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Vick pleads not guilty and other urban legends.

Very nice... I guess when its all said and done the Vicks will be considered the Philanthropists of the century...

The moral of the story is start your charity work now, so if/when you blow a gasket, you're covered. It's like a free pass, a proverbial 'get out of jail free' card*. Of course, this is only a tactic to CYA from public opinion.



*DISCLAIMER: it won't actually keep you out of jail if you're found guilty of a felony
 
A troll with 4600+ post is quite a troll. I thought I was a heavy troller and I am less then 400.

400 posts? You're barely a blip on my troll radar. You hardly register on the Rich-Troll Magnitude scale. You're not even a real troll. You're a "troll-ling" or a "troll-let". Your momma troll is still carrying you around in her troll pouch.

Come back and call yourself a troll when you hit a thousand posts.
 
400 posts? You're barely a blip on my troll radar. You hardly register on the Rich-Troll Magnitude scale. You're not even a real troll. You're a "troll-ling" or a "troll-let". Your momma troll is still carrying you around in her troll pouch.

Come back and call yourself a troll when you hit a thousand posts.

Well I would have more troll-ness if the board had not been switched. I was in the 800+ on the old board. Plus I am more of a wondering troll. This is just one of my bridges. I have residence at jaguar.com and clotfreaks.com. I couple others but those are my big ones.
 
Well I would have more troll-ness if the board had not been switched. I was in the 800+ on the old board. Plus I am more of a wondering troll. This is just one of my bridges. I have residence at jaguar.com and clotfreaks.com. I couple others but those are my big ones.

Vinny can give you those 800 posts in your count if you want them.
 
I totally agree with this take from PFT. I still have very high suspicions about Dominck Davis, Williams, or *****, whichever he is going by this week.


NFL NEEDS A FULL-BLOWN DOG-FIGHTING INVESTIGATION

As the NFL struggles to respond to the jarring allegations made last week against Falcons quarterback Mike Vick, we believe that the league should ponder the issue of dog fighting among its employees more broadly.

Before someone else does.

We believe that it is in the best interests of the NFL to make a strong statement -- soon -- about the evils of dog fighting and about the league's commitment to identifying any and all players who are fans of this "sport," and to deal with them swiftly and harshly. We say this because we detect a sense of inevitability that, in time, more and more names will be named. And, sooner or later, the PETA crowd won't only be picketing Mike and Nike, but will launch a full-scale assault against a league that has been (and still might be) asleep at the switch regarding the prevalence of players who spend some of their free time watching and/or engaging in dog fighting.

Already, there is ample evidence to suggest that multiple current and former players are or have been involved in this illegal activity.

For example, when former Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson's home was raided last year on weapons violations, "Johnson had six pit bulls locked in cages in his back yard, and neighbors said police were called several times on animal cruelty issues."

Why would tank have that many pit bulls on his property? To keep his guns company?

On Friday, former NFL player Steve DeOssie described on WEEI radio in Boston (as we've been told by several readers) that he attended a dog-fighting event during his playing days with Nate Newton and other teammates. Newton was once arrested at a dog fight.

Also, former NFL running back LeShon Johnson pleaded guilty to dog-fighting charges (amazingly, he did not serve time), and an item on the the Humane Society's web site indicates that former NFL running back Tyrone Wheatley once bragged about selling dogs for fighting.

Then there's this gem from Deion Sanders' asinine op-ed in the Fort Myers News-Press, in which he seems to indicate that he knows plenty of NFL players who are involved in dog fighting: "I believe Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion. The allure is the intensity and the challenge of a dog fighting to the death. It’s like ultimate fighting, but the dog doesn't tap out when he knows he can't win."

So what will the NFL do about this mounting evidence that Vick isn't the only guy with a shield on his shirt who has a "passion" for engaging in dog fighting? Ignoring it isn't an option. The league has at its disposal a security force made up of former law-enforcement types who should be able to get to the bottom of this situation, quickly.

Frankly, if NFL Security had been doing a better job of keeping an eye out for this kind of stuff over the past decade, the league might not presently be dealing with the unprecedented embarrassment arising from the Vick prosecution, and the looming fallout from the eventual (we predict) revelation that Vick was hardly alone in his perversion.

UPDATE: We'd forgotten about the incident involving Joey Porter's two dogs, which tried to eat a horse. If anyone out there is aware of any other incidents involving NFL players and their canines, please let us know.
 
