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Vince young

OK, how many open receivers has Vince Young completely missed?

Vince is a great player right now, but it is foolish to believe that he is ready for the NFL. He is still very raw at the quarterback position and needs one more year in college and a few more sitting behind a quarterback in the NFL. I'm sorry that a lot of you Texas fans can't admit that Vince Young has some flaws, but the truth is that he needs more time. His running abilities won't get him far in the NFL because there are defenders who are just as big and just as fast as him.
 
tulexan said:
OK, how many open receivers has Vince Young completely missed?

Vince is a great player right now, but it is foolish to believe that he is ready for the NFL. He is still very raw at the quarterback position and needs one more year in college and a few more sitting behind a quarterback in the NFL. I'm sorry that a lot of you Texas fans can't admit that Vince Young has some flaws, but the truth is that he needs more time. His running abilities won't get him far in the NFL because there are defenders who are just as big and just as fast as him.
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I'll state it again...I'm not a Texas fan. I'm just a football fan.
 
How come then I never hear anything about Brian Brohm who is supposed to be a better NFL quarterback than Vince Young?
 
Because he's playing for Louisville.

And my plan of not hyping him so that Dallas can be in position to draft him has been working great so far. :D

If he comes out next year, it would not surprise me in the least to see him go ahead of Vince.
 
tulexan said:
How come then I never hear anything about Brian Brohm who is supposed to be a better NFL quarterback than Vince Young?
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PM Porky...I was talking him up the other day in instant messages. Also, probably because he is a Soph.
 
tulexan said:
I think Vince Young is a great player just needs a few years before he will be a quality NFL quarterback.

How many times do I need to say this?
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you have two choices really.

1). build a system & team around him

2). draft him into an existing system that fits his style

as long as a team follows those two simple rules there is no reason Vince Young cannot be a winner at the next level. off the top of my head a viable situtation might be the Detroit Lions. they have some elite playmakers at WR a good young RB and a west coast, playaction scheme that fits his style (@ QB). right now if you put him on that team I feel he would be a difference maker , I know I would pay MONEY to see it :pigfly:
 
tulexan said:
Yeah but the Lions will never draft him. They only pick players they don't need.
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they also have a WR fetish, which most scouts still think Vince Young will be once he gets to the NFL :rolleyes:
 
That would be funny. I can just see it. The Lions drafting Vince Young as a WR so that they have 4 big receivers and no QB.
 
All of you naysayers are amazing to me. Bob Griese a man who PLAYED pro quarterback said VY is just too good to be playing in college and will be a good NFL qb.

I agree he needs one more year of seasoning at the college level but for those who think he should be converted to another positoin. GET HELP.

I'll take a hall of fame qb opinion over hall of fame couch potatoes anyday.
 
tulexan said:
Bob Griese also probably said the same thing about his son Brian.
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At least he doesn't go around hating on players due to the School they dislike.....like a few here in this thread.
 
Realistic = Poor mechanics so he'll be a WR?

Maybe he should've asked all those former Tulane QBs (Shaun King, Patrick Ramsey, JP Losman) what it takes to be a good NFL QB.

Now that's hating. :)
 
beerlover said:
you have two choices really.

1). build a system & team around him

2). draft him into an existing system that fits his style

as long as a team follows those two simple rules there is no reason Vince Young cannot be a winner at the next level. off the top of my head a viable situtation might be the Detroit Lions. they have some elite playmakers at WR a good young RB and a west coast, playaction scheme that fits his style (@ QB). right now if you put him on that team I feel he would be a difference maker , I know I would pay MONEY to see it :pigfly:
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I've thought about this a lot and the team I could see him going to is......

The Tennessee Titans.

Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! The horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Steve McNair and his family have treated him like he is a part of it. See e.g.:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050619/SPORTS01/506190398/1027

McNair isn't getting any younger and his body has taken a beating. He could continue his mentoring and whatnot.

AND, it may be that this year or next, but the Titans could be in the right draft position to take him.

Other teams I could see getting him are: Saints, Jets, Ravens, Cardinals or shudder, the Raiders.

Al Davis probably completely covets VY. Unconventional and fast.

