go back to UT one more year. If he does that, and continues to polish his game, he may be picked #1 overall next year. This year, he could be anywhere from around 5 to 15 imo. He has the skills, but just needs more polish and work on his passing fundemantels. I sure as heck wouldn't mind seeing him in steel blue. :drool:
 
Vinny said:
If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it. He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
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I can dream can't I:
Pick up two year option on Carr and send him and our #1 to the Raiders for their #1 and Gallery and take VY.
 
Porky said:
I think VY needs to go back to UT one more year. If he does that, and continues to polish his game, he may be picked #1 overall next year. This year, he could be anywhere from around 5 to 15 imo. He has the skills, but just needs more polish and work on his passing fundemantels. I sure as heck wouldn't mind seeing him in steel blue. :drool:
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Young led the Nation in passer rating this year....can he ever top that again? How does a QB with bad fundamentals lead the nation in passer rating? Kyle Boller has great mechanics and a beautiful delivery but can't hit the broad side of a barn....but Young leads the nation in passer rating with an unconventional delivery but he needs help with his passes?
 
Vinny said:
If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it.
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If he comes out you are probably right, however stay in UT & be like a God one more year then the 1st pick in the 07 draft, possibly with a pair of national championships + heismen.

Vinny said:
He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
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Vince Young will be a much better known prospect than Steve McNair was, but at the time that was a great pick by the Houston Oilers:)
 
beerlover said:
If he comes out you are probably right, however stay in UT & be like a God one more year then the 1st pick in the 07 draft, possibly with a pair of national championships + heismen.
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or he could tear his acl and have to rehab for two years for a full recovery. If all he needed was one year to work with good QB coaches the NFL is the place for that...not UT. They are the ones who changed his delivery to the semi-side arm style.
 
beerlover said:
Vince Young will be a much better known prospect than Steve McNair was, but at the time that was a great pick by the Houston Oilers:)
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McNair was pretty well known then and was a top 5-10 consensus player...

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And here is some more food for thought. IF Reeves makes the decision or has heavy influence in making the decision, he is the guy he drafted Mike Vick while he was in Atlanta!
 
Vinny said:
or he could tear his acl and have to rehab for two years for a full recovery. If all he needed was one year to work with good QB coaches the NFL is the place for that...not UT. They are the ones who changed his delivery to the semi-side arm style.
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the NFL? like the Houston Texans? they have really developed David Carr & transformed his semi-side arm style & kept him from not taken a beating:brickwall

however I do believe that if Vince Young where to come out this year he might be drafted into a better situation & not one of the worst teams in the NFL. the Arizona Cardinals for instance (the Texans opponent this week) would be an excellent fit with two outstanding WR's, Kurt Warner as mentor & that crisp desert air I could see Vince turn that team into a playoff contender next year:cool:
 
Why does everyone think that Young will change his mechanics just because he stays in College? What makes anyone think that Texas even wants to change them? Why does he have to change them anyway? He was the highest rated passer in the NCAA's with this style this season. Most of the guys he was rated higher than probably have a beautiful prototype overhand delivery. Bernie Kosar was shorter than Young and had more success than Carr does with his side arm style. I'd love to bring him in and bring him along slowly like McNair was with the Oilers.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit ditches Harrington and fights for Young if he declares for the draft. That way, Roy and Vince can reunite without Chance Mock screwing things up ... lol. So much talent on the offensive side of the ball there being wasted with a 2-man slingshot under center. Hey, that sounds familiar ...
 
JackDizzle said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit ditches Harrington and fights for Young if he declares for the draft. That way, Roy and Vince can reunite without Chance Mock screwing things up ... lol. So much talent on the offensive side of the ball there being wasted with a 2-man slingshot under center. Hey, that sounds familiar ...
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Not that VY has control over it, but do you think he wants to be reunited with an extremely talented receiver that still refuses to finish and sell routes and is allergic to blocking? UT got better when Williams left.
 
Vinny said:
They are the ones who changed his delivery to the semi-side arm style.
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Vince has thrown side-arm since high school. It's just gotten progressively worse because he hasn't devoted the amount of time and attention it would take to correct it.

