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Trades before Nov 2 Deadline

What trades would you want to see before the deadline to acquire more draft capital?

This might be unpopular but I’d see what the market for Z. Cunningham would be. For some reason he’s in the doghouse with this regime. He’s a pro bowler and would surely bring in a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I’d also see if I could trade L. Johnson. He’s having a great year and would bring in a high value pick. I think a contender would love to add him on the roster.
 

amazing80

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What trades would you want to see before the deadline to acquire more draft capital?

This might be unpopular but I’d see what the market for Z. Cunningham would be. For some reason he’s in the doghouse with this regime. He’s a pro bowler and would surely bring in a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I’d also see if I could trade L. Johnson. He’s having a great year and would bring in a high value pick. I think a contender would love to add him on the roster.
Watson, Ingram, Cooks, Cunningham, Reid, Johnson, Kyle, Culley, Bob the Janitor, Karen HR director, SteelBTexan
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
When I think of core players for this team its a short list…

Cooks and Tunsil on offense

Reid and Greenard on defense

These are players I want to see around if/when this team turns it around in the next 3-5 years or so.

That being said, Reid is in a contract year so I can see him being dealt. Cooks and Tunsil might still fetch a nice haul… but i’d prefer to keep them around.

Greenard is the only player on this team I see the team saying is off limits, being a year 2 player on a rookie contract with an ability to get after the QB.

Then there are the 1 year contract players i’d like to see back… Kirksey, KGH (though I think he has a 2 year deal), King… Would be interesting if Caserio flips some of these 1 year deal players for picks that would be higher than what they would get as a compensatory pick.

Cunningham’s contract is untradeable especially with his level of play currently.

The RBs are untradeable due to being old and ineffective. Would be nice if they could move one before the deadline to give Scottie Phillips an opportunity though.
 

KA4Texan

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Can we trade the Texans to Tennessee for the Titans?
I would rather not.

With all the shortages going on... not enough soap in the world to wash the inbred off the team upon its return.

Besides, would likely only do what the Texans did in their best years. Take the division but do very little beyond.

As for my picks to trade. Watson. That would imply potential hope for the futre.

Any players traded at this point is to pretend this season is salvageable by anything short of a miracle.
 
Watson of course.
I still don’t see us being able to land the haul the front office is saying they’re holding out for. Especially with the dolphins being the front runner since he’s already said he wouldn’t waive the no trade to Philly and I’m not sure Carolina would match what Miami would offer.
Outside of DW4: Cooks- I think it’s wishful thinking to get more than a 3rd though. Same with Lonnie Johnson and Justin Reid. Reid because of his free agent situation and Johnson because he’s only just now started to make an impact. I’d honestly be more willing to trade Reid than Johnson because there’s no way Reid resigns here anyway IMO.
Zach Cunningham could go too, idk why he’s in the doghouse but if they’re not gonna play him then get what you can for him. He could probably fetch a 3 or 4.
None of our RBs are helping any contender so you’re pretty much stuck with them.
I’d hate to trade Omenihu, especially because he’s still raw but very talented, but he’s another one that if they’re not gonna play him then they may as well move him.
I absolutely wouldn’t entertain a trade of Tunsil however. Especially if the plan is to draft a QB in the near future. I don’t want the young guy getting beat up on and ruined because the OLine can’t block anybody. They’re already playing T Howard out of position, so that becomes more important in keeping Tunsil.
I don’t think anybody else on this roster is gonna net you more than a 5 outside of Collins and Greenard, and I think you definitely hold on to those two.
 

steelbtexan

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Watson of course.
I still don’t see us being able to land the haul the front office is saying they’re holding out for. Especially with the dolphins being the front runner since he’s already said he wouldn’t waive the no trade to Philly and I’m not sure Carolina would match what Miami would offer.
Outside of DW4: Cooks- I think it’s wishful thinking to get more than a 3rd though. Same with Lonnie Johnson and Justin Reid. Reid because of his free agent situation and Johnson because he’s only just now started to make an impact. I’d honestly be more willing to trade Reid than Johnson because there’s no way Reid resigns here anyway IMO.
Zach Cunningham could go too, idk why he’s in the doghouse but if they’re not gonna play him then get what you can for him. He could probably fetch a 3 or 4.
None of our RBs are helping any contender so you’re pretty much stuck with them.
I’d hate to trade Omenihu, especially because he’s still raw but very talented, but he’s another one that if they’re not gonna play him then they may as well move him.
I absolutely wouldn’t entertain a trade of Tunsil however. Especially if the plan is to draft a QB in the near future. I don’t want the young guy getting beat up on and ruined because the OLine can’t block anybody. They’re already playing T Howard out of position, so that becomes more important in keeping Tunsil.
I don’t think anybody else on this roster is gonna net you more than a 5 outside of Collins and Greenard, and I think you definitely hold on to those two.
I trade Howard if possible, I dont know what you can get for him, maybe a 4th or 5th. The Texans need more OL like Tunsil not less, so I hang onto him. I'm thinking Heck will develop in a good RT. He's been fairly solid.
 
