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Vince young

First off all you Longhorn fans can go jump in a lake(preferably the Lake of Fire in Hell) But other than my hatred for UT I must say that Vince Young is a great college player. He will be a good NFL player. Think Randall Cunningham. A guy with a terrible throwing motion who was never very accurate and a pretty big arm. He can run around and get extra yards with his feet, but he is not gonna take to many to the house from 40+ yards out like he does in college. I doubt he will have many 20+ yard gains in the NFL. After a year in the right system Vince will be good and his personality will make him a crowd favorite. He is not the next coming of Elway or Montana sorry UT Fans get off the guys jock.
 
Coach C. said:
First off all you Longhorn fans can go jump in a lake(preferably the Lake of Fire in Hell) But other than my hatred for UT I must say that Vince Young is a great college player. He will be a good NFL player. Think Randall Cunningham. A guy with a terrible throwing motion who was never very accurate and a pretty big arm. He can run around and get extra yards with his feet, but he is not gonna take to many to the house from 40+ yards out like he does in college. I doubt he will have many 20+ yard gains in the NFL. After a year in the right system Vince will be good and his personality will make him a crowd favorite. He is not the next coming of Elway or Montana sorry UT Fans get off the guys jock.
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Bitter much?

Guess it's not a good time for those that don't like Texas. And yes, we like it that way.
 
The Longhorns are the only football team that will bring the state of Texas a championship any time soon. So sorry, Cowgirl fans!
 
I'd be more than willing to sacrifice a Super Bowl for Dallas if it meant Texas wins the MNC. We've got 5. We can wait for the 6th.
 
Huge said:
On whose behalf are you speaking? Certainly not this Longhorn fan.
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You are the first UT fan that I have ever heard that liked Simms over Applewhite. Simms was and is worse than David Carr. Anyways not talking smack, just your the first guy I've heard say that. Can't wait till UT stomps a muddhole in USC to shut all these Texas haters up!!!
 
Coach C. said:
First off all you Longhorn fans can go jump in a lake(preferably the Lake of Fire in Hell) But other than my hatred for UT I must say that Vince Young is a great college player. He will be a good NFL player. Think Randall Cunningham. A guy with a terrible throwing motion who was never very accurate and a pretty big arm. He can run around and get extra yards with his feet, but he is not gonna take to many to the house from 40+ yards out like he does in college. I doubt he will have many 20+ yard gains in the NFL. After a year in the right system Vince will be good and his personality will make him a crowd favorite. He is not the next coming of Elway or Montana sorry UT Fans get off the guys jock.
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Ok your either an Aggie which I won't even comment on (you wouldn't understand) or your a sooner, the most overrated team in the last 5 to 6 years. whatever last time I checked my team was undefeated
 
metalmike said:
You are the first UT fan that I have ever heard that liked Simms over Applewhite. Simms was and is worse than David Carr. Anyways not talking smack, just your the first guy I've heard say that. Can't wait till UT stomps a muddhole in USC to shut all these Texas haters up!!!
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There are a ton of Texas fans on their Rivals website that share my view. 'Course, there are others that look at it the other way as well. :)

I think the reason Simms got the bad rap was because he was expected to play much better than he did. He still performed every bit as well as Applewhite (in many ways better) but it was perceived as him not reaching his potential because it was pretty obvious his ceiling was much higher than Applewhite's. Major, on the other hand, was viewed as the classic underdog that played above his abilities and the crowds loved him for it.

Basically one was a Ferrari, the other was a Mustang but both performed like a Corvette. :D

But you won't find a better ambassador for Texas than Simms. His teammates loved playing for him. The Big 3 (Roy, BJ and Sloan) committed to Texas because of Simms (there are exact quotes on this somewhere).

I'm just glad we had both. They each had their moments and it was fun to watch.
 
I'd like to go on record as saying USC will win by at least 21 if UT even makes it to the national championship.
 
MorKnolle said:
I'd like to go on record as saying USC will win by at least 21 if UT even makes it to the national championship.
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OK, I've got you down.

Soooo, you think UT will lose to Kansas, A&M, or Colorado in the next 3 games?

Do you think USC's defense is better than UT's?

