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Vince young

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If vince young decides to come out this year, I say we look to draft him in the mid-first and convert him to wide reciever. I don't think anybody would want to gamble on his throwing motion, but will want his athletisism somewhere else, I can already picture Aj and young on opposite sides....I can dream cant I
 
Vince Young is not going to be a mid-first round pick. He's going to be a top ten pick and possibly a top 3 pick this year or next year. And I'd prefer him at QB.
 
Vince Young will be a All Pro QB. He does not want to move to WR and wont because he is a heck of a QB. He has a gun for an arm but, unlike Carr, knows when to put the touch on the ball. He will put the ball where the WR can catch it and only the WR. He stays in the pocket until the last possible second before scrambling for 20 yards.

And he has already said that he is staying for his senior year athough that could change if he wins the Heisman and/or a National Championship. It would be intresting if playing close to home in the NFL has any impact on his decision.
 
Bob Griese was stating that Young is no longer challenged by College defenses and will need to get into the NFL before anyone is going to be able to stop him on a regular basis. He will be a QB in the NFL, a top 5 pick and I think he will be a superstar.
 
The Great One said:
Although his throwing motion is poor and lack of accuracy while being fully protected, I do think Vince has improved enough to warrant a top 5 pick. He has passed by all other QB prospects other than Brady Quinn, including Leinart.
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The throwing motion may not work for you but it sure as hell works for him (65.6% this season). Just cause the throwing motion doesnt look good doesnt mean that it doesnt work...
 
I wonder if the ttech secondary was on to him when they picks him twice, I was just saying who would gamble on his throwing motion, I would go for his athleticism which I already know is good and convert im to WR, it would be a heck of an offfense to have him and Aj line up, they couold be two possesion WR's that make things happen with their feet, and imagine the Aj reverse we run with young having the option to run or throw to Aj.
 
I didnt see the Tech game (I was taking the ACT and getting ready for Homecoming) so I dont know what the INTs were like. But on a good amount of the INTs this year, the problem has not been Young but WRs not fighting for the ball. I remember one INT against Rice (I think) where Young threw the ball to Sweed but the Rice CB wanted the ball more than Sweed did...
 
They were dumb interceptions and he got lucky on a few more. I still think that there is not enough confidence yet in his passing. One more year in college he should be fine.
 
College Texan said:
If vince young decides to come out this year, I say we look to draft him in the mid-first and convert him to wide reciever. I don't think anybody would want to gamble on his throwing motion, but will want his athletisism somewhere else, I can already picture Aj and young on opposite sides....I can dream cant I
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That would be pointless. Vince Young is slower than Gaffney or any other receiver on our team and I would be willing to bet he can't catch as well either, so other than him being 6'5" he would be inferior in any way to any WR currently on our team.

Vince Young has stated he is not coming out this year so it won't matter anyways, but as a few people have mentioned if he did come out he would be picked early first round, likely in the top 5. Vince will want to stay at QB since that has been his position and he has stated that he does not want to switch positions at all. Drafting him at QB would be even more pointless as he is not much, if any, faster than David Carr and has a noodle of an arm compared to Carr.
 
Vince young comes out this year if he has any smarts, his feet are what set him apart, if he were immobile would he be good, i think not, will he do good passingw/o j.scott? no. If he doesn't come out this year, he can only take so many hits running, risk getting injured and ruining your chances of getting drafted early would not be a wise choice, come out while your on top YV. Remember Jason White. SO what if you rthe third taken this year (Leinart, Jocobs)
 
How can he be slow, have ya seen him outrun defenders. As good an athlete as he is, he can get the catching thing down. I remember seing his highlight reel from highschool, mythodical stuff.
 
Jason White is a completely different story because he had zero chance of ever becoming a pro quarterback.

Vince should stay because his passing is not at a pro level yet. He needs one more season to improve it some more. He has improved but he is still making stupid mistakes that would be turnovers in the NFL.
 