I guess he is a good person compared to his little brother Marcus:

Marcus Vick's mugshot in Suffolk, VirginiaOn January 9, 2006, he was charged with three counts of brandishing a firearm, a Class One misdemeanor [8] [9], in Suffolk, Virginia. A police report stated that he allegedly pointed a gun at a 17-year-old and at least two of his friends in the parking lot of a McDonald's restaurant in the 6200 block of Town Point Road in Suffolk. It has been reported that Vick approached the group of teenagers after his girlfriend told him that someone from the group had made disparaging remarks towards her. [10] Vick claimed that the "gun" in question was actually a BlackBerry cell phone that was mistaken for a gun and that his accusers were trying to blackmail him. [11] Marcus Vick was convicted and received a six month suspended sentence for this incident. [12]

Fine, fine people..... :rolleyes:

I had no clue Smith & Wesson made the Blackberry. I can't believe Miami gave him a chance.:gun:
 
My ex-girlfriend used to go to Hampton, up in virginia....her and her friends used to party with marcus and his friends, and I went up there a couple of times to see her and hung out with him. Im not in his inner circle or anything, but we've hung out and he's a nice guy.

The thing that puzzles me about your whole Vick manlove is this: In other threads you totally despise Barry Bonds (as myself) and Bush, but in this thread you idolize Vick.

The Vicks are by far worse people than either one. I guess that says alot about you as a person.:gun:
 
What is truly idiotic is justifying animal cruelty because someone gave to a charity.

But you're a dog hater, so I'm not sure why I even bother to respond. You will never get it.



Prove it.

I think you are 'acting' delusional because of a personal agenda, not because you actually hold Mike Vick up to be your hero.



I honestly don't get it, swt. Why such an emotional attachment to an entertainer?

If it's personal and you don't want to talk about it, I understand and respect your position.

I'm just trying to figure out the logic behind your devotion.


So now, b/c dogs don't hold a special place in my heart & i'm not running around here screaming bloody murder about the things that happened at this house i'm a dog hater? Yeah, b/c i must wanna see them get ripped to shreds & starved since i don't agree with the dog lovers on this site. :ok:Good one DB, you usually think things through a little better than that. & tell me When did i ever justify dog fighting? You guys are out for blood & now people can't even look at this whole ordeal objectively without being labeled a vick apologist, lover or anything pro-vick.
I made a statement to go along with some of the things SWT said that was supposed to ultimately show that the guy does do alot of good that most of you are ignorant to, or just choose to ignore. Yes, they Should be thought of totally seperate from the indictment, the reality is, they'll be brought in at some point by the defense to show try to paint a good side, just like i'm sure the feds will try & dig up everything they can find to paint him as much of a monster as possible.

I won't rehash my position & i won't apologize any more for withholding my judgement on this dude until a verdict comes down regardless of what the indictment says & regardless of what the other co-defendants are doing. I will at least afford him that.

Continue to watch dog whisperer & let your dog lick you in the mouth, i'm outta here.
 
Some of your guys need to get a grip.

Whether Vick is guilty or innocent is up to the jury to decide. When his lawyers get all the info the Feds have and the additional indictment is processed, they may get him to plea bargin. There is likely to be additional charges for racketering/gambling, income tax evasion, etc.

None of this makes any difference to the NFL. The NFL is a very visible business and it does not want the face of one of it franchises to be someone who is facing felony charges.

Face it Vick is gone for this year - he will be spending too much time with his lawyers and in court and will not have time to prepare with his team for a game even if he is not suspended for the season.

If he is convicted of any of these crimes his NFL career is over. Doesn't matter if you think he is a good guy or not. Doesn't matter if you like dogs or not.

Even if he is not convicted his NFL career maybe over. Most if not all of his endorsements may never return either.
 
So now, b/c dogs don't hold a special place in my heart & i'm not running around here screaming bloody murder about the things that happened at this house i'm a dog hater? Yeah, b/c i must wanna see them get ripped to shreds & starved since i don't agree with the dog lovers on this site. :ok:Good one DB, you usually think things through a little better than that. & tell me When did i ever justify dog fighting? You guys are out for blood & now people can't even look at this whole ordeal objectively without being labeled a vick apologist, lover or anything pro-vick.

You are completely missing my point. You are trying to justify a felony because of some charity work. I do not see the connection.

YOU stated you don't care about dogs.

I'm not out for blood. I just look at smoke and say there's probably fire producing it. The situation is pretty obvious if you step back and try to be objective about analyzing the information. Take off your rose-colored glasses and quit kneeling at your Vick shrine and just look at the bigger picture for a sec. That's all I'm saying.

I made a statement to go along with some of the things SWT said that was supposed to ultimately show that the guy does do alot of good that most of you are ignorant to, or just choose to ignore. Yes, they Should be thought of totally seperate from the indictment, the reality is, they'll be brought in at some point by the defense to show try to paint a good side, just like i'm sure the feds will try & dig up everything they can find to paint him as much of a monster as possible.

Again, you try to justify felonies with charity work. If you can't recognize the serious flaw in your logic, I honestly don't know what to tell you.