If he isn't a Texans player, I hope he plays for the Jets. AFC and all, but a good situation for him and not in our freaking division. He could blow up the NY market and be huge if he could handle the pressure of it.

In sum......

Vince

Young

should NEVER

wear

the baby puke blue

and

the ugly flying meatball

EVER!!!!!!

seriously

it would be wrong.
 
Huge said:
Realistic = Poor mechanics so he'll be a WR?

Maybe he should've asked all those former Tulane QBs (Shaun King, Patrick Ramsey, JP Losman) what it takes to be a good NFL QB.

Now that's hating. :)
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Give JP some time and Patrick a chance and both could become good players.
 
Vince Young is putting a whippin' on Kansas who has had a decent defense this year. Not good by any means but decent. Young is 8 for 11 with 194 yards passing and 3 tds. Right now the score is 42-0 with 10:00 left in the second quarter. Now you can't say that isn't a heck of a qb or team.
 
Vince Young is unstoppable today!!! What a game he's having! Here comes no.1 draft pick for Mr.Young. What else has he left to accomplish by staying at UT? Either way this guy is the best college football player I've ever seen.
 
He says he is coming back, but he might just be saying that to keep the media away from stirring up things for him and the coaches. Win the heisman, and national championship...what else is there to accomplish? Having a chance to be drafted # 1 overall and play for your hometown NFL team. :texflag:
 
Nawzer said:
Vince Young is unstoppable today!!! What a game he's having! Here comes no.1 draft pick for Mr.Young. What else has he left to accomplish by staying at UT? Either way this guy is the best college football player I've ever seen.
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You don't watch much college football do you?

1 good/great game does not make it... He is playing against COLLEGE players, not pro defenses. Come on, give us a break....
 
It doesn't matter who the #1 pick in the draft is/will be. They're playing against college players as well.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
You don't watch much college football do you?

1 good/great game does not make it... He is playing against COLLEGE players, not pro defenses. Come on, give us a break....
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I hope Young stays in school for one more year just to improve his passing which I agree is not great. There are a lot of times he throws a ball up for grabs and his recievers make the play. However, I can't recall a quarterback who has more poise than Young has had this year. He is the most confident player I have seen in a long time.

I'm still not sure how his abilities will translate to the NFL but you can't argue with the results he puts up. I agree that one game does not make it, but he has put up great numbers all year. Yes he plays on a great team but he is still the driving force on the offence that is one of the highest scoring in the NCAA. Again, yes he is playing against COLLEGE players but so are Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart. I'm not going to say lets draft him and he will save our team but don't put down the quality of his play...yet. :)
 
He did have some game yesterday, but it was an example of exactly what I was saying and the announcers actually said the same thing. He cannot continue to just throw the ball up and hope that his receiver gets it. He will get killed in the NFL if he does that. That is why he needs one more year at college so that he stops throwing that jump ball all the time.
 
Single coverage and a big arm....you throw that pass. Young changes the way defenses cover their wide outs (deep single - no help)...you have to make those passes. It's amazing you guys are critical of a guy who leads his team to a 50-0 halftime lead. If it was 100-0 at the half you guys would pick him apart. Hilarious insight guys.
 
I think it is hilarious how you blindly follow his every move. It's not just me and a few other guys criticizing poor Vince Young. If you throw that many jump balls you are going to get intercepted. The announcers in the game were even saying that he has been getting lucky making those passes. Just because the guy is from Houston and goes to Texas does not mean that he is perfect. This reminds me of when everyone was going nuts about Gerald Green and how he was going to be the best player in the NBA draft last year.
 
tulexan said:
I think it is hilarious how you blindly follow his every move.
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I was this enthustic about Rothlisberger his sr year too but you haven't been around for 5 years like I have and if you knew be better you would know Im not a homer fan type. I'm just a big football fan who talks up the guys I think will be amazing. I don't worship players or just follow them because they play at Tulane or anything. Sure, I've seen a ton of VY...but if he was in Wisconson I'd be pimping this future superstar.
 
Funny I don't believe I have gone out of my way to worship a Tulane player. I have commented on them if someone says something about them because I probably have had more exposure to their game, but that is about it.