I trade Howard if possible, I dont know what you can get for him, maybe a 4th or 5th. The Texans need more OL like Tunsil not less, so I hang onto him. I'm thinking Heck will develop in a good RT. He's been fairly solid.
A pass protector who can't run block on a team that wants to feature the run game? Tunsil is a luxury on a very bad team. Remember he was brought in to protect the blindside of a franchise QB, which the Texans no longer feature. Let him go and gather your assets for better value. As far as pass protection, let the OC call plays that compensate for weaknesses. Nothing against Tunsil but if the reset button is being pushed, then Nike...
 

steelbtexan

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A pass protector who can't run block on a team that wants to feature the run game? Tunsil is a luxury on a very bad team. Remember he was brought in to protect the blindside of a franchise QB, which the Texans no longer feature. Let him go and gather your assets for better value. As far as pass protection, let the OC call plays that compensate for weaknesses. Nothing against Tunsil but if the reset button is being pushed, then Nike...
Regardless of who the QB is, he's going to need to be protected. If he's not you'll see more of what happened Sunday. You need more players like Tunsil not less. As far as draft capital goes if Derrick gets traded for anything near what this MB is saying he will be traded for there will be plenty of future draft capital.

I think some on this MB (Not you) want to see Tunsil traded because of the BOB factor and the fact that he represents a bad trade. Well, you dont make another bad trade because you made a bad trade to begin with.
 

KA4Texan

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Tunsil IMO is a call you make depending on the direction you plan to go in the off-season/draft

If you plan to go first round QB then you keep him. IF your focus is anywhere else you unload him.

If you don't invest heavy in your QB you dont need to invest as much in immediate protection.

If you invest heavy in your QB but dont give him the best chance to succeed, you are a fool.

I think you build around your vision. If you want to build around the run game better focus on run blockers. Build around the QB protect him at all cost..
but Im just a simple man that spends his time chasing a cat and wife around the apartment.
 
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Speedy

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Tunsil IMO is a call you make depending on the direction you plan to go in the off-season/draft

If you plan to go first round QB then you keep him. IF your focus is anywhere else you unload him.

If you don't invest heavy in your QB you dont need to invest as much in immediate protection.

If you invest heavy in your QB but dont give him the best chance to succeed, you are a fool.

I think you build around your vision. If you want to build around the run game better focus on run blockers. Build around the QB protect him at all cost..
but Im just a simple man that spends his time chasing a cat and wife around the apartment.
By the time that 1st round QB is ready to compete, Tunsil’s contract will be up and the enormous price this man has already cost, continues to skyrocket.

And honestly, what good does a good LT do you when the rest of the line is trash? There’s been plenty of wicked hits on the QB from the frontside and up the middle.

With the haul you get from Watson plus what you could get for Tunsil, you can reset that along with the rest of the team. And that needs to be rebuilt first before you get a QB anyway.

Not to mention there doesn’t appear to be a college QB really standing out this year.

Build the team so that needing a franchise QB isn’t a make or break you type deal. I mean, if you find one great, but you can win with Flacco, Goff and Garappolo types if you have a team built.
 

steelbtexan

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By the time that 1st round QB is ready to compete, Tunsil’s contract will be up and the enormous price this man has already cost, continues to skyrocket.

And honestly, what good does a good LT do you when the rest of the line is trash? There’s been plenty of wicked hits on the QB from the frontside and up the middle.

With the haul you get from Watson plus what you could get for Tunsil, you can reset that along with the rest of the team. And that needs to be rebuilt first before you get a QB anyway.

Not to mention there doesn’t appear to be a college QB really standing out this year.

Build the team so that needing a franchise QB isn’t a make or break you type deal. I mean, if you find one great, but you can win with Flacco, Goff and Garappolo types if you have a team built.
We're on the same page as far as the rebuild goes. As far as cost goes, having pro bowl level players costs money.

