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Training Camp Day 4

Wow… This is a great place to be. The reports on this mornings practice made my Monday bearable. I like that Spencer is spending quality time with the starters and looks like he’s being carved into a truly talented NFL linemen. With plenty of time to iron out all the wrinkles Spencer should be a key piece of the puzzle, a very big piece at that.

On the secondary did anyone see signs of hope? I’ve heard on Buchanon and McKenzie and all sounds great. I think McKenzie will be an effective asset on Dime and Nickel packages. Is the veteran Dexter McCleon up to anything? If we have a decent pass coverage to compliment our D-Line… Hmmm…

Anyway thanks to those who give us such detailed reports on TC, yall are great… Laters. :trophy:
 
jerek said:
I haven't watched the defensive playcalling too closely. That said, generally speaking, we seem to be running a lot of different man zones. I haven't seen a lot of blitzing (or should I say, as much as I expected to see) to this point but then again, we may not need a lot of blitzing this year, given the way our D-line is shaping up. I haven't noticed a lot of Cover 2, but in general, against the zone, Carr seems to be going to a lot of routes underneath and across the middle. I definitely like the mixed look, however; the man zones have looked solid and again, our D-line (and the various LB blitz, when we send it) is absolutely punishing.

Moulds has looked good in very limited reps. Apparently he has having difficulty adjusting to the heat and hasn't been very active in the morning sessions. Watched him in the 1 on 1 WR drill: quick feet, very sharp routes, good hands, big and strong. Honestly, he is sort of a veteran, less athletic version of AJ. Pretty much what we expected and hoped for. Once he and Carr get a rhythm, he is going to be a vicious alternative to AJ. I've noticed Walters getting reps at the #2, with Lewis and Schifino getting a few tries. I am still surprised to see Derrick Armstrong get no love from the coaches; other than the fact that he still is just not fast.

I haven't noticed Joppru much either way but I haven't watched for him enough either. I did note one nice catch on his part. He looks confident and in shape. He's looked a little rusty routewise but he's been mixing reps with Daniels.

Thanks again "J"...wow football is really getting fun again. One more question (at least for awhile I promise): How is Carr doing with his vision so far (looking off receivers etc...)?
 
I don't post much...

But I do want to say a quick word of thanks to those who give us these TC reports. As someone who lives outside the US now I depend on this message board for info on my team (you certainly won't see us in national media outlets...yet!)

Anyway, thanks guys, from the soon-to-be founder of the Texans fan club London office. And yes, we'll be meeting at the Texas Embassy for beers and nachos!


cheers,
Peek
 
As far as Carr's vision goes, I think he is doing pretty well finding the open receiver. He has thrown a couple of INTs throughout camp so far, and there have been a few times where I would have liked to see him exercise a little more patience, but has for the most part handled the pass rush well. IMO a big part of Carr's "vision" has to do with giving him viable routes and receivers that will reliably catch what's thrown to them. Kubiak and Calhoun are implementing a very different offense and it's my understanding they are teaching Carr an accompanying method with which to work his progressions.

McCleon looks rusty but I figure he will factor into the dime package sooner or later. He's at least in shape and is working his way into the team.

As for O vs. D, the answer right now is, some of both. Our D and especially our front four are going to create a lot of pressure that will make our pass coverage look a lot better. Our front guys are overpursuing a little too much right now and biting for play fakes, but that is equal parts lack of experience and aggression. Offensively, an OL just takes more time to gel. It's just the nature of the position and the teamwork that must occur across each play. Our O-line is very young and the coaches are doing a lot of subbing right now. Right now, they are literally improving noticeably each day, and I expect that to continue as positions become more finalized and as the rookies gain experience.
 
Moulds seems to be receiving a lot of rest. Is this because of the heat or has he strained or tweaked something? It seems he has missed as many practices as DD.
 
DocBar said:
Moulds seems to be receiving a lot of rest. Is this because of the heat or has he strained or tweaked something? It seems he has missed as many practices as DD.

My understanding is that he is strictly having trouble adjusting to the heat. He has sat out of most of the morning practices and I'm not sure how much work he's been getting in the afternoons in the bubble. Don't think (and haven't heard) it's an injury and I expect him to be worked in as he adjusts. In what limited reps I saw him take, he looked good.

