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Troy Smith a Texan

Troy Smith would be a great addition to the team, especially if you are grooming out Carr. But I don't think it would happen. I think Kubiak wants one more year with him, especially a year where he isn't behind a depleted line. I could see Benson coming here, if he didn't have so many off-the-field issues. The Texans front office doesn't care for off-the-field issues, and I applaud them. It makes getting the high-caliber team a harder goal, but it is something that can still be achieved. I think a center and a safety/cornerback are the big needs, and in fact, I could see a lot of happy longhorn fans when the Texans pick up Aaron Ross in the first round.
 
OSQ said:
Troy Smith would be a great addition to the team, especially if you are grooming out Carr. But I don't think it would happen. I think Kubiak wants one more year with him, especially a year where he isn't behind a depleted line. I could see Benson coming here, if he didn't have so many off-the-field issues. The Texans front office doesn't care for off-the-field issues, and I applaud them. It makes getting the high-caliber team a harder goal, but it is something that can still be achieved. I think a center and a safety/cornerback are the big needs, and in fact, I could see a lot of happy longhorn fans when the Texans pick up Aaron Ross in the first round.
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Ross will be doing well if he goes in the second round, why would we spend a top 10 pick on the guy?
 
ToroRojo said:
A Vince Young comes along once in a lifetime. He was a badass at Madison, a badass at UT, and he is turning into a badass in Tenessee The asinine and myopic management of the Texans has managed to garner fans for the franchise that left us in the cold while alienating there own fan base. Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the situation is that a man of McNair's apparent business acumen could not make the simplest decision for his own franchise. I am convinced that McNair choose Carr and certainly Casserly didn't admit any fault. The Texans will surely improve under Kubiak, who is a fine coach and mind, but unfortunately they will be doing so while watching a hometown and state hero explode in the NFL as it's biggest star. This a wound so deep that I wonder if the Texans will be able to mend it or make the rest of the nation forget their ignorance.

And for all of you who denigrated and disparaged Vince Young, well, I'll let VY handle you twice a year for the next 15. I feel bad for the players of Houston, who right now are wondering what if they had drafted Vince Young? I suppose we are left with a similar query ourselves and the answer is painfully obvious.

BTW, Troy Smith is a fine quarterback, but VY is special beyond measure.
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Once in a lifetime? More like once every few years. Vince appears to be headed to a fine career, but it's not as if he's going to light the whole NFL world on fire. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, etc... they are all very good QBs. Is it possible for VY to be better than all of them? Yes, but he's not going to revolutionize the game. He's a great talent, but he's not a type of guy that comes once in a lifetime. Lawrence Taylor comes once in a lifetime. Not Vince Young.
 
OSQ said:
Troy Smith would be a great addition to the team, especially if you are grooming out Carr. But I don't think it would happen. I think Kubiak wants one more year with him, especially a year where he isn't behind a depleted line. I could see Benson coming here, if he didn't have so many off-the-field issues. The Texans front office doesn't care for off-the-field issues, and I applaud them. It makes getting the high-caliber team a harder goal, but it is something that can still be achieved. I think a center and a safety/cornerback are the big needs, and in fact, I could see a lot of happy longhorn fans when the Texans pick up Aaron Ross in the first round.
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You can go back as far as you want to go...ButEVERY player the Texans have picked has been a squeeky clean guy. There as about as far away from Cinci organization as you can get. That is why the Weary deal with the cop was so outrageous. I wasn't there, but my money goes on Fred. I know Fred. I don't know the cop.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Who thinks this is possible? Troy throws better than Vince Young (at least he did in college) and can run just as fast as Vince Young. I think we should draft him (also knowing that Darren McFadden won't be coming out this year). I think we could pick up Cedric Benson from Chicago with our second round picC, so we would have our running game intact there. We can do defense with the rest of our picCs. Who agrees with me?
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Ummmm WHAT?

Troy smith is barely 5'11. Great WR's. He's not a runner. he's a pocket QB who has SOME scrambling ability.

Benson? Big contract. Hasn't shown a ounce of ability to run. Sounds like your making another P-Buc trade. 2nd round????
 
lol, troy smith is going to be an ok qb at best iin the nfl. he'll be lucky if he's not switched to wr. no to taking troy smith or any qb in the first or 2nd round.
 