Okay, so let me ask this:

If the Texans end up with pick #1 do you think Young will change his mind and go pro National Championship or no national championship and Heisman or no Heisman?

and

Do you think the Texans should take him with the #1 pick even though as we all know it is appearant we need Oline help?
 
Vince Young would be a terrible pick for the Texans. We have a QB in David Carr and Young will take 3years before he can even be close to his talent. Vince will be a decent QB in the league about the same area as Randal Cunningham with maybe less of an arm.
 
El Tejano said:
Okay, so let me ask this:

If the Texans end up with pick #1 do you think Young will change his mind and go pro National Championship or no national championship and Heisman or no Heisman?

and

Do you think the Texans should take him with the #1 pick even though as we all know it is appearant we need Oline help?
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No

and

No
 
I'm sensing alot of hate and resentment for Vince Young on this board.

It's like some people are just hoping this dude will fail, and they even make baseless assessments and assumptions of this man's game just to further validate their skewed views.

I'm wondering have any of these people even sat and watched this dude play at all this year?

Cause I don't see how anyone would think this guy would not be a successful Qb in the NFL.

Some people are so quick to point out that he threw 2 ints against T Tech to validate their little biased view towards Young, but at the same time they turn around and completely avoid the fact that he came back and threw 2 TD's against Tech in that game.

He threw 2 int's against Tech, so what, stuff like that is gonna happen to any Qb, even the best of them. Hell didn't the Houston Texans pick off Peyton Manning last Sunday? From my understanding, the Texans are the worst team in the league both offensively and especially defensively and they still managed to pick of the one of the best Qbs in the league.

People need to stop reaching on arguments to discredit Young's game.

*Shakes his head in disgust and leaves the thread*
 
El Tejano said:
Okay, so let me ask this:

If the Texans end up with pick #1 do you think Young will change his mind and go pro National Championship or no national championship and Heisman or no Heisman?

and

Do you think the Texans should take him with the #1 pick even though as we all know it is appearant we need Oline help?
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It depends on how much playing for his hometown means to him

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Yes because Young is a gamebreaker
 
I am not a Young detractor, because I think he will be a quality QB in this league for years. Do I think if we have a shot at Young, an elite LT, or Reggie Bush do we take Young-Hell No. Is he better than Carr no. He has an adequate arm with a delivery that has to be adjusted and accuracy that has to be worked on. Vince Young's arm is bigger than Leinhart, but of the top QB's he is in the lower end of arm strength and his accuracy is not very good. What he does know how to do is throw the ball up. That is an interception in this league. He is likely faster than Carr, but he would be destroyed behind our line. I do think that if he goes to the right situation he could become a good QB. Suppose he comes out and goes to the Dolphins, he will be a really good fit for their offense style, but it will take him 3 years to be the QB that you all think he will. His football IQ is just not up to standard. He has less FB IQ than Aaron Rogers.
 
his accuracy is not very good
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I shouldn't even continue to waste my time responding to crap like this, but just this one time I will discredit this and them I'm done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135107
Vince Young's completion % = 65.6

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=120511
Matt Leinart's completion % = 64.7

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=150329
Brady Quinn's completion % = 65.8

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135239
Marcus Vick's completion % = 69.0

Quinn's completion % is better than Young's by just .2%, and Marcus Vick completion % is better than all 3 of the top Qb's I've justed listed.

People need to STOP being delusional!

Vince Young and Marcus Vick will make great NFL Qbs, anyone that thinks otherwise are just delusional and indenial.

*LikeABoss sits back and wait for some indenial delusional loser to try and discredit the accuracy statistics he just posted, but he will refuse to respond to their dedicated ignorance*
 
Vince Young is a great athlete, but to look at him as a great QB is delusional, not many people can compare to the pro-vick yet when another guy with decent feat comes along ya proclaim him the next MV. The truth of the matter is you can put any athlete who can run in the backfield but they won't be good QB's, A nfl qb takes something else, an arm, to succeed. Think of how many great ahtletic qb's in college have actually turned out great. you need to be able to throw first run second and more importantly have the right mind to play qb. maybe i'm just old and the game is revolutionizing before my very eyes. :sarcasm: vince young could turn out alright but he would be better at WR in my opinion.
 
