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Trading down to Oakland Raiders and draft Vince?

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jjcorvallis

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Trading down to Titans or Jets were our best option but NO drafting Drew Brees screwed that up. Titans or Jets will not accept the trade. But Oakland Raiders will still be interested. Let's trade down to Oakland Raiders and draft Vince. Vince will fall.

1. Raiders: Matt Leinheart

2. Saints: D'Brick Ferguson

3. Titans: Reggie Bush

4. Jets: Jay Cutler

5. Packers: A J Hawk

6. 49ers: Mario Williams

7. Texans: Vince Young
 
Well that would just suck. And I do mean suck really really bad. If we bother trading down that far we might as well get Huff or Vernon Davis. Sorry buddy VY is not coming here unless it is to see his family during the offseason.
 
JJ - Well I'm still holding out hope that the Front Office comes to their senses...Though unlikely, I think the best (only?) way we get VY is to trade down with SF. I'm thinking thir first, second, and next year's second and third for the first overall.

SF-Bush
2-Leinart (via trad)
Tenn-Cutler
4-D'Brick
GB-Williams
TEXANS-VY
 
jjcorvallis said:
Trading down to Titans or Jets were our best option but NO drafting Drew Brees screwed that up. Titans or Jets will not accept the trade. But Oakland Raiders will still be interested. Let's trade down to Oakland Raiders and draft Vince. Vince will fall.

1. Raiders: Matt Leinheart

2. Saints: D'Brick Ferguson

3. Titans: Reggie Bush

4. Jets: Jay Cutler

5. Packers: A J Hawk

6. 49ers: Mario Williams

7. Texans: Vince Young
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Saints would likely take Bush, maybe Mario. Titans would likely take Cutler, Packers woudl not take Hawk over Mario, and we're not taking Vince.

TJFord said:
JJ - Well I'm still holding out hope that the Front Office comes to their senses...Though unlikely, I think the best (only?) way we get VY is to trade down with SF. I'm thinking thir first, second, and next year's second and third for the first overall.

SF-Bush
2-Leinart (via trad)
Tenn-Cutler
4-D'Brick
GB-Williams
TEXANS-VY
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Niners can't afford to give up that much, they had the worst roster in the league last year and lost a lot already this offseason.
 
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If we do trade down, and Davis is still there and we STILL pick Young, I will flip out. That would be a horrible move.
 
Trading from the #1 requires many picks for balance... not even two first rounders of Denver is comparable to the #1 overall according to draft experts... You need a plethora of draft choices to equate that value.

Given the above, we aren't drafting VY.

Now assuming I followed the argument that we need a qb (I'll bite on the bait/worm), why not just keep the #1 and draft Matt Leinart who is a more polished, complete, more highly regarded quarterback than any qb in the draft. He is a much safer selection than VY and will follow in the mold of Carson Palmer, there is no reason to think otherwise. Leinart in teh championship complete 29 or 40 for 365 against the highly touted/regarded Texas defense. That is highly desirable in my mind.

As was previosuly stated, there is no reason for VY to come here and the hometown hero thing is played out. Dude is good but you are trying to force something with this topic.
 
jjcorvallis said:
Trading down to Titans or Jets were our best option but NO drafting Drew Brees screwed that up. Titans or Jets will not accept the trade. But Oakland Raiders will still be interested. Let's trade down to Oakland Raiders and draft Vince. Vince will fall.

1. Raiders: Matt Leinheart
2. Saints: D'Brick Ferguson
3. Titans: Reggie Bush
4. Jets: Jay Cutler
5. Packers: A J Hawk
6. 49ers: Mario Williams
7. Texans: Vince Young
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THis trade, or one like it, is absolutely the best that we can make out of the draft. And we're not required to take Young at 7. But the 7th pick, plus the others we would get, would help us fix the team much quicker than taking Bush at #1.
 
Can we just trade P- Buc back to Raiders for 2nd and 3rd that we erroneously gave away last year? Please!!!!!!!!

Oh, if we trade down ( at least a 2006 2nd, 2007 1st and 3rd)...we will not pick VY. Take that to the bank.
 
kcwilson said:
Trading from the #1 requires many picks for balance... not even two first rounders of Denver is comparable to the #1 overall according to draft experts... You need a plethora of draft choices to equate that value.