Here's my hope: we lose out, get the number one draft pick some how, trade it for two first rounders, and draft joe thomas/laron landry and troy smith
 
Ckw5814 said:
Here's my hope: we lose out, get the number one draft pick some how, trade it for two first rounders, and draft joe thomas/laron landry and troy smith
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the problems is that if we were to land #1, which we dont want, the patriots are the only team with two #1's. 23ish and 28ish. That isn't enough value for #1 overall.
 
Janus3 said:
and if they were going to take a qb early, the obvious is jamarcus russell.
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I'm one of Jamarcus's biggest fans on this MB, but how do you even know he is declaring. He needs one more year of college ball because his pocket presence and "it" factor really haven't been prevelant this year or last year. Those are the knocks on him. He rushes, similar to Carr now, and makes a bad choice. He has all the physical tools like Carr did, but he needs more patience and he needs to work on his overall awareness and presence on the field.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Ummmm WHAT?

Troy smith is barely 5'11. Great WR's. He's not a runner. he's a pocket QB who has SOME scrambling ability.

Benson? Big contract. Hasn't shown a ounce of ability to run. Sounds like your making another P-Buc trade. 2nd round????
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Smith is listed as 6'. Drew Brees is listed as 6' and he's on the way to another pro bowl this year. So, 6' QB's are not doomed to failure as you imply.
 
kastofsna said:
whoever drafts troy smith will be very happy.
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You seem to be pretty high on Brady Quinn and Troy Smith....

I think both will be good players....But honestly I don't think either is worth a first rounder....I don't think there is a QB in this draft that is worth a first rd. pick....

I like Troy Smith, but I want to see him deal with some adversity(on the field) before I crown him....

And Brady Quinn is way overhyped...period...
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Ummmm WHAT?

Troy smith is barely 5'11. Great WR's. He's not a runner. he's a pocket QB who has SOME scrambling ability.

Benson? Big contract. Hasn't shown a ounce of ability to run. Sounds like your making another P-Buc trade. 2nd round????
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Andre Johnson, Eric Moulds, and Owen Daniels could be his good recievers. Also, Drew Brees is six foot. He also has over 4,000 passing yards this season. Troy will do fine here, if he comes. Then spend a second rounder on Benson. Benson is a good RB.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You seem to be pretty high on Brady Quinn and Troy Smith....

I think both will be good players....But honestly I don't think either is worth a first rounder....I don't think there is a QB in this draft that is worth a first rd. pick....

I like Troy Smith, but I want to see him deal with some adversity(on the field) before I crown him....

And Brady Quinn is way overhyped...period...
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brady quinn is a prototypical QB. and he has tons of success in a pro-style system already. a 35/5 ratio is absurd. he may be "overhyped" but so is any notre dame QB. clearly deserving of a top 10 pick. all the tools, all the intangibles.

smith's only knock is height. other than that, he's a franchise QB. strong arm, accurate, makes great decisions, GREAT at improvisation when the play breaks down, great outside of the pocket, and he plays in a pro-style, balanced offense to boot. he has two good receivers, but he still manages to deal the ball around to everyone. he doesn't focus on one guy. really no reason at all to think he won't succeed in the NFL.
 
kastofsna said:
smith's only knock is height. other than that, he's a franchise QB. strong arm, accurate, makes great decisions, GREAT at improvisation when the play breaks down, great outside of the pocket, and he plays in a pro-style, balanced offense to boot. he has two good receivers, but he still manages to deal the ball around to everyone. he doesn't focus on one guy. really no reason at all to think he won't succeed in the NFL.
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I'm not going to comment on Quinn, because I don't have any real reason other than a gut feeling that he is not going to be that good on the next level....I look at his eyes and he doesn't look like a QB that I'd want leading me on the field...

I think Smith is a better QB than Quinn, but like I said, I don't know how he is going to deal with adversity on the next level...It's easy to play when you have the best of the best around you, and things are pretty much always going your way....But I would like to see him play with his back against the wall....I think his head is in the right place, I love his throwing ability, good mobility....BUT the very same thing could have been said about a lot of QB's that weren't too good in the pros....

I think he can have success, but he's going to have to be in the right situation...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think Smith is a better QB than Quinn, but like I said, I don't know how he is going to deal with adversity on the next level...It's easy to play when you have the best of the best around you, and things are pretty much always going your way....But I would like to see him play with his back against the wall....I think his head is in the right place, I love his throwing ability, good mobility....BUT the very same thing could have been said about a lot of QB's that weren't too good in the pros....
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he's dealt with nothing BUT adversity his entire career.
 
kastofsna said:
he's dealt with nothing BUT adversity his entire career.
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Off the field adversity is not what I'm talking about...