I'm not saying that Vince Young won't eventually be a good pro QB, I'm just saying that he needs 1 more year of college plus a season or two sitting and learning in the pros. Michael Vick can get away with being a sub par passer because he can run a 4.25 40. But his injuries are catching up to him and if his passing does not improve he won't be in the league too much longer because he will be in a wheel chair. Vince Young is fast, but not nearly as fast as Vick. His passing is equal or a little bit worse than Vick's too. Vince will be a good pro, it is just going to take some time. We have a good QB with David Carr. If we give him protection he will give us some production. I'm not trying to be a Vince Young basher, I am trying to be realistic and do what's best for the team.
 
tulexan said:
Michael Vick can get away with being a sub par passer because he can run a 4.25 40.
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He can get away with it cause he wins and that is the only stat that counts.
 
It's funny how people spell doom and gloom on Vincent Young after every performance. Before the season started people were saying he can't pass but he can run. Now that he's proving that he can pass now it's his throwing motion. Now he still makes dumb mistakes. So on and so forth. But in all of this rhetoric no one ever makes the mention that he wills this team to wins. Of course, he doesn't do it alone. So in spite of the ints, the throwing motion, the bad decisions, everything is just fine. And Vincent Young makes sure of that.
 
I have never seen a player make it look so easy as I have seen Vince do when he is making a play. His thrown balls look sloppy, like something I could lob. His run looks slow and almost ostrich-like at times, real long-legged running. He holds the ball away from him. His "command" of the field comes off as very streetball. He'll point to a kid and show him where to run (left) so that he can toss him the ball as he runs "right." Basically, he's doing everything wrong.

Except that he's doing everything right. He has a great completion percentage, good QB rating, and over 1000 yards passing. If the defense doesn't grab him within three yards of the line, they won't be able to catch him. He has the poise and leadership of Patton and Favre rolled up together. He is a playmaker, and IMO the best thing in College Football right now.

I see no reason why any team would want to draft Young if they are watching why I am watching unless they are seeing what I see.
 
LikeABoss said:
I'm sensing alot of hate and resentment for Vince Young on this board.
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It's remarkable really. He is a Houston kid who grew up in Houston and who was a remarkable Houston High School Quarterback. We have had the priviledge of watching him play ball as a kid as he rises to the pros...you would think that he would get more respect here.
 
I love Vince Young's will to win, but I also don't think he is very accurate. He has a high completion %, but the players he hits are wide open most of the time. He has a tendency to miss these wide open players a lot also.

However, if Young comes out in 2007 I hope the Texans draft him after we solidify our line in the 2006 draft. He is a leader, winner, and he just makes big plays. Our offensive coordinator will have to devise a special offensive scheme built around Vince's abilities.
 
Johnny Utah said:
He has a high completion %, but the players he hits are wide open most of the time. He has a tendency to miss these wide open players a lot also.
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His TD passes werent wide up. He had to place the ball over the LBs and to the only place where the CB couldnt get it. The 80 yard TD run was amazing and he has already mastered something Carr hasnt done once in his career: A pump-fake

He had a TD called back, on the INT I'm pretty sure the WR stopped, Ump gets in the way on one 3rd down and I counted 4 drops by his WRs...
 
People that know alot about football have been saying that Vince was the real deal since his high school days. All I know is the guy has incredible talent and he can and will carry a team on his shoulders. He's exactly what any team needs. I'd take him in a heartbeat.
 
I would love for the Texans to draft Vince Young, Reggie Bush or Marcus Vick. Just not this year. This year we build the oline and the defense. Next year go back to the skill positions RB, WR, and QB.
 
The Great One said:
"People that know alot about football" said he had the potential. As we all know, potential doesn't always come through. In Vince's first few years, it wasn't apparent that he would grow into the QB he has become. I am glad he seems to be fulfilling his promise.

As far as people who know alot about football: they are right about as often as the weatherman. I sure wish I could get paid good money to be wrong as often as they are!
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I didn't say a word about potential. I said people were saying he was the real deal. And he is the real deal!