Yes the rest of the ol sucks minus Heck/Tunsil. It's my belief that this off-season you can add a couple of studs in the draft and the ol will look much better.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
By the time that 1st round QB is ready to compete, Tunsil’s contract will be up and the enormous price this man has already cost, continues to skyrocket.

And honestly, what good does a good LT do you when the rest of the line is trash? There’s been plenty of wicked hits on the QB from the frontside and up the middle.

With the haul you get from Watson plus what you could get for Tunsil, you can reset that along with the rest of the team. And that needs to be rebuilt first before you get a QB anyway.

Not to mention there doesn’t appear to be a college QB really standing out this year.

Build the team so that needing a franchise QB isn’t a make or break you type deal. I mean, if you find one great, but you can win with Flacco, Goff and Garappolo types if you have a team built.
All good and well and makes sense. However you're dealing with a mindset whose first major decision was to hire David Culley and his first draft pick was a QB with only 13 starts. His draft history is straight out of the book, "How NOT to Rebuild thru the Draft". The Watson haul will likely be known as the Nightmare on Kirby. Based on past history of draft performance, Caserio will likely blow that load in record time, instead of prudently maximizing the haul over a 3 years.

If done right, the Texans over 3 years would have a roster of 7 1st RDers, 5 2nd RDers and 3 3rd RDers, if not more. That would give them one of the youngest most talented teams in the league and not overload the salary cap in the process. This will not happen with the Kirby Boardroom Round Table running the show, this you can be sure.

And yes Arizona reeked havoc on the Texans OL by stunting UP THE MIDDLE ALL DAY LONG! Quinn Meinerz where are you?
 
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OptimisticTexan

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I was reading up on the top prospects in the upcoming 2022 NFL Draft. I was reading about Evan Neal (LT- Alabama) and the one thing that caught my eye immediately…..he’s rated as an “Elite” LT prospect b/c he excels at both pass and run blocking. The same was written about Trevor Penning (LT- Northern Iowa).

So, when I think about what OB gave up to get Tunsil and then paid to keep him…..one can only conclude that Tunsil was an “Elite LT” in OB’s eyes. Tunsil is exactly what I stated he was, a one-trick pony being treated and paid as an NFL Elite LT.

Caserio could trade Tunsil and better use the picks to select either Neal or Penning. I think either could become “Elite” while playing on their rookie contracts.
 

KA4Texan

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By the time that 1st round QB is ready to compete, Tunsil’s contract will be up and the enormous price this man has already cost, continues to skyrocket.

And honestly, what good does a good LT do you when the rest of the line is trash? There’s been plenty of wicked hits on the QB from the frontside and up the middle.

With the haul you get from Watson plus what you could get for Tunsil, you can reset that along with the rest of the team. And that needs to be rebuilt first before you get a QB anyway.

Not to mention there doesn’t appear to be a college QB really standing out this year.

Build the team so that needing a franchise QB isn’t a make or break you type deal. I mean, if you find one great, but you can win with Flacco, Goff and Garappolo types if you have a team built.
If no one stands out then there is no reason for them to go QB so whether Tunsil will be due a new sign or not is irrelevant because they would still have the option of targeting a starter through off season trade. I doubt they want to roll with Tyrod.

If thats the case they could use the first to beef up the line along with Tunsil.

I just think, unless you know which direction you want take pursuing QB or if you want to build around the run trading Tunsil may be a bit premature at this point.

Honestly, I don't care one way or another which path they take with Tunsil. I just want them to build the team they want and if they fail I want accountability. Too much to ask probably but my hope is we are done giving almost a decade of chances for mediocre returns.
 
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steelbtexan

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If no one stands out then there is no reason for them to go QB so whether Tunsil will be due a new sign or not is irrelevant because they would still have the option of targeting a starter through off season trade. I doubt they want to roll with Tyrod.

If thats the case they could use the first to beef up the line along with Tunsil.

I just think, unless you know which direction you want take pursuing QB or if you want to build around the run trading Tunsil may be a bit premature at this point.

Honestly, I don't care one way or another which path they take with Tunsil. I just want them to build the team they want and if they fail I want accountability. Too much to ask probably but my hope is we are done giving almost a decade of chances for mediocre returns.
Totally agree, If Stingley or Thibadeux are there and Thibadeaux can stay healthy all yr, they're the only guys I would pick ahead of Kenyon Green.

If you bring Green home and let him learn next yr at one of the OG spots and you still want to trade Tunsil, you're QB will be well protected. Green is a stud.
 

steelbtexan

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I was reading up on the top prospects in the upcoming 2022 NFL Draft. I was reading about Evan Neal (LT- Alabama) and the one thing that caught my eye immediately…..he’s rated as an “Elite” LT prospect b/c he excels at both pass and run blocking. The same was written about Trevor Penning (LT- Northern Iowa).

