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Via ABC 13: Phillips named DC (premature/false report/NOW DONE DEAL)
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House of Pain
Wild Speculator
I guess we will know if Wade really has control of the defensive draft if the Texans draft another TE and try to convert him to NT.
McClain_on_NFL
Gary Kubiak talked to Marvin Lewis about the vacant DC job before Lewis reached a new deal to remain in Cincinnati.
Gary Kubiak talked to Marvin Lewis about the vacant DC job before Lewis reached a new deal to remain in Cincinnati.
False Start
On # 69
Agreeed. This will be interesting to watch.
A top notch DB coach is needed. I don't want them to make one big hire, then crap out on all the other vacant coaching positions. Its time to go balls to the wall, that includes free agency too.
houstonspartan
All Pro
You think bob brought the hammer down on Gary?
wtf? This makes no sense.
Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes
Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes
houstonspartan
All Pro
Good point.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
How many times does a team bring in a DC replacement midseason from outside of the team? That just doesn't happen. Don't know why anyone would expect that.
Given the circumstances, hiring Phillips is a really good move. Let's hope it gets done.
Given the circumstances, hiring Phillips is a really good move. Let's hope it gets done.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Damn. I'm surprised at this. It almost sounds like Gary is thinking of high profile people. It almost makes me believe that Bob did issue an ultimatium (though I'm not fully convinced).
houstonspartan
All Pro
Lol. Just like the "teams never fire an NFL coach during the season" myth went out the window this year, huh?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Even if that would've provided good results, which I doubt. Those kinds of moves alienate only make your organization less desirable to coaches. One of the selling points this organization has (since it doesn't have tradition, winning history, or a nice city to live in... sorry) is the attractiveness of working for someone that gives coaches room to operate and treats them with respect.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I think most people would agree with you, but since his career W-L record as a head coach is 82-61, what does that make Kubiak?
Optimistic, aren't you?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Not even close to the same thing, lol. Which dude said that? That happens with regularity.
That comparison would make sense if it was going to be "fired their head coach then brought in someone from outside of the organization midseason", because that NEVER happens.
That comparison would make sense if it was going to be "fired their head coach then brought in someone from outside of the organization midseason", because that NEVER happens.
Name the last DC brought in mid season to replace a fired DC.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
It might have been said in reference to McNair specifically, but I challenge you to find me a single reference on this board that says "teams never fire an NFL coach during the season"
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I'm pretty sure he did. I think there has been a restructuring of power in the organization. Perhaps it is only an assumption I'm making because it's logical... But, it seemed to me there were a number of clues in the Kubiak presser yesterday as well as some of the McNair interviews the past few days that things have changed in regards to the hierarchy of power.
Wolf
100% Texan
my impression of the press conference was that Bob did drop the hammer on him.. Gary talking about how lucky he still has a job and he has to evaluate himself too. then Gary said they are looking at a big name coordinator that had head coaching experience to help get this right and that the new DC would get all the tools he needed to succeed.
(well yall heard or read about it)
It made me think that Bob might had looked around the league saw how Denver and Dallas did things and fired their coaches and had a backup plan.. Where Houston was stuck, no one on the staff is experienced if a midseason firing was to be done
(well yall heard or read about it)
It made me think that Bob might had looked around the league saw how Denver and Dallas did things and fired their coaches and had a backup plan.. Where Houston was stuck, no one on the staff is experienced if a midseason firing was to be done
Y'all can assume power structures all you want, but this franchise is like the CIA with the way that they keep all insider details so secretive.
Logic fails when trying to figure it out, as logic dictates firing a 37-43 coach after five seasons. 80 games is more than enough to evaluate a head coach for 31 other owners, but ours has undying loyalty to his good buddy. And because of that, I would be shocked if Kubiak has lost any of his head coaching duties or power. That would actually require backbone by McNair, something he seems to be lacking these days with regards to running the football operations of his marketing company.
Logic fails when trying to figure it out, as logic dictates firing a 37-43 coach after five seasons. 80 games is more than enough to evaluate a head coach for 31 other owners, but ours has undying loyalty to his good buddy. And because of that, I would be shocked if Kubiak has lost any of his head coaching duties or power. That would actually require backbone by McNair, something he seems to be lacking these days with regards to running the football operations of his marketing company.
houstonspartan
All Pro
I'm going to have to watch the presser to see. My firm belief is that Kubiak will be this teams permanent coach, regardless of future performance.
Bob likes the guy too much to ever fire him. Bad records will be explained away. And yes, I'm 100 percent serious.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
My guess is that it was probably known through the "underground" that Lewis wouldn't be available. Nice facade. Just as believeable as Wade not already having been offered and having excepted the job by the time the Lewis call was ever placed. I hate to think that this is the type of smoke and mirrors we can expect in this new "hope and change" Texans era.
My guess is that it was probably known through the "underground" that Lewis wouldn't be available. Nice facade. Just as believeable as Wade not already having been offered and having excepted the job by the time the Lewis call was ever placed. I hate to think that this is the type of smoke and mirrors we can expect in this new "hope and change" Texans era.
Yeah I dont buy that for one second either. This has been Wade's job for awhile now imo(awhile as in as in the last week when Bum came and spoke)
"There's a process" - Bob McNair on Inside the Game 1/2/11
Both have been total fails in that regard. Push.
So we're on the right track?
Unicorn is tough as hide. No matter how much glaze you use.
dale, you've given me a lot of laughs, recently. Kubiak is now known for throwing assistants under the bus to save his skin. They're lucky someone as good as Wade wanted to work here, else Coach Teflon would have had to take a loser like Greg Robinson (as you ridiculously suggested in another thread).