Bottom line, this ain't Buffalo :)
 
PeekingDuck said:
I don't post much...

But I do want to say a quick word of thanks to those who give us these TC reports. As someone who lives outside the US now I depend on this message board for info on my team (you certainly won't see us in national media outlets...yet!)

Anyway, thanks guys, from the soon-to-be founder of the Texans fan club London office. And yes, we'll be meeting at the Texas Embassy for beers and nachos!


cheers,
Peek


I wasn't a big fan of Texas Embassy
 
jerek said:
My understanding is that he is strictly having trouble adjusting to the heat. He has sat out of most of the morning practices and I'm not sure how much work he's been getting in the afternoons in the bubble. Don't think (and haven't heard) it's an injury and I expect him to be worked in as he adjusts. In what limited reps I saw him take, he looked good.

Bottom line, this ain't Buffalo :)
Thanks for the info. I hope he's getting some practice time in to build some timing and all with DC. I'm sure he's putting in the mental effort, both teaching and learning.
 
wags said:
I think it means he do what he do....or something like that.:um:

It sounds like people do not have a lot of faith in Travis Johnson. I thought he was making strides, loosing wieght, improving footwork and quickness. Maybe it just takes time for people to see a difference.
 
jerek said:
Again, I am noticing a general trend of (a) a lot of mixed routes; short, long, out and in, and a lot of plays incorporating a safety valve, and (b) 3+ eligible receivers on a lot of plays. A few screens and a lot of backfield routes.
jerek, what have you seen regarding the pass protection schemes? Are you seeing a lot of 5 man routes, or are they keeping FBs in to block sometimes? Have the tackles gotten any help from the TE to block Mario?
 
Derrick Armstrong.. just wondering.. what I have read the last 4 days is he isnt' very fast but hands of glue... what is holding him back...not to compare Armstrong with Steve Largent, I just wonder.. Largent wasn't fast but knew how to get open .. Is Armstrong's problems that he doesn't know how to get open? or run good fakes on routes? don't know the open spaces in the zones? (probably a horrible comparison or WR's but only one that I could think of that was slow off the top of my head)
 
Sets/routes/action:

Tight ends and fullbacks in motion to split wide.

AJ in the slot with Moulds split wide on the same side.

Lots and lots and lots of short crossing routes to TEs and WRs.

FB in flats

Lots and lots of boots and rollouts

Not as much deep as people will clamor for - but they will take their shots.

TE on Mario constantly - sometimes strong left.

Hape as a FB

FWIW
 
I am greatly interested in y'alls point of view on Chris Taylor. Apparently he is very decisive and getting a lot of attention from the coaches. That's great news, considering the lack of progress from D.Davis. I was curious if C.Taylor has been used to catch the ball out of the backfield. From what I've read, he is fast, but I haven't heard anything about his hands. Not sure if it's because he hasn't been tested, or if it hasn't come up.

Along with everyone else who can't make it to camp, thank you.
 
Good hands out of the backfield. I wouldn't call him fast - he's shown enough speed to get around the corner at times, but his biggest asset is that he's a decisive one-cut and go kind of back that's perfect for this system. He's a big back ~220 and will try to run people over, but he won't run away from anyone. If he gets through one of those cutback lanes and into the second level, he can punish tacklers.

Add: He's trying out for the kick returner job as well.
 
Lucky said:
jerek, what have you seen regarding the pass protection schemes? Are you seeing a lot of 5 man routes, or are they keeping FBs in to block sometimes? Have the tackles gotten any help from the TE to block Mario?

See AJ's reply ... a lot of 3 and 4-man routes ... not much at 5. Lot of fullback inside either going out for pass to the flats or as extra blocker. Interesting mix so far. TE is a blocker a lot of the time on Mario.
 
aj. said:
Good hands out of the backfield. I wouldn't call him fast - he's shown enough speed to get around the corner at times, but his biggest asset is that he's a decisive one-cut and go kind of back that's perfect for this system. He's a big back ~220 and will try to run people over, but he won't run away from anyone. If he gets through one of those cutback lanes and into the second level, he can punish tacklers.

Anybody have a combine stats on him... or is that why he was undrafted?
 
Didn't get an invite to the combine.

