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Unbelievable now we know what we need in the Draft

Ok , I started this thread , and its kinda like that game where you tell somone a secret and by the time it gets to the last person the secret has changed all together . I was not talking about that One play that Zereou had . Yes we won and im very happy about that but our run defense leaves alot to be desired and needs improvement if we are going to go anywhere , thats why I mentioned picking a Big DT in the draft and going 4-3 . I guess i need facts ,
week 1 we gave up 122 yards rushing ( yes hes a good back so ok )
week 2 we gave up 94 yards not alot but Kevin Jones isnt the greatest
week 3 we gave up 168 yards ( yes another good back with a sprained ankle)
week 4 we gave up 151 yards to another back who isnt that good Zereoue

thats a combined total of 535 yards in 4 games , you cant tell me thats not too much , we have to correct that problem somehow or we arent gonna continue to win back to back games . So I was making a suggestion of the DT and going to 4-3 .
Heck I didnt even mention the other problem we have and the special teams needs alot of work . Everything else looks fantastic and I am very happy with it . Close those 2 Categories and we are gonna win alot of games
 
CyberTexan said:
So I was making a suggestion of the DT and going to 4-3.
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There is a Jerry Jeff Walker song for anyone that wants the Texans to convert to a 4-3, at least until things get so bad that Capers & Fangio are both fired. They are 3-4 gurus/advocates. The only way this happens is as it happened in Atlanta this year.
 
texansfan88 said:
For those that dont feel we have a good #2 (which might change by the end of the year), these will be good #2s to AJ

Geoff McArthur, Cal
J.R. Russell, Louisville
Roydell Williams, Tulane
Brandon Rideau, Kansas
Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue
Josh Davis, Marshall
Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M
Craig Bragg, UCLA

I would bet that one of these guys will be a Texan if Bradford leaves. These guys should be available in the 3rd round and have a ton of value
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I like T-Murph alot. I was at there game this weekend vs. K-State and he caught this pass that was great concentration. He was pushed down during a long route, falling down(on his back) and was still able to catch it. The only reason I wouldn't want him to become a Texan is to make sure he got playing time somewhere that needs a receiver more than we do.
 
texansfan88 said:
1st off, if any of you think mel kiper is a draft whiz, you're being deceived. He receives 99% of his info from Washington Redskins Exec. Vinny Cerrato. So basically, that is usually their draft board.

Secondly, I work for NFLDraftBlitz.com, along with contributing work to other draft sites. For Blitz, I cover the Defensive line, wide receivers and quarterbacks. I have talked to Antaaj on a few occasions, and from what I'm understanding, if we want him, we're going to have to be downright awful the rest of the year.
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WOW, you REALLY work for a three-year old Internet site ?? I know I'm impressed.
:woot
 
I'm not going to argue with you dude. I'm proud of what I do and I know what I'm talking about. If you dont like it, oh well, I guess I'll just have to work that much more to prove myself
 
man you could know everything about every player in College and still get it wrong. Last draft was a real shocker, not so much with Robinson instead of Wilfork but the blockbuster trade with the Titans for Babin for 1/3 our draft. Looks like its worked out to the Texans benefit, the Texans are a better team with Robinson, Babin & Earl than without & thats all that really matters.

keep postng your information and we'll discuss it, however I really think Kipper is a terrific fountain of knowledge a true sports junkie (follows all sports) living the life many of us may be envious of, I say more power to him.

the Texans next draft you can bank on them filling their biggest need 1st, it will interesting speculation to figure out just what that need or position may be & the player that fits the Texans system :twocents:
 
From what I've seen of the team so far this year I'd think our first pick next year will be the best D lineman available when we draft. Not that it's terrible, but I just think we are stronger everywhere else. Plus we still have a lot of banged up knees trying to make it a few more seasons. We need a monster D lineman to stuff the run and pressure the qb right up the middle.
 
texansfan88 said:
I'm not going to argue with you grampa. I'm proud of what I do and I know what I'm talking about. If you dont like it, oh well
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Try demonstrating your knowledge rather than just stating it as fact.
 
you'd think after all of the players mentioned and the sleepers I've mentioned in other posts, that I would have already used my knowledge, I guess not. Maybe I should just stop and let people continually go "I think we need a runningback because domanick got hurt...I think we need a big run stopper but I dont know any of the players that we could possibly get"