Just want to make sure we have it all on record. :)
 
Htown34s said:
Do you think USC's defense is better than UT's?

:)
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I don't think UT's defense is that much better than USC's offense. If you watched the Championship game last year, the same team is still playing offense at USC. Oklahoma had a good defense and SC put 55 on the board. It would be better to compare these two teams like this because the defenses don't play each other. As far as the match-up of Texas offense against SC defense look at the game against ND. I think Texas will need to score 45 pts. to win with almost no turnovers,and lots of time of possesion. USC is cappable of scoring 55-60 in that ball game. Texas's D hasn't faced an offense of this caliber this year. It will be a good game. I don't see any Muddholes.
 
Htown34s said:
OK, I've got you down.

Soooo, you think UT will lose to Kansas, A&M, or Colorado in the next 3 games?

Do you think USC's defense is better than UT's?

Just want to make sure we have it all on record. :)
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Colorado could be a tough game for UT, but they will probably make it through the season undefeated. I don't think they are the second best team in the country, I think Miami and Virginia Tech are both better, but unfortunately they play a much tougher schedule and each have one loss.

USC's defense is about the same as UT's, but their offense is much better. USC's defense should be able to contain UT's offense, but UT will not be able to stop USC. Miami or VTech would have a chance at stopping USC, but not UT.
 
MorKnolle said:
Colorado could be a tough game for UT, but they will probably make it through the season undefeated. I don't think they are the second best team in the country, I think Miami and Virginia Tech are both better, but unfortunately they play a much tougher schedule and each have one loss.

USC's defense is about the same as UT's, but their offense is much better. USC's defense should be able to contain UT's offense, but UT will not be able to stop USC. Miami or VTech would have a chance at stopping USC, but not UT.
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Man, not trying to start anything, but I disagree with everything you just said.

UT's D is #6 in the country. USC's is 41st.

USC's O is #1 while UT's is 4th. ...and VT's is 62nd! Miami is 65th.


Its amazing how everyone feeds off of what they are fed by the media. UT has been #1 in the BCS computer strength of schedule for weeks.
 
MorKnolle said:
USC's defense is about the same as UT's, but their offense is much better. USC's defense should be able to contain UT's offense, but UT will not be able to stop USC. Miami or VTech would have a chance at stopping USC, but not UT.
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Wow...
 
Right now I think the only defense that could possibly stop USC, and by stop I mean hold them to under 28 points, is Miami. Miami's defense is so fast that they would be able to run step for step with the receivers and running backs. Texas may have a fast defense, but Miami is much faster.
 
UT has one of the top 3 defenses in the nation period. USC has the best offense in the nation. But if you remember they only beat ND by 1 and where down early in some games this season to much lesser opponents than UT. Not saying that UT will win, but it will be an amazing game and oh, I dont care who you have on your defense, no one can stop VY, just ask Ohio State. 346 yards of total offense by one player against a superb OSU defense, OMG.
 
MorKnolle said:
Colorado could be a tough game for UT, but they will probably make it through the season undefeated. I don't think they are the second best team in the country, I think Miami and Virginia Tech are both better, but unfortunately they play a much tougher schedule and each have one loss.

USC's defense is about the same as UT's, but their offense is much better. USC's defense should be able to contain UT's offense, but UT will not be able to stop USC. Miami or VTech would have a chance at stopping USC, but not UT.
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So your saying colorado is going to be a tough game, even though ut beat them 42-17 this year, after leading 35-10 at the half. The schedules between Miami, Vtech, and Texas are not that much different. Hell, if Texas would not have beat ohio state, texas tech, or colorado, all of these teams would be in the top 10. Have you seen a Texas game this year?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
speed isnt the only thing that makes a defense good
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I know that speed isn't the only thing that makes defenses good, but they have size, speed, and power.
 