Given the above, we aren't drafting VY.

Now assuming I followed the argument that we need a qb (I'll bite on the bait/worm), why not just keep the #1 and draft Matt Leinart who is a more polished, complete, more highly regarded quarterback than any qb in the draft. He is a much safer selection than VY and will follow in the mold of Carson Palmer, there is no reason to think otherwise. Leinart in teh championship complete 29 or 40 for 365 against the highly touted/regarded Texas defense. That is highly desirable in my mind.

As was previosuly stated, there is no reason for VY to come here and the hometown hero thing is played out. Dude is good but you are trying to force something with this topic.
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Leinart IS NOT in the same "mold" as Carson Palmer. His arm strength is nowhere in the same league. He is a good, accurate qb on the short to intermediate routes but he puts a lot of air under the ball on the deep routes (see sideline interceptions in Notre Dame and UT games). Plus, what do we know of how he will handle pressure? Dude had enough time his entire college career behind college football's best offensive line, he could have solved a Rubik's cube.

I tend to agree with that Mayock dude on the NFL Network (has Jay Cutler ranked as the #1 QB). Look what he did with a HORRIBLE Vandy team and absolutely no time to throw. If it wasn't for the worst call in officiating history, they beat Florida on their own field. When all is said and done, I believe Cutler will turn out to be a better QB than any in this draft.
 
I think who ever came up with this idea must have some wizzonators hidden because he is definately high. (Wizzonator - the way to beat a urine test endorsed by Minnesota Vikings Legend Onterrio Smith)

No way do we trade down that far without serious serious compensation, something the raiders can't afford to give up considering their situation.
 
Nighthawk said:
But the 7th pick, plus the others we would get, would help us fix the team much quicker than taking Bush at #1.
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How in the heck do you think we will gain? We are losing value every day for the number 1 and now that Detroit has signed a QB, it has gotten worse. We cannot get anything in value now by trading. We either take Bush or Mario or D'Brick, period.

All you Vince Young supporters that want him here, I wish yall would get a life. He is not worthy of even being in the top 10 much less a #1 pick. 2 QB's coming out are much better than him. So please cut the crap. :stirpot:
 
Coach C. said:
Sorry buddy VY is not coming here unless it is to see his family during the offseason.
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Thanks Coach for being a parental type. The UT kids need an authority figure to tell them like it is about their hero.
 
The only thing that pains me more than the prospect of selecting and retaining Bush with the #1 is drafting VY anywhere in the 1st round. Having three QB's on the roster carrying contracts that essentially are in year 1 is silly to put it mildly.
 
kcwilson said:
Trading from the #1 requires many picks for balance... not even two first rounders of Denver is comparable to the #1 overall according to draft experts... You need a plethora of draft choices to equate that value.

Given the above, we aren't drafting VY.

Now assuming I followed the argument that we need a qb (I'll bite on the bait/worm), why not just keep the #1 and draft Matt Leinart who is a more polished, complete, more highly regarded quarterback than any qb in the draft. He is a much safer selection than VY and will follow in the mold of Carson Palmer, there is no reason to think otherwise. Leinart in teh championship complete 29 or 40 for 365 against the highly touted/regarded Texas defense. That is highly desirable in my mind.

As was previosuly stated, there is no reason for VY to come here and the hometown hero thing is played out. Dude is good but you are trying to force something with this topic.
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No reason to talk logic here man. :rolleyes: Either you are for Vince or you are against him, same goes for Carr. Actually, if you don't like Carr, you must like Vince. There is no other QB in this year's draft. Clearer now?

Huge1 said:
Leinart IS NOT in the same "mold" as Carson Palmer. His arm strength is nowhere in the same league. He is a good, accurate qb on the short to intermediate routes but he puts a lot of air under the ball on the deep routes (see sideline interceptions in Notre Dame and UT games). Plus, what do we know of how he will handle pressure? Dude had enough time his entire college career behind college football's best offensive line, he could have solved a Rubik's cube.

I tend to agree with that Mayock dude on the NFL Network (has Jay Cutler ranked as the #1 QB). Look what he did with a HORRIBLE Vandy team and absolutely no time to throw. If it wasn't for the worst call in officiating history, they beat Florida on their own field. When all is said and done, I believe Cutler will turn out to be a better QB than any in this draft.
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UT had a similarly all-world O-line, but that is ignored by Vincers around here. I was about to lump you with them, but then I noticed you mention Cutler. I have to agree with you.
 