Hook em!
 
How about we build our line up before even worrying about QB or RB? We will never even be a mediocre team with the line we have. It wouldn't matter if our RB was Tomlinson, our receivers were TO and Moss, and our QB was Manning. Without a good line you can't do anything. Instead of thinking about drafting Young or Bush, think about drafting Ferguson or Winston. And anyone who does not realize this does not know anything about football and is just being a UT homer.
 
Every good college player puts up ridiculous stats in high school. How do you think they get recruited by top programs? High school means nothing going into the NCAA, and the NCAA means nothing going into the NFL. Where is the "real deal" Ron Dayne now? Some great college players are busts in the pros and some mediocre college players are great in the pros. I don't think anyone ever thought that Tom Brady was going to be the real deal and now he has 3 rings.
 
If VY isn't a great success in the pros, I will be very surprised because he
is a phenomenal athelete who is also a phenomenal competitor and team
leader. I mean this kid is a "world class athelete", and honetly I'm not exagerating. Can you imagine Vince as a competitor in the Olympics in the
decathlon event ? I can because he can run, jump, throw: high jump, sprints,
javelin, discus, etc. He does it all. I don't know who will win the Heisman this year, but I'm confidant that VY is the best football player in college this year.
Maybe the best in quite a few years.
 
No one will ever agree on this thread because there is too much emotion and bias. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with that because there is nothing wrong with supporting a local guy or a player from your one of your favorite college teams, but those people cannot truly look at the situation independently and rationally.

Vince Young is a great player and if he does not win the Heisman this year, he will probably win it next year. His passing has gone from awful to good, but not great. Most importantly, he finds ways to win. But unfortunately none of that matters in the NFL. If it did, then Eric Crouch would have been a top pick. Vince Young will probably end up being a good, if not great NFL quarterback, but it is going to take time. He is going to have to sit and learn for at least one season and probably two. The comparisons to Michael Vick are unfair because Michael's running game is on a completely different level. Vince is a great runner there is no doubt about that, but he does not have the flat out speed that Michael has. Michael is not only the fastest QB, but also would be the fastest RB in the league. Vince's speed is probably a little bit faster than McNabb. They both run around a 4.4 40. The difference is that McNabb is a great passer in NFL standards, while Vince is right now poor at NFL standards.

Basically what I am trying to say is that I know a lot of you would love to have Vince Young on the Texans because he is a local guy who is playing for your team, but by drafting him you are basically conceeding the next few years when all you have to do is draft and sign a few linemen in a deep linemen draft to make the team good next year. We have a good quarterback right now. We just need to give him some protection and one or two more weapons and he can show us why we drafted him #1. We have seen what he can do when he has protection and weapons with the Vikings game last year.
 
Why is that people in this thread are saying VY is slow? I've watched every game he has played and uh, I don't see it.

This is a link that someone sent me at the beginning of the season of last year's Vince highlights, labeled Vince Young's Heisman Video. Sorry if this has been posted a bunch but it is just so fine deluxe:

http://badblocks.biz/~jcdenton/VinceYoung(Twisted3434).wmv

And that is from LAST year--this year he is even better.

He is wonderful to watch because it is so obvious how much he wants to win and refuses to be tackled. It is like he is wearing teflon. How can someone who is 6'5" have those quicks?

It was hilarious how many times he faked out the cameraman against OKSt. I guess those TNT cameraguys are easily deked.

For me, he is the type of player that might make me turn in my cable boxes and do the Sunday Ticket thingy.

He would be a benefit to any NFL team and my worst football fear is that he will end up being drafted down the road by a team I despise. I would die. He is not allowed to go to a divisional rival or Dallas. He just can't. No no no and no.

He is too fun to watch, will be successful in the NFL, and it would make me genuinely sad to have to root against him.
 
tulexan said:
No one will ever agree on this thread because there is too much emotion and bias. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with that because there is nothing wrong with supporting a local guy or a player from your one of your favorite college teams, but those people cannot truly look at the situation independently and rationally.