While it's true he led the country in passing effienciency, he's still not an accurate passer even though he's close to being "good enough". I wouldn't bother with trying to change his delivery because I know it'd be a lost cause (see: David Carr after 4 years in the league). QB's will throw however feels natural to them. No amount of coaching will change that.

But if he did learn to throw over the top, it'd be scary. His accuracy as well as velocity would improve by leaps and bounds.
 
Andre Ware talks about how the Longhorns have changed his delivery every time he speaks about it and I have seen it in other places as well.
 
They tried to change his delivery to one that's over the top. Several Spring practice reports from the past two years mentioned this (from Rivals.com).
 
First of all, forget about Young being in this year's draft. He has a heisman and a national championship (if not a 2nd) to win next year. So forget about Young unless you want to throw next year away as well (which nobody wants).
 
metalmike said:
First of all, forget about Young being in this year's draft. He has a heisman and a national championship (if not a 2nd) to win next year. So forget about Young unless you want to throw next year away as well (which nobody wants).
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All the whispers I am hearing is that he will come out if his draft slot is acceptable.
 
Plus, how many more wins would we have this year with Young? 2 maybe 3 at the most. We need a lot more than a good QB. We have a decent QB already. What can you do with a 7th grade o-line?
 
metalmike said:
Where did you hear this from?
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He is spinning his earlier statement that he is DEFINITELY coming back...

Many places, but here is one:

Vince going Pro?

AUSTIN -- Texas quarterback Vince Young sounds like someone who hasn’t made up his mind about whether to return to UT for his final year of eligibility.

When asked Wednesday if the outcome of the Bowl Championship Series national title game at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 4 against USC could impact his decision regarding next year, Young said, “Somewhat.”

“I haven’t gotten any word yet from the NFL guys about how they feel about me, so that’s why I say my decision is basically to come back and be with my teammates,” Young said.
 
metalmike said:
Plus, how many more wins would we have this year with Young? 2 maybe 3 at the most. We need a lot more than a good QB. We have a decent QB already.
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I will say this you are right. We need a leader and I would argue that VY is a leader where as DC is not.
 
Vinny said:
Ridiculous sentence of the year. Carr has zero running back skills. Young as a runner is in a totally different class of player and it is silly to think they are even remotely similar when it comes to running the ball. .
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Imagine those two running a 40 yard dash

Vinny said:
I'd love for us to have the balls to draft Young. I'm not sure McNair and this org has them though.
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I hope Bob has balls of steel
 
I doubt Vince and David's 40 yard times are very different at all, Vince is probably a little faster but not much.
 
Maybe David Carr has been manhandled since he got here and not been allowed to develope as a leader. He can only audible to a run? Not to say I wouldn't like to see a backfield with Reggie Bush, Vince Young, DD, AJ, and maybe Randle El. You would have two or three options to run the ball, three or four options to catch the ball, and two or three options to throw the ball. One play you could line Vince up at Qb, next it could be El and vince could shoot out to WR or RB. Talk about confusing the Def. You could improve your options by having players that are not type cast into one position. This would be assuming Bush this year, Young somehow next year, and trade/free agent El.
 
Vinny said:
If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it. He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
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Completely disagree. McNair was a deadly accurate thrower with great running abilities not far behind young. People seem to forget that McNair was a finalist for the heisman, and he was a 1-AA player.

I watched him many times in college, and once live, and he was a far more polished pro QB than Young is.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
Completely disagree. McNair was a deadly accurate thrower with great running abilities not far behind young. People seem to forget that McNair was a finalist for the heisman, and he was a 1-AA player.

I watched him many times in college, and once live, and he was a far more polished pro QB than Young is.
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Are 1-AA players eligible for Heisman?
 
Vince needs to hang one more year and work on that release -- however if he has a monster NCG (and a win) look for him to turn pro.
 
