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Update: Jake Long Signed by Dolphins

safe pick. barring injury, you have at worse a ProBowl caliber RT and best case a ProBowl caliber franchise LT. Either way, the pick won't be wasted and the Fins need to hit with as many picks as possible. good job dolphins.
 
nunusguy said:
Why is it a good move to use the #1 overall pick on a RT ? And I just saw
the 'Phins presser live and they brushed aside any thought of using him anyplace but LT. So we shall see ?
But, he is a tremendous football player, no doubt. Say aren't we playing them this year ? Mario vs JL ?
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I've read this same thing from many scouts. The fact of the matter is the Dolphins don't have a franchise type QB IMHO and they need to run the ball and stick to their strengths. A RT or any T would make sense in this draft.

Sparano says he will be the LT but I can see that changing. Either way I think it is what Bill wants.

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2008/03/dolphins-not-paying-great-attention-to.html

Look, this is a good draft for offensive tackles. The Dolphins have a huge need in that they don't have a right tackle. If you believe they're moving Vernon Carey back to right tackle, something the Dolphins have not confirmed, they don't have a left tackle.

But the fact is even if they don't pick Long, they can still draft a tackle with the first pick of the second round and fill the position. The fact is they can live with Carey at LT and let the rookie play RT. The fact is this deep tackle class might offer a LT in the second round. The fact is Bill Parcells has not traditionally spent high picks on offensive linemen.

The fact is if Tony Sparano is as good a line coach as everyone says, they can find a diamond in the rough after the first pick and turn him into a diamond on the line. The fact is Jake Long, for all his gifts, is not a No. 1 overall pick type of talent.

By the way, Long is still an outstanding player. He was penalized for a holding once as a redshirt freshman and had one false start as a senior. But that didn't mean he didn't cheat a little.
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kastofsna said:
C. Long isn't a freakish athlete like those two. if he would've taken a DE like Ware or LT, it would've been Gholston.
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I agree on Gholstons potential but think Long has a better motor and the ability to be better.
 
I am convinced the NFL told the phins to make this pick to screw over the Texans so a LT does not fall to us.
 
kastofsna said:
LT is the premium position regardless of whether the QB is left-handed or right-handed. the best pass-rushers line up against the LT most of the time no matter what.
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Hold up. If your QB is a Lefty RT is your premium position. With a lefty QB, the RT protects the QB's blind spot whereas the LT protects the right handed QB's blind spot. Usually your best pass rusher will try to get the QB from his blind spot because you theoretically he wont see it coming.

If your best pass rusher lines up on the left tackle facing a left QB, the QB will see the rush coming and either get rid of the ball. Levi was a great pick for the Cards last year because his natural postion is RT and he protects the blind spot for lefty QB Leinart. You draft the tackle that will protect your QB's blindspot HIGH and position depends if your QB is a rightie or lefty.
 
kastofsna said:
LT is the premium position regardless of whether the QB is left-handed or right-handed. the best pass-rushers line up against the LT most of the time no matter what.
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You have little sense of humor when it comes to the Dolphins, eh? Either that or I need to use the sarcasm smiley more often.
 
drewmar74 said:
You have little sense of humor when it comes to the Dolphins, eh? Either that or I need to use the sarcasm smiley more often.
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regardless of your intended sarcasm or not, i was making a point that very few people seem to realize. take awysst for example.
Hold up. If your QB is a Lefty RT is your premium position. With a lefty QB, the RT protects the QB's blind spot whereas the LT protects the right handed QB's blind spot. Usually your best pass rusher will try to get the QB from his blind spot because you theoretically he wont see it coming.

If your best pass rusher lines up on the left tackle facing a left QB, the QB will see the rush coming and either get rid of the ball. Levi was a great pick for the Cards last year because his natural postion is RT and he protects the blind spot for lefty QB Leinart. You draft the tackle that will protect your QB's blindspot HIGH and position depends if your QB is a rightie or lefty.
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it's just not that simple. a defense isn't going to completely alter their gameplan just because of the quarterback's throwing arm. and yes, they WOULD have to change it completely, because a DE can't just say "well i was over there the past 10 weeks but i'll go ahead and line up over here this week." you're moving players around that aren't accustomed to playing a position just so they can have some theoretical advantage.

the best pass-rushers are going up against the LT. when Matt Leinart was in, the defenses rushed him the same way they did against Kurt Warner.
 
Getting a left handed Quarterback won't help in the sense some may be suggesting. So why is Long considered to be a RT? Because he's not quick enough to handle the speed rushers. Now let's look at what happens if you have a left handed QB, Long protecting his blindside, and the defense moves their pass rusher over to the right.... Jake is now guarding the elite pass rushing DE and is back in the same situation you didn't want him in to begin with.

That is if your strictly speaking about pass protection...
 
From what I have seen, Jake Long can and Will play LT at the next level.. He may need some TE now and again for a while, but he will develop into a great LT.
 
if Vernon Carey can make the successful conversion from RT to LT, when most thought he'd be a guard at best in the NFL, i think Long can play the position as well.
 
kastofsna said:
if Vernon Carey can make the successful conversion from RT to LT, when most thought he'd be a guard at best in the NFL, i think Long can play the position as well.
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Just to restate....I like the pick. Just to sum up Kiper though....he is supposed to be the next Jumbo Elliot..Michigan guy who was supposed to maybe play RT but was a pro bowler and an anchor....BUT the question mark is speed guys. He said he had trouble with Gholston and other speed guys in college.
 
i think he allowed 2 sacks in his career (both to Gholston). not too concerned about it, he's not a finished product.
 
kastofsna said:
i think he allowed 2 sacks in his career (both to Gholston). not too concerned about it, he's not a finished product.
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Correct.

Gave up 1 to Gholston last year & 1 more this year.

I think Gholston had like 3 sacks this year against Michigan but only 1 was when he lined up on Long.
 
bah007 said:
Correct.

Gave up 1 to Gholston last year & 1 more this year.

I think Gholston had like 3 sacks this year against Michigan but only 1 was when he lined up on Long.
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Yup, and I wasn't attributing my quote above to Kiper but what Long himself said about speed guys. So he is a work in progress. A really top notch one.
 
Looks like they had a plan B with Chris Long

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3363448

The early signing of Jake Long by the Miami Dolphins seemed to catch a lot of people off-guard. It was by design, and there was a Plan B ready to go.

Bill Parcells, the vice president of football operations for the Dolphins, had set an internal deadline of Tuesday to get the deal done or he would have turned to Virginia defensive end Chris Long, according to team sources.

Parcells even sent a letter on Monday to Jake Long's representatives -- Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of Creative Artists Agency -- suggesting Parcells would have to move on if the deal didn't come to a conclusion
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lol my Gholston "insider info" came from ESPN and FSN and etc. that's what they've been saying the last week, that J. Long was #1 and Gholston was #2 if Long didn't sign. this is the first i've heard Chris Long's name.
 
speaking of inside info, the only bit of such information i can provide this year is that it looks like Miami's second round picks will be spent on WR and LB. not sure which one first, or what position at LB, but i assume DE/OLB.
 
Long :texansam: Ginn :shots: & tonic for a total of how many millions? unimpressive savy to say the least they could have had a premier DE. Allen signed for 74 million? feel sorry for you bro :wesmantexanfan:
 
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