So, when I think about what OB gave up to get Tunsil and then paid to keep him…..one can only conclude that Tunsil was an “Elite LT” in OB’s eyes. Tunsil is exactly what I stated he was, a one-trick pony being treated and paid as an NFL Elite LT.

Caserio could trade Tunsil and better use the picks to select either Neal or Penning. I think either could become “Elite” while playing on their rookie contracts.
A 2 time pro bowler is pretty elite.
 

welsh texan

All Pro
So a 2 time pro bowl lt is the equivalent of Heck?
No I meant more that investing in a 2 time pro bowl LT isn’t worth it if your QB is a lefty and with a RT protecting the blindside. Idk if the Dolphins planned it that well, it certainly all looked very well planned until this season began, was looking like the modern blueprint to turning a franchise around.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
And when everyone (mostly) keeps regurgitating what they have posted in damn near every other thread, it becomes blah, blah, blah
blah blah blah same old crapolla Houston sucks The universe itself sucks Life sucks

I'm gonna have some flautas for lunch despite maybe having to drive in the rain to get there. And rain sucks. My coffee sucks cause it's cold.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
blah blah blah same old crapolla Houston sucks The universe itself sucks Life sucks

I'm gonna have some flautas for lunch despite maybe having to drive in the rain to get there. And rain sucks. My coffee sucks cause it's cold.
Atleast the rain will be done by lunch time.
I hope so. I am going to Chavez for lunch, they have the best flautas. The use a larger size corn tortilla for their flautas, so the flautas are huge. And you can get them with fajita beef. Best flautas in Houston.
Most interesting information.
 

Jack Burton

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I was reading up on the top prospects in the upcoming 2022 NFL Draft. I was reading about Evan Neal (LT- Alabama) and the one thing that caught my eye immediately…..he’s rated as an “Elite” LT prospect b/c he excels at both pass and run blocking. The same was written about Trevor Penning (LT- Northern Iowa).

So, when I think about what OB gave up to get Tunsil and then paid to keep him…..one can only conclude that Tunsil was an “Elite LT” in OB’s eyes. Tunsil is exactly what I stated he was, a one-trick pony being treated and paid as an NFL Elite LT.

Caserio could trade Tunsil and better use the picks to select either Neal or Penning. I think either could become “Elite” while playing on their rookie contracts.
I’m down with this at this point. I would even include Tunsil in the deal with the team trading for Watson if it can be done and they want him.
 

steelbtexan

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I hope so. I am going to Chavez for lunch, they have the best flautas. The use a larger size corn tortilla for their flautas, so the flautas are huge. And you can get them with fajita beef. Best flautas in Houston.
PM me the location of Chavez please.
 

sandman

Brexit Advisor
Regardless of RT or LT, you need to be able to block. Teams nowadays have 2 pass rushers. If you're weak on the oline at any position, guess where that pass rusher is going to line up?
Agreed. But in this league the blindside tackle is almost always (after their rookie deals) making substantially more money. If you overpay any line position, it is the LT (or RT if you have a franchise-level lefty QB). Combined with being poor in run blocking, I can see why Miami made that deal.
 

steelbtexan

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Regardless of RT or LT, you need to be able to block. Teams nowadays have 2 pass rushers. If you're weak on the oline at any position, guess where that pass rusher is going to line up?
That's why if they made the Watson trade with Miami, as bad as they need a CB/Pass rusher I would seriously consider picking Kenyon Green at 4 and Linderbaum at 24 (Mia. pick through S.F.) Maybe then with those 2 studs inside they could run the ball and protect the QB.

I would probably look to trade down at #4. But passing on Stingley/Hutchinson would be such a hard thing to do.
 

vtech9

Veteran
I was reading up on the top prospects in the upcoming 2022 NFL Draft. I was reading about Evan Neal (LT- Alabama) and the one thing that caught my eye immediately…..he’s rated as an “Elite” LT prospect b/c he excels at both pass and run blocking. The same was written about Trevor Penning (LT- Northern Iowa).

So, when I think about what OB gave up to get Tunsil and then paid to keep him…..one can only conclude that Tunsil was an “Elite LT” in OB’s eyes. Tunsil is exactly what I stated he was, a one-trick pony being treated and paid as an NFL Elite LT.