Wolf
100% Texan
houstonspartan
All Pro
I can't believe these dumbasses aren't doing a full search. Will this franchise ever "get it"?
Nawzer
Alienz
To be fair, who else is going to take this job? I don't think John Fox is looking for a DC job. I think he'll end up as the head coach somewhere soon. And we're not going to get a young up and coming guy because Kubiak said they were going for someone who has experience. That leaves very few options and Wade is a guy with a proven track record in this league. I just wish they would come out and hire him already and be done with this charade.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
In this case, there's nothing to get. Wade is a Top 2 defensive coordinator candidate. Marvin Lewis, probably the other one, was spoken to by the team and he ended up re-upping with Cincy.
When you have the opportunity to get such a guy, you get him. No pussyfooting around and risking losing him.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
You see, that's my problem as well. I didn't want Kubiak to return, but since he is, getting Wade in as DC is probably about as good as they'll be able to do. Wade will improve the defense. How much? Who knows, but I'm positive that Wade Phillips will do a much better job as DC than did Frank Bush.
Of course I was also a big Kubiak supporter at one point in time, so what do I know?
gary
Hall of Fame
The fear is that is the team does not improve overall and Gary is fired then Wade will be promoted to head coach.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Agree with this. I may be forgetting someone, but I can't think of another DC out there right now with the track record that Wade has.
Marvin Lewis is out. John Fox may be available, but I doubt he'll want a DC job until he runs out of head coaching options. I honestly can't think of who's left.
I heard Vic Fangio's back on the market.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Well, other than this nightmare, I don't have a problem with Wade coming in. They could do far worse considering the history of this team.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Fair point. I guess if Wade is the only proven, experienced DC out there, you make a move. I guess I'm still doubtful about the Texans making a good hire. They've never done it.
gary
Hall of Fame
Just not for HC though.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Doesn't Wade Phillips have some crazy stat where he has become an interim HC for every team he has been a DC for?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yes, because he also has a crazy stat where his teams always make the playoffs the first year he comes on board. Something is going to break through...either Kubiak finally makes the playoffs or Phillips' streak is broken.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I would definitely consider Wade as a DC, but I would never hire him as a HC, and I think McNair is probably thinking along the same lines. We can't just assume he will make that mistake and I think a lot of you are overreacting because our secondary (which Wade will most likely deal with) has got all of us in a very bad mood regarding this organization.
I've been screaming for a REAL FS for many years and it ticks me off that they've never dealt with that, but it doesn't mean McNair will promote Wade Phillips to HC. It means he needs to get a real DC and he's working on that.
Kubiak should be gone, but he could still prove us all wrong. He makes mind-boggling screw-ups, but he also does things right that most HCs wouldn't. I don't think it's imperceivable that a team with Kubiak's O and Phillip's D could work well.
I've been screaming for a REAL FS for many years and it ticks me off that they've never dealt with that, but it doesn't mean McNair will promote Wade Phillips to HC. It means he needs to get a real DC and he's working on that.
Kubiak should be gone, but he could still prove us all wrong. He makes mind-boggling screw-ups, but he also does things right that most HCs wouldn't. I don't think it's imperceivable that a team with Kubiak's O and Phillip's D could work well.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I'm fine with Wade as the DC and I can no longer justify directing my ire at Kubiak. I really believe he thought he was a goner yesterday.
I have to direct my anger at McNair now. Is he really an upgrade over Bud? Is he? Right now I'm thinking he is not.
I am confident Wade wil get this defense turned around. I still think Kubiak is in over his head but that is no longer his fault.
I have to direct my anger at McNair now. Is he really an upgrade over Bud? Is he? Right now I'm thinking he is not.
I am confident Wade wil get this defense turned around. I still think Kubiak is in over his head but that is no longer his fault.
gary
Hall of Fame
The ultimte call is on the shoulders of Bob.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
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Did you see what Fangio did with those Stanford kids . Bill Walsh said he could run so many different things when he was at Stanford because the players were so smart .
Isn't Rob Ryan available also as a DC since Mangini was canned? What about Mangini as a DC? A lot of national outlets love him as a DC? We have to interview some other people,if not we are repeating our previous ways. Wade is very qualified but so,e other guys may have some great ideas also worth hearing. We never really interview,ever, this is Teflon Kubes 3rd DC for crying out loud. Interview people.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
No, you're right. He has actually done a tremendous job at Stanford.
Hey, sometimes you have to give credit, where credit is due.
Htownsportsfan
Rookie
I dont want Wade as the HC but it cracks me up seeing people worry about that when what we have had since the beginning has been epic failure.
I dont know what went wrong in Dallas this season but Wades record the 3 previous years sure kick the crap out of all of our seasons but one:
2007 13-3
2008 9-7
2009 11-5
2010 Epic fail
Even his three years in Buffalo
1998 10-6
1999 11-5
2000 8-8
I dont know what went wrong in Dallas this season but Wades record the 3 previous years sure kick the crap out of all of our seasons but one:
2007 13-3
2008 9-7
2009 11-5
2010 Epic fail
Even his three years in Buffalo
1998 10-6
1999 11-5
2000 8-8
Revolution
Rookie
Dan Pastorini has said it is so, so it must be so!
Has this ever been done by any team?
I don't think I've seen everything, or that I know everything, but I don't recall this ever happening.
I think someone's just making sure there's a chair for him at the donut table.
Is there a Marvin Lewis/Gary Kubiak connection I'm missing somewhere? Why would Gary call a guy & offer him a demotion before he is officially fired?