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gg no re said:
What do you mean continue to invest. The only player we have given David to work with is AJ. We need more playmakers on offense.
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What do you mean continue to invest. The only player we have given David to work with is AJ. We need more playmakers on offense.
gg no re
iggnorent
Exactly.
We need to be like the Lion's offense, where they have Pollard, M. Williams, Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers. If we invest in playmakers the way that Detroit did, we are unstoppable!
Forget the line! Forget everything else!
Draft pure playmakers, because playmakers win Superbowls!
The greatest inspiration? The Colts! Man, were they a deadly force with their 7 playmakers on offense! 7 is a lot of playmakers, and that got them pretty far!
But hey, don't tell the Raiders that they have all the playmakers they need. I mean, Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Lamont Jordan, Kerry Collins... that is pure playmaker gold right there!
Yes, we need more playmakers on offense! That is the key to success in the NFL, get more playmakers! Playmaker playmaker playmaker!!! Fire fire fire!!!
We need to be like the Lion's offense, where they have Pollard, M. Williams, Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers. If we invest in playmakers the way that Detroit did, we are unstoppable!
Forget the line! Forget everything else!
Draft pure playmakers, because playmakers win Superbowls!
The greatest inspiration? The Colts! Man, were they a deadly force with their 7 playmakers on offense! 7 is a lot of playmakers, and that got them pretty far!
But hey, don't tell the Raiders that they have all the playmakers they need. I mean, Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Lamont Jordan, Kerry Collins... that is pure playmaker gold right there!
Yes, we need more playmakers on offense! That is the key to success in the NFL, get more playmakers! Playmaker playmaker playmaker!!! Fire fire fire!!!
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gg no re said:
Dude get a clue. The Lions drafted three WRs in the first round THREE years in a row am I advocating this NO. If you don't think we need more playmakers on offense then you havn't been watching the games. Here I'll be a DC drawing up a game plan against the texans. Wow! Ill just draw my coverage toward A. Johnson, you know since he is the real only guy that can truly burn me. Who cares if DD runs the ball he isn't going to burn my defense. We'll just let him have his yards, You know since the texans are 3-7 when he goes over a hundred yards. Ill take my chances with bradford since he can't even pull in a pass and I don't even have to put anybody in the flats and can just bring the house on a blitz, cause god KNOWS that the texans don't have anything that ressembles a TE. Yeah the LAST thing the Texans need is another PLAYMAKER. Nope we'll just keep the players that we have and continue to fail to sustain drives putting our defense in a bind keeping them on the field where they wear out and lose games late. Yeah thats working great for us. Also why does everybody assume that if you support drafting bush, that you don't want to fix the line. This draft is deep...DEEP. we should be able to do BOTH.
Hervoyel
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That's just overkill gg. The Texans have not neglected the offensive line to the extent that we have been led to believe (going into my opinion here just FYI). Looking at the Texans offensive line the only place they have failed to take care of business is at the LT position and last year they did try to sign Orlando Pace. That's a fairly impressive move right there. They should have bagged him IMO but they made a good run at him nevertheless.
The rest of the line? Well for LG they drafted Chester Pitts. For center they signed Steve McKinney (and no that didn't work out). RG they signed Zach Weigert and for RT they went out and signed Todd Wade. They've gone out and gotten themselves some players. They drafted Seth Wand, Milford Brown, Fred Weary, and Drew Hodgdon who looked promising at C in his short stay there.
What's the problem here? Is it talent or coaching. I (opinion remember) believe it's coaching. The Texans allowed 35 sacks in 2003 with arguably less talent than they have today. The difference is that prior to 2004 Joe Pendry became their coach. He took a team that could run block fairly well and set them back a year learning his version of zone blocking and he changed the way they went about pass protection.
Hiring Joe Pendry set this team back two years on offense IMO.
Having said that let me add that two other than Andre who do we have on offense who you could call a "Playmaker"?
Davis? Kind of, sometimes.
Gaffney? I dunno.
Joppru? Nobody knows yet.
Tony Hollings? Nope.
Armstrong? Might be? Nobody knows though because he doesn't play.
Bradford? Yeah back in 2002. Now he's more liability than asset.
Hey, add Reggie Bush and you've given Carr two Playmakers. Go find a legitimate threat WR in free agency and that makes three. We don't need 7 to make the team win, three would do just fine and we'll work from there.
The rest of the line? Well for LG they drafted Chester Pitts. For center they signed Steve McKinney (and no that didn't work out). RG they signed Zach Weigert and for RT they went out and signed Todd Wade. They've gone out and gotten themselves some players. They drafted Seth Wand, Milford Brown, Fred Weary, and Drew Hodgdon who looked promising at C in his short stay there.
What's the problem here? Is it talent or coaching. I (opinion remember) believe it's coaching. The Texans allowed 35 sacks in 2003 with arguably less talent than they have today. The difference is that prior to 2004 Joe Pendry became their coach. He took a team that could run block fairly well and set them back a year learning his version of zone blocking and he changed the way they went about pass protection.
