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Vick and the "Reverse Nifong"

Koolaid Time said:
My wife just informed me that she is buying a pry bar to use on me the next time we go to the all you can eat rib night at Gabby's/Pappa's...
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I'm thinking c-4 might be required. Someone sticks a pry bar in there, they're going to pull back a pry nub.


mmmMMMMmmmm... ribs.
 
Regardless of the outcome, I am glad for the attention being given to dog fighting. Maybe all this attention will help crack down on this activity, which is wrong any way you cut it.

The problem is that it is very difficult to pin animals rights abuses on somebody. In the Animal Cops shows, rarely does an abusive owner actually get reprimanded for his/her actions. The usual result is that the owner loses the animals, and sadly the dogs are often put down if they show signs of aggression. I think it will be the rare dog that has been raised in dog-fighting circles that can still be adopted, regardless of its breed.

I am glad the prosecution is taking its time with this. I would rather wait a year and the right people see jail time than to rush the case and they get off on a technicality. Lack of witnesses is the problem here, but I think eventually people will come forward.

As far as Portis and Samuels go, they have discovered knew levels of stupidity that haven't been discovered yet, and Portis will be lucky if he isn't investigated for dog-fighting since the man all but incriminated himself. He didn't just condone the sport. He became its featured speaker and poster child.
 
eriadoc said:
Ummm .... I have a treadmill for my Welsh Corgi. I got the idea from the Dog Whisperer show. I didn't think they were that rare as to only be associated with dog fighting.
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So if you were breeding such a "manly" dog you would have many tread mills for all of them to get in shape before you sold them off???????? What about a "rape" stand? Would you put your little precious in one of those?
 
Shaft75 said:
So if you were breeding such a "manly" dog you would have many tread mills for all of them to get in shape before you sold them off???????? What about a "rape" stand? Would you put your little precious in one of those?
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excuse my ignorance, but what is a "rape"stand ?
 
Specnatz said:
You go from dog fighting to the Iraq war? Taking an educated guess I would say you are referring to weapons of mass distruction.

FACT: Hussain used chemical weapons on Iran years ago.
FACT: He used them against certain sects of his own country.

I would take a wild guess and think he had them, but would not realize he used them all up killing people.

FACT: Cousin is to ignorant to have a job and no money except from the sales of drugs.
FACT: Vick is rich and owns the house.
FACT: He cares so little about the money going into the house he sold it for half of its value.

Yeah if he did not know what his "dumb ass cousin was doing" as you said it, then vick is dumber than a box of rocks. A dead box of rocks.

Some of you people amaze me, it is not even funny. I never knew that ignorance is/was bliss.
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Not sure where you're going with that but, in any case that still doesn't mean that he knew what his cousin was doing. Ask yourself why is it that no one can place Vick @ any of the dog fights? Pacman surely had no shortage of people ID'ing him @ the scene during his fiasco & I mean lets just be honest here, If Vick was there or had been there frequently, people surely would've noticed b/c the guy is a superstar in the league & is an icon in virginia. & maybe he sold the house for 1/2 of its worth b/c i don't know............... he's got a 100 million dollar contract playing football & he deems it as no big deal money- wise to do so.

You're also forgetting that the guy is in atlanta for at least 1/2 of the year, so tell me, do you keep tabs on what your cousins are doing all the time? this is just like the water bottle/airport incident. i'm only defending Vick in so much about the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that has become prevalent when talking about this guy. Ultimately, if Mr. "Poindexter" finds enough evidence that he's comfortable with, Vick will get what's coming to him.
 
Mr teX said:
Not sure where you're going with that but, in any case that still doesn't mean that he knew what his cousin was doing. Ask yourself why is it that no one can place Vick @ any of the dog fights? Pacman surely had no shortage of people ID'ing him @ the scene during his fiasco & I mean lets just be honest here, If Vick was there or had been there frequently, people surely would've noticed b/c the guy is a superstar in the league & is an icon in virginia. & maybe he sold the house for 1/2 of its worth b/c i don't know............... he's got a 100 million dollar contract playing football & he deems it as no big deal money- wise to do so.

You're also forgetting that the guy is in atlanta for at least 1/2 of the year, so tell me, do you keep tabs on what your cousins are doing all the time? this is just like the water bottle/airport incident. i'm only defending Vick in so much about the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that has become prevalent when talking about this guy. Ultimately, if Mr. "Poindexter" finds enough evidence that he's comfortable with, Vick will get what's coming to him.
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I'm so glad I wasn't born a Vick. What a bunch of miscreants...
 
