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VERBA: 35 MILLION or Else

I say we tell Ross Verba to get back on his anti-psychotic meds quickly and call SF or anyone of a dozen other teams. Would rather see Carr sacked then bring in an overpaid horses butt to cause cap issues and throw away what we are building on our O-line. Heard stat that most successful teams have had O-line together for minimum of 3 years we need consistency not FA's with ego problems :brickwall
 
per everyone's favorite gossip site: profootballtalk.com

VERBA ALREADY HAD A SUITOR?

In the wake of offensive tackle Ross Verba's release from the Browns, a league source has opined to us that Verba and agent Tom Condon likely had a new team quietly lined up for the veteran lineman before Verba went public last month with his refusal to play for the team under his current contract, and his desire to move on if a new deal isn't given to him.

"Not only does [Condon] have another suitor for Verba's services," the source said, "he had them some time ago or there would not have been this whole charade from the beginning. This guy was forcing himself out, because [Condon] already has something. If [Condon] didn't, that ******* Verba wouldn't be kicking and screaming.

"If they don't have anything, Verba is even dumber than he appears and it was a very poor job of Condon managing the situation."

The source's money is on Verba already having something lined up. "[Condon] doesn't have to worry about the long-arm of the law because they reside in his back pocket. Do you think the league wants to go after a guy that represents the NFLPA [executive direcor Gene Upshaw] and piss him off ?"

The other side of the coin here is that the Browns have allowed themselves to be backed into creating a bad precedent.

"They have now let it be known," said the source, "if you want out of Browns-Town, make enough noise, act like a jackass and you'll get your way. [I'm] not sure it's a good idea to show that you will reward that type of behavior."

Amen, source. The Browns should have taken a page from the Eagles' "Negotiating with Players Who Are Not Inclined To Honor Their Current Contracts" handbook and told Verba that he has a contract, and that he can either play according to its terms . . . or not play at all.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
"Not only does [Condon] have another suitor for Verba's services," the source said, "he had them some time ago or there would not have been this whole charade from the beginning.

The source's money is on Verba already having something lined up. "[Condon] doesn't have to worry about the long-arm of the law because they reside in his back pocket.
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I know they say Condon won't be punished, but fact is what they are talking about is something blatantly against the rules. Has Casserly ever been accused of anything similar?
 
Hey a 35 million on a multi year deal might not be that bad as long as there is not a large signing bonus. Then the only amount that would count against the cap is each year is his salary. So if structured correctly with escalating pay it could be done and still be cap friendly. Provided we cut him after a year or two.
 
It's going to be easy for Verba to hold his head high when he retires next week because empty skulls don't weigh too much.

I thought O-linemen were statistically suposed to be the brightest players on the field.
 
Mr Shush said:
It's going to be easy for Verba to hold his head high when he retires next week because empty skulls don't weigh too much.

I thought O-linemen were statistically suposed to be the brightest players on the field.
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Being intelligent allows one to craft a more believable dreamworld.
 
In the wake of offensive tackle Ross Verba's release from the Browns, a league source has opined to us that Verba and agent Tom Condon likely had a new team quietly lined up for the veteran lineman before Verba went public last month with his refusal to play for the team under his current contract, and his desire to move on if a new deal isn't given to him.

"Not only does [Condon] have another suitor for Verba's services," the source said, "he had them some time ago or there would not have been this whole charade from the beginning. This guy was forcing himself out, because [Condon] already has something. If [Condon] didn't, that ******* Verba wouldn't be kicking and screaming.



This is making me think that it IS us that Condon was talking to. We didnt aggresivlly go after Shelton because we knew that Verba was on the way out.
I'm all for solidifying our line but I dont think this is the kinnda guy we need. I'd rather just see how our line does as is... with a year of playing together blah blah blah... lets just see how this season goes and then dish out some money next season if we dont improve.
 
Hulk75 said:
How do any of you guys know how good he is? :hmmm:
Just wondering since we all watch Cleveland Brown games! :hmmm:
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You didnt know that everyone on this board was a Browns fan, and watched the games?

In fact they are even Ross Verba experts. So watch your mouth. ;)
 
Hulk75 said:
How do any of you guys know how good he is? :hmmm:
Just wondering since we all watch Cleveland Brown games! :hmmm:
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Verba isn't as good as he thinks but he was a pretty good LT on a mediocre Browns O-Line.It would have done the Browns a lot of good having him and Shelton battle for the LT position out and the loser be the backup at both OT positions.Verba could have been the RG possibly too. Unfortunately,Verba was trying to use a promise made by the old regime to get more money on an already fair market value price for his services.Savage and RAC weren't going to have any part of it. So the Browns get nothing for him as far as trade value,get the bonus money back and lose at least a good starter and very solid depth. Verba is more dependable at LT than Shelton because of his work ethic and is probally on par skills wise. Verba's mouth burned his bridges in Cleveland. A key footnote in this: Former coach and general manager Butch Davis promised that he would take care of Verba when Verba renegotiated his contract a year ago when he was coming off a ruptured biceps tendon.