Below average Pro Day workout. Ran only mid 4.5's on turf which was slow based on prior 40 times. Played on a bad team.....

....no other explanation for being undrafted.

Like I told someone in a PM earlier, I'm excited about Taylor -- he's been impressive in camp and is all the buzz but let's keep it all in context. Remember when Jason Anderson burst on the scene a couple of years ago? Same buzz. Although I think Taylor brings more to the table than Jason, expecially in the size and power dept. Not to mention his style fitting the system perfectly.

Don't forget Wali Lundy whose actually quicker than Taylor, although not as big. I'm excited to have both guys here.
 
If he can play now, I don't care much how he played in college, other than the fact that it'd be nice to look at stats. Personally, I'd prefer to look at him in a actual game. Hope he gets a lot of touches this preseason, which he should, since he isn't a starter (yet).
 
I must ask, performance wise so far, how would you guys who attended TC rank the players at RB and CB. I'm curious with all of this Taylor "hype" so far along with other undrafted free agents Chris McKenzie from last year and John Walker from this year. And how has Lewis Sanders look? From what it sounds like and if Walker and McKenzie have been as good as it seems I see Sanders on the way out. Just my opinoin. Thanks again guys!

ALSO: Yes! The Texans game will be aired on the NFL Network Sunday morning! I'll be listening to the boards on Sunday night and I'll actually get to watch the game on Sunday :yahoo:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/preseason_2006
 
Lewis Sanders is just fine. It is early right now but look for D-Rob and Buch to start with Sanders and McKenzie in on dime and nickel. Sanders gets most of the run on first team with Dunta sitting out. Walker right now is looking good but he is going to be battling T. Williams right now. They both are showing flashes and then make rookie mistakes. Walker is a decent bit larger though and could not only help in the secondary but on ST.
 
Terrell Davis, the great Broncos running back out of Georgia taken in the 6th round, was anything but a burner and actually not very big either, I'm thinking about 210 llbs. Nor was he really shifty, but rather a slashing runner with high knee action and a real hard runner who was a hitter. When I finally get a look at Taylor, hope I see some similarity to the former Bronco.
 
Chris Taylor reminds me more of a guy like Marion Barber in terms of his game and physical attributes. He's a lot thicker in the lower body than TD.
 
Marshall'sLaw said:
So Jerek is Jason Babin looking better this year at DE? Has he put on some weight?

Babin has been a pleasant surprise thusfar. I still think Peek is the better pass rusher but Babin is probably a more solid allround DE as of now. I heard Babin is currently weighing around 272 and Peek is around 268, so they have both bulked up some. Babin needs to work on developing more moves though, he's somewhat of a 1 trick pony right now.

U4ikrob said:
Any news on the Peek injury?? Was reading the reports and mentioned him going down and that they would report after x-rays?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2690&section=N Latest News

And how was TJ looking?? After being callled out a number of times now and being told he has to loose some weight I'm anxious to see if he's gonna man-up.

Any news on Demeco? I hear my main man D-Wreck is playing almost every LB position out there - with Rainer going down its looking like Demeco may be cracking the starting lineup. As I was saying back after the draft - I think Demeco will be giving anyone stiff competion for RoY if he gets to start this year. I definitely see him becoming a future Pro-bowl type player.

I don't think Peek is really hurt, he looks like he was feeling sick the last day or two, probably from the heat. Dunta is day to day with a tweaked ankle, Faggins is out 6-10 weeks with a broken foot, Rainer is done for the year, and there have been some other minor tweaks and problems adjusting to the heat, but I'm not aware of any other real injuries.

TJ has improved marginally the last couple days and is seeing some more reps, but he still has a long way to go before he gets much playing time. Weaver has looked very good so far and they play the same position on the line, so unless Weaver gets hurt I don't see much PT for TJ.

Demeco has looked pretty solid so far and seems to be picking things up pretty well, especially considering he's having to learn multiple positions. I was originally thinking he'd probably see more time at OLB this year but with Rainer's injury he could see significant time at MLB, he spent most of today at 1st team MLB with Cowart on 2nd team.