Caserio could trade Tunsil and better use the picks to select either Neal or Penning. I think either could become “Elite” while playing on their rookie contracts.
I haven't followed any of the OL in the draft, but if the 2 you mentioned are considered Elite, I'm all for trading Tunsil, and with our 1st round pick, take one of them. I'd even be ok with taking the other as well with the pick we get from the Tunsil trade. That would give us 2 potential elite LT's to work with to try and find the best starting LT, and develop the other into our backup LT / swing OT. Barring that, I'd focus on interior OL, DL and CB's
 

steelbtexan

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I haven't followed any of the OL in the draft, but if the 2 you mentioned are considered Elite, I'm all for trading Tunsil, and with our 1st round pick, take one of them. I'd even be ok with taking the other as well with the pick we get from the Tunsil trade. That would give us 2 potential elite LT's to work with to try and find the best starting LT, and develop the other into our backup LT / swing OT. Barring that, I'd focus on interior OL, DL and CB's
Tunsil has proven to be a pro bowl LT, anybody you draft, you're hoping they can become as good as Tunsil. Rather than drafting another OT or 2 I'm hoping Caserio spends 2 picks on the OG/C positions. I'm pretty happy with the OT play.

If you fix the interior OL positions you will get a chance to see how good Tunsil/Heck really are. Besides, if you hold onto Tunsil next yr you could always trade him at the 2022 deadline or before the 2023 draft. I'm sure Tunsil's trade value will still be very high then.

Agreed about the positions that need to be hit in the draft.
 

vtech9

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Tunsil has proven to be a pro bowl LT, anybody you draft, you're hoping they can become as good as Tunsil. Rather than drafting another OT or 2 I'm hoping Caserio spends 2 picks on the OG/C positions. I'm pretty happy with the OT play.

If you fix the interior OL positions you will get a chance to see how good Tunsil/Heck really are. Besides, if you hold onto Tunsil next yr you could always trade him at the 2022 deadline or before the 2023 draft. I'm sure Tunsil's trade value will still be very high then.

Agreed about the positions that need to be hit in the draft.
I'm not as sold on Tunsil as you are. With his salary, if we can get a good return on him, I'd go for it. I want to believe that we will get a great return for WD40, but TBH, I don't think we'll get anything for him. I think Tunsil is our only real chance of getting any good picks to rebuild the team.
 

steelbtexan

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I'm not as sold on Tunsil as you are. With his salary, if we can get a good return on him, I'd go for it. I want to believe that we will get a great return for WD40, but TBH, I don't think we'll get anything for him. I think Tunsil is our only real chance of getting any good picks to rebuild the team.
If a Derrick trade cant be made then I would consider trading Tunsil.

With how bad the OL has looked I want to hang onto the best OL the Texans have and by his pro bowl status one of the best in the NFL. Like I said, trading him isn't limited to this offseason, this is going to be a 3 yr rebuild (Atleast) You could trade him at the 2022 deadline or the 2023offseason and still get maximum value for him. It's not like you're going to need the cap space next yr.
 

leebigeztx

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Tunsil has proven to be a pro bowl LT, anybody you draft, you're hoping they can become as good as Tunsil. Rather than drafting another OT or 2 I'm hoping Caserio spends 2 picks on the OG/C positions. I'm pretty happy with the OT play.

If you fix the interior OL positions you will get a chance to see how good Tunsil/Heck really are. Besides, if you hold onto Tunsil next yr you could always trade him at the 2022 deadline or before the 2023 draft. I'm sure Tunsil's trade value will still be very high then.

Agreed about the positions that need to be hit in the draft.
I agree, but I think the bigger issue coaching and scheme. This Kelly/OB offensive philosophy isn't working with these players. I believe Campen know what to do, but the offensive scheme being paired together with the run game is a must. You're run action should look like your pass action. Under Kelly/OB they have easy tells when they're doing one or the other.
 

powda

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If it’s better than a 6th then the Saints got hosed. If it is a 6th or 7th, Caserio will burn that on a future cut player in no time.
As of 9-10 they had no 6th rd pick (forfeited.)
 

steelbtexan

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I agree, but I think the bigger issue coaching and scheme. This Kelly/OB offensive philosophy isn't working with these players. I believe Campen know what to do, but the offensive scheme being paired together with the run game is a must. You're run action should look like your pass action. Under Kelly/OB they have easy tells when they're doing one or the other.
After using many high picks and trades, plus 2 different OL coaches, I'm beginning to believe alot of the issues have to do with scheme. Although Howard and Scharping in particular have been really disappointing.
 


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