I won't rehash my position & i won't apologize any more for withholding my judgement on this dude until a verdict comes down regardless of what the indictment says & regardless of what the other co-defendants are doing. I will at least afford him that.

I don't need an apology, and I don't think one is warranted. You feel the way you do, and I respect your right to hold that opinion, regardless if I agree with you or not.

You state that you are withholding judgement, but you're not. You seem to be excusing felonies, along with animal cruelty, because of some perceived personal agenda.

I think a fair trial is definitely the end game, but that doesn't stop the NFL from forming an opinion and casting judgement before then.


Continue to watch dog whisperer & let your dog lick you in the mouth, i'm outta here.

I mentioned the Dog Whisperer to you because you appear ignorant about dogs. I only suggested a show to help educate you, but it is purely your choice to remain without knowledge about a subject which you try to speak about. If you had any clue about dogs you wouldn't have said quite a few remarks in this thread, because they are painfully evident that your take is not an educated one on the subject.

But apparently, you have no desire to raise your awareness or education, and as Phil says, "the closed mind plays the part of prison cell." Just understand that people can see through the ignorance and will treat you accordingly. You represent yourself with words.

The "dog lick you in the mouth" comment is just kinda' weird, and I know it's probably your weak attempt to troll. But better luck next time, and, btw, I don't have a dog.
 
You are completely missing my point. You are trying to justify a felony because of some charity work. I do not see the connection.

YOU stated you don't care about dogs.

I'm not out for blood. I just look at smoke and say there's probably fire producing it. The situation is pretty obvious if you step back and try to be objective about analyzing the information. Take off your rose-colored glasses and quit kneeling at your Vick shrine and just look at the bigger picture for a sec. That's all I'm saying.



Again, you try to justify felonies with charity work. If you can't recognize the serious flaw in your logic, I honestly don't know what to tell you.



I don't need an apology, and I don't think one is warranted. You feel the way you do, and I respect your right to hold that opinion, regardless if I agree with you or not.

You state that you are withholding judgement, but you're not. You seem to be excusing felonies, along with animal cruelty, because of some perceived personal agenda.

I think a fair trial is definitely the end game, but that doesn't stop the NFL from forming an opinion and casting judgement before then.




I mentioned the Dog Whisperer to you because you appear ignorant about dogs. I only suggested a show to help educate you, but it is purely your choice to remain without knowledge about a subject which you try to speak about. If you had any clue about dogs you wouldn't have said quite a few remarks in this thread, because they are painfully evident that your take is not an educated one on the subject.

But apparently, you have no desire to raise your awareness or education, and as Phil says, "the closed mind plays the part of prison cell." Just understand that people can see through the ignorance and will treat you accordingly. You represent yourself with words.

The "dog lick you in the mouth" comment is just kinda' weird, and I know it's probably your weak attempt to troll. But better luck next time, and, btw, I don't have a dog.

yeah, it was an attempt at trolling, i lost it for a sec, my fault, that's not me. Probably an indication that i just need to be done with this subject/threads all together. i'm going to make this my final post on the subject & i'll leave it at that b/c i knew sooner or later the "your ignorant" statement was coming from someone just b/c i said i could care less about dogs.

I'm not excusing anything, stop putting words in my mouth. I haven't pulled out the race card at any point, nor have i said that he should skate on all charges b/c he's Mike Vick or for any other reason anywhere in any of these threads. READ CLOSELY: HE'S GETTING WHAT'S COMING TO HIM, whatever that may be IF he's found guilty.

You guys just get upset b/c a couple of us don't want to join the lynchmob just yet & figure, "well if they're not with us, they're against us..".

Allright there it is, from now on i'm avoiding these threads like the plague.
 
yeah, it was an attempt at trolling, i lost it for a sec, my fault, that's not me. Probably an indication that i just need to be done with this subject/threads all together. i'm going to make this my final post on the subject & i'll leave it at that b/c i knew sooner or later the "your ignorant" statement was coming from someone just b/c i said i could care less about dogs.

Just to clarify: I did not say you were ignorant about your defense of Vick. That is your right to make a judgement call just as much as anyone else has the same right.

My specific point was that some of your statements about dogs - like them, hate them, be indifferent to them - are not factual to anyone that has any experience or knowledge of the animals.

Go back and read some of your generalized blanket statements about dogs to see what I'm sayin'.

Again, I'm not saying you are ignorant, but rather uneducated about the specific subject of canines. They are not the wild, uncontrollable beasts that you seem to believe.
 
Love dogs or hate 'em, Vick's associated with organized crime.

He's associated with an organized crime enterprise that does the following:

a. Steals peaceful family dogs from their homes.
b. Duct tapes their mouths shut and lets the fighting dogs have their way with them.

In other words, they steal property from others with the intent to destroy it. Even if you don't care about animal cruelty, you've gotta admit this idea is pretty f'ed up.