Vinny said:
Bob Griese was stating that Young is no longer challenged by College defenses and will need to get into the NFL before anyone is going to be able to stop him on a regular basis. He will be a QB in the NFL, a top 5 pick and I think he will be a superstar.
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Nope not with that delivery. He'll be good though. He ain't going anywhere.
 
nunusguy said:
If VY isn't a great success in the pros, I will be very surprised because he
is a phenomenal athelete who is also a phenomenal competitor and team
leader. I mean this kid is a "world class athelete", and honetly I'm not exagerating. Can you imagine Vince as a competitor in the Olympics in the
decathlon event ? I can because he can run, jump, throw: high jump, sprints,
javelin, discus, etc. He does it all. I don't know who will win the Heisman this year, but I'm confidant that VY is the best football player in college this year.
Maybe the best in quite a few years.
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WOW!!
But is he more powerful than a locomotive, can he run faster than a speeding bullet and is he able to leap tall buildings in a single bound?
It's a bird, it's a plane, no, another longhorn.....:jk:
 
profan said:
So your saying colorado is going to be a tough game, even though ut beat them 42-17 this year, after leading 35-10 at the half. The schedules between Miami, Vtech, and Texas are not that much different. Hell, if Texas would not have beat ohio state, texas tech, or colorado, all of these teams would be in the top 10. Have you seen a Texas game this year?
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Yes I have seen a couple UT games this year, and I haven't been overly impressed. Yes, Colorado will be a tough game for them but I do think UT will win.

Yes Ohio State (7-2) managed to beat themselves against Texas, and UT beat Texas Tech (8-1). Colorado (7-2) is currently at #24 and would not be in the top 10 if the UT game had not been played, however they probably would be if they had beaten UT. Other than that they beat Louisiana-Lafayette (4-5 in the Sun Belt), Rice (0-8), Missouri (5-4), Oklahoma (5-3), Oklahoma St. (who was stomping UT in the first half and still hasn't won a Big 12 game yet, 3-5), and Baylor (4-5). 43-35 combined record of opponents not especially impressive, and no way near the #1 schedule strength in the nation for whoever said they had it.

Miami and Virginia Tech have the two best defenses in the nation hands down. I never said either one has a top offense but they are the only teams with a chance of stopping USC's offense, not to mention their special teams with Bush returning kicks.

2006 Rose Bowl score: USC 55, UT 24.
 
cuppacoffee said:
WOW!!
But is he more powerful than a locomotive, can he run faster than a speeding bullet and is he able to leap tall buildings in a single bound?
It's a bird, it's a plane, no, another longhorn.....:jk:
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HAHA, I think this is a funny post. Well done cuppacoffee, I see we are on the same page on this one.
 
I hate hearing about Vince Young this and that.

The kid is good in college, but will NOT make it in the pros.

Unless they give him a job as the waterboy.....:fishing:
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I hate hearing about Vince Young this and that.

The kid is good in college, but will NOT make it in the pros.

Unless they give him a job as the waterboy.....:fishing:
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I wonder if he does make it and become a superstar if you will (1) keep saying wait until next year, everyone will see what a flop he really is (2) dilsappear without a forwarding address (3) I underestimated his potential.

My money goes on #2
 
I think Vince might be a good player in a few years. Right now he is a work in progress.

The more I think about the USC/Texas game, I think that Texas has a chance, but not a very good one. USC made Oklahoma's inpenetrable defense look like a high school defense last year and USC is even better this year. USC is beatable because their defense isn't great and Notre Dame only lost to them because of a few bad calls at the end of the game, but the USC/Texas game is either going to be a blow out by USC or a very close win either way. Texas is not going to blow out USC and I don't think any team right now is capable of doing so.
 
LMBH said:
I wonder if he does make it and become a superstar if you will (1) keep saying wait until next year, everyone will see what a flop he really is (2) dilsappear without a forwarding address (3) I underestimated his potential.

My money goes on #2
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My money goes on quote number (3)
I will come back here publicly and apologize that I am ignorant and underestimated his potential if you will also do the same if he is like I say, a huge flop like this QB out of the UH that everyone was so high and mighty on many years ago... The ball is in your court...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
My money goes on quote number (3)
I will come back here publicly and apologize that I am ignorant and underestimated his potential if you will also do the same if he is like I say, a huge flop like this QB out of the UH that everyone was so high and mighty on many years ago... The ball is in your court...
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Deal
 
MorKnolle said:
Yes I have seen a couple UT games this year, and I haven't been overly impressed. Yes, Colorado will be a tough game for them but I do think UT will win.

