Updated Corner Statistics

[Goatcheese]

Yea, just simply watching them is my reason. Goodman plays for a team with a great pass rush and great secondary players around him (Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins). You watch Goodman during his career and he hasn't been very good. See Goodman with the Dolphins.

Vontae Davis is the worst corner in football? Seems like that should raise a red flag to what's goin on with those statistics. Vontae Davis had a good game against the Pats with another rookie starting opposite him.

Will Allen is injured for the season. We'll see how that defense performs without him.

I'm not saying those guys suck this year, just as top performing CBs it doesn't seem right if you watch the games.

For a Corner having a great CB opposite you doesn't help you at all. In fact it probably hurts. Just ask the Raiders DBs stuck opposite Aso who get everything thrown their way. When you're only giving up a reception 4.8% of the time, you're really good, no matter who is on defense with you.

Vontae Davis hasn't been given a ton a playing time, largely because he's given up 360 yards in 104 plays in coverage. Sean Smith has been their number 2 guy for the most part, and he's been hot and cold. He'll look great one game, then get torched the next.

 

[TexansSeminole]

For a Corner having a great CB opposite you doesn't help you at all. In fact it probably hurts. Just ask the Raiders DBs stuck opposite Aso who get everything thrown their way. When you're only giving up a reception 4.8% of the time, you're really good, no matter who is on defense with you.

Vontae Davis hasn't been given a ton a playing time, largely because he's given up 360 yards in 104 plays in coverage. Sean Smith has been their number 2 guy for the most part, and he's been hot and cold. He'll look great one game, then get torched the next.

Most of my friends around here are Dolphins fans so I watch every game. Vontae Davis had quite a bit of playing time before this past week, and he started against the Pats due to Will Allen's injury. He had a very good interception against Moss in single coverage. He got beat in man coverage against Moss once. He did a pretty good job IMO, and has almost all season.

In regards to the Broncos defense, its all about pressure and good safety play. They get ALOT of pressure on the QB, play their safety conservatively, and allow their corners to play underneath. Even in man coverage, the corners aren't as concerned about the deep ball as you see with other teams due to the safety play. It has bitten them a couple times.

Pressure is another reason these DB stats don't hold a lot of weight with me. If your getting a lot of pressure on the QB it sure is a lot easier on the corner and defensive coordinator. Teams who don't get pressure leave their corners in difficult situations and usually the DC will end up playing safe deep coverages.

If you add our conversation about teams throwing that 10 yard pass along the sidelines against us to the way these stats are collected, I wonder how they calculate some situations. Say a team is in a cover 3 and the receiver catches it cleanly in front of a corner playing deep coverage, do you count that against that receiver? Is it really his fault anyway? Maybe some teams would rather their corner not drop back immediately to try and negate this, maybe they are coached to just turn and run immediately. What if they are in a cover 2 and the WR catches the ball in the hole between the safety and corner, who does that catch go against? How about when a corner gets beat but the receiver drops the ball? Does the corner get rewarded for a receiver dropping a pass? What about plays where its difficult to see which defender blew their coverage? Or plays where mulitple players blow their coverage?

 

[Goatcheese]

Most of my friends around here are Dolphins fans so I watch every game. Vontae Davis had quite a bit of playing time before this past week, and he started against the Pats due to Will Allen's injury. He had a very good interception against Moss in single coverage. He got beat in man coverage against Moss once. He did a pretty good job IMO, and has almost all season.

The stats aren't out for the NE game, but through week 8 he had spent 104 plays in coverage and allowed 360 yards. That's 3.46 yards per play in coverage. The second worst is Fabian Washington with a much better 2.11 ypp.

In regards to the Broncos defense, its all about pressure and good safety play. They get ALOT of pressure on the QB, play their safety conservatively, and allow their corners to play underneath. Even in man coverage, the corners aren't as concerned about the deep ball as you see with other teams due to the safety play. It has bitten them a couple times.

They don't put a ton more pressure on QBs than the other top defenses, and a lot of that is because their great DBs force the QB to hold the ball. Scheme plays a role, but that goes for everything. Ultimately the players have to execute.

Pressure is another reason these DB stats don't hold a lot of weight with me. If your getting a lot of pressure on the QB it sure is a lot easier on the corner and defensive coordinator. Teams who don't get pressure leave their corners in difficult situations and usually the DC will end up playing safe deep coverages.