A4toZ said:
Agree with the above. Kinda like AJ wrote in VoF, when the defense does really well, you wonder if the offense is realy messing up (or something like that). What's Carr looking like these days with the revised system - from what I saw on ch 13's hour long special, I was liking the nice passes on target (would they highlight anything else?) but then hearing of the picks today, it sparked a renewed wonder. Overall - how is Carr, Rosen., and all QB's looking?

Oh, and maybe it's just a few highlights given v. thought out viewpoints? I know the majority appreciate y'alls review, especially those unable to attend or out of towners. It's kinda like the Texans ticker report.... just some info / observation till we can ALL see on August 12th.

Carr still looks sharp, other than the DLine is getting pretty consistent pressure on him and in a real game he'd have to move around more than he is for practice. Rosenfels had a bit of a rough day today, especially against our 1st team defense, but overall he's looked pretty good. Pickett looks ok but nothing special, he's seen very few reps but he just arrived here three days ago and is learning the whole system. Porter has shown flashes of talent but is making a lot of rookie mistakes, which is to be expected from an undrafted rookie.

humbleone said:
First, thanks a million Coach C, Jerek and others for taking the time to post your observations. Many of us are starving for anything "Texan" these days.

Regarding questions, here are mine:

(1) Have you seen us in 11 on 11 practicing against a "cover 2" and if so how do we look?

(2) What is Moulds doing so far and when he is not in there, who is lining up in the "2"?

(3) Sounds like Putzier is getting most of the TE reps with the 1st team, where is our boy BJ seeing action?

Thanks again guys...your terrific!!!

:redtowel:

The offense has gone against some zone, but not really a cover 2. Right now they are running our offensive scheme vs. our defensive scheme, and we aren't running a cover 2 so the offense hasn't seen much of it at all. The defense is running a lot of man to man thusfar (may add more zone coverages later, who knows at this point other than the coaches), and have run some man zones and a little cover 2, but that hasn't been a primary defense that the offense has faced thusfar.

Moulds has been held out of a couple morning practices but I've heard he participates fully in the afternoon ones out of the heat, so I think that's been his problem thusfar. When he's not playing he's right there watching and picking up on things and offering advice to AJ and others.

They have actually rotated the TEs a lot. Putzier and Bruener have basically exclusively been in with the 1st team, but Daniels, Steele, and Joppru have all seen some reps with them too and more reps with 2nd/3rd team. Bruener has seen a lot of action too, and has pretty good hands, he's just real slow. Putzier is a nice receiving option. Joppru and Daniels have seen a decent amount of action as H-Backs too and seem to be embracing that versatile role and both have looked pretty solid. Steele has looked ok the few times they look his way.

Lucky said:
jerek, what have you seen regarding the pass protection schemes? Are you seeing a lot of 5 man routes, or are they keeping FBs in to block sometimes? Have the tackles gotten any help from the TE to block Mario?

I'm not Jerek but I'll add my comments to this. Thusfar the pass protection has been fairly suspect, although I think a lot of that is our DLine playing very well, playing very aggressive, and really being driven by Smith/Karm. At times we've seen a lot of play actions, bootlegs, etc. and Carr has thrown the ball very well on the move in these situations. So far when they've had him stay in the pocket he's getting pressured pretty quickly, although he does look a lot better at staying with it, bailing only if necessary, and either throwing it away out of bounds or waiting and finding a receiver on the move rather than taking a hit behind the LOS. The TEs and FBs don't stay in and pass block much in this system, they have a decent amount where they block for a second then release for a pass, and they've run some screens that have been pretty effective against the high pressure. Mario, Peek, Babin, and Weaver have all looked great so far, especially when it's the four of them together on nickel formations.

Texans86 said:
I am greatly interested in y'alls point of view on Chris Taylor. Apparently he is very decisive and getting a lot of attention from the coaches. That's great news, considering the lack of progress from D.Davis. I was curious if C.Taylor has been used to catch the ball out of the backfield. From what I've read, he is fast, but I haven't heard anything about his hands. Not sure if it's because he hasn't been tested, or if it hasn't come up.

Along with everyone else who can't make it to camp, thank you.

Haven't seen a ton of catches out of the backfield but it's not a real big part of their offense anyways, FBs and TEs get a decent amount of catches but not so much the RBs. Taylor has dropped some balls but I think he will be a fairly productive receiver. I think Morency has pretty nice hands too, and once he stops dancing so much (he is getting better at this) then I think he'll get more action and be productive as well.

