Trade Hopkins and 2nd rounder for Jimmy G

[Mollywhopper]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-absolutely-knows-bill-belichick-could-trade-him-one-day/

I don't read that like Brady really believes he could just get traded so easily as much as his showing reverence for the process, for The Patriot Way.

More him trying to dampen the waves with people somewhat up in arms after the Collins deal. He's being a great leader and the best right hand man his HC could possibly have.

 

[Texecutioner]

Good question....
Will Belichick cut his good luck charm (Brady) loose or try and get something for Garappolo before his contract runs out at the end of 2017? Before you say
"he'll never let Brady go" remember Belichick would rather cut you a year too soon than a year too late. And not even Brady is bigger than "the good of the team". Even Peyton Manning and Joe Montana got cut loose. So no one is absolutely untouchable.
and if Belichick decides to deal Garappolo instead of letting a 40-something Brady go, that makes me wonder how good Garappolo might be.

Either way, that'll be interesting to watch.

Hard to say, but I don't think that Bill trades Garropallo until the off season if he trades him at all. He'll want to trade him somewhere in the NFC most likely to a bad team. I think he'll wait to see how good BRady looks by the end of the season and will make sure Brady doesn't get injured. If Brady is fine, then he'll have a tough decision to make. Does he keep the GOAT or gamble with the young guy who may be good, but you have no idea how he'll perform in the playoffs. Thats the thing about Brady. You know he can do next to impossible things in the playoffs if need be. Can Jimmy G be a good QB that reaches that type of level? He'll never know until Jimmy G is in those situations.

I don't think that BB would be afraid to let go of Brady at all though. That guy is like a total robot, and him and Brady are not nearly as close as people like to believe. I have a feeling that NE holds onto Garrapalo and ends up letting Brady go at the end of 2017. Just my prediction as of now. I hope I'm wrong, and they get strong value for him in the off season.

 

[JB]

I don't read that like Brady really believes he could just get traded so easily as much as his showing reverence for the process, for The Patriot Way.

More him trying to dampen the waves with people somewhat up in arms after the Collins deal. He's being a great leader and the best right hand man his HC could possibly have.

yeah seems kinda boilerplate stuff to me also. Saying what he should.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Brady got traded the year before he hung it up...

And then signed a 1 day contract to retire as a Pat

 

[Texecutioner]

More than anything I think Brady would just call it a career before ever making Bill make that decision. He's been so balls to the wall about this game for so long now, and he's such a seemingly self-aware guy, that he may just decide one day that he's given all someone can to be great for himself and a franchise and ultimately just have the counterintuitive sense to simply be able to turn it off and make it easy for his HC.

Agreed 100% though, it'll be incredibly interesting to watch.

That all depends on whether or not if they're in a situation where BB has to decide if they want to resign Jimmy or keep Brady after 2017. They'll have to be wondering when that big hit is going to take Brady out for an entire season where he'll be rehabbing in his 40's age wise. Will they let go of Jimmy G to FA so he could potentially sign with one of their rivals or some other team where he plays amazing for years and they are kicking themselves? Even if BRady is playing lights out, when will that big hit come? Essentially BB would have to decide to hold onto Brady for another season or two at most, and potentially watch Jimmy tear up the league for the next 12 years. If the Pats still have Jimmy after this season, I think BB resigns Jimmy, because if they had kept him then passed up on trading him and getting any value for him.

 

[JB]

Interesting to note that BB has never (with the Patriots) gone 3 drafts without drafting a QB

 

[Texecutioner]

Dez is also known for putting up multiple 88+ rec/1200+ yard/12+ TD seasons. Lulz though, man!

Romo's played consistently well for many years, like I said. He hasn't had great postseason success, sure. Guess you'd think Marino and B. Sanders wouldn't count either then.

You just compared Marino and Sanders to Romo and Dez Bryant? Lol! Just stop already. That is disrespectful to NFL legends especially when you're talking about a guy who is more known for a dropped pass in a playoff game and all his missed meetings and disciplinary problems with his team than being a great player.

And as I knew you wouldn't begin to see things any other way

After you just made the comparison above, I had no business thinking otherwise.