Im talking about being an underdog and beating a team that is supposed to maul you....

Im talking about bringing your team back from a sizeable deficit....

Those types of things.....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Off the field adversity is not what I'm talking about...

Im talking about being an underdog and beating a team that is supposed to maul you....

Im talking about bringing your team back from a sizeable deficit....

Those types of things.....
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I think Smith was an underdog when he first got to OSU. He was returning kicks and playing RB. I don't think many expected him to beat out the golden boy Zwick and then lead the buckeyes to a championship after winning the Heisman. He's had a pretty amazing run at OSU.
 
JDizzle said:
I think Smith was an underdog when he first got to OSU. He was returning kicks and playing RB. I don't think many expected him to beat out the golden boy Zwick and then lead the buckeyes to a championship after winning the Heisman. He's had a pretty amazing run at OSU.
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I don't mean that kind of pressure....And that's not even really pressure...

Im talking about being down and having to lead your team back, or being in a close game and having to make one play that seals the deal....

I've yet to see Smith do this...Quinn, yes...Smith, No....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What?!

Im not going to honor that comment with a response.
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well, it's true. both had great talent around them and were never a real underdog and had to make a huge comeback or anything. sure, texas was an underdog to USC, but they were a better team, so just because the public felt that way doesn't make it accurate.
 
kastofsna said:
well, it's true. both had great talent around them and were never a real underdog and had to make a huge comeback or anything. sure, texas was an underdog to USC, but they were a better team, so just because the public felt that way doesn't make it accurate.
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Leinart was a beast for two years strong....He also had close games where he had to make game winning drives, and game winning plays...(Notre Dame is one that comes to mind) Smith has never been in this situation and won....

I can name numerous accounts of VY showing up, and I really never thought I'd be debating VY's clutch ability VS. Troy Smith's .....There really is no contest when it comes to making big plays in big games when comparing Smith vs VY or ML....I really don't see how you can argue that...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm not going to comment on Quinn, because I don't have any real reason other than a gut feeling that he is not going to be that good on the next level....I look at his eyes and he doesn't look like a QB that I'd want leading me on the field...
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I see Quinn being another David Carr. Good measurables, not much instinct.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
the problems is that if we were to land #1, which we dont want, the patriots are the only team with two #1's. 23ish and 28ish. That isn't enough value for #1 overall.
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Good, educated reply. Honestly, I'm not a hige Troy Smith fan but I think one thing we have learned is heart plays a big part. A so-so athlete with a lot of heart can do a lot. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have any heart, you're not going to be a winner. Troy Smith has heart and has shown he has talent. Can this be a good formula for the Texans?
 
the way I see it.. if we get a guy with all the intangibles (leadership, instinct), and a good measure of the athleticism (footspeed, arm strength, accuracy)

Then Kubiak can make him a star. I have alot of faith in Kubiaks ability to make a QB good.. and I dont see why a guy like Troy Smith wouldnt shine under his tutalege.
 
Riddle me this.
Why we gotta take the little man
When we coulda had the big man?
Just saying.

No, if we can't get VY, I want the next great one and am
willing to wait a season before drafting or signing him as a
free agent. Brady Quinn does nothing for me, as does Smith
No way I spend a high pick on a QBwith where this team is.
If the Texans had a good QBthis year, I say a few of these
last minute loses turn into wins and we are singing an entirely
different tune here. This team, believe it or not, is not that
far off from being at least respectable. How many games were
they ahead late? Easily a 500 team, albeit a weak one.
 
The key word is "coulda".. cant get VY now, so why pine over him?

Who is the next great one that we would be waiting a year for?
 
TexanFan881 said:
We can get quality offensive lineman in the later rounds. We don't need to spend a pick early on one. This draft will be deep with offensive lineman. We got two solid lineman in Eric Winston and Charles Spencer in the third round. I think we got there again in the third and fourth rounds again this year. But I would be disappointed to use a pick on a lineman in the first round when we have a shot to get someone like Adrian Peterson.
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I don't see any OL that warrant first round selections at this point either but the say that we have solid lineman in Winston (who got manhandled by Burgess two weeks ago) and Spencer who has like half a game of experience is a bit of a stretch. I think a second round pick on OL is nessecary but this years draft seems a little less clear cut than last year for sure. I'm for a young, strong running Adrian Peterson in round one and a strong OL in round two and QB in round three.
 
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