I'm just letting people know whats going on, and where we're going to have to be to get these people. If you dont like it, thats fine
 
here is a specific name for you David Pollack DE Georgia a little small for the 3-4 but if the Texans finish 7-8 or maybe even 8-8 this is a case where the BPA applies and its not a stretch that Cappers would make him work in the 3-4 system, thus improving the defensive front with speed & skill. If Corey Webster (LSU) is still available however that would be a tough choice for me. I'm thrilled with Dunta's progress and this kid looks very similar, very quick & atheltic, either way it would upgrade the Texans developing defense.
 
I'm thinking they might go for a CB too, but I'm not sure if they'd go for Webster. I was thinking they might go for a CB in the later rounds of the draft. Glenn doesn't have many years left, but it looks as if Faggins has progressed better than expected and could be a viable #2 CB when Glenn decides to hang it up. I do like what I've seen of Webster though. Too bad LSU isn't having as good of a season as they'd hoped.
 
3-4 defense is not the problem. The players have to perform, whatever system they're in. The coaches have drafted according to the 3-4 and that's fine -- but the players have to perform. Babin is a rookie and will make plenty of rookie mistakes. Not only has he never had to play coverage, he's never had to play coverage IN THE NFL. Containment in the NFL in a 3-4 is vastly different from playing a 4-3 DE in a smaller school (W. Mich.), much less dropping into coverage. Babin has the athletic ability, he just needs to be put in a few more situations where he doesn't have to think so much. Peek has been good in pressuring the QB, but he obviously doesn't have all of the containment/coverage skills that the coaches want, or he'd be in there a lot more. Foreman seems to consistently tackle runners 5-10 yards after the line of scrimmage, but I am not sure how much of that is on him.

IMO, we need a solid ILB to complement Sharper and that will allow the coaches a lot more flexibility on who to play in certain situations. Unfortunately, that lack of depth is what expansion teams have to endure. We're three years in, but even if we'd drafted perfectly up to this point, we still would not have the quality depth that many teams have.
 
eriadoc said:
Babin is a rookie and will make plenty of rookie mistakes.
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I'm still troubled by the Babin selection in the draft. And not because he's making mistakes - he gets that being a down lineman from a non-major college program. Huge, huge adjustments he's got to be processing. I thought this guy was gonna play with the same kind of intensity that this Pollack kid with Georgia does. I don't get that feeling about him. And he seems undersized - he looks to me like he's 'bout 240-245 tops instead of the advertised 260. I know he looked pretty good against SD, but he's seemed to have disappeared since. But still way too early to get a fair read on him. Just
hope he's moving in the right direction and not regressing ?
 
I still am a big fan of Babin, but people must be patient. The Texans knew what they were getting into when they gave up 3 picks for him, but they know that one day it will pay off
 
I can't say that Babin has dissappeared, but I guess I've been watching him more closely than most people. I took a particular interest in him because I hadn't heard much about him coming into the draft, and I originally questioned the move to get him. He's gotten pretty good pressure on the QB in a few games, and I really can't say I've seen him beaten badly in coverage yet. I've been expecting a team to have a field day with him when he's covering a HB or FB or TE, but I can't remember that happening. I know we're not putting him in coverage as often as say Wong or Sharper, but he still hasn't made any major mistakes as of yet. I love Peek's energy and the spark that he brings, but he's apparently struggling with keeping contain and defending the run. Babin looks like he's getting better and better at making his run/pass reads, and he's played well against the run. He also seems to have a good nose for the ball, and I've seen him either in on or near tons of tackles. I really don't think he's regressing, but as someone else stated it's still too early to have a good read on him as a player. From what I've seen he's worth what we gave up for him, but it's still early.
 
A guy that I know could really help us is Jelani Clement, Center/Guard out of Hampton. Right now, there's about 5 teams seriously interested in him as a 3rd-4th round prospect, including one of our division rivals. If McKinney leaves or if we just want depth on the o-line, he would be a great option that has a ton of potential.
 
so basicly if the Texans drafted Jelani Clement mid to late third round they could use the pick aquired from Dallas in the Drew Henson trade, which we all know was really a 6th round pick lol: I'll have to think about it :hehe:
 
seriously what ever happen'ed to Isaac Hilton most draft people thought he was a solid third round prospect, he was from Hampton, drafted but almost Mr. irrevelent being the last pick in the draft by the Giants. I don't see him on their roster anymore did another team pick him up or is he still on their practice roster?

