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Vince Young to be on 610 am at 9am!!!!!

Vinny said:
Andre Johnson did it and I don't think he has been hurt by it.
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But VY has the potential of being a GI-normous marketing guy--way beyond AJ. Hopefully, they get some help with that.
 
Texans_Chick said:
I dunno. He's funny and seemed pretty football saavy.

The problem with having someone inexperienced work on contractual issues is that they often are insecure with what they know and don't know, and can slow things up because they don't want to be taken advantage of.

That being said, teams have taken advantage of inexperienced relative agents before.

And sometimes that sort of thing works out OK.

He and his relatives would make more money (endorsements etc) with a quality agent though.
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His official agent is the same guy who represents Brent Farve and Steve McNair, I thought?
 
chuckm said:
is this something you would endorse as a matter of practice?
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no but baseless speculation is just what it is...none of us know what is going on so it really doesn't matter. All I did was point out one of our own that did the same thing...and from what I understand AJ can still order cheese on his whopper, and it doesn't cringe at the inflated price point.
 
Glacier said:
His official agent is the same guy who represents Brent Farve and Steve McNair, I thought?
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That is what I thought too from media reports.

But the guy that was in the studio was not that guy. I din't catch his name but it was different.

Please, anyone correct me if I misheard.
 
Texans_Chick said:
I dunno. He's funny and seemed pretty football saavy.

The problem with having someone inexperienced work on contractual issues is that they often are insecure with what they know and don't know, and can slow things up because they don't want to be taken advantage of.

That being said, teams have taken advantage of inexperienced relative agents before.

And sometimes that sort of thing works out OK.

He and his relatives would make more money (endorsements etc) with a quality agent though.
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My two cents.

It is much different in the NFL than in the NBA. The NBA is easy due to strict guidelines on what the 1st year contract will yield by where the player is picked. Moreover, guaranteed money comes into play. The good agents make thier money off endorsements and make their money on the second contract in the NBA. In the NFL it is about the signing bonus and understanding the teams cap situation. He will need experienced folks helping him out.
 
Glacier said:
His official agent is the same guy who represents Brent Farve and Steve McNair, I thought?
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From what I heard, he hired Bus Cook. I also heard that his uncle would be on the management team. I didn't catch the name this morning either.
 
Zephyr said:
From what I heard, he hired Bus Cook. I also heard that his uncle would be on the management team. I didn't catch the name this morning either.
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whoever ..... he seems intelligent enough to make sure he's well represented ... a least he didn't hire a rapper buddy
 
Zephyr said:
From what I heard, he hired Bus Cook. I also heard that his uncle would be on the management team. I didn't catch the name this morning either.
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FYI, The guy that was with Vince this morning was Major Adams, an attorney from Houston. I am not sure if this is his agent or if he actually hired Bus Cook (McNair's agent).

idonno:
 
They are talking about it some more: Major Adams.

Prior to the draft he was described as the family's attorney:

http://http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:91hFejABlUEJ:www.kvue.com/sports/ut/stories/010806kvueyoung2-eh.5a6b3a81.html+%22major+adams%22+vince&hl=en

The way it was being described in the radio was that he was the agent, and that Adams said it was easy to do because the rookie contracts are pretty much set.

I hope he is just a part of a team, but it sounded like he was going to be the agent.
 
I didn't hear the interview. Did it sound like he threw Carr under the bus? Just asking, not trying to imply anything there. I'm just kind of surprised he would make statements critical of Carr just a few days after declaring for the draft.
 
texansfaninla said:
I didn't hear the interview. Did it sound like he threw Carr under the bus? Just asking, not trying to imply anything there. I'm just kind of surprised he would make statements critical of Carr just a few days after declaring for the draft.
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He didn't throw Carr under the bus. Lance and John pressed him to answer and he made a general comment about how sometimes you have to get rid of the ball sooner or move in the pocket.
 
No, initially he dodged the question. He just said quarterbacks need to do little things for their linemen in protection to avoid sacks. He followed up his comments with something like, "who am I to say anything".
 
Vinny said:
I have the same urge when I see you post about Carr and hate on Young.

:tv:
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Vinny, I can see how you might take my comments towards Vince as hate, but trust me they are not. In fact if you check my posts the night of the Rose Bowl I posted several times how impressed I was with his performance. That was the first time I sat and watched an entire UT game, as I don't watch college ball much if ever. But I was impressed. My take on the situation is that I do not think it is fair to kick Carr to the curb after the 4 years of abuse he has endured here becuase of our front office's lack of attention to our offensive line and poor coaching. And I can honestly say right now I have no clue was to what I want us to do come draft day. I have never been so mixed on a decision as I am now, and thank God I do not have to make this decision. And sure I defend Carr, because when someone tries to blame him for the failure of our offense or our team as a whole and can only back it up with "Carr sucks", to me that is ridiculous. I just want to see what Carr can do with at least an average offesive line for just one full season before I call him a bust or get ready to run him out of town is all. And P.S. No I don't hate Vince! He single handedly beat USC!
 