With his health uncertain, the Browns didn't want to pay Verba the $4.6 million he was due in the final year of his deal. Verba was offered a $2.75 million signing bonus and two additional years were tacked on.

Davis resigned in late November. Browns general manager Phil Savage does not intend to honor promises of the previous regime.


Verba is only a stopgap and teams should only view him in a 1 to 3 year window. What deal would be fair? He's not worth what he's asking and he'll see that in this market.He wants more than 2.9 million yearly when realistically that should be the max he receives. Someone might be willing to overpay for him.
I'm no capologist so
IMHO i'd sign him for one year because of age and go from there.

A compromise will probally have to be reached between his agent and a team in order for him to get in on training camp with a new team. Something like

2005- 1.5 MM+1 MM SB
2006-2.5 MM+1MM SB
2007-3 MM+1MM SB
or something like that.

No way would some team pay 5 years 30 million deal for a 32 year old LT that wasn't a sure fire top 10 NFL LT. In the AFC North Jonathan Ogden,Levi Jones and Marvel Smith were better so that top 3 LT talk he had is just BS.

I know it won't be anything close to Jonas Jennings money,$36.5 million over seven years, which included a $12 million signing bonus. Verba has been reading to much into superstars holding out.
 
if we do sign Verba, sure let's make it 35 million but with incentives. He wants the money, he gotta earn it. Make it a 2-3 yr contract with a team option for the 3/4th yr. And a low signing bonus
 
I wouldn't want that cancer in the Texans locker room, at nearly any price. Talk about a me first attitude. And, he makes Bill Clinton seem modest. He is apparently suffering from delisions of grandeur. This guy actually thinks he is an elite tackle. Lmao. :pigfly:
 
I wonder if Verba's agent and the Texans have something lined up. I wouldnt mind signing him, but not for 35 million bucks.
 
In a radio segment, ESPN's "insider" John Clayton is claiming that the TExans are the leading contenders for Verba.

He did say that Verba will have to come down drastically on contract demands for the deal to get done.
 
I fail to understand all the hysteria about the offensive line in general and LT in particular. Last year's problems were predictable. Any time you have a lot of new starters and position changes and on top of that you ask your OL to learn a new blocking scheme, it's going to take awhile. They should be better this year barring injuries. Wand was being asked to step in in only his 2nd year out of a small college and after having been asked to also learn the TE position in his 1st year. Continuity is what they need now.
 
Can't blame a MAN for taking care of his buisness, before siging with the Browns he was probably promised certain things which never transpired. I for one would like the Texans to sign him to a fair market value contract with incentives to earn what he feels resonable for him to become a Texan. He has good pedigree, valuable experience and character wise better than Shelton. If the Texans sign him they would be MUCH IMPROVED at least in terms of depth across the board, allow younger prospects to develop & give Carr the protection he needs to survive in this league to be successful.

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Verba maybe a hardworker on the field and solid NFL, player, but his if "character" is important to you then see the links I posted earlier in this thread around post 45-50. While he was not accussed in either situation, but both did occur at his house.
 
Tough situation. I've been one of the people begging the Texans to do something about the LT crisis, but this guy, in that price range, strikes me as the wrong answer. If he wants to swallow the ego and be reasonable, bring him on board. If he wants to act like a tool and live in a dreamworld about his worth at this point in his career--especially to a team that spent much of its offseason bouncing its older talent out the door--no way.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Verba maybe a hardworker on the field and solid NFL, player, but his if "character" is important to you then see the links I posted earlier in this thread around post 45-50. While he was not accussed in either situation, but both did occur at his house.
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Either way, I can't blame the guy for wanting to get out of Cleveland. With the Browns heading into another rebuilding phase & these incidents swirling around him, maybe creating a stink over his contract was the best way to make that happen. This could be more about getting out of Dodge than getting a big fat contract. We'll see.
 
I like the idea of having a consumate pro like Verba on the team, and his character flaws are not that bad trust me his years in GB were nice. At the price of 35 Million though is to much to pay for a 31 year old LT. Especially since we have 4 good ones coming into the draft next year. It would be best if we left our line alone other than moving Pitts back to LT and Wand inside.
 
If we can get the money right, Verba gives us a starter caliber player and improves our line depth. He isn't the long term answer at LT anymore than Wand or Pitts is though.
 
I found this on nflfans.com

AP reports OT Ross Verba, 31, is the top offensive tackle on the open market and is free to sign with anyone. He said his agent, Tom Condon, told him that 10 teams have already called to express interest. He wouldn't reveal which ones, but did name a few he'd like to play for. "I'm interested mostly in the teams that need tackles," he said. "I'd like to play for San Diego, Houston, Buffalo, Chicago, Kansas City, San Francisco, someone like that." He said he'll start making visits next week. But those with little cash to spare need not apply. "I'm telling teams, 'If you're not willing to give me a big multiyear contract, don't even bring me in," he said. How big? "$35 million," said Verba. "If I don't get what I want, I'll walk away from the game and hold my head up high."
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Sounds like he wants an excuse to retire.
 