 

[Mollywhopper]

You just compared Marino and Sanders to Romo and Dez Bryant? Lol! Just stop already. That is disrespectful to NFL legends especially when you're talking about a guy who is more known for a dropped pass in a playoff game and all his missed meetings and disciplinary problems with his team than being a great player.

After you just made the comparison above, I had no business thinking otherwise.

I was merely making the point that a guy (Romo) could've experienced long-term success in the league without having gotten it done in the playoffs.

 

[steelbtexan]

Man, I wish that Rick had just drafted Jimmy G rather than the bust known as XSF.

 

[Texecutioner]

Man, I wish that Rick had just drafted Jimmy G rather than the bust known as XSF.

Well Rick could have also tried to trade for him last off season instead of gunning down Oz in the middle of the night and kidnapping him out of Denver. We could have offered our #1 and a #3. If Texans fans saw that this past off season, the rage of Houston fans would have been at a 10 for sure. All they would have cared about was that he was another backup from NE and would have cried religiously about it.

 

[maverick512000]

Double post.

 

[maverick512000]

I don't see BB cutting Brady, I see more Brady retiring when they have to make a change and then enjoying being a NE hero for the rest of his life. Yes anyone can be cut but I can't remember the last time a QB was willing to redo his contract so many times just to insure he stayed on the same team.

I think a lot of that is Brady has always had a chip on his shoulder and IMO it's because he went so late in the draft. He had something to prove his entire career and it's made him the QB he is. To me it's also loyalty to the Pats, they took a chance on him when no one would and he's played there his entire career so he wants to retire there.

Really who could blame him, there is absolutely nothing left for him to achieve in football and he's already a first round HoFer. And even discounting that he can do endorsements for the next 20 years and be set for life, as if he wasn't already, his wife pulls down a nice chunk of change herself.

Yeah Brady will retire a Pat, I just don't see him pulling a Favre and pissing off his home town of two decades to chase one last ring.

 

[dream_team]

Man, I wish that Rick had just drafted Jimmy G rather than the bust known as XSF.

IMO, QB selection should strictly be on the shoulders of the head coach. I'm a believer that a QB will only have a chance at succeeding if he was chosen by the HC. So with saying that, I think it was BOB that wasn't that high on Jimmy.

Now if BOB told Rick, "Get me that Jimmy guy!" And Rick responded with, "Sure, but 2nd is too early. He'll be there in the 3rd." Then yes, that's Rick fault.

But I doubt that's how it went down since Jimmy was rated by most as a late 1st rounder - 2nd rounder.

 

[ObsiWan]

Tony Dungy didn't cut Manning loose. And Bill Walsh didn't cut Montana loose.

No they didn't. Actually both coaches were gone when Manning and Montana were let go. It was a GM call in both cases.
And Belichick IS the GM in Foxborough. Its's going to be his call on whether it's Brady or Garappolo who hits the street.

And Belichick has never had to decide on whether he should cut Brady a year early or late yet. Really is a whole different scenario.This ain't jettisoning some decent LG or even a pro-bowl LB like Jamie Collins. These two share probably the rarest combination of longevity and success in the history of the sport.

More than anything I think Brady would just call it a career before ever making Bill make that decision. He's been so balls to the wall about this game for so long now, and he's such a seemingly self-aware guy, that he may just decide one day that he's given all someone can to be great for himself and a franchise and ultimately just have the counterintuitive sense to simply be able to turn it off and make it easy for his HC.

Agreed 100% though, it'll be incredibly interesting to watch.

Well Brady knows one day the marriage can end and not necessarily on his terms.

Tom Brady was discussing Jamie Collins’ shocking trade this morning when the 39-year-old quarterback was asked if he has ever thought about the possibility that he could share the same fate.

“Yeah, absolutely,” Brady said. “You can’t be around this long and not realize that the world will keep spinning and the sun will come up tomorrow without you. That’s just the way it goes. I think you enjoy the experiences that you have and also understand it just keeps going on. It could happen to anybody. You just have to show up to work, do the best you can do every day and let your performance just try to speak for itself.”

LINK

So TB12 knows he isn't above "the good of the team" when it comes to being dealt.

 

[ObsiWan]

Will never happen.