I agree with the guy that posted previous that for all of the VY supporters...IF we are going to select a QB in the first round...why wouldnt we take the best QB or the 2nd best ??? I think that the only ppl in the world that have Vince ranked higher than Lienart are ppl on this board...and nobody else...Leinart may not have a great deep arm...BUT will he ever be protected long enough for a deep route to develop???? If we are staying at 1 we have to take Reggie...If we trade down it shifts to Mario Williams or D'Brick...plain and simple...
 
Reggie Bush and Mario Williams are worthy of the first pick at least until RBs pro day . If he screws up and runs a 4.4 then he becomes less than sensational . Then its all Mario and do the Texans have the guts to pull the trigger ... stay tuned until 4/29/06 .

If Carr stinks it up then we'll be back again talking about a high pick and next years QB darling will be Brady Quinn . This guys being groomed by Charley Weiss and will be a safer pick than the QBs this year .
 
Dunta_23 said:
I agree with the guy that posted previous that for all of the VY supporters...IF we are going to select a QB in the first round...why wouldnt we take the best QB or the 2nd best ??? I think that the only ppl in the world that have Vince ranked higher than Lienart are ppl on this board...and nobody else...Leinart may not have a great deep arm...BUT will he ever be protected long enough for a deep route to develop???? If we are staying at 1 we have to take Reggie...If we trade down it shifts to Mario Williams or D'Brick...plain and simple...
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I am a member of the select Super Mario camp. That being said, I don't see Leinart and Palmer in the same light. Leinart really does not come across as partiuculalry mobile. He can move around but he isnt a mobile QB. Palmer on the other hand is mobile in the pocket. I think that Leinart has average arm strenghth but is very vey accurate. He would do best in a west coast offense.
 
The Texans already have a decent QB and RB. Although I think Cutler and Bush are the best availible players that doesn't mean the Texans should take them just because they're the best.

The greatest backs in the world can't do anything without the proper protection. And as we've seen with the Colts and Chiefs, the greatest offense won't win without an adequate defense.

I've been a Texans fan since their dawn, and their biggest problem by far is the offensive line. But they have other issues with their defensive (not just the line) as well, they need to fix alot of holes. One of them was the Coach.

I think the best move they could make would be to trade that first round pick. And I think the team willing to give the most, is Indianapolis. I'd be very surprised if they haven't discussed some kind of proposal aready. Being an Indy fan as well, I thought that a second and fourth round pick to swap firsts would suit both evenly. The Colts would probably even be willing to give more not only because they won't have a good RB but because they don't want to face a good RB, twice annually.
 
TheChad said:
The Texans already have a decent QB and RB. Although I think Cutler and Bush are the best availible players that doesn't mean the Texans should take them just because they're the best.

The greatest backs in the world can't do anything without the proper protection. And as we've seen with the Colts and Chiefs, the greatest offense won't win without an adequate defense.

I've been a Texans fan since their dawn, and their biggest problem by far is the offensive line. But they have other issues with their defensive (not just the line) as well, they need to fix alot of holes. One of them was the Coach.

I think the best move they could make would be to trade that first round pick. And I think the team willing to give the most, is Indianapolis. I'd be very surprised if they haven't discussed some kind of proposal aready. Being an Indy fan as well, I thought that a second and fourth round pick to swap firsts would suit both evenly. The Colts would probably even be willing to give more not only because they won't have a good RB but because they don't want to face a good RB, twice annually.
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A 2nd and a 4th round pick to drop from #1 to #30 in the draft? You must be nuts, that would be a horribly one-sided trade and does not do us any good to move down that far. #30 is practically the #33 pick so we lose out on the 30 best players in the draft and grab an extra guy in the neighborhood of where we already have our 2nd pick, just to gain a late 2nd and late 4th round pick? Absolutely won't happen, you clearly are a wishful Indy fan if you think we can get ripped off by a deal like this.
 
While we won't get that first overall, we don't really need that best player and we'll have trouble affording him. Getting lower drafted players that are still good can fill up more of our holes without draining our pockets as badly.
 
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