Vince Young is a great player and if he does not win the Heisman this year, he will probably win it next year. His passing has gone from awful to good, but not great. Most importantly, he finds ways to win. But unfortunately none of that matters in the NFL. If it did, then Eric Crouch would have been a top pick. Vince Young will probably end up being a good, if not great NFL quarterback, but it is going to take time. He is going to have to sit and learn for at least one season and probably two. The comparisons to Michael Vick are unfair because Michael's running game is on a completely different level. Vince is a great runner there is no doubt about that, but he does not have the flat out speed that Michael has. Michael is not only the fastest QB, but also would be the fastest RB in the league. Vince's speed is probably a little bit faster than McNabb. They both run around a 4.4 40. The difference is that McNabb is a great passer in NFL standards, while Vince is right now poor at NFL standards.

Basically what I am trying to say is that I know a lot of you would love to have Vince Young on the Texans because he is a local guy who is playing for your team, but by drafting him you are basically conceeding the next few years when all you have to do is draft and sign a few linemen in a deep linemen draft to make the team good next year. We have a good quarterback right now. We just need to give him some protection and one or two more weapons and he can show us why we drafted him #1. We have seen what he can do when he has protection and weapons with the Vikings game last year.
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!??!

Vince Young is to Eric Crouch as Lucianno Pavarotti is to William Hung. Or would you prefer: as Angelina Jolie is to Rosie O'Donnell. He's smoking and unique--and not a physical body type that would have a hard time doing well in the NFL, like Crouch. Vince Young is not just one of those amazing athletes that can only succeed in college. He makes the other team look stupid and his own players look better--what you want in a player.

I'm not a David Carr hater, but VY is a football player like no one I have ever seen. There are the Vick comparisons but he is his own deal. There may be teams in the league he might have an easier time making the transition with, but he will succeed no matter where he goes, baring injury.

Anyone passing up Vince Young will feel like someone who passed up Michael Jordan to pick Sam Bowie.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Anyone passing up Vince Young will feel like someone who passed up Michael Jordan to pick Sam Bowie.
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nice :cool:
Texans_Chick said:
Why is that people in this thread are saying VY is slow? I've watched every game he has played and uh, I don't see it.
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Just proves that just because you can type, it doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Anyone passing up Vince Young will feel like someone who passed up Michael Jordan to pick Sam Bowie.
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I made this same comparison a week ago comparing Reggie Bush instead of Vince Young:rolleyes:
 
Comparing Reggie Bush or Vince Young to Michael Jordan is assinine.

Everyone knows that Vince Young has talent and no one is questioning that, I think the major question is will his shortcomings be overly exploited in the pros. I think VY will be a terrific QB in the pros in the same mold as Randall Cunningham. He is about as fast, same awkward delivery, and he will fight for every yard whether running or passing. If he goes to the right team he will be a talent and is likely the number 1 pick next year. Right now he is likely the third best QB in college football next to Quinn and Jacobs.
 
I don't think its assinine to compare elite talent to other elite talent in a way to make a point. He is a tremendous talent and I'd consider him pretty elite since he completes nearly 70% of his passes in addition to his tremendous running skills. He compares to Cunningham in build only really. Cunningham never had the over the top running skills Young has....Cunningham was a good runner, but nothing like Young. You can get away with a funky delivery...just ask David Carr or Bernie Kosar. You don't have to throw 100% over the top to get the ball where you want it to go.
 
Vinny said:
He is a tremendous talent and I'd consider him pretty elite since he completes nearly 70% of his passes in addition to his tremendous running skills.
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Since when does 63.2% qualify as nearly 70%? By the way, he isn't even in the top 25 for completion percentage.

No doubt that the guy is a great football player though.
 
well it was close to 70% but I didn't check after this game. Apparently it's come down a bit.
 
Vinny said:
well it was close to 70% but I didn't check after this game. Apparently it's come down a bit.
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Yeah, completion rates drop when recievers drop 4 to 6 balls a game...
 
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