Mr teX said:
Not sure where you're going with that but, in any case that still doesn't mean that he knew what his cousin was doing. Ask yourself why is it that no one can place Vick @ any of the dog fights? Pacman surely had no shortage of people ID'ing him @ the scene during his fiasco & I mean lets just be honest here, If Vick was there or had been there frequently, people surely would've noticed b/c the guy is a superstar in the league & is an icon in virginia. & maybe he sold the house for 1/2 of its worth b/c i don't know............... he's got a 100 million dollar contract playing football & he deems it as no big deal money- wise to do so.

You're also forgetting that the guy is in atlanta for at least 1/2 of the year, so tell me, do you keep tabs on what your cousins are doing all the time? this is just like the water bottle/airport incident. i'm only defending Vick in so much about the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that has become prevalent when talking about this guy. Ultimately, if Mr. "Poindexter" finds enough evidence that he's comfortable with, Vick will get what's coming to him.
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So, let me ask...

Do you think Pacman is innocent until proven guilty?
 
Shaft75 said:
So, let me ask...

Do you think Pacman is innocent until proven guilty?
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I don't remember what they charged him with, but i don't think it matters, he still gets his day in court regardless, it's up to the prosecution to convince the judge/jury of his guilt.
 
Seems like they should call it............. I dunno, a reproduction device...

"Rape Stand" just makes it seem so cheap and dirty...
 
Shaft75 said:
Have you read any of the articles on the whole thing?

It is used to strap in a females to get prego and they found a couple of them.
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wtf ?


Are we talking female dogs ?

I need to re-read some of these articles, cuz I haven't seen anything about a rape stand...

I've never even heard of anything like that before..
 
Let's talk about rape stands, shall we?
These are quite useful, you know. When you breed a dog to be so aggressive, so angry, so frothy for blood that she can't even submit when she's in heat, you might need a little help with the reproductive process.
Well, you're in luck. These rape stands will allow you to strap your female to an elevated position, harness her head in a restraint and voila! Two months later, more four-legged, innocent puppies for you to train to kill.
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http://www.roanoke.com/sports/mcfarling/wb/wb/xp-116755
 
man, when I read "rape stand" I imagined them strapping male dogs in and reaming them a good one before a fight to make them more aggressive.

I agree with Texan Bill, its a reproductive device. i guess when you bread a horse and you lead them into a stall that is a rape room?

Oh and I need to get me one of them treadmills so I can sit my fat arse on the couch and watch Cesar Milan put them dogs in check instead of running my dog Jake.
 
Mr teX said:
I don't remember what they charged him with, but i don't think it matters, he still gets his day in court regardless, it's up to the prosecution to convince the judge/jury of his guilt.
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Well he has been charged in like what 6 different counties or something like that. So, what I am asking... Is it wrong to presume he is guilty? Mike Vick and his brother have both gone off of the path. So why is it wrong to presume Vick guilty? Especially when he owns a house that produces dogs that are groomed to fight.

BTW, if the defense can claim that it was a house just for breeding, shouldn't there be a paper trail to show that? Wouldn't the IRS be involved if there isn't? I figure if he wasn't breeding for fighting, but for distribution, then they should have some type of way to show their income. That might be interesting...
 
Mr teX said:
Not sure where you're going with that but, in any case that still doesn't mean that he knew what his cousin was doing. Ask yourself why is it that no one can place Vick @ any of the dog fights? Pacman surely had no shortage of people ID'ing him @ the scene during his fiasco & I mean lets just be honest here, If Vick was there or had been there frequently, people surely would've noticed b/c the guy is a superstar in the league & is an icon in virginia. & maybe he sold the house for 1/2 of its worth b/c i don't know............... to do so.he's got a 100 million dollar contract playing football & he deems it as no big deal money- wise

You're also forgetting that the guy is in atlanta for at least 1/2 of the year, so tell me, do you keep tabs on what your cousins are doing all the time? this is just like the water bottle/airport incident. i'm only defending Vick in so much about the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that has become prevalent when talking about this guy. Ultimately, if Mr. "Poindexter" finds enough evidence that he's comfortable with, Vick will get what's coming to him.
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Well if he keeps doing that he will end up like "White Shoes" johnson and living under a bridge.