Hampton does have a solid offensive line coach & produced several solid NFL prospects but seems a stretch to take a MAC player early as the 3rd round. idonno:
 
texasguy346 said:
All I'm saying is that at this point in the season none of us have any better idea as to where the Texans are going than anyone else. This thread is simply to get people's thoughts about what we need in the draft. It's an opinion, and nothing more. People are stating players they like, and think would be a good fit. If you don't agree with them, then simply state who you think would fit. No reason to say they don't know what they're talkin about. At this point in the season your guess is as good as anyone elses because none of us are going to be in the Texans' draft room on draft day. Have fun with it, and question their reasoning. Perhaps it was an innocent remark or an attempt at a joke, but that's what everyone's responding too.
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I agree besides it fun to do the what if's. I go brain numb during the off season because no one on radio or news papers offer much. Yet the fans I talk to want that dialogue. You are also right about the war room on draft day. To my knowledge, only Lance Zerline is claiming to have picked Babin at the second pick. :thumbup
 
texansfan88 said:
For those that dont feel we have a good #2 (which might change by the end of the year), these will be good #2s to AJ

Geoff McArthur, Cal
J.R. Russell, Louisville
Roydell Williams, Tulane
Brandon Rideau, Kansas
Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue
Josh Davis, Marshall
Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M
Craig Bragg, UCLA

I would bet that one of these guys will be a Texan if Bradford leaves. These guys should be available in the 3rd round and have a ton of value
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Do you see any @ a higher quality that may be available @ second round or would you hold off until 3rd? Don't we have two picks in second? One from Dallas for Hensen? Or did one of those go for Hollings in supplemental? If Armstrong does what I hope, we could use that draft pick for another position like safety of Dline. Also, if Bradford steps up the last 12 games AND agrees to sign a reasonable new contract do we offer him a job? :popcorn:
 
Meloy said:
Do you see any @ a higher quality that may be available @ second round or would you hold off until 3rd? Don't we have two picks in second? One from Dallas for Hensen? Or did one of those go for Hollings in supplemental? If Armstrong does what I hope, we could use that draft pick for another position like safety of Dline. Also, if Bradford steps up the last 12 games AND agrees to sign a reasonable new contract do we offer him a job? :popcorn:
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We got a third for Hensen and we used last year's 2nd for Hollings.
 
texansfan88 said:
A guy that I know could really help us is Jelani Clement, Center/Guard out of Hampton. Right now, there's about 5 teams seriously interested in him as a 3rd-4th round prospect, including one of our division rivals. If McKinney leaves or if we just want depth on the o-line, he would be a great option that has a ton of potential.
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Just received this morning an email from Charlie Pallilo concerning drafting a center in lower rounds. He thought Fred Weary or Todd Washington would be the choice after McKinney leaves. Said Weary has some center skills. He also agreed 1st round D tackle & 2nd round receiver or another D tackle depending on players available.
 
I think we need to go offensive line in the first round. Defensive line in the second round. Depending on how Joppru does this year maybe tight end in the 3rd round.
 
Zereque (sp?) used to be good in college. It didn't surprise me one bit that he had himself a little 100 yard day.
 
beerlover said:
seriously what ever happen'ed to Isaac Hilton most draft people thought he was a solid third round prospect, he was from Hampton, drafted but almost Mr. irrevelent being the last pick in the draft by the Giants. I don't see him on their roster anymore did another team pick him up or is he still on their practice roster?

Hampton does have a solid offensive line coach & produced several solid NFL prospects but seems a stretch to take a MAC player early as the 3rd round. idonno:
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Hampton is in the MEAC, not the MAC

Jelani is a special talent and teams know that. Thats why they're already as high on them as they are.
 