Pressure helps DBs cover. Good coverage helps passrushers get sacks. It's synergy. Nobody complains about Super Mario getting a coverage sack.

If you add our conversation about teams throwing that 10 yard pass along the sidelines against us to the way these stats are collected, I wonder how they calculate some situations. Say a team is in a cover 3 and the receiver catches it cleanly in front of a corner playing deep coverage, do you count that against that receiver? Is it really his fault anyway? Maybe some teams would rather their corner not drop back immediately to try and negate this, maybe they are coached to just turn and run immediately. What if they are in a cover 2 and the WR catches the ball in the hole between the safety and corner, who does that catch go against? How about when a corner gets beat but the receiver drops the ball? Does the corner get rewarded for a receiver dropping a pass? What about plays where its difficult to see which defender blew their coverage? Or plays where mulitple players blow their coverage?

Every inch of the field is technically assigned to some one in a zone coverage. Generally the guy covering the flat is expected to stop anything from the line of scrimmage out to 12-15 yards. Anything completed in his zone is on him. The Deep zone behind him is responsible for everything from 15 yards to the back of the endzone.

The stats are counted just like any other stats in sports. A homerun off of a hanging curveball is still a homerun. A sack because the QB tripped over his own feet and curled up in the fetal position is still a sack. An incompletion because the receiver drops the rock is still an incompletion. A Reception where the DB lost his footing is still a reception.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Every inch of the field is technically assigned to some one in a zone coverage. Generally the guy covering the flat is expected to stop anything from the line of scrimmage out to 12-15 yards. Anything completed in his zone is on him. The Deep zone behind him is responsible for everything from 15 yards to the back of the endzone.

The stats are counted just like any other stats in sports. A homerun off of a hanging curveball is still a homerun. A sack because the QB tripped over his own feet and curled up in the fetal position is still a sack. An incompletion because the receiver drops the rock is still an incompletion. A Reception where the DB lost his footing is still a reception.

That doesn't really address my concerns about the way the stats work, or answer any of those questions.

Anyway, there are always holes in zone coverage. You can't assign the entire field out to your 11 guys and realistically expect them to cover it. They shouldn't score it as such either.

 

[Goatcheese]

Dunta Robinson slips 1 spot this week after a pedestrian performance against the Tacks, allowing 3 of 4 for 37 yards in 31 plays.

Jacques Reeves didn't get the start this week against the run heavy Titans but had a pretty good day, allowing 1 of 2 for 13 yards in 15 plays. He jumped 5 spots to 3rd place, largely because the field has slipped over the last few weeks. Week 9 there were 10 players with a rating over 20, this week just 3, including Reeves.

Glover Quin got the start, largely for his run support ability, and allowed 2 of 3 for 41 yards in 30 plays.

Robinson is the 3rd least thrown at corner, Reeves 7th and Quin 53rd.

 

[Big Lou]

So Dunta gave up 37 yards against the Tacks. Hell VY only threw for 116 yards so that says something.

 

[Goatcheese]

So Dunta gave up 37 yards against the Tacks. Hell VY only threw for 116 yards so that says something.

He only had 116 yards because nobody was open, despite getting no pressure and our corners having to cover for a long time. D-Rob only gave up 5 receptions for 33 yards in the previous two weeks combined, with over 80 plays in coverage, and over 50 of those against the forehead.

It was an off week for him, but when your off weeks are the league average, that's saying something.

It could be worse. Chris Gamble(the guy who's contract D-Rob's offer is compared to) has given up 145, 52 and 86 yards in his last 3 games. 283 yards vs just 70 for D-Rob's last 3 starts.

Nnamdi Asomugha(the best corner in the NFL) has given up 15, 61, and 23 yards in his last 3 starts. So 99 vs D-Rob's 70. His 61 yards surrendered is more than D-Robs season high of 58 as well.

So perspective is always nice.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Maybe we can trade Reeves for Revis and a draft pick since the chart says Reeves is that much better.

 

[Goatcheese]

Maybe we can trade Reeves for Revis and a draft pick since the chart says Reeves is that much better. :P

This is just an analysis of raw coverage ability, not total player value. I would grade Revis as better all around when you count in run support and ball skills. Plus he's been good longer, where as Reeves was horrible last year, and this year could just be a statistical anomaly. A solar flair of coverage excellence if you will.