Yes Ohio State (7-2) managed to beat themselves against Texas, and UT beat Texas Tech (8-1). Colorado (7-2) is currently at #24 and would not be in the top 10 if the UT game had not been played, however they probably would be if they had beaten UT. Other than that they beat Louisiana-Lafayette (4-5 in the Sun Belt), Rice (0-8), Missouri (5-4), Oklahoma (5-3), Oklahoma St. (who was stomping UT in the first half and still hasn't won a Big 12 game yet, 3-5), and Baylor (4-5). 43-35 combined record of opponents not especially impressive, and no way near the #1 schedule strength in the nation for whoever said they had it.

Miami and Virginia Tech have the two best defenses in the nation hands down. I never said either one has a top offense but they are the only teams with a chance of stopping USC's offense, not to mention their special teams with Bush returning kicks.

2006 Rose Bowl score: USC 55, UT 24.
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And yet you're impressed with Virginia Tech? Let's see, they've beaten...

NC State (4-4) - by 4 points no less.
Duke (1-9)
Ohio (4-5)
Georgia Tech (6-2) - GT's other loss this season...to NC State.
WVU (8-1) - Big East powerhouse...oooo, shudder with fear.
Marshall (4-5)
Maryland (4-4) - remember the 1st half of this game?
Boston College (6-3) - BC just lost to 4-4 North Carolina.

You're right that a 43-35 opponents' record is not overly impressive. So where does that put VT's opponents' 37-33 record?

And of course, we all know what happened when they played a legitimate team...
 
Oh, and average scores for those games...

Texas - 48.3
Opponents - 14.3
Difference - 34

VT - 36.8
Opponents - 9.1
Difference - 27.7

'Course, that's not factoring in the Miami game in which VT got dookie stomped.

Talk all you want about how Ohio State "beat themselves" against Texas. But when the Hokies faced a tough team, they got their heads kicked in. Not just beaten...they got throttled...at home...when they knew even a close win would put them that much closer to the Rose.
 
Huge said:
And yet you're impressed with Virginia Tech? Let's see, they've beaten...

NC State (4-4) - by 4 points no less.
Duke (1-9)
Ohio (4-5)
Georgia Tech (6-2) - GT's other loss this season...to NC State.
WVU (8-1) - Big East powerhouse...oooo, shudder with fear.
Marshall (4-5)
Maryland (4-4) - remember the 1st half of this game?
Boston College (6-3) - BC just lost to 4-4 North Carolina.

You're right that a 43-35 opponents' record is not overly impressive. So where does that put VT's opponents' 37-33 record?

And of course, we all know what happened when they played a legitimate team...
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You forgot about Miami's record, making VT opponent's win percentage better than UT's.
 
NC State and BC may not have great records but they are both very good teams because their defenses are so good.
 
Just a couple of facts from this mornings pregame show...

Vince Young is within 500 yards of being the first NCAA player ever to run for 1000 yards and pass for 2500 yards per Lee Corso - ever. Young has 14 plays over 40 yards and Bush has 5 this year.
 
beerlover said:
sorry :challenge not going to happen when the majority of scouts think his natural position is WR in the NFL. for starters just ask John McClain :cool:
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Texas quarterback Vince Young, a junior, is answering a lot of scout's doubts about whether he can play quarterback in the NFL. Young has improved a lot as a passer, according to several scouts we talked to in the past two weeks. As a runner, he's amazing. "He'll be like Michael Jordan in the NFL," said one scout. "The kid's that special." So where to play him? Some scouts say he'd be unreal as a receiver, but with a quarterback shortage, he will be drafted as a one. And he should.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9035477/2http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9035477/2


And yes Vinny I rember Berrnie. I also remember he got a lot of balls batted back in his face. All I'm saying is he goes back and learns to throw the ball over the top, IMHO,the potetial is there, after the draft he starts chasing Manning. I.E. he's a lock for #1 over all in the next year's (07)draft. That ear lobe delivery has some nfl folks moving him to WR.
 
threetoedpete said:
And yes Vinny I rember Berrnie. I also remember he got a lot of balls batted back in his face.
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I don't rememeber that....probably because it wasn't an issue. Why make stuff up?
 