Vince Young is a great prospect for the 2007 draft, but I doubt if he goes out this year. Mack Brown has an uncanny ability for keeping players for their final year of eligibility. About his passing, he has a strong arm, but he is somewhat inaccurate past after 20-30 yards. Some of you will point to his game winning pass in the Ohio State game, but that was more a great catch than a great throw. He is amazingly fast, even though his 6'5" frame makes him look a lot slower than he is. His passer rating was high this year because he was able to make short passes and have the receivers break out for major yardage. Also, the University has arguably the best OL in college football, which obviously helps the quarterback. Also, the triple threat of Selvin Young, Ramonce Taylor and Jamaal Charles helped take pressure off of Young. Another positive on Young is that Texas often operates out of the shotgun, so he does not have to get used to that in the NFL. I do think one more year in the college ranks will not only improve his skills, but he will probably end up with a better draft position (Quarterbacks routinely go first, except for this year), and he might even get a Heisman if he repeats this year's performance.
 
MorKnolle said:
Drafting Young and releasing Carr would set our team back another 4 years. Young is not that much better of a runner than Carr is and Carr has a much stronger arm. Having a scrambling QB doesn't necessarily take pressure off the OLine, sometimes it probably actually adds to it. If you have a pocket passer, the OL knows he will stay in the pocket and deliver the ball, so all the OLine has to worry about is creating that pocket. If they have a running QB like Michael Vick, then the OLine has to worry about him getting jittery in the pocket and dancing around everywhere and the Line will have a hard time knowing where the QB will be and trying to stave off the pass rushers. As much as the "we must draft Reggie" parade had gotten out of control, it was nice not having to hear Vince's name in the last month in reference to wearing a Texans jersey.
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we know how well the falcons do with their athletic QB known as Michael Vick.
 
Another year in college is not going to do anything for him. The argument how he's "not ready for the NFL" is used way too much. Well no kidding he's not ready for the NFL. Neither was Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning and every other QB that was taken first overall (or even drafted). Need proof? Look at their QB stats from their rookie seasons. That alone tells you they weren't ready for the NFL. But you know what? There's nothing they could've done about it. Peyton Manning could've spent 7 years in college and he still wouldn't have been ready. The jump from college to that level at that position is too difficult to prepare for in college. The only thing that is going to get you "ready for the NFL" is being in the NFL.

Another year at Texas is not going to improve his accuracy or his mechanics (they are what they are). It's not going to improve his ability to read defenses because those aren't the defenses he's going to see at the next level.

There are three reasons to stay in school:

1. You want to.
2. You want to finish your degree.
3. Improve your draft position.

I can see how he'd want to stay. Austin is an awesome place to be especially if you're the BMOC. If Texas loses to USC, then he still would have something to play for next year.

But I don't see him improving his draft stock much. Some think he'd easily be a top 10 pick this year. It's pretty tough to improve when you're already that high. Would he still be a top 10 pick next year? That's a roll of the dice. Jamaal Brimmer (SS, UNLV) could've come out two years ago as a Jr. and would've probably gone in the top 3 rounds. Instead, he came back for his Sr. season and ended up not being drafted at all.

All that said, as a Texas fan, I hope he comes back. If he leaves because they beat USC and he's got nothing left to accomplish, then I can live with that.
 
texplayer2 said:
Andre Ware played for the Coogs. Sometimes they play like 1AA, but they are not.
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Kansas was an uneven match for Coogie High. Grambling would of been a better match up for UH:redtowel:
 
MorKnolle said:
I doubt Vince and David's 40 yard times are very different at all, Vince is probably a little faster but not much.
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are u serious? that is the carziest thing iv'e heard in a while
 
That is pretty much what I thought. Vince is a fast runner, but he doesn't have world class speed.
 
It's not his speed that makes him an effective runner...like most runners that are effective.
 
Huge said:
It's not his speed that makes him an effective runner...like most runners that are effective.
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He has REAL good speed about loww 4.4s IMO, but it's his balance, strength and elusivness that makes him such a good runner.
 
edo783 said:
He has REAL good speed about loww 4.4s IMO, but it's his balance, strength and elusivness that makes him such a good runner.
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yeah he has a great ability to have tacklers just slide right off him.


can you seriously think of someone that ran like him? we can compare reggie bush to gale sayers and what not. but vince doesnt really have a comparison from the past.
 
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