Coach C. said:
Lewis Sanders is just fine. It is early right now but look for D-Rob and Buch to start with Sanders and McKenzie in on dime and nickel. Sanders gets most of the run on first team with Dunta sitting out. Walker right now is looking good but he is going to be battling T. Williams right now. They both are showing flashes and then make rookie mistakes. Walker is a decent bit larger though and could not only help in the secondary but on ST.

I'll add that McCleon has looked decent in the fairly limited action he's seen in the day that he's been here, plus they are on the lookout for more CBs so we may have another effective veteran for the season.
 
Vambo said:
Anybody have a combine stats on him... or is that why he was undrafted?
Pro Day Results: Chris Taylor

Dates: 03/07/06
Height: 5112
Weight: 223
40 Yrd Dash: 4.52
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 15
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 9'-7"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24
3-Cone Drill: 6.99

Combine Results: Wali Lunday

Height: 5110
Weight: 214
40 Yrd Dash: 4.48
20 Yrd Dash: 2.67
10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 9'3"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.37
3-Cone Drill: 7.01

What stands out is Taylor's 20 yd shuttle time vs Lunday's. Maybe he's a little quicker, in the short area, hitting the holes/lanes???
 
Coach C. said:
Lewis Sanders is just fine. It is early right now but look for D-Rob and Buch to start with Sanders and McKenzie in on dime and nickel. Sanders gets most of the run on first team with Dunta sitting out. Walker right now is looking good but he is going to be battling T. Williams right now. They both are showing flashes and then make rookie mistakes. Walker is a decent bit larger though and could not only help in the secondary but on ST.

Thanks for the info and the sig :thumbup
 
By MorKnolle
""Babin has been a pleasant surprise thusfar. I still think Peek is the better pass rusher but Babin is probably a more solid allround DE as of now. I heard Babin is currently weighing around 272 and Peek is around 268, so they have both bulked up some. Babin needs to work on developing more moves though, he's somewhat of a 1 trick pony right now."
**********************************************
I think your info about Babin's weight is about right, but not so about Peek,
atleast according to John McClain.
The other day on SR 610 he said Peeks weight had actually dropped to 250 lbs. And he seemed very confidant and convincing about his info, because he even joked about wondering if a guy could be fined for reporting at less weight than they wanted him at, as apparently both guys were instructed to put on the lbs with their coming conversion to DE from LBs last season.
And as McClain said, 250 is definitely on the light side for a "full time" DE.
 
Peek is heavier than 250 that is a fact. It has dropped from the 270 he was at but he is at the over/under 265 depending on the meal and bathroom breaks ya know what I mean.
 
The daily roster on 7/28 has Peek at 258. Looking at him, that seems about right. Robert Mathis is around 240 tops and plays nearly every down.
 
aj. said:
The daily roster on 7/28 has Peek at 258. Looking at him, that seems about right.
McClain said he was at 258 at the end of last year, but inexlicably lost 8 lbs
during the off season even though he was told (as was Babin) to beef up for
his new position in the 4-3 at DE.
I've not had the luxury of attending any TC, so have not seen Peek for myself.
I'd be the first to say McClain could be mistaken about his info, be he did seem confidant about this, FWIW ?
 
nunusguy said:
By MorKnolle
""Babin has been a pleasant surprise thusfar. I still think Peek is the better pass rusher but Babin is probably a more solid allround DE as of now. I heard Babin is currently weighing around 272 and Peek is around 268, so they have both bulked up some. Babin needs to work on developing more moves though, he's somewhat of a 1 trick pony right now."
**********************************************
I think your info about Babin's weight is about right, but not so about Peek,
atleast according to John McClain.
The other day on SR 610 he said Peeks weight had actually dropped to 250 lbs. And he seemed very confidant and convincing about his info, because he even joked about wondering if a guy could be fined for reporting at less weight than they wanted him at, as apparently both guys were instructed to put on the lbs with their coming conversion to DE from LBs last season.
And as McClain said, 250 is definitely on the light side for a "full time" DE.

