Vince to Leno about going Pro

[Malloy]

Just curious. What makes all you guys think VY WANTS to play for Houston? I think he would rather be picked up by the Titans so he can learn the ropes under S. McNair. It's no secret he and McNair are "best friends." Why would he want to sit the bench and watch Carr progress, as he will with a new coach, and not get the opportunity to step in and produce like he will in Tenn. I bet this boy would much rather become a meatball!!

I agree, the statement on Leno (as written in the initial post) could be read the opposite way too

 

[GP]

And just for the record, on the TE situation.....

I could care less.

I have seen this team continue to hold onto Joppru.

I have seen this team stack four or even five TEs on the roster at diffrent times, and it doesn't make a hill of beans.

We throw ONE pass per game to the TE..and he either bobbles it and drops it, or he catches it and he never sees the ball thrown his way again the rest of the game.

This team doesn't know how to use a TE even if Cooley, Gates, Whitten, Heap, and Gonzales all came to play for us for free.

THAT has been my biggest gripe of this team since its inception. And I'm just at a point where I don't even "care" about the TE anymore.

 

[HoustonFrog]

"...Do you want a guy who can break a kickoff return, run, screen pass for a TD and a win or a lineman who help us get DD and extra 10 yards and we lose again?..." -- HoustonFrog

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I want a true star on the o line, kinda' like that Orlando Pace guy we tried to land during the offseason.

I want a true starter on the line, especially on the left side so Carr won't do the happy pants dance all season long.

Grabbing stud players at WR or RB or QB, ala Detroit Lions, each year just produces the same results: No o line to stop a defensive attack upon the QB. And you shut down the Qb, you shut down the WR and RB because they can't get the ball to do their thang.

Great teams have great o lines. Period.

You snag stars at WR/RB/Qb each draft, and you cripple your team's overall chances at success. More talent will want to come and play WR/RB/QB for us if they know we have a real oline who can help them do their thang.

Otherwise, we might as well just slap a Lions logo on the side of our helmet and just move the team to Detroit and split the rent with them on Ford Field.

Their draft philosoohy is EXACTLY like the one you are proposing, IMHO.

I don't see your connection at all. The Lions took those players with picks 5-10 and they took 3 WRs. The Texans took a stud DB, traded down for a DT, took a WR 3 years ago. Please show me the similarities. It isn't anyones fault but Charlies that he took RBs and QBs in the 3rd and 4th round. Hopefully not many, but how many times will you have the #1 pick and have 3 guys sitting there like that?Look at last years draft. Terrible. The teams I pointed out did it the right way. You can get all the things you want established and still get the playmaker. Your answer didn't even address the question of who woul;d win those games for you. I'm getting confused as to why people think it is less risky to take an O-lineman at #3 then a RB at #1. Injuries happen and no O-lineman is an automatic stud. Larry Allen, Rd 2.

 

[bigTEXan8]

I still say VY stays in college. I say he wants to win the Heisman. As far as I'm concerned, he got screwed. He'll stay at Texas for one year to win another championship and the Heisman.

 

[GP]

My point is that we have drafted first round talent with Carr, AJ, Dunta, and Travis Johnson. Correct? Was Babin a late first rounder, or late second rounder? Can't remember.

Anyway, my point is that it's about time w edrafted a for-sure thing on the o line...and 'Brick is as about as a for-sure thing as you get. It's ONE draft pick on the o line in the first round.

I am personally not sold on both Bush AND Young as being for-sure NFL talent because you see LOTS of college guys light up the college game and yet fizz out once they hit the NFL. You will also find stud talent at QB/WR/RB in the later rounds, as well, and that's a list too long to go into.

Get a guy for the left side (an "anchor" as they call them) and build around with true free agent talent: Dump Gaffney and Bradford, bring on Reggie Wayne for example. Lots of things you can do when you spend less on O line in free agency--thus drafting good o line--and put those free agency dollars toward a proven producer like Randel El, Reggie Wayne, etc.--rather than spending that dough on what I feel are not-so-sure talent in Bush and Young.

That's just my personal philosophy.