You are going beyond pimping Vince Young. You can't even admit that some of the stuff that he does is boneheaded. If he threw an interception in the redzone you would probably say that it was a smart move because now they have bad field position. No one is denying that Vince is a great college player and I don't think anyone here is saying that he has zero chance of being a star in the NFL. Almost everyone is simply saying that he is still very raw and needs a lot of time (including one more year in college) before he can be successful.

If you are truly rational like you claim. Where is the love for Brady Quinn who has better numbers and is playing in a pro style offense? How about Drew Olsen who is putting up a ridiculous 10:1 TD-INT ratio including a 500 yard game last night? There is none because the fact that Vince is from Houston and goes to Texas is like wool over your eyes that prevents you from seeing any imperfection that he has.
 
No kidding some people think he will be average....or good, or even bad, but I obviously think he will be something special. I can't just transfer my thoughts via my psychic abilities....I have to post those thoughts for you to read them, so try to forgive me for talking up someone who I think may be a once in a lifetime talent. On Quinn, he isn't coming out and there is a chance that Young may so I tend to talk about the guys coming into the league this year (I named this forum the future stars of the NFL...so I just tend to talk about the guys who are coming out or have a good chance too come out in the current season more - I'm a big NFL fan in case you missed the memo). Besides, I don't see anyone else who changes the way defenses play in many players....I think he is special. I also think I am rational and have a long history of giving good football takes. I don't think many people will accuse me of being a homer...or have much bias on my favorite teams or local kids.
 
Vince Young has that Jeff Blake ability to lob the ball up for his WR and give them the chance to make a play. This is something that I wish David Carr would be able to do with AJ.
 
What's the difference between a deep ball and a jump ball? Or can you give an example of one of his passes that didn't cover 30+ yards that could be described as a jump ball?
 
Peldon said:
I hope Young stays in school for one more year just to improve his passing which I agree is not great. There are a lot of times he throws a ball up for grabs and his recievers make the play. However, I can't recall a quarterback who has more poise than Young has had this year. He is the most confident player I have seen in a long time.

I'm still not sure how his abilities will translate to the NFL but you can't argue with the results he puts up. I agree that one game does not make it, but he has put up great numbers all year. Yes he plays on a great team but he is still the driving force on the offence that is one of the highest scoring in the NCAA. Again, yes he is playing against COLLEGE players but so are Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart. I'm not going to say lets draft him and he will save our team but don't put down the quality of his play...yet. :)
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Since we all saw him throw the ball up for grabs and his receivers came down with them, maybe we should think about drafting those receivers instead of someone slinging the ball up in the air...
 
Huge said:
What's the difference between a deep ball and a jump ball? Or can you give an example of one of his passes that didn't cover 30+ yards that could be described as a jump ball?
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The difference between a jump ball and a deep ball is hitting your man in stride. Vince has hit people in stride, but he tends more to throw these balls where the receiver has to stop and out jump the defender to catch the ball. I know Culpeper has a history of throwing jump balls to Randy Moss in the endzone, but Vince Young does not have a freak like Randy Moss on the team, and Vince also throws these passes in the middle of the field rather than just the endzone.
 
Every QB throws passes that fit the description you just laid out. Put in a game tape of Eli Manning this year and watch how many passes Plaxico Burress has caught in this fashion. Young's pass to Sweed might've been the only one that fits that description (although how stupid would it be not to throw to a 6'5 WR that's being single covered by a 5'10 DB?). His bomb to Cosby was nothing close to resembling what you described.

So one pass out of 27 is "continually throwing jump balls"?
 
Once again, every QB throws passes like this. Brad Johnson just threw one to Travis Taylor against New York (TD nulified by offensive pass interference). Vince is no more "notorious" for doing this than any other QB on any other level.

Can you give me an example of a QB that doesn't throw these types of passes?
 
Vince Young saw the biggest mismatch on the field: A 5'10" CB with no help on a 6'5" WR who can jump.

I dont see how you can rip him for that pass.
 
Brad Johnson threw that pass in the endzone. Vince Young throws the floaters all over the field. When you throw a bomb, you should be throwing it to the receiver in stride. The receiver should not have to stop, turn around, and wait for the ball to come down while fighting with the corner back. Watch Peyton Manning throw deep balls.
 
Fiddy said:
Vince Young saw the biggest mismatch on the field: A 5'10" CB with no help on a 6'5" WR who can jump.