Peek had trouble keeping his weight up last year, but he has definitely bulked up. While on the sidelines I overheard someone asking him what he weighed now and he said 266, so that's what I'm going on. I trust Peek's own words over John "show up for the last 10 min of practice" McClain.
 
MorKnolle said:
Peek had trouble keeping his weight up last year, but he has definitely bulked up. While on the sidelines I overheard someone asking him what he weighed now and he said 266, so that's what I'm going on. I trust Peek's own words over John (show up for the last 10 min of practice" McClain.
OK. The source can't get much better than Peek himself on this topic.
Probably serves me right for paying attention to what McClain said.
 
aj. said:
Robert Mathis is around 240 tops and plays nearly every down.
I also saw someplace else that Mathis was going to be an every down DE for
the Colts. I assume they'll leave Feeney over on the weakside, which should
make it even tougher for a DE that small trying to handle the rushing plays
across from a 300 lb tackle and a TE whos gonna be maybe 25 lbs bigger than him.
I don't see how the Colts can expect to handle rushing plays over on his side ?
 
MorKnolle said:
John "show up for the last 10 min of practice" McClain.

I was at the gate when McClain signed in on Friday and Sunday and he was there before 8:30 each day and stayed after practice. He was walking alone with Sherman toward the locker room when I last saw him Sunday after practice was over.

He was there at 7:30 this morning with Granato.
 
aj. said:
I was at the gate when McClain signed in on Friday and Sunday and he was there before 8:30 each day and stayed though practice. He was walking alone with Sherman toward the locker room when I last saw him Sunday long after practice was over.
Hahaha, no, no, no, silly goose. That was Sean McClain... John McClain was in Tennessee eating raisins out of vince young's hand.
 
FWIW I would gauge Peek at 260ish. He is substantially larger than last year and I don't know where McClain got his 250 from. Peek still looks perpetually angry, like he wants to eat Peyton Manning's children; what I like to see in my defensive lineman. And yes, in my time there, I've noticed McClain around throughout most of the early morning practices. I resisted the urge to ask him how Vince Young is doing.

And to echo what Mork pointed out earlier; that is one of the most positive things I've seen in DC's game in camp this year. It's so simple it seems stupid, I know it was a beef with a lot of fans last year. In those (increasingly rarer) plays where he is forced to flee the pocket, he's either made a good run or thrown the ball out of bounds. I know it's only practice, but there is an already apparent emphasis on getting rid of the ball and not taking negative yardage when the play is lost. Good news to his detractors and his fans alike.

PowerfulDragon said:
Hahaha, no, no, no, silly goose. That was Sean McClain... John McClain was in Tennessee eating raisins out of vince young's hand.

Hahahahahaha.
 
After going to the link that PowerfulDragon put up, I'm wondering why no one has called the ASPCA on that web site and if you can actually see an animals soul die in a picture.
 
I like how in his blog post today (found here)

he says:
Cal's unofficial title is assistant owner. I've been wondering if Cal and his older brother, Cary McNair, ever complain to their father about the first pick in the draft. They're both Longhorns. You'd think they would have had more influence, and, well, never mind.

I'm determined to get through an entire blog without mentioning the former Longhorns' quarterback.

hah. i wonder if he reads and posts here.

F-minus67 said:
After going to the link that PowerfulDragon put up, I'm wondering why no one has called the ASPCA on that web site and if you can actually see an animals soul die in a picture.
it's japanese. out of thier jurisdiction.
 
I have not yet been able to attend a practice but was wondering how Lundi has looked up to now?

Thanks for the updates
 
Number19 said:
What stands out is Taylor's 20 yd shuttle time vs Lunday's. Maybe he's a little quicker, in the short area, hitting the holes/lanes???

Yea, plus look at his broad jump. Chris is more explosive than Lundy, but judging by their college careers, I would say that Lundy has more endurance.
 
aj. said:
Sets/routes/action:

1. Lots and lots and lots of short crossing routes to TEs and WRs.

2. Lots and lots of boots and rollouts


FWIW



So I'm thinking we're gonna see a hybrid (current buzz word in vogue) version of Bill Walsh and Shanihan's offenses.

Short passes will do two things...build Carr's confidence immensely opening up the running game. And the second, keep our defense on the bench where it's supposed to be.

Also, thanks guys for keeping us filled with info.
 
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