For example: AJ is considered to be a STUD WR. But how well did he do this year behind the shakiest o line in the game? Exactly. Not even a hybrid of Montana-Brady-Staubach could get the ball to AJ this past year.

We have the talent, the nucleus, but we need an o line anchor.

 

[TXurias]

And just for the record, on the TE situation.....

I could care less.

I have seen this team continue to hold onto Joppru.

I have seen this team stack four or even five TEs on the roster at diffrent times, and it doesn't make a hill of beans.

We throw ONE pass per game to the TE..and he either bobbles it and drops it, or he catches it and he never sees the ball thrown his way again the rest of the game.

This team doesn't know how to use a TE even if Cooley, Gates, Whitten, Heap, and Gonzales all came to play for us for free.

THAT has been my biggest gripe of this team since its inception. And I'm just at a point where I don't even "care" about the TE anymore.

Great point....when Carr first came into the league he had his security blanket TE Miller. They let him go this year and Carr suffered from it. Carr needs big pass catching TE along with Bush and a decent OL. Remember guys sometimes a great OL coach can make all the difference in the world.

 

[HoustonFrog]

My point is that we have drafted first round talent with Carr, AJ, Dunta, and Travis Johnson. Correct? Was Babin a late first rounder, or late second rounder? Can't remember.

Anyway, m point is that it's about time w edrafted a for-sure thing on the o line...and 'Brick is as about as a for-sure thing as you get. It's ONE draft pick on the o line in the first round.

I am personally not sold on both Bush AND Young as being for-sure NFL talent because you see LOTS of college guys light up the college game and yet fizz out once they hit the NFL. You will also find stud talent at QB/WR/RB in the later rounds, as well, and that's a list too long to go into.

Get a guy for the left side (an "anchor" as they call them) and build around with true free agent talent: Dump Gaffney and Bradford, bring on Reggie Wayne for example. Lots of things you can do when you spend less on O line in free agency--thus drafting good o line--and put those free agency dollars toward a proven producer like Randel El, Reggie Wayne, etc.--rather than spending that dough on what I feel are not-so-sure talent in Bush and Young.

That's just my personal philosophy.

I respect that. I just don't see Bush and Young as your run of the mill, every draft talent. I think you almost have to take them. Good debate though. Whatever they do I think they can improve quickly with this draft.

 

[CenTexNative]

That is the worst scenario. In the NFL there is a salary cap. Moreover, go reserach how many #1 QB's have won a Super Bowl in the Salary Cap era. We would have two. I am pro death penalty, but not for my team.

I know about the salary cap. But don't you think that David Carr and Vince Young could get it done IF they had a line that can block. I seriously doubt any rookie qb can just jump in and make an immediate impact. Vince Young is not exception to the rule. But I do believe with his abilities and David Carrs' guidence that the Texans can get the program moving in the right direction

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I know about the salary cap. But don't you think that David Carr and Vince Young could get it done IF they had a line that can block. I seriously doubt any rookie qb can just jump in and make an immediate impact. Vince Young is not exception to the rule. But I do believe with his abilities and David Carrs' guidence that the Texans can get the program moving in the right direction

We would have at least 13 million invested in our QB position next year, not to mention not drafting our actual needs, not to mention hurting us in free agency against the cap, not to mention the certain QB controversy, not to mention the undue pressure on a new HC, not to mention neither Qb has shown anything in the NFL, not to mention the economic ruin of this franchise if neither make it which is very plausible.

 

[GP]

I have ESPN Insider, and Chris Mortensen had samplings of unnamed NFL personnel who commented on Wed. night's performances:

One person said that Young lit up a bad defense, the same USC defense that got 40-something points put on them by Fresno State late this season. In the NFL, Young and other guys that just take off with the ball on their own are not going to stay healthy for very long.

Most of the people Mortensen spoke with are not that impressed with leinart nor Young. They don't feel either them are true NFL stud QBs right now. With lots of work, it's possible, but it's no sure-thing right off the bat.

One person still believes that Bush is the Texans guy at No. 1. Bush still did some things Wed. night that made great impressions.