Which one?
Two possibilities discussed in that post.
Cut Brady (under contract thru 2019 @ $22 mil the last two yrs) and go with Garappolo (Is Jimmy G really ready??)
OR
Trade Garappolo and ride with Brady and not have a groomed backup (unless you believe Jacoby Brissett is that guy).

 

[Mollywhopper]

No they didn't. Actually both coaches were gone when Manning and Montana were let go. It was a GM call in both cases.
And Belichick IS the GM in Foxborough. Its's going to be his call on whether it's Brady or Garappolo who hits the street.

Well Brady knows one day the marriage can end and not necessarily on his terms.
LINK

So TB12 knows he isn't above "the good of the team" when it comes to being dealt.

- My point was Manning and Montana getting cut/traded wasn't like the Brady/Belichick situation now. Just not comparable.

- Yes Brady knows the marriage will end one day. Doesn't mean it has to end with his getting pushed out the door.

- And I commented on that quote from Brady a few posts ago already. He's being the best lieutenant he can be.

 

[Texecutioner]

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Really who could blame him, there is absolutely nothing left for him to achieve in football and he's already a first round HoFer. And even discounting that he can do endorsements for the next 20 years and be set for life, as if he wasn't already, his wife pulls down a nice chunk of change herself.

He loves playing and everything that goes into it. He doesn't play for a pay check where he is still hanging on to get a big salary. He is invested in to becoming the unquestioned best QB of all time. That's actually very important to him. He doesn't want it to even be a debate.

 

[Texecutioner]

- My point was Manning and Montana getting cut/traded wasn't like the Brady/Belichick situation now. Just not comparable.

- Yes Brady knows the marriage will end one day. Doesn't mean it has to end with his getting pushed out the door.

- And I commented on that quote from Brady a few posts ago already. He's being the best lieutenant he can be.

But that all depends on what the Pats want to do here. You have to understand that the Pats are in a real tough position here and that all hinges on how good and how reliable health wise BB thinks that Garrapolo will be. Garrapolo already got hurt in his 2nd game or whatever. Brady has only been injured once in his entire career. If he isn't hit on that play that dirty player that the Texans used to have then Brady likely breaks Favre's consecutive games record. That has to be something to consider even though Brady is more likely to get hurt given his age. But the Pats have to decide in this off season if they want to keep Jimmy or not, because if they don't trade him he either walks after next year or they resign him, and have to let Brady go. They can't pay both of those guys. So if they keep Jimmy after this off season and don't trade him, then I think 2017 is Brady's last season as a Pat, because I think there is no way that BB holds onto Jimmy and doesn't get value for him in a trade instead of just having him one more year where he lets him walk. Otherwise they would have done that with COllins this season, because they let him go for pretty little value.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I can see Brady retiring this year if they win the championship and ride off into the sunset flicking off everyone. Pretty romantic if you ask me. (this coming from a guy who said Brady was done early last year)

 

[Texecutioner]

I can see Brady retiring this year if they win the championship and ride off into the sunset flicking off everyone. Pretty romantic if you ask me. (this coming from a guy who said Brady was done early last year)

You know I haven't forgotten about that.

You eventually made fun of yourself for that one at least.

I wouldn't mind seeing him do that, but I think he wants to keep playing for 5 years if he can. I don't think he can, but he might. I give him this year and next year, and by that time I think some major injury kills his career.

 

[Carr Bombed]

He's already on record saying he wants to play into his 40's.. he isn't going to retire even if he does win a Superbowl... Winning a Superbowl will just make him want to win another one.. The guy's drive to win is insane and that's what makes him great, his wife must hate football season.

 

[Texecutioner]

He's already on record saying he wants to play into his 40's.. he isn't going to retire even if he does win a Superbowl... Winning a Superbowl will just make him want to win another one.. The guy's drive to win is insane and that's what makes him great, his wife must hate football season.

PRetty much this ^^^

You know him and his wife nearly got divorced last season and off season when Tom was first battling the NFL in court where he won the first go round. It put a ton of stress on their marriage, and I could imagine that Tom became a difficult person to be married to with his obsession to be the best at football, but also to clear his name and punishment that the NFL was trying to give him. The guy must have been stressed to the gills. I'm sure she is ready for him to retire.