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Travis Johnson? No one suspected that

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I know nothing about this kid. Can we get some info on him? Ive heard his name but had no idea that we were so high on him.
 
Comes down to us trading derrick jonson for travis johnson and a 3rd rounder next year. can't believe we passed on pollack, spears, clayton, barnes, etc....so many other good options
 
Lmao im speechless, im just sitting here in my chair and contemplating life. I dont know what to think>! Im seriously at a loss for words. Hope he works out for us thats about all that can come to mind. (It took me a good 5 min to write this)
 
Well, he did put up good numbers against top compition, so he can't be that bad. I guess we better start getting use to the fact that his is coming here and DJ isn't.
 
F-minus67 said:
Well, he did put up good numbers against top compition, so he can't be that bad. I guess we better start getting use to the fact that his is coming here and DJ isn't.
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I agree with you!! The Texans didn't need another LB. They needed someone up front to help stop the run. I like the pick!!
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Fletch said:
bullsh*t pick
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Totally agreed. We used our only pick in the first two rounds on that? What about Spears, Clayton, Pollard, White.......and that is all we could think off what a brain fart.
 
TJ had 3 whole sacks last year. He is a one year wonder. He had 3 whole tackles for loss his junior year.

HORRIBLE PICK

Shaun Cody had almost 3 sacks in the orange bowl last year. He rules the back field. We will regret this draft like we have all our 2nd and 3rd round picks.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
I agree with you!! The Texans didn't need another LB. They needed someone up front to help stop the run. I like the pick!!
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thank you, just because he's not a texas boy and doesn't play in the big 12 doesn't mean he's not good. TJ doesnt have big numbers cuz HE'S A HOLE CLOSER. the linebackers get the tackles. Johnson disrupts the play.
 
sucks a**! We'll probably wait 4 more hours for them to draft a kicker in teh 3rd...I'm gonna go get ready for the Rockets game
 
MikeMc said:
Total shocker! Why did they not trade down again? He is probably no better than a 2nd rd pick! OMFG!!
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lol, yeah, he was the #1 DT on many boards with castillo being the one battling him for the top spot, bbut castillo was injured much of last year.
 
TJ had 3 whole sacks last year
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since the 3-4 is supposed to be a sack generating system for the DL :rolleyes:

that being said, i would have prefered spears but in CC i trust...
 
I know a lot of people don't like this pick but he is a big body that will help our horrid rush defense. He fits the 3-4 defense well and in the short time the texans have been a team we have done pretty well in the first round. Give this guy a chance. Last year i wasn't too happy with D-rob and look how he turned out. Now i wonder where we go with our next pick.
 
Wow. We could have traded down to get this guy. I have been @ a loss for words for 10 minutes. I'm glad we addressed d-line, but why not trade down even 3 picks again and get a pick this year. We passed on Clayton, Spears, Pollack, Barron, this list goes on. I hope he is good I don't know a lot about him so I don't want to pass judgement on him yet.
 
you passed up DJ lol we got merriman and i am moooore than happy. TJ was the wrong pick could have gotten him in the second maybe 3rd round
 
c'mon guys. Haven't you learned?
When it comes to CC in the first round it's:
Don't try to predict
Try not to be surprised.
And once the selection is made you shut your mouth, sit on your hands and watch his genius at work in the season.

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Personally, I would have liked to see the texans trade down into the second round.
First because of the tepid condition of the first round in this draft.

Second because of the PB Trade. With this slection, Houston has effectively selected 2 first rounders 2 years in a row. this to me sounds likec guaranteeing a "catch and release" program for our 1st rounders.

Third for the continued need for added depth at the OL/DL positions.
 
Obviously Casserly and Co. have alot of faith in our current LB's. They probably feel Peek will come into his own as well as Babin this year, with Greenwood and Wong being solid in the middle. I agree with this pick, although I didn't see it coming. Our DL is aging, often injured, and hasn't been very productive. For those of you questioning Johnson's numbers, remember a DLineman in a 3-4 scheme's job isn't to get sacks, it's to clog the LOS, and create opportunities for the LB's. If T. Johnson can do that for us, he makes not only our DL better, but every linebacker we have becomes more dangerous. I'm not jumping for joy, but after considering it I think this could work out very well. I wasn't that psyched about Dunta until I actually saw him play...
 
Okay I've calmed down.

We need help BIGTIME in the trenches and we all know it. Our D line is injured every year and this will only make our secondary look very good because he's gonna occupy 2 O linemen.

Remember the phrase...show me a great secondary and I'll show you an even better D line. We've taken a step in the right direction.
 
well maybe he can be in the rotation and give a good pass rush. I was surprised at first but this means Peeks is your starter. I wonder if the Texans arent sure about Paynes knee. I will try to be optimistic about this pick.
 
Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas Grade
The Chiefs had to go defense, and Johnson fills that need. The problem with him is that he is a run-around defender, a guy who doesn't take on blocks. Is he tough enough to be a star in the NFL? That's the question many scouts have about Johnson. C

EXACTLY
 
SDBoltz said:
you passed up DJ lol we got merriman and i am moooore than happy. TJ was the wrong pick could have gotten him in the second maybe 3rd round
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Didn't you guys REALLY want Ware and had to watch Dallas steal him away because Grandpa Schotttenheimer was afraid to trade up :listening
 
royce1054 said:
well maybe he can be in the rotation and give a good pass rush. I was surprised at first but this means Peeks is your starter. I wonder if the Texans arent sure about Paynes knee. I will try to be optimistic about this pick.
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You bring up a good point with Payne's knee and other injury. If we got the best DT on the board, then I can't help but be happy although I wasn't a few seconds ago. There are still some good receivers in the draft and running backs as well, the question is who do we pick now........in the 3rd?
 
On another note, gaining a 3rd was a great move (if TJ was who we targeted, which it seemed like). The whole Orlando Pace deal made NO worried that we and CAR would pick up the two OT's.
 
Dont know if this was mentioned, but weren't a lot of people knocking Richard Seymour when he was drafted because he only had like 3 sacks the season before the draft? Give the guy a chance to play.
 
Can't say I wasn't surprised by the pick at the time, but we all knew going in that we needed help on the D-line and we just picked up the highest rated DT in the draft. Not a glam type of pick, but I think a good one that addressed a REAL need with a top rated player. Hard to ask for more.
 
Was it just me or did the Texans lose two of their top LBs from last year, not DL! This guy better be the next coming of Casey Hampton for the 3-4 defense, because why else draft him (or any DL for a 3-4 D) in the first rd?

Genius of Casserly?

2002 - David Carr - (Has yet to prove his worth, after 3 years...a bust!)

2003 - Andre Johnson - (great pick - obvious pick as well, Rogers was rated #1 WR?)

2004 - Dunta Robinson - (great addition and top "need" for aging secondary)

2004 - Jason Babin - (4 sacks, whoopie do!)

2005 - Travis Johnson - we'll have to wait and see. Depth needed on DL, but 1st rd pick?
 
Mike Mc:

You've never played football before have you?

After calling Carr a bust and mocking Babin as a rookie, you need some serious help. Calm down and realize that CC has built this team the right way. Calm down.
 
My expectations for our '05-'06 sack numbers are rising quickly. With Peek becoming a full-time starter, Babin having some experience at OLB, Buchanon there to help by the pass rushers time, and now TJ to take up more blockers, there's no excuse for not improving our status as a bad pass rushing team.
 
I am at an absolute loss for words. Sure we already have a bunch of linebackers but Derrick Johnson is good enough to anchor your defense around for several years to come. Almost everyone wanted him but didn't think he'd fall to us, then he did and we traded him away for a future third round pick and a decent DT. I was at the draft party and about half of the people got up and left as soon as we traded the pick away, and everyone else left amidst a shower of boos after we made our pick. After DJ was taken I don't know who would have been a good pick. They liked Pollack previously but that doesn't make much sense due to the fact he'd be playing the exact role that we brought Babin in to play last year, albeit he could probably do a better job of it. Travis Johnson doesn't make a whole lot of sense given that we just resigned Seth Payne for $22 million, which I also don't understand, but we are obviously committed to go with him for now. I couldn't have argued with drafting Clayton to get a third good receiver or with Spears as a big DE since Gary Walker is old and not particularly good anymore. Either way I don't know how you can pass on Johnson unless they were assuming he'd still be there, but still I don't know why you chance it for a future third pick.
 
its not his fault you see dj as the best player because you worshipped him at UT. sure i have my doubts about travis johnson, but they have many more talented options at LB than they have on the line. also they picked him and resigned payne because johnson can play end, also. honestly i dont think they should have resigned payne but thats an entire different issue but yes johnson can play end, because in the 3-4 playing end is similar to play DT in the 4-3. as for wide recievers, we have much more pressing needs. picking a wr at 16 would have been saying that having a young option who can eventually fill in at the 3rd or 2nd reciever spot in a few years is more important than finding an immediate starter on defense. they have a superstar in andre, a serviceable player in gaffney, an inconsistent playmaker in bradford, and player who is waiting to breakout in derick armstrong. think drafting johnson after resigning payne doesnt make sense? how about drafting clayton or white after resigning bradford.....who is your 3rd reciever. at least payne is a projected starter, and has injury problems. what would casserly say if clayton had a bad camp, and his 1st round pick was 5th on the reciever chart. travis johnson may not end up being spectacular like dunta and andre, and you can be dissapointed that DJ didnt go to houston, but just because you cant wear your burnt orange derrick johnson jersey to reliant stadium doesnt mean it is a bad pick. it was a need based pick, and for those of you saying hes a 2nd or 3rd round talent, well you just dont know anything about football and should read up before making ignorant statements such as that.
 