Bullpen Drew said:
I can't think of a star QB who came out of college recently and is doing good in the NFL....drafting a star qb is risky.....
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Ever hear of Ben Rothlisberger or Eli Manning?
 
Vinny said:
Just a couple of facts from this mornings pregame show...

Vince Young is within 500 yards of being the first NCAA player ever to run for 1000 yards and pass for 2500 yards per Lee Corso - ever. Young has 14 plays over 40 yards and Bush has 5 this year.
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The amount of plays over 40 yards is a bit misleading because of the amount of touches that Reggie Bush gets per game compared to Vince Young. You have to remember that Reggie is only on the field about half of the time compared to Vince who is on the field every single down.
 
Vinny said:
Ever hear of Ben Rothlisberger or Eli Manning?
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Yeah but Ben was Tommy Maddox's backup and he pulled a Kurt Warner, he wasn't a household name in college...

ELI is good so far, but he wasn't the premier QB in the NCAA during his time...

Look at all the other so-called great college qbs over the last few years..its like a who's who list of "where are they now?"

Heisman winners Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel...
 
threetoedpete said:
Go watch the two denver games again vinny.
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Show me a QB that doesn't get some of his passes batted down....it just wasn't a big issue like you portray.
 
tulexan said:
The amount of plays over 40 yards is a bit misleading because of the amount of touches that Reggie Bush gets per game compared to Vince Young. You have to remember that Reggie is only on the field about half of the time compared to Vince who is on the field every single down.
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The only thing misleading is the spin and denial that Young has been a super special QB this year and is on pace for historic achievments that have never been done before.
 
Bullpen Drew said:
Look at all the other so-called great college qbs over the last few years..its like a who's who list of "where are they now?"

Heisman winners Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel...
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None of those guys were ever projected to be good pros...ever.
 
Vinny said:
The only thing misleading is the spin and denial that Young has been a super special QB this year and is on pace for historic achievments that have never been done before.
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I think Vince Young is a great player just needs a few years before he will be a quality NFL quarterback.

How many times do I need to say this?
 
tulexan said:
I think Vince Young is a great player just needs a few years before he will be a quality NFL quarterback.

How many times do I need to say this?
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You were quick to minimize an incredibly impressive statistic. That's probably why you drew my response. Leinart doesn't have near the amount +40 yard plays either (I think Corso said 8). Go ahead...tell me something to make Young look bad on this one.
 
MorKnolle said:
You forgot about Miami's record, making VT opponent's win percentage better than UT's.
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I didn't forget. You were listing the teams that Texas beat. Miami doesn't classify as a team VT has beaten (or even come close to beating).
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NC State and BC may not have great records but they are both very good teams because their defenses are so good.
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Kansas has a really good defense as well (ranked 5th nationally). Think anybody's going to give extra credit to Texas after they wipe the floor with the Jayhawks this afternoon? No, because they're a 5-4 team.
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I can't think of a star QB who came out of college recently and is doing good in the NFL....drafting a star qb is risky.....
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Bullpen Drew said:
Yeah but Ben was Tommy Maddox's backup and he pulled a Kurt Warner, he wasn't a household name in college...

ELI is good so far, but he wasn't the premier QB in the NCAA during his time...

Look at all the other so-called great college qbs over the last few years..its like a who's who list of "where are they now?"

Heisman winners Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel...
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Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Michael Vick
Drew Brees

Ben Roethlisberger was a household name to anybody that remotely followed college football. You don't got from Miami of Ohio to the 11th pick in the draft w/o somebody knowing about your abilities.

Maybe you missed the records Eli was breaking at Ole Miss. They won far more games than they should have while he was there as well.

If you want to talk about former Heisman QBs that didn't pan out, why not point out the former Heisman RBs that didn't amount to anything as well?
tulexan said:
I think Vince Young is a great player just needs a few years before he will be a quality NFL quarterback.

How many times do I need to say this?
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Agreed. He's going to need one more year of college and at least 2 years after he's in the league before he'll be ready to take over.
 
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