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Troy Smith a Texan

GuerillaBlack

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Who thinks this is possible? Troy throws better than Vince Young (at least he did in college) and can run just as fast as Vince Young. I think we should draft him (also knowing that Darren McFadden won't be coming out this year). I think we could pick up Cedric Benson from Chicago with our second round picC, so we would have our running game intact there. We can do defense with the rest of our picCs. Who agrees with me?

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Not I!!!

Troy Smith won't be there. If he is, there is a reason. Cedric Benson? I am not so sure about him.
 
im all for it, the only thing is Benson has a pretty big contract, but i like the troy smith idea, the ony thing is we need so much help at over positions to, so i wanna see how everythin plays out before april 29th before i say anything else
 
If he falls to the 2nd round, I'd take him. I don't think he's as good as Vince Young, but he's pretty close.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Who thinks this is possible? Troy throws better than Vince Young (at least he did in college) and can run just as fast as Vince Young. I think we should draft him (also knowing that Darren McFadden won't be coming out this year). I think we could pick up Cedric Benson from Chicago with our second round picC, so we would have our running game intact there. We can do defense with the rest of our picCs. Who agrees with me?
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Smith is good but I dont think he is near the talent level of Young.

Smith is nowhere near Young as a runner even though he has good speed.

And I think that Young was a better passer in college than Smith was.

Keep in mind that the skill position players at Ohio St are way better than what Texas had last year.

And Vince still threw for 3000 yds. Smith will need 500 yds in the championship game if he wants to do that.
 
im going to sound like a total ***** but i doubt that this franchise wants the face of the team to be a black QB that is why we passed up on vince we wont draft troy smith if we do draft a QB it will be a white QB
 
Troy Smith is not VY, and I would hate for the Texans to draft him because Houston fans would expect so much out of him.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
im going to sound like a total ***** but i doubt that this franchise wants the face of the team to be a black QB that is why we passed up on vince we wont draft troy smith if we do draft a QB it will be a white QB
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That is what my dad had said today, but I don't think that is true. Warren Moon did it in Houston.
 
No way we get Cedric Benson. I still think the Bears want to keep him. And I don't want him, I'd be happier if we kept Ron Dayne.

I like the idea of Adrian Peterson in the first round, and Troy Smith hopefully falls to the second round and we get him.

Our defense is really playing well with a bunch of young guys and a bunch of starters out. At the end of that game we were playing our #1, #4, and #5 corners with Lewis Sanders, Demarcus Faggins, and you can even count Chris McKenzie in there even though we haven't seen much of him. And on top of that we've got 4 DL out. And they're still playing well. Our defense will be strong next year. It's time to focus on offense.

I think we're a QB and a RB away from being a very competitive team.
 
My prediction:

Ohio State falls back by 17 points in the third quarter vs. Florida

Troy Smith leads them back for a win and a national title.

*checks message board*

DRAFT TROY SMITH
TROY SMITH IS GOD
GOODBYE DAVID CARR
BETTER THAN VINCE?!




Oh God. :hides:
 
whoever said the texans dont want the face of the franchise to be a black qb is an *****! their best player is black, so is their 2nd and 3rd...well all of their best players are black! dont bring racism into the argument plz.
 
Our O-Line is bad because of injuries. If we can't get Benson from Chicago, we should try and picC up someone in free agency. Maybe we can try and pull in Rhodes from Indy.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Does anyone care about building a top 16 o-line?
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I do...been banging that first round drum for five years. I feel like a prophet in the desert. Where the heck is that honey and bugs at ?


I guess seeing the smurf getting crushed behind our line would make much beter entertainment than seeing the west coast guy getting crushed ? Good Grief.

Maybe they make up the diff by selling Smith Voo-Doo dolls with the pins included. Bring them to the game, fun for the whole family.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Does anyone care about building a top 16 o-line?
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We can get quality offensive lineman in the later rounds. We don't need to spend a pick early on one. This draft will be deep with offensive lineman. We got two solid lineman in Eric Winston and Charles Spencer in the third round. I think we got there again in the third and fourth rounds again this year. But I would be disappointed to use a pick on a lineman in the first round when we have a shot to get someone like Adrian Peterson.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
im going to sound like a total ***** but i doubt that this franchise wants the face of the team to be a black QB that is why we passed up on vince we wont draft troy smith if we do draft a QB it will be a white QB
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Like a few others have said, thats ridiculous. The owner(s)/management might be biased towards "good guys" but in NO way do I think they are racist.
 
TexanFan881 said:
We can get quality offensive lineman in the later rounds. We don't need to spend a pick early on one. This draft will be deep with offensive lineman. We got two solid lineman in Eric Winston and Charles Spencer in the third round. I think we got there again in the third and fourth rounds again this year. But I would be disappointed to use a pick on a lineman in the first round when we have a shot to get someone like Adrian Peterson.
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Don't make the mistake of thinking O-linemen aren't worth super high draft picks. Some great teams have been built by patiently building through the draft taking superior offensive linemen at top 5 spots....