For the "bait dog" aspect of this whole thing, I say screw this bastard. There are other aspects of this thing that piss me off, but none as much as what I've mentioned. Maybe Vick didn't do this himself, but he's associated with people that do.

If there's other NFL players involved (even Texans), screw them too. Round them up and ruin them.
 
Just to clarify: I did not say you were ignorant about your defense of Vick. That is your right to make a judgement call just as much as anyone else has the same right.

My specific point was that some of your statements about dogs - like them, hate them, be indifferent to them - are not factual to anyone that has any experience or knowledge of the animals.

Go back and read some of your generalized blanket statements about dogs to see what I'm sayin'.

Again, I'm not saying you are ignorant, but rather uneducated about the specific subject of canines. They are not the wild, uncontrollable beasts that you seem to believe.


I don't know you might have me confused with someone else. I've been very careful to not say anything specifically about dogs (i've looked back in the other thread) other than that i could care less about them, which for the most part is true, & that they're just animals to me like any other i would come across; which they are. I did share with the board some of my experiences with them, i said that i thought that they were unpredictable for the most part & i don't think anyone can say for a certainty that they aren't, hell humans can't be sure of humans for the most part.

You replied back that most dogs are like that b/c their owners are like that, or something to that effect, which i agreed with for the most part.

By the way good post above Mr. white.
 
I know Marcus personally, have met him a couple of times and found him to be a really nice guy. Vick has been my favorite player for a long time. I was in Atlanta at a draft party when he was taken, own 4 of his jerseys, and have watched almost every game he plays. To me he embodies everything a quarterback should be, and nothing that any other quarterback pre-vince could do. I'm not going to sit here and watch an idol of mine be destroyed over something as stupid as dogfighting.

Then I guess you don't think good judgement should be one of the qualities a good quarterback should have. M. Vick has continually shown an inability to make good judgement decisions both on the field and off the field. All the other incidents from Ron Mexico to flipping off the fans to the bottle incident at the airport to blowing off congress because he didn't want to wait 90 minutes for the next flight pales in comparison to his using his signing bonus with the falcons to purchase the land and build a house for the express purpose of housing an illegal dog fighting operation.

And yes Vick is one of the most physically talented quarterbacks ever if not THE most talented. I was once one of his most ardent supporters but I've had about all the Mike Vick crap I can stand. The dude is a thug off the field and on field has admitted to quitting on his team when the chips were down. Coupled with his inability to read defenses and make good on field decisions it adds up to the fact that he's not really all that great a QB. Look up his all time stats and look up Harringtons, they're almost equal with Harringtons being better in some areas.Vick is exciting to watch but he'll never be an Elway or Montana, he doesn't have the brains for it. Still he coulda had it all but he blew it because his thug homies and being a thug were more important to him than football. What else could it be? Football certainly provided the better pay day.
 
I'm only here to state that these charges are just that and cannot be called felonies as of yet.

I'm out of these threads as well because I still hope that some kind of logical legal system is still maintained in this country.

By the way just to point out that they are not alleged felonies, by statues of criminal law they are felonies. The only thing alleged is if vick is guilty of them.
 
I'm only here to state that these charges are just that and cannot be called felonies as of yet.

I'm out of these threads as well because I still hope that some kind of logical legal system is still maintained in this country.

Should I wait for spelling and grammar corrections next? That's just silly of you to point out. We're all adults here and understand the nature of the court systems and the fact that these are alleged crimes against Vick until he's proven guilty.

Can we try to stay objective about a discussion of a current event? Emotion is not required.

These threads belong in the NSZ, because they have nothing to do with football, IMO.
 
I'm only here to state that these charges are just that and cannot be called felonies as of yet.

I'm out of these threads as well because I still hope that some kind of logical legal system is still maintained in this country.

Once again, "alleged" and "Felony" are legal terms applicable in a court of law and have no force or power at all over public opinion. There's not one person here who has the power to imprison Vick or deny him any of his rights to life, liberty or property so WE are free to make judgements and express our opinion and it will have no effect whatever on the legal system.

IF Vick had been a choir boy up till now and had not lived a thug life and had no record of a string of bad judgements and bad associations and involvements in nefarious activities I'm sure most people here and elsewhere would be willing to give Vick the benefit of the doubt, I know I would. But somewhere between flipping off the fans, Ron Mexico and letting his enterage steal a watch at the airport where for no apparent reason he wanted to hide a bottle with a secret compartment, I Lost all confidence in Mr Vick to do things the right way. Yes these charges are all "alleged" but, there are enough outright facts known for most of us to form an opinion of Vicks guilt in this matter. As DB said, there's just too much smoke here to not know that a fire exists somewhere. And frankly Vick has had the smell of smoke on him for some time now.
 
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