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Travis Johnson v. Derrick Johnson

texan279 said:
Wong (3 games) 26 total tackles, 9 assists, 1 sack

DJ (4 games) 31 total tackles, 4 assists, 1 sack, 1 fumble recovery

I don't know how this organization can go on without DJ...Do some realize we had our LB's in place before the draft? We had already signed Greenwood and do you think anyone anywhere thought that DJ would have fallen to us?
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Well said. It bares repeating... We had our LB's in place before the draft. Why blow your wad on a player that would be considered redundant at that time and not fill a needed role when there were players on the board who did.

Not taking anything away from DJ. The kid is talented. But our D-line would still be without depth or a future, and we'd have another high paid LB working behind what has so far been a marginally effective front 3.
 
:texflag: DJ is a good player but like TJ they are still rookies . Its not like DJ is the best player on the 85 Bears defense .
To call DJ the best at his position is crazy . Some act like he's on the some line as Lawrence Taylor . What if DJ is doing the same as Sharper and making tackles 4 yards up the field . I would take Ware over DJ right now .
 
William.carter said:
Well said. It bares repeating... We had our LB's in place before the draft. Why blow your wad on a player that would be considered redundant at that time and not fill a needed role when there were players on the board who did.

Not taking anything away from DJ. The kid is talented. But our D-line would still be without depth or a future, and we'd have another high paid LB working behind what has so far been a marginally effective front 3.
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This is part of the problem... "we had our linebackers in place before the draft." Their evaluations concluded that they had enough talent at linebacker and they obviously do not.

If they had their LB's in place as you stated, why did they sign Zeke Mereno after the draft? Why did they draft Pettway?
 
the wonger need food said:
This is part of the problem... "we had our linebackers in place before the draft." Their evaluations concluded that they had enough talent at linebacker and they obviously do not.

If they had their LB's in place as you stated, why did they sign Zeke Mereno after the draft? Why did they draft Pettway?
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Using a first on Travis Johnson and then signing/drafting two other LBs tells me they recognized they needed help in both areas. But there was a higher priority in upgrading the defensive line.

Given the players at each position at the time, are you going to argue with this?
 
Huge said:
Using a first on Travis Johnson and then signing/drafting two other LBs tells me they recognized they needed help in both areas. But there was a higher priority in upgrading the defensive line.

Given the players at each position at the time, are you going to argue with this?
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Yes I will.

How many times have we heard the term "playmaker", especially when discussing the LB position in a 3-4. The Texans do not have a playmaker at any 4 of these positions. So your logic is to spend more money on a lineman to essentially clog up the middle when that money could have been spent on someone that makes plays and changes games.

The fact remains that DJ is immediately an impact player, in any system. TJ, is just a fat lineman whose job is to clog up the middle.
 
the wonger need food said:
Yes I will.

How many times have we heard the term "playmaker", especially when discussing the LB position in a 3-4. The Texans do not have a playmaker at any 4 of these positions. So your logic is to spend more money on a lineman to essentially clog up the middle when that money could have been spent on someone that makes plays and changes games.

The fact remains that DJ is immediately an impact player, in any system. TJ, is just a fat lineman whose job is to clog up the middle.
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Based on their college statistics...

Derrick - 19 TFLs, 2 sacks, 8 QB hits
Travis - 18 TFLs, 2.5 sacks, 12 QB hits

How can you say the Texans didn't draft a playmaker along the defensive line? Oh that's right, you've got a ton of history (first 4 weeks of this season) to go on.
 
the wonger need food said:
Derrick Johnson is a possibly one of the best players at his position in just his rookie season. At the same position the Texans sorely need playmakers.

I don't think anything is being contemplated. The point is... management made another personnel mistake. One of many.
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Hmm, he didn't look too good against Denver though, bit on fakes like there were steaks.

And fyi, Odell Thurmann is the best rookie ILB at the moment, not DJ.
 
Huge said:
Gino Toretta was a proven playmaker in college as well.

Should I run down a list of other examples of players that excelled in college but proved that doesn't guarantee anything in the NFL?
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How about a very recent example, Jason White QB at Oklahoma?
 
the wonger need food said:
The fact remains that DJ is immediately an impact player, in any system. TJ, is just a fat lineman whose job is to clog up the middle.
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This must be one of the most stupid comments I've ever read around here.
 
:tv: DJ is the best tackler since Joe Montana :heh: I bet the Texans would be 0 and 3 with DJ .
So anyone come up with a solution . Unless DJ can coach or pick talent he's not the answer . The bad news is thats what we need .
 
the wonger need food said:
Derrick Johnson is a possibly one of the best players at his position in just his rookie season. At the same position the Texans sorely need playmakers.

I don't think anything is being contemplated. The point is... management made another personnel mistake. One of many.
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Your joking right.
the wonger need food said:
Yes I will.

How many times have we heard the term "playmaker", especially when discussing the LB position in a 3-4. The Texans do not have a playmaker at any 4 of these positions. So your logic is to spend more money on a lineman to essentially clog up the middle when that money could have been spent on someone that makes plays and changes games.

The fact remains that DJ is immediately an impact player, in any system. TJ, is just a fat lineman whose job is to clog up the middle.
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Theirs just one problem. That is we already spent millions of dollars on our young linebackers why pay DJ or any of our other linebackers millions to sit onthe bench. Ok your probably thinking that's what we were paying TJ to do any ways but with the injury problems and age of G Walker and S Payne the Texans needed a young angry defensive lineman. Which is exactly what they got. IMO they need to address the dline in next years draft to. hopefully one of the two third round picks.
 
the wonger need food said:
Yes I will.

How many times have we heard the term "playmaker", especially when discussing the LB position in a 3-4. The Texans do not have a playmaker at any 4 of these positions. So your logic is to spend more money on a lineman to essentially clog up the middle when that money could have been spent on someone that makes plays and changes games.
The fact remains that DJ is immediately an impact player, in any system. TJ, is just a fat lineman whose job is to clog up the middle.
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Your playmakers are not going to be making any plays if the dline cant keep the oline off of them.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:tv: DJ is the best tackler since Joe Montana :heh: I bet the Texans would be 0 and 3 with DJ .
So anyone come up with a solution . Unless DJ can coach or pick talent he's not the answer . The bad news is thats what we need .
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Except when he is getting run over by Lamont Jordan right? That play was a snapshot of why some are not all sold on DJ.
 
:texflag: DJ , TJ and Carr are just pawns in the game . Anyone of these players could be really good in the right situation . I'm not sure the Texans are a good situation for anyone exept punters and kickoff returners right now .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I'm not sure the Texans are a good situation for anyone exept punters and kickoff returners right now .
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heck, they can't even get on the field with this team.
 
yah, someone should tell TJ that his "sideways sitting technique" for tackling isn't a good idea to hurt the QB. What was he thinking ? The QB was down for a couple seconds already and then he comes in and hits him/attempts to sit on him but sits too soon and gets winded. He looked as dumb as Capers coaching.
 
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