Vinny said:
All great QB's help out their line and help them by sliding in the pocket. Every lineman has their back to the QB and if you don't have a clue where the QB is then the only people that know where he is is the QB and the DEFENSIVE player...not the lineman. Time and time again I have seen Carr move to a spot where it is impossible for the lineman to make up the ground to get between him and the defender.
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I just cannot let this comment disappear into forum lore without a strong recommendation of support. Vinny has been saying the same thing for the last two seasons. It has become apparent that David Carr lacks good pocket awareness and makes poor decisions that reflect not only bad on himself but his lineman as well.

To Vince credit he did not want to address this specificly & would only say he needs to move quicker in the pocket and get the ball out faster. It is my personel opinion that our line is not as bad as people seem to think but rather it reflects the poor play calling and exacution of its current signal caller :cool:
 
I thought the best point was made by the guys just a minute or two ago. They basically said that the team CANNOT go wrong with either pick.

People need to stop the Jordan/Bowie comparissons and relalize that both guys are among the top prospects in the last decade.

But then again they said the city hadn't been this enrgized in a long time.

Meh!!! I really don;t know who they should pick or even who I want them to pick, but is will be fun around here till the draft.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I thought the best point was made by the guys just a minute or two ago. They basically said that the team CANNOT go wrong with either pick.

People need to stop teh Jordan/Bowie comparissons and relalize that both guys are among the top prospects in the last decade.

But then again they said the city hadn't been this enrgized in a long time.

Meh!!! I really don;t know who they should pick or even who I want them to pick, but is will be fun around here till the draft.
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If this turns into a Jordan/Bowie thing, Cass will either be hailed as a genius forever or the City of Houston will be burned to the ground!
 
beerlover said:
I just cannot let this comment disappear into forum lore without a strong recommendation of support. Vinny has been saying the same thing for the last two seasons. It has become apparent that David Carr lacks good pocket awareness and makes poor decisions that reflect not only bad on himself but his lineman as well.

To Vince credit he did not want to address this specificly & would only say he needs to move quicker in the pocket and get the ball out faster. It is my personel opinion that our line is not as bad as people seem to think but rather it reflects the poor play calling and exacution of its current signal caller :cool:
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I would also like to add my endorsement of Beerlover and Vinny's take on this. Carr sacks himself half the time. I think Carr led the league in QB sacks last year, and broke Strahorn's record. Put Tom Brady behind the same line, and the sacks drop in half or close to it. The line isn't great, but it isn't as bad as it appears either due to poor QB play. I also think they will benefit with a good line coach and scheme. People see the sack numbers and ASSUME that the lineman all stink. TE's, RB's, and QB's ALL play a role in QB protection, but don't tell that to the Carr supporters. :brickwall
 
texan279 said:
I think it's his uncle or cousin who is his agent, and the more I listen to Young the less I want him here...
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At least you don't have a motive. Maybe if he rolled with the wrong people and had more street cred. you would like what he said more.

I listened and am having a hard time pinpointed what he said that was wrong...he's sounds too good to be true, maybe that is rubbing you the wrong way...
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I thought the best point was made by the guys just a minute or two ago. They basically said that the team CANNOT go wrong with either pick.
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This is the point many don't get, or they don't want to accept...
 
one of the more interesting responses was when asked if he (Vince) thought USC still had a chance to score (I believe there was around 16 sec. left) Vince responded that he was worried when Reggie got underneath and was running in the open field, but then surprised/relieved me when he ran out of bounds.

I was thinking the same thing :hmmm: at the time. I know there was only 8 seconds left but he had the ball in his hands near midfiled with only one defender between him and a National Championship and he ran out of bounds. could be just me but I got the sense from Vince this was not the utlimate warrior move from the guy that beat him 2:1 in the Heisman Trophy voting :whistle:
 
travfrancis said:
"They basically said that the team CANNOT go wrong with either pick."

I strongly disagree.
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Why? Give me some reasons to agree with you and not nearly every writer, and I mean the good ones like Gosslin, in America.

one of the more interesting responses was when asked if he (Vince) thought USC still had a chance to score (I believe there was around 16 sec. left) Vince responded that he was worried when Reggie got underneath and was running in the open field, but then surprised/relieved me when he ran out of bounds.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Carroll had ingrained in his head that he needed to get out of bounds in that situation. I was more releived then surprised when Bush went out of bounds.

If he hadn't gone OB and tried to score and had failed, and removed all time form the clock what would the media, and this MB, be saying then?
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Carroll had ingrained in his head that he needed to get out of bounds in that situation. I was more releived then surprised when Bush went out of bounds.