I dont see how you can rip him for that pass.
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I was talking about a different pass.
 
Fiddy said:
Well that pass is a "floater" that resulted in TD.
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I think he is talking about the pass to Quan Cosby where he was interfered with and still got the touchdown. That ball was thrown up for grabs but the reciever acutally had a better chance to catch it if you look close.
 
Peldon said:
I think he is talking about the pass to Quan Cosby where he was interfered with and still got the touchdown. That ball was thrown up for grabs but the reciever acutally had a better chance to catch it if you look close.
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Vince Young goes into most games knowing that he plays for the 2nd best team in the country which means that his WRs are most likey better than the opposing teams CBs. Why not throw "floaters" to the WRs who are superior than the CBs???
 
Fiddy said:
Vince Young goes into most games knowing that he plays for the 2nd best team in the country which means that his WRs are most likey better than the opposing teams CBs. Why not throw "floaters" to the WRs who are superior than the CBs???
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I agree, he can get away with it no problem right now. However, I would like to see him stay in school one more year, and show everyone that he can make the tough, accurate passes. I think he could be a great NFL qb eventually but right now he hasn't shown me the kind of accuracy and zip on some of his passes that I, personally, would like to see. If he does come out and plays right away, I won't be suprised if he doesn't pan out to what some think he will.
 
tulexan said:
Brad Johnson threw that pass in the endzone. Vince Young throws the floaters all over the field. When you throw a bomb, you should be throwing it to the receiver in stride. The receiver should not have to stop, turn around, and wait for the ball to come down while fighting with the corner back. Watch Peyton Manning throw deep balls.
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If Vince throws floaters all over the field, it should be no problem for you to provide an example from yesterday's game.

If you think Peyton Manning doesn't throw these types of passes, you're delusional. If you think Vince only throws these types of passes and he's exclusive, you're in denial.

BTW, JP Losman tossed a TD today...it was a jump ball.

tulexan said:
I was talking about a different pass.
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Which pass were you referring to?

Peldon said:
I think he is talking about the pass to Quan Cosby where he was interfered with and still got the touchdown. That ball was thrown up for grabs but the reciever acutally had a better chance to catch it if you look close.
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I really hope he's not referring to that pass.
 
Bullpen Drew said:
I can't think of a star QB who came out of college recently and is doing good in the NFL....drafting a star qb is risky.....
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Carson Palmer is finally living up to his hype.
 
Fiddy said:
Vince Young saw the biggest mismatch on the field: A 5'10" CB with no help on a 6'5" WR who can jump.

I dont see how you can rip him for that pass.
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I don't fault him for the decision at all cause I would have done the same, although the pass was badly underthrown and offensive interference could have been called as well on one of them.
 
Mork Mork Mork you continously bring the meat to these poor hungry UT HOMERS. They feel VY is the second coming of whoever they consider the best QB before young. he can lead any team at any level to the promise land and we should respect their view. No matter how assinine and foolish it is. Hell I think Winston will play better than Ferguson in the NFL. I doubt that Ferguson can keep his weight up and will suffer injuries due to that fact. But I like kids from the U with chips on their shoulder and mean streaks. i could be wrong also.

VY will be good, but padding your stats on Kansas so you look like a good passer is pathetic.
 
Huge said:
I didn't forget. You were listing the teams that Texas beat. Miami doesn't classify as a team VT has beaten (or even come close to beating).
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I was comparing all of UT and VT's schedules, not just the teams they beat.

Huge said:
Kansas has a really good defense as well (ranked 5th nationally). Think anybody's going to give extra credit to Texas after they wipe the floor with the Jayhawks this afternoon? No, because they're a 5-4 team.
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How is Kansas' defense ranked 5th nationally? Even before playing UT they were allowing 18.2 points per game which is no where near 5th nationally. The top few defenses are Miami, Virginia Tech, and Auburn.
 
MorKnolle said:
How is Kansas' defense ranked 5th nationally? Even before playing UT they were allowing 18.2 points per game which is no where near 5th nationally.
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They were holding teams to 64 yards rushing per game, #1 run D in the country. Now, UT showed them to be a fraud, but its still hard to allow only 64 ypg for that long.
 
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