MorKnolle said:
I am at an absolute loss for words. Sure we already have a bunch of linebackers but Derrick Johnson is good enough to anchor your defense around for several years to come. Almost everyone wanted him but didn't think he'd fall to us, then he did and we traded him away for a future third round pick and a decent DT.
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How would you have a clue about DJs potential to make a contribution in our Defense in the NFL? This Draft is not based on popularity contests. Cass & Capers butts are on the line and they are picking players who will help our team the most to win games, not satisfy a popularity contest. DJ was right there for them at 13, and they passed. That's reality. End of story.
 
I hope TJ is really good. I mean it was a suprise move and I dont think they knew that KC would pick up DJ. They thought like everyone else at the draft and at home that they would get someone to play opposite surtain. I knew that they were going to get DJ as soon as CAR picked Thomas Davis who KC wanted more. But you gamble and that is the breaks, unfortunately we will be watching DJ make plays for KC but what the hell you win some you lose some. Think of it like this we picked up something we needed and we got younger on the D-Line. Walker is gone next year and we will likely pick another D-Linemen next year. At least we will have a high pick to get a good OT.
 
If they had wanted DJ they would have taken him at 13, there's no way they took a third round pick in next year's draft to move down 3 spots if they were as in love with DJ as everyone in cyberspace was. You never know until they actually hit the field, but Casserly and Capers obviously didn't think DJ would work out in our scheme....neither did the other first 14 teams (many of which run a 3-4).
 
I keep seeing people pointing at those of us who wanted the Texans to pull the trigger on DJ at #13 and calling them "homers" who were just in love with him because he played at UT which is completely ridiculous.

He's a good enough player who's done enough to merit being selected at that spot and honestly not many people felt he'd be there when the Texans went on the clock.

When I see the Texans passing on DJ after kicking both of their inside linebackers to the curb I can't help but be a little confused. Then I see them taking a Travis Johnson at 16 and I wonder about the dollars the Texans spent on Walker and Payne. Probably more about Walker really. Something smells here and I can't quite figure it out.
 
blockhead83 said:
If they had wanted DJ they would have taken him at 13, there's no way they took a third round pick in next year's draft to move down 3 spots if they were as in love with DJ as everyone in cyberspace was. You never know until they actually hit the field, but Casserly and Capers obviously didn't think DJ would work out in our scheme....neither did the other first 14 teams (many of which run a 3-4).
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And I guess we'll never know for sure since I dont expect the double C's to come out and say "We really wanted Derrick Johnson...But we got greedy and messed up." Heheh. :shocked
 
Yea, I'll admit when DJ was there and we were on the clock it was the only time in my recent history where I'd describe my mood as "giddy". However, I've been excessively happy with Casserly's first round choices thus far for the Texans, and I have no reason to believe this won't have similar results. Looking back on it now we got our favorite DLineman in the draft, a player who anchored the best rushing defense in the country, and an extra third rounder to boot. IMO, one good defensive lineman can amplify a team's overall pass rush more than any one linebacker, and that's what our defense needs the most....a pass rush. Let's hope this doesn't go down as one of the great debackles (sp?) in Texans history, I don't think it will.
 
TexanWolverine said:
And I guess we'll never know for sure since I dont expect the double C's to come out and say "We really wanted Derrick Johnson...But we got greedy and messed up." Heheh. :shocked
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Casserly has a history of aggressively going for players he really wants (ie. Jason Babin), which stands to reason that he wouldn't pass on DJ if he just wanted to draft him three spots later. Just my opinion, but I'd bet the farm that Casserly didn't want to take DJ as much as Travis Johnson.
 
I'd agree with that. I think it is silly to think we traded back and targeted one guy. I don't even do that in mocks...so I'm sure Casserly didn't do that as well.
 
Vinny said:
I'd agree with that. I think it is silly to think we traded back and targeted one guy. I don't even do that in mocks...so I'm sure Casserly didn't do that as well.
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seems to me thats exactly what they did, but lately I've been wrong alot!

GM Charley Casserly

"We opened the day with the 13th pick in the first round. Our feelings were that there would be a group of players available at pick number 13 that we liked. That was the case, so we decided to trade back. We would have taken Travis Johnson at the 13th pick, but New Orleans offered us a chance to move back with an extra pick for next year’s draft, a third round pick, and we felt comfortable that Johnson would still be available three picks later. When we arrived at the 16th pick, additional trade offers were available to us, but the offers were picks for next year or post third round. We felt if we moved back again the percentages were against us to get Johnson. He is the player we targeted for this area in the draft, so we decided to go ahead and pull the trigger at that point. Come to find out after the pick, another team had him on the board and if we would have moved back, we would not have gotten him."
 
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