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My personal opinion, and I'll stick with it all the way, is that Young-Bush-Leinart are not nearly as "for-sure" NFL talent as they are being hyped, but since they are getting that hype...we need to ride that tidal wave all the way to the bank by trading the No. 1 and going to No. 4 or No. 5 and picking up 'Brick.

Call it conservative, call it "ugly" and un-inspiring, but I'm tired of seeing this team not take the star-quality o linemen in the draft. It's been four years now, and we have YET to take an o lineman in the first round. Last year we all talked about how the 2006 draft will be a "the draft of the o linemen," and we all collectively dreamed about it...saying that we couldn't wait to pick up some great o line talent. Well the time has come, but people are willing to sell the goose that lays golden eggs for some magic beans.

My two cents, though.

 

[SheTexan]

I agree, the statement on Leno (as written in the initial post) could be read the opposite way too

That's the way I take it also. MAYBE, if he could be assured he could play for the Titans, not the Texans, he would declare. A couple years under S. McNair and the boy would be ready to go. Two years under DC and he will still be sitting the bench, unless the Texans decide to trade DC, which ain't gonna happen!! Probably not gonna matter much anyway, what ANYONE thinks. He will do what his mama wants him to do, and that is go back for his senior year. He's got college ball by the tail! A chance for the Heisman (sp), back to back championships, playing for Mack Brown another year, and pleasing his Mom. He'll stay.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I have ESPN Insider, and Chris Mortensen had samplings of unnamed NFL personnel who commented on Wed. night's performances:

One person said that Young lit up a bad defense, the same USC defense that got 40-something points put on them by Fresno State late this season. In the NFL, Young and other guys that just take off with the ball on their own are not going to stay healthy for very long.

Most of the people Mortensen spoke with are not that impressed with leinart nor Young. They don't feel either them are true NFL stud QBs right now. With lots of work, it's possible, but it's no sure-thing right off the bat.

One person still believes that Bush is the Texans guy at No. 1. Bush still did some things Wed. night that made great impressions.

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My personal opinion, and I'll stick with it all the way, is that Young-Bush-Leinart are not nearly as "for-sure" NFL talent as they are being hyped, but since they are getting that hype...we need to ride that tidal wave all the way to the bank by trading the No. 1 and going to No. 4 or No. 5 and picking up 'Brick.

Call it conservative, call it "ugly" and un-inspiring, but I'm tired of seeing this team not take the star-quality o linemen in the draft. It's been four years now, and we have YET to take an o lineman in the first round. Last year we all talked about how the 2006 draft will be a "the draft of the o linemen," and we all collectively dreamed about it...saying that we couldn't wait to pick up some great o line talent. Well the time has come, but people are willing to sell the goose that lays golden eggs for some magic beans.

My two cents, though.

I agree with you.

If VY gets dinged then you have to ding Bush against the defenses he played against. We need to concentrate on our needs and not the hype. Hopefully our front office is not lost on that notion.

 

[bigTEXan8]

I agree with you.

If VY gets dinged then you have to ding Bush against the defenses he played against. We need to concentrate on our needs and not the hype. Hopefully our front office is not lost on that notion.

I concur with both you and gpshafer.

 

[swisher]

Apparently his mom really wants him to graduate from college.

Remember, this is his fourth year at Texas. He was redshirted his freshman year. I don't think he's far away from graduation.

 

[GP]

good point.

someone pull up his transcript and let's see what hours he still needs for his degree (just kidding, although someone might actually be able to do it in this day and age).

You know, there is this thing called "distance learning" that is kinda' growing by leaps and bounds. You CAN earna degree away from a campus these days.

But he might not face such an extraordinary game like he did a few nights ago, either. I'd go pro. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Texans Horror]

Stay the course.

Of course, this is assuming the new O-line coach doesn't say to Casserly, "I like what I've got. I don't see what the hell the Texans were doing wasting this talent." If Reeves and the coaches decide that we have a poorly coached, yet talented line, then they might not see a reason to draft a Ferguson/Eslinger/whoever. At which point they may want to take the opportunity to risk an "upgrade."