Hiring Joe Pendry set this team back two years on offense IMO.
Having said that let me add that two other than Andre who do we have on offense who you could call a "Playmaker"?
Davis? Kind of, sometimes.
Gaffney? I dunno.
Joppru? Nobody knows yet.
Tony Hollings? Nope.
Armstrong? Might be? Nobody knows though because he doesn't play.
Bradford? Yeah back in 2002. Now he's more liability than asset.
Hey, add Reggie Bush and you've given Carr two Playmakers. Go find a legitimate threat WR in free agency and that makes three. We don't need 7 to make the team win, three would do just fine and we'll work from there.
uhcougar08
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Why cant you draft OL players in the second and third round?gg no re said:
gg no re
iggnorent
Seriously, the stance of absurdity that I take on our oline woes is more extreme than you think.
And let me tell you, neglecting LT is just as dangerous as neglecting the entire oline! If you ask me, LT is the equivalent of a hard drive on a computer! It ain't a good computer without that handy hard drive, and I can tell you this, a computer without a hard drive doesn't let you play Free Cell.
Seriously, it's like buying a speaker for your hard-driveless computer. You'll never know if it'll work if you don't get that hard-drive. Seriously!
You're in debt. Been in debt for four years. You have chances to repay your debt in full.
Instead, you go out and buy the coolest stuff out there. iPods, X-Boxes, the coolest widgets and wadgets you could buy.
Now you got all these cool toys, but you're in debt! Seriously, that's not cool!
Seriously!
It's only impressive if we weren't being used by Pace.
And let me tell you, neglecting LT is just as dangerous as neglecting the entire oline! If you ask me, LT is the equivalent of a hard drive on a computer! It ain't a good computer without that handy hard drive, and I can tell you this, a computer without a hard drive doesn't let you play Free Cell.
Who knows?! Maybe if we had established an oline [and get a better OC], we can define who our other playmakers are.
Seriously, it's like buying a speaker for your hard-driveless computer. You'll never know if it'll work if you don't get that hard-drive. Seriously!
Picture this.
You're in debt. Been in debt for four years. You have chances to repay your debt in full.
Instead, you go out and buy the coolest stuff out there. iPods, X-Boxes, the coolest widgets and wadgets you could buy.
Now you got all these cool toys, but you're in debt! Seriously, that's not cool!
Seriously!
run-david-run
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You must be the only person on Earth that does not consider 155yds to be considered burning someone? Just because he does it in lumps of 7 donst mean it is any less effective!!!!Carr Bomb said:
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Our Oline has been improving, but Oline aside. Name who you think are reliable and the key word is RELIABLE playmakers on offense.
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ah.... yes it does if the defense gives you those yards. How did he run inside the red zone when the defense buckled down, how many tds did davis score. For that matter how many tds did we score as a team. Defenses take their chances with DD cause they know if he gets the ball they can keep the play in front of them........key phrase is he isn't going to make them PAY. We have no one on this team besides AJ for teams to gameplan against. We have a losing record when he goes over a hundred again I repeat LOSING record.....On a side not, how often does DD run for 155, I guess we should keep him cause hes good to have a solid game about twice a year against a bottom feeder team, but we still lose. Well thats if hes not nicked up and on the sideline. Point is hes not consistent and you can't count on himrun-david-run said:
texplayer2
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MorKnolle said:
He must be reading the Post on this Board and getting a little worried about this 1st pick thing.
I don't think we should get rid of DD, even if we get Bush. Run them both in and out and keep them fresh. Give us some time of posession and not give teams the last minute of a ballgame to beat us.
Hervoyel
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MorKnolle said:
So you're saying that our offensive line, even in it's currently somewhat mix and match form can run block pretty good right? If davis got 155 yards on the Ravens and averaged 5.3 yards per carry then the line must have given him some run blocking that was at the very least acceptable.
Maybe if we'd had a better back that might have translated into at least one touchdown today. Maybe that might have translated to a "W" instead of a "L".
MorKnolle
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Hervoyel said:
Yes, our line does a decent job of run blocking and is getting better at the zone blocking scheme. I don't really think any of those runs would have been TDs for Reggie Bush because every good run he had he was breaking at least one tackle that I don't see Bush breaking, so Bush would have never gotten out in the open and likely would not have averaged 5.3 yards per carry in that game.
tulexan
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But if we could address the line and get Bush in this deep OL laden draft, wouldn't you want him? I know that our defense looks terrible as well, but I do believe that their performance (or lack there of) is due to the coaching philosophy. Now, does that mean that if we bring in a new coach that they will all of the sudden turn into the 85 Bears? Of course not, but I believe on the defensive side we have the talent to put an adequate defensive unit on the field.
MorKnolle
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Bush is definitely a nice talent and if we could address the line properly and get him it would be nice, but I still don't know how well Bush fits into our current offense and if it's worth a #1 draft pick and the ensuing money to get him. I almost agree with Casserly's statement on the radio last week that Bush is good but what are you willing to spend for a part-time player?