And no I do not keep tabs on my cousins. In fact I have not talked to them in a few years, but then again i am not buying them a house worth$700k and letting them raise pitbulls in it and selling drugs out of it. Which then the Police could confiscate it. If I did buy a house and let relatives there you can bet dollars to donuts I would know what the heck is going on there and no that they are not destroying my investment.

Poindexter and Nifong went to the Marsha Clark school of criminal justice.
 
Mr teX said:
I think it's pretty self explanatory....
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Yeah. I think so too but some people appear to have some sort of mental block and they're not allowing themselves to put the two words together and come up with a picture of what's going on in their minds. It's like... "I know what "rape" is and I know what a "stand" is but "rape stand"... huhwah?"
 
eric138 said:
I agree with Texan Bill, its a reproductive device. i guess when you bread a horse and you lead them into a stall that is a rape room?
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You don't normally have to strap the female horse down and muzzle it so it won't turn around and kill the male horse, do you?
 
Shaft75 said:
Well he has been charged in like what 6 different counties or something like that. So, what I am asking... Is it wrong to presume he is guilty? Mike Vick and his brother have both gone off of the path. So why is it wrong to presume Vick guilty? Especially when he owns a house that produces dogs that are groomed to fight.

BTW, if the defense can claim that it was a house just for breeding, shouldn't there be a paper trail to show that? Wouldn't the IRS be involved if there isn't? I figure if he wasn't breeding for fighting, but for distribution, then they should have some type of way to show their income. That might be interesting...
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That would be interesting..... but now that i think about it, after all this time, i think they would've found that by now. To answer you're 1st question, fundamentally it is, especially when we're supossed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's basically guilt by association & frankly i'm surprised the DA hasn't tried to link Vick to drug charges b/c that's the reason the cops went to the house in the 1st place.
 
Shaft75 said:
So if you were breeding such a "manly" dog you would have many tread mills for all of them to get in shape before you sold them off???????? What about a "rape" stand? Would you put your little precious in one of those?
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I think you missed the point of my post. Re-read my post with the context of the quote I pasted.
 
Cesar Millan, "the Dog Whisperer", advocates use of a treadmill to help exorcise your dogs, too.
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So these dogs are possessed? Wouldn't a Priest be more appropriate? :)

(edited: Dangit...hitting self on forehead...READ THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE RESPONDING! Someone beat me to it! hehe)
 
eric138 said:
man, when I read "rape stand" I imagined them strapping male dogs in and reaming them a good one before a fight to make them more aggressive.
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It would be in VERY poor taste to send one of these type of "stands" to the following:

David Carr
C/O Carolina Panthers
800 South Mint Street
Charlotte, NC 28202
 
eriadoc said:
I think you missed the point of my post. Re-read my post with the context of the quote I pasted.
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I ignored the your insinuation that dog treadmills are common. Dogs may use treadmills of their owners sometimes because of what the whisperer says, or for america's funniest home videos. However, treadmills designated for a group of pitbulls obviously points to dog fighting
 
Shaft75 said:
I ignored the your insinuation that dog treadmills are common. Dogs may use treadmills of their owners sometimes because of what the whisperer says, or for america's funniest home videos. However, treadmills designated for a group of pitbulls obviously points to dog fighting
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No...It really doesn't....

Not defending Micke Vick or his cousin, because I believe they are guilty...

But if you are breeding a large amount of dogs wouldn't it be easier to excercise your dogs with 5 or 6 treadmills rather than trying to walk all of them? Treadmills being used for people who breed a large quantity of dogs is not uncommon at all...in fact I'd venture to say it's very common..
 
hervoyel breeds dogs. Maybe he can say how common it is. One thing that is known is they are very common in fighting dog breeding because despite the size of a yard like Vick's, the dogs cannot be allowed out to run around and get their own exercise. I have been to many breeders of boxers and never seen a treadmill but I sure have seen a lot of frolicking dogs not attacking each other. I have also had many offers to have my boxers stud and it never involved a special fixture to get the female to comply.

Interesting development:

NFL Security has offered its help in the probe of illegal dogfighting at a property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, an unidentified source close to the situation told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Investigators have spoken to, or are in the process of contacting, persons who purport to have information regarding dogfighting at the property, the person told the AJC.