If he hadn't gone OB and tried to score and had failed, and removed all time form the clock what would the media, and this MB, be saying then?
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probably the same thing they would have said about Vince if he didn't make it on 4th & 5, but he made it, won the game and the rest is as they say History & to the victor goes all the spoils :yahoo:
 
Maybe if Pete Carroll didn't call a timeout to prepare for a 2 point conversion, Reggie could have cut back inside.
 
beerlover said:
probably the same thing they would have said about Vince if he didn't make it on 4th & 5, but he made it, won the game and the rest is as they say History & to the victor goes all the spoils :yahoo:
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No doubt, but if he had failed and Bush had succeded how different would things be around here, assuming VY still declared?

But my main point was, by going OB Bush did what everybody would say was teh smart/right decscion. It's just what you do in that situation.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Carroll had ingrained in his head that he needed to get out of bounds in that situation. I was more releived then surprised when Bush went out of bounds.
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Did Carroll tell him to push Leinart into the endzone during the Notre Dame game? Just trying to keep things fair.

Both players will make this team better as would trading down...
 
Did Carrol tell him to try that latteral?

If that had worked like Young's lateral worked and if he had turned upfield instead of OB and if USC won there would certanly be a different tune in Houston. This is why you cannot judge on just one game. I agree both are going to be stars and it is up to the other 50 odd players on the team to come together and win. This ain't tennis or golf its a team sport.
 
My point is so many get wrapped up in "what if's" rather that "what is"...many want to pick apart a specific game rather than look at the whole package.

"What if" Carr had a better line...would we be having this debate? We don't know, he haven't seen it yet. We all want to assume things to be true if this happens/happened, etc.. If it was that easy we would all be in Vegas with money up to our ears.

"What if's" mean nothing...
 
BREAZE said:
"What if" Carr had a better line...would we be having this debate?
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No we wouldn't because when he has time and more than one receiver on the field at the same time, he performs.

It's pretty hard to throw for a lot of yards, touchdowns, and win games when you have to be in max protect almost every play and the DL can still penetrate the line by sending a 4 man rush. That leaves 1 maybe 2 receivers to be defended by 7 defenders.
 
God the man wants to play here so bad, the thing that scared me the most was when he said that he'd look forward to playing the Texans, if they pass on him and he goes to the Titans. :bomb:
 
travfrancis said:
Three "ifs" in one sentence.
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Funny how you took that way out of context or maybe you just coun't keep up with the discussion; When I was mocking how we can say "if this and if that." You quote me as if I were one of the speculators when in actuality we had the same argument. Pay attention.

But when it comes down to it I agree that BOTH will be stars and both will add to the team but just like the guys in the locker room feel, it's a team game not a one man show.
 
As for talking about Carr, you have to understand this guy wants to play here and be drafted #1. Certainly he is going give something that shows he is better than Carr. I feel that once Mcnair talks to Young, Mcnair will know this is the guy for our team. Bush doesn't want to play here as bad as Young, why do you think it is taking Bush so long to declare?
 
Fiddy said:
The interview for people who didnt hear it:
http://www.sportsradio610.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.angelfire.com/tx6/gtmtx/610am.html
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Thank you so much. I was at work and couldn't listen. I'll listen to it just as soon as I can find my headphones (my other half - my insane half - isn't going to want to listen, he adamently opposes picking Young).

I did hear some of John, Lance, and Richard Justice in the early part of the 8 o'clock hour. They are convinced that the Texans are going to pick Young. As convinced as I am that the Texans NOT going to pick Young.

When the guys were promoting the Young interview yesterday morning, they said that the gentleman coming with him was "one" of Vince's agents.

The close friend/uncle thing worked really well for Andre Johnson. If I remember correctly, he fired his first two agents because they were holding out and wouldn't get the deal done. And Andre wanted to go to camp. So he hired his uncle to do the deal. And it was concluded very quickly.

The interview sounds really good. He really wants to be a Texan. That's been a really attractive quality about Gary Kubiak, so I hope the Texans get a similar feeling about Vince.

Clinging to my hope, still.....
 
I finally listened to the entire interview.

Favorite parts:

1. People from North Shore calling and saying, "I've been a fan of your ever since you beat my team".

2. Vince talking about calling practice sessions with his receivers 3 times a week and spending lots of time breaking down game tape with Greg Davis - learning the coach's perspective (I'm sure this is part of what makes his reads look almost instantaneous).

3. His love of H-Town and his desire to play for this team.
 
Vince's uncle was my football position coach in middle/high school.

nice guy. Its still funny to think about him bragging about his junior nephew at madison "who is an amazing talent".

never couldve imagined it would turn out like this
 
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