That's all posture. He want's a contract or he wouldn't have given back half a million to the Browns.
 
so we know what he wants in money, what about years? is it along the lines of 7 years 35, or like 35 for 3 or 4 years

cuz 35 for 4 years is kinda silly
 
Years doesn't matter as much as signing bonus. You can sign him for a decade if you want but if you don't give him a big guarantee it won't hurt you. $35 Mill contract with a small bonus is not a bad deal since the contracts are not guaranteed, only the bonus.
 
"I'd like to play for San Diego, Houston, Buffalo, Chicago, Kansas City, San Francisco, someone like that."
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How is San Francisco even on his radar? They signed Jennings and have Kwame Harris(1st rounder) at RT. :confused:
 
He only started 7 games last year and was inactive most of the year his rookie season. His career path has been much like Wand's except for the fact that everyone expected Wand to take 3 years to reach his potential. I think most people expected Brown to be a quality starter by year 2.
 
Vinny said:
Years doesn't matter as much as signing bonus. You can sign him for a decade if you want but if you don't give him a big guarantee it won't hurt you. $35 Mill contract with a small bonus is not a bad deal since the contracts are not guaranteed, only the bonus.
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yeah i know but if he is looking for 35 with shorter years, he will still count more against our cap because the numbers will be bigger...less years means bigger numbers if the money number stays at 35 mil is what im trying to say... so if he only wanted say 3 or 4 years, would we rather look at giving him around 20 with bonuses and incentives?
 
You won't see a large bonus and short terms. The reason you see such massive terms (years) on some contracts is only to spread out the cap hit of the signing bonuses. Teams do not expect some of their players to reach the ends of their deals. If the bonus is small, the term will be small. If the bonus is larger, expect to see some empty years at the end.
 
dalemurphy said:
What OLman would you have taken in the 3rd round of the 2005 draft?...

(I assume you're criticizing the drafting of... Morency)
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Well I am not critizing the Morency(73) pick.... but this year I would have rather drafted E Mathis(79), Snyder(94), Kaczur(100), Buenning(107) or Gandy(129) in the third (or am I too dim to recognize a rhetorical question)

All of these kids would have a good shot of starting by the end of the year if not by Week One.

By the way... where are all the Elton Brown fans hiding?

I think better rambles/rants would be 'would Mankins(32), Baas(33), Roos(41), or Terry(64) help our team/record as much as a backup DLineman(16)?' or 'Loper(150) vs J Mathis(114): compare and contrast'

Off Topic: Thank the Heavens we didn't draft Pollack! What a mollycoddle!
 
Honestly, I don't care who we get or how much money we give them as long as we can improve our O-Line. As many have said, if we want to step into the playoffs then we need to improve our line, and I would be willing to pay as much money as it takes to get into the playoffs this year.
 
I would give Verba a deal that wouldn't hurt us too bad if we end up cutting him before next season. I can see a 1 or 2 year window where he would play nothing more than that.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
The Texans have over $7 million left in the cap this year.
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That is exactly why I would give him a two or three year contract for the amount of money he is asking for. We will have a new tackle and hopefully we won't have to worry about the line so much.
 
TexanFan881 said:
That is exactly why I would give him a two or three year contract for the amount of money he is asking for. We will have a new tackle and hopefully we won't have to worry about the line so much.
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I agree with you!!
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
Why dont we go get Henry and get areself a Running Game! :highfive:
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You need a line 1st then you can have a running game. Also I'll take DD and the rest of the Texans RB crew before I'll take Travis Henry. :highfive:
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
Why dont we go get Henry and get areself a Running Game! :highfive:
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We won't get Henry because we don't need him. We don't need a backup running back behind Davis, we're set there. The only thing we need changed badly before the season starts is the O-line.
 
TexanFan881 said:
We won't get Henry because we don't need him. We don't need a backup running back behind Davis, we're set there. The only thing we need changed badly before the season starts is the O-line.
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Dang were gonna have a crappy Running Game then. PLEASE SAVE US MORCEY!
:homer:
 
F-minus67 said:
nfl.com has an artical aboput the texans looking at Verba

Texans eyeing Verba
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The Texans and Verba's representative spoke June 10, and the two have a mutual interest in the other.

Well, it would appear that negotiations have begun.

By the way, for everyone that is standing up for Wand, it's painfully obvious that the Texans don't feel he's ready to man the most critical OL position (LT). It doesn't mean that he'll never be able to handle it. It just means he's not ready now. As Vinny said, he's projected to take about 3 years before he's ready to step in. Just be patient. Your time to gloat will come soon enough. :highfive:
 
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