The Oilers of the late 80's and early 90's were built this way. That team never won the Super Bowl as we all are so painfully aware, but they did have a long run of playoff appearances...
 
IshouldbeGM said:
whoever said the texans dont want the face of the franchise to be a black qb is an *****! their best player is black, so is their 2nd and 3rd...well all of their best players are black! dont bring racism into the argument plz.
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i said the face of the franchise meaning the QB i never ever in my life stated no black players in general:stirpot:
 
TexanFan881 said:
We can get quality offensive lineman in the later rounds. We don't need to spend a pick early on one. This draft will be deep with offensive lineman. We got two solid lineman in Eric Winston and Charles Spencer in the third round. I think we got there again in the third and fourth rounds again this year. But I would be disappointed to use a pick on a lineman in the first round when we have a shot to get someone like Adrian Peterson.
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Franchise LT's don't come around all that often. When they do, they usually go in the first round.

Joe Thomas is just what the doctor ordered.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Our O-Line is bad because of injuries.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! So I guess our actual starters have been injured ever since we actually became a team?

Also, for the guy who said we can get o-lineman in the later rounds. You can get pretty much any player in the later rounds. Check out which o-lineman go to the pro bowl every year. More often than not it is gonna be a 1st round o-lineman, and there is a reason to that.

There are quality players to be had in every round in the draft, heck even out of the draft undrafted guys can step up and become big time players. But in the 1st round the safe way to go is o-line, something we've never decided to draft in the 1st in our five year history. Maybe that's a reason our o-line is less than stellar?
 
in regards to the "he's not vince young" comments.. please, lets not turn VY into a god.

We need to replace Carr..best way to do that is to draft a young QB and let Kubiak groom him. Thats gonna be difficult to do if yall sit around pining for vince like a gaggle of 13 year old girls.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
im going to sound like a total ***** but i doubt that this franchise wants the face of the team to be a black QB that is why we passed up on vince we wont draft troy smith if we do draft a QB it will be a white QB
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Race should not be in a discussion. It is so far beyond amazing that anyone could even post this.


Neg Rep for even posting this.
 
A Vince Young comes along once in a lifetime. He was a badass at Madison, a badass at UT, and he is turning into a badass in Tenessee The asinine and myopic management of the Texans has managed to garner fans for the franchise that left us in the cold while alienating there own fan base. Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the situation is that a man of McNair's apparent business acumen could not make the simplest decision for his own franchise. I am convinced that McNair choose Carr and certainly Casserly didn't admit any fault. The Texans will surely improve under Kubiak, who is a fine coach and mind, but unfortunately they will be doing so while watching a hometown and state hero explode in the NFL as it's biggest star. This a wound so deep that I wonder if the Texans will be able to mend it or make the rest of the nation forget their ignorance.

And for all of you who denigrated and disparaged Vince Young, well, I'll let VY handle you twice a year for the next 15. I feel bad for the players of Houston, who right now are wondering what if they had drafted Vince Young? I suppose we are left with a similar query ourselves and the answer is painfully obvious.

BTW, Troy Smith is a fine quarterback, but VY is special beyond measure.
 
ToroRojo said:
A Vince Young comes along once in a lifetime. He was a badass at Madison, a badass at UT, and he is turning into a badass in Tenessee The asinine and myopic management of the Texans has managed to garner fans for the franchise that left us in the cold while alienating there own fan base. Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the situation is that a man of McNair's apparent business acumen could not make the simplest decision for his own franchise. I am convinced that McNair choose Carr and certainly Casserly didn't admit any fault. The Texans will surely improve under Kubiak, who is a fine coach and mind, but unfortunately they will be doing so while watching a hometown and state hero explode in the NFL as it's biggest star. This a wound so deep that I wonder if the Texans will be able to mend it or make the rest of the nation forget their ignorance.

And for all of you who denigrated and disparaged Vince Young, well, I'll let VY handle you twice a year for the next 15. I feel bad for the players of Houston, who right now are wondering what if they had drafted Vince Young/ I suppose we are left with a similar query ourselves.

BTW, Troy Smith is a fine quarterback, but VY is special beyond measure.
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I bet you wake up in a cold sweat every night, thinking about all the minutes that go by without Vince Young holding you in his manly embrace.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Our O-Line is bad because of injuries. If we can't get Benson from Chicago, we should try and picC up someone in free agency. Maybe we can try and pull in Rhodes from Indy.
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Our o-line is bad because they reached on no tallent fa's for five years. Would that be free agents like Tucker, Wade and Boselli ?