Meloy said:
Just received this morning an email from Charlie Pallilo concerning drafting a center in lower rounds. He thought Fred Weary or Todd Washington would be the choice after McKinney leaves. Said Weary has some center skills. He also agreed 1st round D tackle & 2nd round receiver or another D tackle depending on players available.
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ask pallilo if he even knows a single DT in the draft...if we have an 8-8 season, theres going to be no way we get Antaaj Hawthorne.
 
Meloy said:
Do you see any @ a higher quality that may be available @ second round or would you hold off until 3rd? Don't we have two picks in second? One from Dallas for Hensen? Or did one of those go for Hollings in supplemental? If Armstrong does what I hope, we could use that draft pick for another position like safety of Dline. Also, if Bradford steps up the last 12 games AND agrees to sign a reasonable new contract do we offer him a job? :popcorn:
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To be honest, Geoff McArthur might be a late 1st rounder. It all depends on what juniors come out. If Mike Williams, Chris Henry, and Martin Nance all come out, it'll make it easier to hold off. This is a great wide receiver class much like last years, so no reason to rush
 
I can actually see the Texans going middle linebacker with the first pick if Odell Thurman, junior out of Georgia declares and is there. Great power and speed. Has a knack of getting to the ball. Reminds me of a young Ray Lewis
 
texansfan88 said:
I can actually see the Texans going middle linebacker with the first pick if Odell Thurman, junior out of Georgia declares and is there. Great power and speed. Has a knack of getting to the ball. Reminds me of a young Ray Lewis
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GOOD PICK, I WAS THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES :thumbup

Lets assume the Texans finish 8-8 and therefore select mid 1st round would Odell's teammate @ Georgia DE David Pollack still be avialable? This would address the Texans need for a premier rushing end & if Cassrly could pull off another Babin'ish trade up grab Odell as well :headbang:
 
I don't know where Pollack will go in the draft. He's an obvious first rounder, but he won't impress at the combine because he's not a "workout warrior." As for Odell, he has a history of getting in trouble. So, buyer beware.
 
I feel like its still too early to be looking at the defense saying it needs more help when there are 3 rookies starting. Offensive line is the only position where we do not have a pro bowler, former pro bowler, or potential pro bowler, or rookie starter.
 
wags said:
I don't know where Pollack will go in the draft. He's an obvious first rounder, but he won't impress at the combine because he's not a "workout warrior." As for Odell, he has a history of getting in trouble. So, buyer beware.
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Pollack reminds of Babin or Babin reminds of Pollack. Effort players with multiple pass rush moves who are productive colege players but could be 'tweenrs in the NFL. Of course, if Pollack had been drafted where Babin was, we would have all been more comfortable with a SEC player versus a MAC player in the first.
 
wags said:
I don't know where Pollack will go in the draft. He's an obvious first rounder, but he won't impress at the combine because he's not a "workout warrior." As for Odell, he has a history of getting in trouble. So, buyer beware.
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your right about the combine so this would only assist him falling down further on the draft board than warranted to the Texans (8-8). From all acounts he is a student of the game "not a workout warrior" and I think he would add a nice blend of balance to the current roster. He adjusts during the game, remembers his opponents tendancys & recovers to make a difference behind the line. Odell I'm not as familar with from last year (injured) but from what I've seen this year he may be the most complete inside linebacker in the country, a nice complimnent to Babin for the future & with Pollack an existing working understanding. I would give the Texans mad props if they could pull this off, we'll just have to wait & see.
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right now, if the draft was held today, i have him going #22 to Jacksonville. Again, this is as the current standings are after week 4.
 
texansfan88 said:
right now, if the draft was held today, i have him going #22 to Jacksonville. Again, this is as the current standings are after week 4.
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thats just one more reason to consider taking him, the last thing I want to see is a Carr Pollack Pancake :soldier:
 
From all acounts he is a student of the game "not a workout warrior"
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well he is the only player at georgia with a key to the weight room. and if you don't consider a 700lb squat a semblence of a "workout warrior", i don't know what is. pollack is beast. info's from the august issue of ESPN magazine.
 
CyberTexan said:
We have no run defense , we need to ditch this 3-4 Defense and get a 1st round run stopping DT from the draft , this is rediculous , a HB like Zereoue or however its spelled should not be gettin yards like this .
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This is how you felt last October?
 
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