NFL Security personnel said they can't comment on the specifics of their involvement in the case. Greg Aiello, an NFL spokesman, told the AJC that it is routine protocol for NFL security to get involved in legal matters with players and other league personnel.

Investigators have not interviewed Vick, according to Gerald Poindexter, the Surry County Commonwealth's attorney, the prosecutor in the investigation.

"Not to my knowledge," Poindexter told the newspaper.
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Link
 
Let's play hot potato:

In response to accusations from investigators that Surry County, Virginia prosecutor Gerald Poindexter is dragging his feet regarding the Mike Vick dog-fighting probe, Poindexter has decided to refer the case to the Virginia Attorney General.

If/when that happens, Attorney General Bob McDonnell will make the call as to whether Vick or anyone else will be charged.

The development means that the matter won't die quietly on the desk of Poindexter, who has offered up a string of contradictory statements over the past few weeks regarding whether or not he believes that dog fighting occurred on the property that Vick owned in Surry County.

But the reality is that the case will now land in the lap of another politician who either hopes to keep the office he presently holds or who aspires to land a higher one. And this means that the decision as to whether a famous native son will face charges will be determined by a guy who has relied in the past -- and will rely in the future -- upon persuading a majority of registered voters in the Commonwealth to support him.
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From profootballtalk.com.

Interesting--wonder if Pointdexter didn't want to be the prosecutor that brought charges or didn't want to be the prosecutor who didn't bring charges? Given Vick's popularity in VA--probably the former.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's play hot potato:

From profootballtalk.com.

Interesting--wonder if Pointdexter didn't want to be the prosecutor that brought charges or didn't want to be the prosecutor who didn't bring charges? Given Vick's popularity in VA--probably the former.
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Nifong punted to the North Carolina Attorney General as well.
Hmm... someone can check to see how much money Vick gave in political contributions last year...
 
I just heard there are other NFL players involved, perhaps not in Vick's ring, but involved with dog fighting, and the investigation is widening with the NFL security team leading the way. Apparently, there are some other fairly big name NFL players involved in this "sport".

The NFL is fixin to have all kinds of egg all over its face.
 
The NFL is going to need all the 'good character' teams like the Texans that it can get. Maybe they'll give us more favors in the future (like another Super Bowl for Reliant Stadium!).

It's in the NFL's best interest to squash this story, too. So I have to wonder how independent NFL Security is going to be at the end of the day. It seems like a conflict of interest to have the investigative bodies be concerned about public image in this case.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's play hot potato:



From profootballtalk.com.

Interesting--wonder if Pointdexter didn't want to be the prosecutor that brought charges or didn't want to be the prosecutor who didn't bring charges? Given Vick's popularity in VA--probably the former.
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maybe he just feels that he won't get more concrete evidence that directly implicates Vick's involvement in the Dog fighting ring, so he's going to pass it on to someone else b/c he feels it's not a winning case.............
 
Now the Prosecutor says that he hasn't seen any reports from the investigators......


Surry, Va. — While many await word on developments in the Michael Vick dogfighting investigation, the man who could prosecute the Falcons quarterback spent Monday morning sipping coffee in his spacious backyard, which abuts a cornfield on one side and a horizon of rural serenity on the other.

Commonwealth attorney Gerald Poindexter is in no rush to expedite the case involving this humble county's most famous property owner and part-time visitor. That's because he's received no hard information from investigators.

I don't have, to date, one investigative report," Poindexter said in an exclusive interview with the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "I have nothing on my desk. I'm in touch with people who can assure me they can provide me the stuff. That's where we are."
WTF???? Someone sticking their head in the sand or something?

AJC has a good story on it today. AND someone broke into the home in question the other night:

The two-story, white brick house Vick recently put up for sale was burglarized between May 7 and May 18, according to a police report obtained by the AJC.

"I don't think it had anything to do with possible evidence," in the dogfighting investigation, Poindexter said. "I think it was some feuding over the spoils. Some people believe that in getting ready to sell the house, Vick had promised stuff to some family members and other people felt they deserved things."

Stolen were three plasma televisions (62", 42" and 32"), two floor buffers, a wet/dry vacuum, an upright washer and dryer and a leather sofa valued at $17,550 combined. The perpetrator(s) entered the home through a back, side window, according to the police report, which indicated the "alarm was not working." There has been no arrest.http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s.../2007/06/04/0604vick.html?cxntnid=sprt060507e
 
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