So I don't have to post again...look up the late rounds. You've got two and a half guys over five years that are decent via the draft. I mean I know there's a new sheriff in town, but don't ya think the 75% attrition rate with this club on o-lineman has anything to do with taking the crap shoot guys on day two of the draft ? Just saying there. What ya think ? Maybe...maybe might have something to do with it ? Maybe the reason this o-line suxs so bad ? Just might be the tallent level of the guys ? Maybe ?
 
There are more starting linemen in this league that were taken on day 2 of the draft, than on day 1.

Olinemen are a 2nd day pick. LTs are first day picks.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Also, why not try and get Ladell Betts from Washington if Benson from Chicago, or Rhodes from Indy is not possible.
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Yeah maybe Earl will come out of retirement. When are you guys going to get it ? One cut and go. Period. If he lived with this group, he's not going to throw away picks on someone elses garbage.
 
Betts re-signed with Washington. Benson is Ricky Williams reborn, and Rhodes... well.. Indi doesnt have a very hot running game as it is, I dont want thier backup.. he isnt likely to be better than who we have.

Fact of the matter is Dayne Gado and Lundy arent a bad trio.. given that they have a line to run behind. Lundy has shown a lack of vision lately though.
 
Grid said:
I bet you wake up in a cold sweat every night, thinking about all the minutes that go by without Vince Young holding you in his manly embrace.
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Grid, I cannot deny that I have a man crush on VY. But so does every other jackass that likes playmakers, leaders, winners, champions, hometown heroes, and official badasses. BTW, I usually don't wake up in a cold sweat when I think about VY, it's more like a warm, fuzzy feeling in his embrace; like a security blanket. Could have done the same for you, if only he were a Texan.
 
Grid said:
As you said.. we wasted our time signing worthless FAs for 3 years.

Spencer and Winston are the first of our 2nd day olinemen.
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I don't mind them taking flyers on guys. However, I think this club has reached critcal mass. The time to gamble on guys is pretty much gone. I agree on interior guys and centers. I believe OLT is still a critacal need. Winston looked just fine today. He's going to get beat some till he gets up to speed. TBS, with this group that is on the board...and I know Thomas is gone by the time we pick...I think it is foolish to see them all go off the board again. We wait untill the third ...too much luck for my tastes. We were damned lucky at 65 & 66 last year.
 
We definitely need help on the oline and in the secondary. The draft this year was excellent, but it kills me we lost Spencer at LT. Thomas might be gone, but if we continue our current play, anybody might be available.
 
If he is there in the second, possibly. I would not trade any players to get him, and I would not take him in the first. But in the second, maybe. I think he is a better passer than Young.
 
TheRealJoker said:
By 2nd day dont you mean 1st day?
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Good point. What i meant was that 3rd round and later are the "Olinemen rounds".. i was in a hurry to finish my post and didnt think it through, I was classifying all of those picks as "second day"..and obviously, the 3rd round is on the first day :D.

The time to gamble on guys is pretty much gone.
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Fact of the matter is that you are probably gambling just as much on any Olineman you pick up in FA. You dont find good olinemen in free agency very often, and if you do, they are usually ancient. People dont let good olinemen go. There are those rare occurances though, like that Guard from Seattle that Minnesota signed last offseason.. but you saw how much of a fiasco that was.

All the best Olines in the league are home grown. You draft your own talent (again, mostly 3rd-7th round picks) and you groom them over the course of a couple seasons.
 
TexanFan881 said:
We can get quality offensive lineman in the later rounds. We don't need to spend a pick early on one. This draft will be deep with offensive lineman. We got two solid lineman in Eric Winston and Charles Spencer in the third round. I think we got there again in the third and fourth rounds again this year. But I would be disappointed to use a pick on a lineman in the first round when we have a shot to get someone like Adrian Peterson.
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This folks, is the kind of Texan fan who would cut off their nose to spite their face. We can't get quality linemen who can start now in the later rounds. When Denver employs this draft stratagy, it is because they have veteren starters who are going to play for a few years before those late round picks see the field. Eric Winston is not playing well and will probally be moved to guard, and nobody has an honest idea if Spencer will ever play football again, let alone LT. Why would you be disappointed if we finally plugged a gaping hole that has been present for 5 years in favor of a RB who has yet to stay healthy for a 10 game college schedule? Why would you be disapointed to have a standing QB or even the resemblance of a running game?
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Why do some of you think Troy will drop to the second round? I think he will be picCed in the first by the Texans.
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Because he's six foot tall. No one...Not even Cleveland ...is going to throw several million dollars a year at a six foot smurf QB. TBS...his speed gives him a chance to make it. You guys haven't even seen him throw the Duke yet and you've already got him climing up the boards into a top ten pick. Need to slow down a bit is all. He looks good at the combine and Mr McNair wants to throw 10 million at the QB position in '07...I guess I'm on board. Ten million is an aweful big wall is all I know. IMHO this club has much bigger fish to fry. Pun intended.
 
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